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Sauerkraut
25-12-2021, 06:51 PM
Clearing out my Drive, I found the following sent to Police Scotland on 20 Dec 2016, exactly 7 months after 21/05. :flag:

Just wondered if anyone has any comment before its binned. Needless to say, no reply, but I must say, the waste of resource did seem to slow up after this...coincidence I'm sure.


The Scottish Cup Final Pitch Investigation

Today I read via online Press that Police are continuing to release images of people they wish to talk to in respect of misbehaviour at the match on May 21st. ‘Detectives are investigating’ and quite rightly so, acts of violence, disorder and vandalism. I pay my national and local taxes precisely to have the Police carry out such activity. Take it from me, I am ‘on your side’.

Except not exactly so. I also have a reasonable expectation that Police Scotland might conduct their enquiries in a prompt and appropriate manner. Drip-feeding grainy mugshots to a lazy Press over a period of 7 months only serves to elongate the process and delay justice. It perpetuates further suspicion and mistrust between (that day’s) opposing factions, and reinforces to a wider audience the media-inspired notion that we were witnessing a full-blown riot, which is absolute tosh. It may even, I have no evidence, give scope for mischief-making via false identification by those with a grievance.

I stayed in my seat, but I was perfectly positioned to witness 5,000 Hibs supporters of both sexes and all ages take to the pitch, nearly all via opened security gates. They were deliriously happy, carried no weapons, and clearly just felt the need to celebrate being ‘there’.

A bad element from both clubs then went too far, and the violent ones should have been identified and dealt with by now. Full stop. A further (Hibs) element were responsible for wrecking the goals and digging up the playing surface. Lamentable, wrong, stupid, thoughtless, but not the Poll Tax Riots or anything like it, so their actions should be viewed and dealt with in some different context.

Police Scotland’s determination to keep this in the public eye smacks of petty defensiveness. We have all heard rumours (yes, very persistent ones) of large-scale Police re-deployments towards south-west Glasgow long before the match had ended. Whether the rumours are true or not, the absence of Policing at the final whistle was extremely obvious. Leaving poorly paid and trained security staff to deal with the potential for invasion was, at best, a huge misjudgement. The suspicion has to be that the score (at 75 or 80 minutes) was the deciding factor for the decision-maker. That may beg another question but I won’t go there.

People, including Police Commanders, make mistakes. One way of maintaining public trust is to confront those mistakes head-on and NOT to make diversionary responses or to over-react. I will mention Hillsborough and Orgreave, but will contrast those with Trafalgar Square or Tottenham. The nature, scale and malevolence of the disturbances in the latter cases were clear to the wider public, and the Police response during and after was robustly supported. Hampden Park on 21st May was not such an occasion. The investigation into the worst offenders should have happened swiftly and (by now) have been a thing of the past.

Perhaps, rather than looking at still more mugshots (and a number may be innocent of any wrongdoing) you should be taking a step back and having a look at yourself. This Policing by a series of context-less media-shots does not make for a particularly pretty image.

I do hope that you have a safe and thriving New Year.

Yours faithfully

(Sauerkraut)

Pedantic_Hibee
25-12-2021, 08:34 PM
I’m still waiting for Keith Jackson’s apology. Absolute fud of a man.

SlickShoes
26-12-2021, 12:21 AM
The pitch invasion will long be remembered, the violence won’t, nor would the players parading the cup to polite applause.

Unfortunate that some people are idiots but the blame for the whole thing lies with the police who were nowhere to be seen for the most obvious pitch invasion conditions in my life anyway, it was so obvious it was going to happen a blind man could have seen it.

Bostonhibby
26-12-2021, 08:09 AM
The pitch invasion will long be remembered, the violence won’t, nor would the players parading the cup to polite applause.

Unfortunate that some people are idiots but the blame for the whole thing lies with the police who were nowhere to be seen for the most obvious pitch invasion conditions in my life anyway, it was so obvious it was going to happen a blind man could have seen it.These are the same plod who couldn't find an elephant in a phone box, especially if it was painted red white and blue. They were on the way to the party at Ibrox at the time.

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hibbytam
26-12-2021, 08:59 AM
I’m still waiting for Keith Jackson’s apology. Absolute fud of a man.

And Chick Young, with his belt wielding hibs fan hitting all the rangers players, which was somehow missed by all the cameras, and everyone else.

JimBHibees
26-12-2021, 09:00 AM
These are the same plod who couldn't find an elephant in a phone box, especially if it was painted red white and blue. They were on the way to the party at Ibrox at the time.

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Was that ever confirmed to be the case? What was clear was the absolute whitewash reporting of the police/stewarding that day was laughable. It frankly was nowhere near good enough in what was an invasion that could have easily been predicted and also stopped with a few more police and stewards within the ground.

Mick O'Rourke
26-12-2021, 09:47 AM
...The Zombies were given guards of honour as the marched the streets of Glasgow this year celebrating in spite of some covid restrictions being in place.

George Square in the centre of Glasgow had its public benches smashed to bits.

Puddles of urine all round the square ,in shop and office doorways.
Litter including beer bottles/cans, spirit and wine bottles scattered all round the square.

Lots of broken glass mixed in with the vomit and piss.
Public drunkendess, causing danger and fear to innocents passing by to get home.
Drunken zombies fighting with each other.
The list is endless.
Oh,yes they also fought with police ,throwing traffic barriers/cones /advert boards and other missiles.
I grant some zombies have been arrested and charged.

However ,what went on at Hampden pales compared to the riots in George Square .
Police Scotland were later embarrassed by their actions at Hampden,having made the decision to send many officers away from the ground.
Witnesses stated at the time and provided video evidence of loads of police vans leaving Hampden and presumably on way to Govan.
When they about turned on hearing the final score and the following exuberance,raging zombies deliberately slowed them going back through the hordes.

Whilst that was happening, and the cops being short handed,the zombies still at the ground were climbing over trackside to attack celebrating Hibs fans.


Police Scotland were raging at being caught out at Hampden.

I dare say that Holyrood had something to say to police chiefs about it all.

Then came the witch-hunt by the Glasgow based lying press,TV/ media.

Hibs fans had to pay for Police Scotland's failings and ineptitude that day.





PS
The only time i got a break from a cop at a game was Wembley 1977.
Me and ma brother John got caught sneaking in
Well,John had a ticket and i doubled up in the turnstile,caught by PC plod.

Cop told us to stand against a wall just inside the turnstile area.
Anyway asked for names/id.
Saw the surname and asked where we were from and if we knew or related to Jimmy O'Rourke.
Turned out the cop (from Peebles iirc)was on St Johnstone's books when Jimmy played for them !

Small world,indeed.
Tens of thousands of London cops and we get pulled by this cop .
He let us in when his sergeant was distracted and busy .

Oh and guess what? .....we all went on the pitch to celebrate a famous victory.

No arrests!....

Bostonhibby
26-12-2021, 10:04 AM
Was that ever confirmed to be the case? What was clear was the absolute whitewash reporting of the police/stewarding that day was laughable. It frankly was nowhere near good enough in what was an invasion that could have easily been predicted and also stopped with a few more police and stewards within the ground.Plod Glasgow doing what it does best, misreading a situation, scrambling about to deflect as best they could and generally being p'd off that the party they were policing at Ibrox got hibbied on-set their subservient, occasionally celebratory management of the huns illegal parade when they won their first title.

Top police work capturing random jubilant fans, they even caught a few of the aggressors who were on the pitch from the losing side.

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Argylehibby
26-12-2021, 10:07 AM
STV’s Raman Bhardwaj penned Rod Petrie in an interview under the Hampden stands trying desperately to get him to condemn Hibs fans for the trouble. No similar interview of anyone connected with the losers took place. Roll on to 2021 and he has an interview with Steven Gerard and asks one question about The Rangers fans behaviour and meekly accepts the excuse that they “had been through a lot” since they last won the league 10 years ago.

Like almost every journalist (and I use the term lightly) when the independent report came out he overlooked the parts which were against the “all Hibs fans fault” narrative that he had been spouting since the game. The most telling point in the report being that it listed I think 5 previous incidents of a similar nature and on each occasion Rangers had lost.

The media reported what Rangers told them to report without question or challenge.

Jim44
26-12-2021, 10:19 AM
I was was furious at the report by the Sunday Mail hack, G Milne (IIRC). He wrote, in quotes, “ I stood on the sidelines and witnessed Hibs supporters violently and repeatedly kicking the head of a Rangers player as he lay defenceless on the ground.”

Bostonhibby
26-12-2021, 10:19 AM
They're a joyless lot are the huns, nearly everything they sing about is hate perceived triumphalism and religion, exuberance is not on their radar, plod couldn't comprehend something that was easily planned for as they seemed to think the same way on the day.

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Killiehibbie
26-12-2021, 10:23 AM
I was was furious at the report by the Sunday Mail hack, G Milne (IIRC). He wrote, in quotes, “ I stood on the sidelines and witnessed Hibs supporters violently and repeatedly kicking the head of a Rangers player as he lay defenceless on the ground.”

He's since kicked his LSD habit.

The 90+2
26-12-2021, 10:42 AM
How did they all get away without apologising?

hibbydog
26-12-2021, 10:49 AM
Im actually glad the pitch invasion took place. It added another element to a great occasion.

Yes, the elements of violence and vandalism were despicable and I wish they didn’t happen.

But the seethe from The Rangers, their statements, The whole ‘toys out of the pram’ approach from them and their media pals. It was hilarious and exposed them for what they really are.

And it tacitly proves the most important point of the whole thing:

THEY WERE 2-1 UP IN THE SCOTTISH CUP FINAL WITH 10 MINUTES TO GO AND WE BEAT THEM WITH A LAST MINUTE WINNER.

And they are raging about it.

Sweetest victory ever. They’ll never take that away from us. Glorious stuff.

Bostonhibby
26-12-2021, 11:19 AM
Sevconian huns[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Love a cup tie against the mighty Hibees.



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Northernhibee
26-12-2021, 11:25 AM
I think we showed up the motives of quite a few people that day.

Bostonhibby
26-12-2021, 12:25 PM
I think we showed up the motives of quite a few people that day.Purple faced "head" of security was sat not far from us, had to be a hun[emoji23][emoji23]

F ing glorious.

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