RG "Hibs At a Crossroads"

[WhileTheChief..]

There was a short interview with RG before the game where he talked about today closing a chapter and opening a new one.

He didn't really expand on it, saying he would talk more when we announce the new manager.

Do we think he his talking simply about JR out / new guy in? Or is there maybe more to it?

Anyone that heard it got any thoughts? It got me hoping for some sort of good news to come.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59665342

[Nicho87]

Not quite sure what that meant to be honest

[CL0762]

He needs to get his finger out. Bordering on negligence forcing a recently retired ex player to take charge of a national cup final.

[MWHIBBIES]

He's made a real **** of it last 6 months. Gone from 3rd to having no manager for a bloody cup final.

Better get this appointment right

[The Captain....]

Hopefully the actions will start to match the big talk.

The empty stands show what the fans think atm.

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[loanheadhibby]

He's made a real **** of it last 6 months. Gone from 3rd to having no manager for a bloody cup final.

Better get this appointment right
No guarantees of course but fingers crossed.

[Unseen work]

He's made a real **** of it last 6 months. Gone from 3rd to having no manager for a bloody cup final.

Better get this appointment right

How is it his fault?

Recruitment was shocking so he sacked the man in charge in Mathie.

Results in the league were brutal so he sacked the man in charge in Ross.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Been disappointed with RG and the Hibs board this season.

Seems to be a lack of direction and leadership off the park.

I think Ross had his faults but I think collectively they’ve built a poor squad. Jack Ross and Mathie were thrown under the bus when they were all to blame.

[madhatter]

Think we will have more announcements in the next 6 months. Beyond the new manager stuff we are all focusing on. Just think this is building towards something. Hopefully something positive...

[Heisenberg]

He's made a real **** of it last 6 months. Gone from 3rd to having no manager for a bloody cup final.

Better get this appointment right

Not as much as those in charge of actually building the squad. It’s a mess.

[Jim44]

I’ve gone from being excited and encouraged by RG’s takeover to now being a bit ‘meh’ and indifferent. Hope I’m wrong but wait for the expected upturn in our fortunes before shooting me down in flames. :greengrin

[madhatter]

He's made a real **** of it last 6 months. Gone from 3rd to having no manager for a bloody cup final.

Better get this appointment right

He's backed the manager and recruitment team but they've used it incorrectly.

Even with a fully fit squad I struggle to name a single midfielder that can have a consistent impact at both ends of the field. Magennis is only one but not consistent as has injury problems.

We've built a slow ponderous team, that isn't Ron Gordon's fault.

[MWHIBBIES]

How is it his fault?

Recruitment was shocking so he sacked the man in charge in Mathie.

Results in the league were brutal so he sacked the man in charge in Ross.

Thats absolutely fine. Mathie had one awful window. Ron's son, our new head of recruitment will get January now. If he has an awful window, he should also be binned.

Ross wasn't given time to turn it around, again absolutely fine. Maloney shouldn't be given time either. Get it right or go. You can't sack a proven manager instead of giving him time and then back the rookie through a rough patch.

Sacking Ross with clearly no plan to replace him quickly leaving us with an interim for a ****ing final, and sacking HoR and replacing with his son are major red flags to me. Hibs simply should not be at a ****ing crossroads 6 months after finishing 3rd and getting to a sc final. We should be pushing on.

[WhileTheChief..]

I’ve gone from being excited and encouraged by RG’s takeover to now being a bit ‘meh’ and indifferent. Hope I’m wrong but wait for the expected upturn in our fortunes before shooting me down in flames. :greengrin

That's where I am too. The early buzz is a distant memory and not much has really changed since he took over.

[The 90+2]

Words from the owner that probably means f-all at all.

We are at a crossroads right now, why Ron?

"A new beginning starts tomorrow" from the boy that gave Jack Ross a new 4 year deal a few months back.

Making up as goes along springs to mind.

[The 90+2]

That's where I am too. The early buzz is a distant memory and not much has really changed since he took over.


Lots of people have left, lots of promises have been made of why and how the next people coming in will improve things and we've got big screens and a vegan kiosk. :agree:

[CL0762]

That's where I am too. The early buzz is a distant memory and not much has really changed since he took over.

Fancy screens and a new sound system in the east though!

Load of *****. He needs to ‘pony up’ now, sick of backing this club to the holt and getting shat on like we did today.

For once, we, the support, the ones who put our hard earned in last season especially, deserve something back.

[Inconsequential]

He's made a real **** of it last 6 months. Gone from 3rd to having no manager for a bloody cup final.

Better get this appointment right Quite! Backed his manager with a new contract then fires him with with a cup final looming. Next, appoints one of the former manager's coaches as interim manager. Very odd manoeuvres. I hope he knows what he's doing. All will be revealed in time and hopefully we can look back and laugh! Doubtful at the mo.

[The 90+2]

He's backed the manager and recruitment team but they've used it incorrectly.

Even with a fully fit squad I struggle to name a single midfielder that can have a consistent impact at both ends of the field. Magennis is only one but not consistent as has injury problems.

We've built a slow ponderous team, that isn't Ron Gordon's fault.

What evidence was there of this happening in the summer?

All we heard was how bids about to come for Porto Doig and Nisbet. We signed Doyle-Hayes and made Murphy perm that was in place. Apart from that we brought in crap. The manager wasn't backed at all in fact.

[Just_Jimmy]

He's all talk and no substance so far.

I'm less than impressed.

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[The Modfather]

Thats absolutely fine. Mathie had one awful window. Ron's son, our new head of recruitment will get January now. If he has an awful window, he should also be binned.

Ross wasn't given time to turn it around, again absolutely fine. Maloney shouldn't be given time either. Get it right or go. You can't sack a proven manager instead of giving him time and then back the rookie through a rough patch.

Sacking Ross with clearly no plan to replace him quickly leaving us with an interim for a ****ing final, and sacking HoR and replacing with his son are major red flags to me. Hibs simply should not be at a ****ing crossroads 6 months after finishing 3rd and getting to a sc final. We should be pushing on.

Ross was given reasonable time to turn it round. There might have been an argument for giving him more time but I think it’s untrue to say he wasn’t given time to turn the decline around.

We look set to announce Maloney tomorrow. That’s 11 days after Ross was sacked. Is an appointment in comfortably under two weeks unreasonable? It would probably have been announced sooner if we didn’t have the unusual circumstance of a cup final being the new man’s first game in charge.

The other side of the coin is that 6 months after finishing 3rd and a Scottish cup final there must be something wrong if a large percentage of the fan base are disengaged and not attending games.

[madhatter]

What evidence was there of this happening in the summer?

All we heard was how bids about to come for Porto Doig and Nisbet. We signed Doyle-Hayes and made Murphy perm that was in place. Apart from that we brought in crap. The manager wasn't backed at all in fact.

He was in previous windows. Jack Ross has been one of the best backed managers in my lifetime supporting Hibs. Hibs have spent money on transfer fees during Covid. I've seen Hibs managers come and go and had to work based on free transfers.

Summer window was a disaster and I think Mathie leaving shows club weren't happy. I suspect Mathie has been used as a bit of a fall guy. Whether that was due to Jack Ross' persistent desire to get Scottish players or Ron Gordon being tight time will tell. Let's see what he does with new manager. He can't blame the people he's emptied. He's taken a brave move, he's drawn all eyes onto him. He needs to deliver now.

[Scorrie]

We’ve got big screens though…

[McD]

I can’t say I’m a huge fan or even made my mind up either way, but can’t blame RG for:

- dire football
- playing 2 defensive midfielders against every team
- not playing enough attacking players until forced to (see Allan, Murphy, Gullan)
- not having a game plan apart from ‘give the ball the boyle’
- outside of doig, no young players have been given a decent run in the team (Campbell is in his 20s, and feels more like desperation on JRs perspective), whilst at the same time has publicly complained about fixture congestion, followed by zero squad rotation at all. Surely a couple of these young boys could have been on the bench or got the odd start, it’s not like the current incumbents have been doing anything of note


Managers get an easy ride at times these days - always get a fair stretch of time with ‘it’s not his team/players, need to let him get his own squad’. Surely it’s his job to improve the players (and tactics) he has to a point? Has any of our first team improved under his stewardship?

[hfcok]

He’s right, let’s hope he takes the proper road at the crossing🤔.

[Hibiza]

Let's start at the basics . Pie & Bovril should be £3. Team will be the usual shandy.

[Jim44]

RG has got a potentially decent manager, a winter transfer window and a full summer window to walk the walk he has alluded to. If we continue to drift, he can cut his losses and bail out anytime as far as I am concerned.

[bingo70]

RG has got a potentially decent manager, a winter transfer window and a full summer window to walk the walk he has alluded to. If we continue to drift, he can cut his losses and bail out anytime as far as I am concerned.

Surely continuing tk drift is the one thing he can’t be accused of.

In his one full season he backed the manager to sign Nisbet when nobody else was spending money, second season we held on to our biggest assets. As soon as the performances haven’t been good enough he’s acted instantly.

As for the cheap digs about having big screens, they’re an investment that will add to the clubs income which can only be a good thing.

He’s also done all this during a pandemic when a lot of owners would have allowed us to drift or worse.

Really don’t get the negative attitude towards him on this thread, I suspect people won’t admit it but subconsciously it’s because he’s foreign. That doesn’t sit right with me at all.

He’s been great for us so far and long may it continue.

[The 90+2]

He was in previous windows. Jack Ross has been one of the best backed managers in my lifetime supporting Hibs. Hibs have spent money on transfer fees during Covid. I've seen Hibs managers come and go and had to work based on free transfers.

Summer window was a disaster and I think Mathie leaving shows club weren't happy. I suspect Mathie has been used as a bit of a fall guy. Whether that was due to Jack Ross' persistent desire to get Scottish players or Ron Gordon being tight time will tell. Let's see what he does with new manager. He can't blame the people he's emptied. He's taken a brave move, he's drawn all eyes onto him. He needs to deliver now.


Managers need backed in every window to help the club progress. We didn't and the team has regressed. It cost him his job.

Agree with the rest.

[Jim44]

Surely continuing tk drift is the one thing he can’t be accused of.

In his one full season he backed the manager to sign Nisbet when nobody else was spending money, second season we held on to our biggest assets. As soon as the performances haven’t been good enough he’s acted instantly.

As for the cheap digs about having big screens, they’re an investment that will add to the clubs income which can only be a good thing.

He’s also done all this during a pandemic when a lot of owners would have allowed us to drift or worse.

Really don’t get the negative attitude towards him on this thread, I suspect people won’t admit it but subconsciously it’s because he’s foreign. That doesn’t sit right with me at all.

He’s been great for us so far and long may it continue.

I’m talking from ignorance of the full facts, but I think his premature ditching of JR was a mistake but I’m willing to forgive that if Maloney comes in and does the business.

[Torto7]

He's all talk and no substance so far.

I'm less than impressed.

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You must have missed all the money hes put in.

[bingo70]

I’m talking from ignorance of the full facts, but I think his premature ditching of JR was a mistake but I’m willing to forgive that if Maloney comes in and does the business.

Did you not accuse us of drifting? And now he’s being accused of acting prematurely.

I’m not sure he can win.

Apologies if that wasn’t you.

[PolmontHibby]

Two and a half years to get us to a crossroads - and in a lower league position than when he arrived.
Jack Ross was on his way to taking us to the top of the league against Rangers in October and got booted two and a half months later.

Hopefully the new manager appointment will be an appropriate opportunity for RG and BK to give a detailed explanation on where they believe the club is going both on the pitch and also in relation to the wider community aspects. Even through the bad times I felt I knew where we stood in the Farmer/Petrie/Dempster years but not so clear to me now.

RG made an investment in our club to own it, but it is spend that people on this board and other supporters put in that runs the club - we deserve more clarity on a lot of decisions made over recent months.

[Torto7]

Blaming Ron G is some take like. I never knew kicking a ball was in his remit. I was proud of the team today and Im looking forward to a new chapter about to begin. Ill leave the moaners to let rip.

[Just_Jimmy]

You must have missed all the money hes put in.Has he?

Hibs fans backed the club with nothing in return, because let's be honest online games isn't the same as in person, during covid. Hibs fans via the share issue group, have pumped in thousands with nothing in return and hardly a thank you.

He's sacked people for mistakes and poor performance but he's not really given them the tools to start with or consistently.

He's put in some big screens which I couldn't care less about when we're horrible to watch.

So far, he's talked a lot and delivered not a lot at all.

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[madhatter]

Managers need backed in every window to help the club progress. We didn't and the team has regressed. It cost him his job.

Agree with the rest.

I think our regression is down to more than a single transfer window. People don't want to admit but we did well in a poor league last year. Everyone is stronger. If we were playing last season's Celtic today I would've been much more confident.

Now, I know that looks like we've not backed the manager enough. We did need to strengthen more that I think we all agree on. However, what it shows more than anything to me is our arrogance - we thought Newell was Messi with his pirouettes, Porteous was Sergio Ramos, Doig was Roberto Carlos and Nisbet is Lewandowski. Players at Hibs get adulation well above their standing in the actual game. I think the worst piece of management from Ron Gordon was the extension of Jack Ross' contract and of some of the squad. These were not immediately necessary and funds could and probably should have went into signings.

Our players are average. On their day they can deliver above average. Over to you Ron, bring us a squad worth watching. One that delivers on your vision.

[PolmontHibby]

You must have missed all the money hes put in.

i am interested to know what has been put in to the club by RG - there was some general talk in the papers of £1m when he first arrived but I cannot recall any further amounts, or even know if that is accurate.

As far as I can tell from the statutory accounts the club "lives within its means" and unless I have missed them there are no loans or related party transactions (e.g. funding from owner) in 2019/20......and I await the 2020/21 accounts with interest.

[MWHIBBIES]

Surely continuing tk drift is the one thing he can’t be accused of.

In his one full season he backed the manager to sign Nisbet when nobody else was spending money, second season we held on to our biggest assets. As soon as the performances haven’t been good enough he’s acted instantly.

As for the cheap digs about having big screens, they’re an investment that will add to the clubs income which can only be a good thing.

He’s also done all this during a pandemic when a lot of owners would have allowed us to drift or worse.

Really don’t get the negative attitude towards him on this thread, I suspect people won’t admit it but subconsciously it’s because he’s foreign. That doesn’t sit right with me at all.

He’s been great for us so far and long may it continue.

**** off. Ridiculous thing to say.

I couldn't care less where he is from. We shouldn't be going into a cup final without a manager or Europe without players. That is his responsibility. Everything stops with him because he is the owner.

[bingo70]

Has he?

Hibs fans backed the club with nothing in return, because let's be honest online games isn't the same as in person, during covid. Hibs fans via the share issue group, have pumped in thousands with nothing in return and hardly a thank you.

He's sacked people for mistakes and poor performance but he's not really given them the tools to start with or consistently.

He's put in some big screens which I couldn't care less about when we're horrible to watch.

So far, he's talked a lot and delivered not a lot at all.

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He’s acted upon us being terrible to watch? He’s replaced the person responsible.

You might not care about the screens but they’ll generate good income for the club that will benefit the team.

[bingo70]

**** off. Ridiculous thing to say.

I couldn't care less where he is from. We shouldn't be going into a cup final without a manager or Europe without players. That is his responsibility. Everything stops with him because he is the owner.

Disagree.

Some people have never trusted him because they can’t see why he got involved. That wouldn’t be the case if he was Scottish.

[Unseen work]

I think Ron gave Ross the contact on the back of getting 3rd the the league and him the success in cups - rightly so.

This season with the fans back and new screens etc I think he expected Easter road to be packed most weeks.

We’ve not been close to selling out with a lot of fans moaning about how bad we’re playing.

That along with a truly awful run in the league will have been enough.

If anything Ross has listened to the unhappy fans.

He wants to take us to the next level and I think he knows that no matter what happened under Ross some wouldn’t be happy.

I think he’s hoping a new, young manager with an attacking philosophy and real hunger to have a go at teams will bring the fans back.

We’re spending money now too, a lot more than before and it’s time the squad reflects that.

[Just_Jimmy]

He’s acted upon us being terrible to watch? He’s replaced the person responsible.

You might not care about the screens but they’ll generate good income for the club that will benefit the team.A few weeks or so after awarding the same person a contract extension when many fans were already expressing doubts.



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[bingo70]

A few weeks or so after awarding the same person a contract extension when many fans were already expressing doubts.



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Yes, I didn’t get that either.

He’s maybe made mistakes but I don’t think you can accuse him of drifting. He’s acted decisively despite knowing I’m sure he would get it in the neck.

[madhatter]

A few weeks or so after awarding the same person a contract extension when many fans were already expressing doubts.



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Surely you need to give him credit then? He's known how it would look but committed to making the change even though the flak he'd get.

He's brought all the attention on to himself. For me this is a bold ownership decision. This could define his Hibs legacy.

[Johnny_Leith]

It's a fair statement tbh, we are at a crossroads.

Another final appearance, another final loss. The squad has some talent, but lacks mentality, depth and leadership.

Is Maloney the man to change this? Well, depth should be the easiest fix but that's not a guarantee given the poor summer window. With a new head of recruitment we might see gains in this area but it's unchartered water with the structure of the department and working with a new head coach.

There's a lot of players with question marks hanging over their heads. Squad fillers like Wright and gogic will likely move on in the next 6 months and much more contribution is required from the likes of Allan and Murphy, experienced players who we rarely get a goal or assist from.

I don't know about Maloney's coaching ethos to comment but I'll guess he'll be very proficient and implement an attacking style of play. For me though, the question still remains as it did under jack Ross, is there enough leadership there and can the mentality be strengthened? I hope Maloney is the man to do it, but given his experience and CV to date I'm not sure.

It's early in Ron's reign and a really big 6 months, after consistently reaching the latter stages of the domestic cups and consistently failing to get across the finish line in what I would consider 4 winnable competitions, the fan base needs something to galvanise belief in this team. A strong winter window and end to the season with European football and possibly another final will be the expectation, what we will get is anyone's guess.

Achieve the above and we'll be looking in a better place, failure sees questions rising and apathy spread. I've no doubt that turning us from perineal under achievers to the 'undoubtedly best of the rest' will take time and patience, I just hope we take the correct turn at this crossroads.

[Jim44]

Did you not accuse us of drifting? And now he’s being accused of acting prematurely.

I’m not sure he can win.

Apologies if that wasn’t you.

Yes. It was me and I respect your opinion. However, after an encouraging start to his tenure, I remain indifferent/unconvinced of his leadership. I suppose it stems from my support of JR and his, in my opinion, hasty sacking. You obviously have a different viewpoint re.JR. I can’t argue with your point re. ‘drifting’ but I think JR deserved a bit more time. Anyway, it’s water under the bridge, and whoever is right, I hope we go in the direction we all want for Hibs.

[Iain G]

Disagree.

Some people have never trusted him because they can’t see why he got involved. That wouldn’t be the case if he was Scottish.

Ah the irrational distrust of foreigners...

[Wakeyhibee]

Thats absolutely fine. Mathie had one awful window. Ron's son, our new head of recruitment will get January now. If he has an awful window, he should also be binned.

Ross wasn't given time to turn it around, again absolutely fine. Maloney shouldn't be given time either. Get it right or go. You can't sack a proven manager instead of giving him time and then back the rookie through a rough patch.

Sacking Ross with clearly no plan to replace him quickly leaving us with an interim for a ****ing final, and sacking HoR and replacing with his son are major red flags to me. Hibs simply should not be at a ****ing crossroads 6 months after finishing 3rd and getting to a sc final. We should be pushing on.

If he gets it right, he'll be gone in 2 ywars too.

[MWHIBBIES]

If he gets it right, he'll be gone in 2 ywars too.

And our owner and his staff will have a plan in place, like the hundreds of other clubs our level who lose managers.

[CapitalGreen]

Surely you need to give him credit then? He's known how it would look but committed to making the change even though the flak he'd get.

He's brought all the attention on to himself. For me this is a bold ownership decision. This could define his Hibs legacy.

Exactly. An owner persevering against the fans wishes with an underperforming manager because they’d backed them heavily in the past is exactly what we ridiculed Budge for with Levein.

[Wakeyhibee]

And our owner and his staff will have a plan in place, like the hundreds of other clubs our level who lose managers.

RG doesn't have £50m a year to make the difference. Why are you so angry at RG? Ross in all honesty would not have made a difference. We got beat off a poorer but massively more funded team in Celtic.

[Nicho87]

In era gone by new managers / players would as standard refer to the lure of the training facilities,

Will they now have to update to Ron era of big screens and improved catering menu

[MWHIBBIES]

RG doesn't have £50m a year to make the difference. Why are you so angry at RG? Ross in all honesty would not have made a difference. We got beat off a poorer but massively more funded team in Celtic.

You don't need 50 million a year to be consistent and well prepared for the season ahead.

[MKHIBEE]

He needs to get his finger out. Bordering on negligence forcing a recently retired ex player to take charge of a national cup final.
What a load of nonsense, we were in freefall, something had to be done to stop it and DG was in no way forced to take charge.

[jacomo]

Thats absolutely fine. Mathie had one awful window. Ron's son, our new head of recruitment will get January now. If he has an awful window, he should also be binned.

Ross wasn't given time to turn it around, again absolutely fine. Maloney shouldn't be given time either. Get it right or go. You can't sack a proven manager instead of giving him time and then back the rookie through a rough patch.

Sacking Ross with clearly no plan to replace him quickly leaving us with an interim for a ****ing final, and sacking HoR and replacing with his son are major red flags to me. Hibs simply should not be at a ****ing crossroads 6 months after finishing 3rd and getting to a sc final. We should be pushing on.


Fair points.

[CL0762]

What a load of nonsense, we were in freefall, something had to be done to stop it and DG was in no way forced to take charge.

How is it a load of nonsense? Going into a cup final with a caretaker manager who was a player 6 months ago is the right thing to have done in those circumstances? Absolute pish.

[Wakeyhibee]

You don't need 50 million a year to be consistent and well prepared for the season ahead.

You do to make a challenge on the OF. You've got a 30k difference in attendances to start.

But you are right if you want to come 3rd then you need to recruit/bring thru youngsters a damn site better. Wasnt RGs fault or totally Ross's.

[Rumble de Thump]

Disagree.

Some people have never trusted him because they can’t see why he got involved. That wouldn’t be the case if he was Scottish.

There's a weird thing in the Scottish media with them constantly referring to him as American, and it's always in a derogatory way. I don't know why. They can't bring themselves to say he's Peruvian, not that it even matters.

[Ronniekirk]

How is it a load of nonsense? Going into a cup final with a caretaker manager who was a player 6 months ago is the right thing to have done in those circumstances? Absolute pish.

It was t ideal but would Ross being in charge have stopped Thier two goals
We got Rangers without a Manager and we went 3 up Celtic win but fir all thier possession and pretty triangle moves they didn’t look like they would dismantle us



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[wookie70]

I'd say we are about to drive up a fairly steep hill and we are running out of fuel rather than at a crossroads. If we can just keep the revs going and fill up in the January window we might start to be able to hit the accelerator and catch up with those teams in front. I've not seen anything to suggest categorically whether RG will be good or bad. He certainly talks a good game but lost of those in management do. very few are able to deliver

[matty_f]

Surely continuing tk drift is the one thing he can’t be accused of.

In his one full season he backed the manager to sign Nisbet when nobody else was spending money, second season we held on to our biggest assets. As soon as the performances haven’t been good enough he’s acted instantly.

As for the cheap digs about having big screens, they’re an investment that will add to the clubs income which can only be a good thing.

He’s also done all this during a pandemic when a lot of owners would have allowed us to drift or worse.

Really don’t get the negative attitude towards him on this thread, I suspect people won’t admit it but subconsciously it’s because he’s foreign. That doesn’t sit right with me at all.

He’s been great for us so far and long may it continue.
Good post.

He’s spent money on the squad, kept
players that - let’s face it - would have been sold at the first sign of a decent bid previously, as well as funding the background stuff. We took a hit (we don’t know how much yet because of the business insurance) but still spent on players. There’s plenty of evidence to say he’s serious and making a difference.

[Dmas]

Thats absolutely fine. Mathie had one awful window. Ron's son, our new head of recruitment will get January now. If he has an awful window, he should also be binned.

Ross wasn't given time to turn it around, again absolutely fine. Maloney shouldn't be given time either. Get it right or go. You can't sack a proven manager instead of giving him time and then back the rookie through a rough patch.

Sacking Ross with clearly no plan to replace him quickly leaving us with an interim for a ****ing final, and sacking HoR and replacing with his son are major red flags to me. Hibs simply should not be at a ****ing crossroads 6 months after finishing 3rd and getting to a sc final. We should be pushing on.

Mistakes where made by people in important roles, Mathie and Ross, Doig should have been away replacement was in place and the money was needed to fund the rest of the plans, Mathie screwed it up, as was done with the boy at St.Mirren, we messed around far too long on mccart which was probably at the managers request being the man he wanted, Mathie went and Ross too paid the price, neither where Ron’s appointments both where given a fair crack at the whip, the owner wants his own people in to take the club to where he wants us to go I see no problem in that, as for his son he’s already brought in an international player at peek age il take a couple more of them rather that whatever falls off the back of st mirrens teams bus

[Rumble de Thump]

Good post.

He’s spent money on the squad, kept
players that - let’s face it - would have been sold at the first sign of a decent bid previously, as well as funding the background stuff. We took a hit (we don’t know how much yet because of the business insurance) but still spent on players. There’s plenty of evidence to say he’s serious and making a difference.

He also wiped out our debt, which has put is in a position to buy decent young players for a few hundred grand at a time.

[Billy Whizz]

He also wiped out our debt, which has put is in a position to buy decent young players for a few hundred grand at a time.

Sorry I thought STF wiped out or debt

[MKHIBEE]

How is it a load of nonsense? Going into a cup final with a caretaker manager who was a player 6 months ago is the right thing to have done in those circumstances? Absolute pish.

Its better than putting in a manager just for the sake of having a manager in a cup final. As fans we all crave success and I would have loved to have seen us win today but RG has to take a longer term view. I’m happy to wait and see how things go in the next few months before I start bandying phrases like “ bordering on negligence”about with regard to RG’s decisions.

[Aldo]

How is it a load of nonsense? Going into a cup final with a caretaker manager who was a player 6 months ago is the right thing to have done in those circumstances? Absolute pish.

Sacking JR was the correct thing to do. Not to
appoint a new manager prior to the cup final was also correct.

Can you imagine the negativity and criticism he’d have received following todays result.

Club are on to a hiding to nothing.

We should start tomorrow with a new manager and new hopefully a positive vibe a new manager brings following on from the disappointment today !


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[Rumble de Thump]

Tom Farmer made a deal with the bank re. our mortgage so we were then paying him £500k per year interest free instead of paying the bank plus interest. Ron Gordon cleared our debt with Tom as part of his takeover deal.

[matty_f]

Sorry I thought STF wiped out or debt

He cleared the bank debt and restructured it on favourable terms to repay him instead. Gordon cleared the debt.

We do have some now after the government covid loan, which i think was £2m at zero interest over ten years?

[Dmas]

Tom Farmer made a deal with the bank re. our mortgage so we were then paying him £500k per year interest free instead of paying the bank plus interest. Ron Gordon cleared our debt with Tom as part of his takeover deal.

And added £6m to the club account, half of which we lost to the pandemic

[#2 Double Tap]

And added £6m to the club account, half of which we lost to the pandemic

was it not 1m or 1.25m he added to the account, the 6 million figure was wiping the debt and buying out farmer n petrie???

[Dmas]

was it not 1m or 1.25m he added to the account, the 6 million figure was wiping the debt and buying out farmer n petrie???

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4435498/hibs-ronald-gordon-takeover-debt-wiped/amp/

I can only find that which backs up my memory so you could well be right since it’s that written by that mob

“A seven-figure cash injection, believed to be around £6million, will also be ploughed into the club which could boost boss Paul Heckingbottom's transfer kitty.”

Incase you don’t want to click

[tmb1875]

Folk can say what they want but Gordon, kensell et al sacrificed the cup final today so maloney wouldn’t start his managerial career with a loss in the cup final. Absolute cowards at the club, owner, ceo board, management, players. All lack aggression, appetite and desire. To leave david gray to go up agains postecoglu was at Best letting the fans down. Should have had a manager in setting the team up properly. Free hit today against a poor defensive Celtic side yet we sat back. At what point do the management at the club realise we can’t at any point sit back because we are hopeless at defending. Our only way forward with this squad is to attack and try out score teams. Mentality is so so weak. Ron Gordon is full of ****, runs his mouth off but can’t back it up. What’s the point of getting to the verge of something great then collapsing every time. No wonder hibs fans have seen enough. Scunnered is the word.


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[Rumble de Thump]

Should we not hire a head coach first before asking them to take over as head coach?

[tmb1875]

Had plenty time to get it sorted played 3 games since jr was relieved. Was all for him going but if I knew we were to go into a cup final without a manager I would have left him in charge. Bonkers decision now.


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[chippy]

Maybe it’s Ron whose at the crossroads. Pandemic cost us money and attendances. Perhaps realising there isn’t much you can do to change Scottish football, corrupt referees, etc. I wonder if he’ll hang about if the report commissioned by him and Hearts , etc is not implemented .

[madhatter]

Had plenty time to get it sorted played 3 games since jr was relieved. Was all for him going but if I knew we were to go into a cup final without a manager I would have left him in charge. Bonkers decision now.


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How is it bonkers? What if he had managed to win? Ron Gordon is forced to keep a manager he doesn't want anymore? We'd have a cracker of a transfer window after that...sure Ron Gordon would open his wallet for a guy he no longer supported.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

The Hibs lunatic fringe embodied in a post.

:agree:

[SlickShoes]

This is his first chance to bring in his own management team, he backed Ross the whole time he was there, mutliple people ****ed up our summer business and at least 2 of them are no longer at the club. I always got the impression of Ron that he wanted to pick who was the head coach, but with us having just employed Ross he didn't want to immediately come in and chuck the whole backroom staff out, so we persist until Ross starts spiraling, he had chances to get us out of that spiral and took none of them. Now we get to see what Ron's vision for hibs is, if it's terrible then criticise him, but all this stuff now is weird, so far hes put his money where his mouth is and when we've started to falter hes stepped in and sacked the manager because its not good enough.

[gaz1875]

And our owner and his staff will have a plan in place, like the hundreds of other clubs our level who lose managers.

Are you Jack Ross? be honest.

[tmb1875]

How is it bonkers? What if he had managed to win? Ron Gordon is forced to keep a manager he doesn't want anymore? We'd have a cracker of a transfer window after that...sure Ron Gordon would open his wallet for a guy he no longer supported.

We’ve got to 26 cup finals and won 6. Had a good chance to beat an average Celtic team yet we couldn’t get a manager in place to give us the best chance of changing that stat. ****ed about emptying jr and not having the gusto to go out and get someone in place asap.
What in the last games have you seen that gave you optimism that sdg could set that team up to win today? (And btw he’s my hero this is not about him)
The manager doesn’t decide who comes into a club these days those decisions are all above him. We have a head coach role who has a limited say in transfers.


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[Not In The Know]

How is it his fault?

Recruitment was shocking so he sacked the man in charge in Mathie.

Results in the league were brutal so he sacked the man in charge in Ross.


totally this.

[Onion]

Had plenty time to get it sorted played 3 games since jr was relieved. Was all for him going but if I knew we were to go into a cup final without a manager I would have left him in charge. Bonkers decision now.


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Does look like RG sacrificed the League Cup Final, to arrest the league collapse. Sacking JR is understandable. To not have an obvious replacement lined up, ready to step in, and handing responsibility to SDG is worrying. Smacks of knee-jerk and lacking Strategy.

Next manager appointment is already RG's watershed moment at Hibs. F that up and he'll be hounded. Really, hope he understands how important this next decision is for him and the club.

[Dmas]

Had plenty time to get it sorted played 3 games since jr was relieved. Was all for him going but if I knew we were to go into a cup final without a manager I would have left him in charge. Bonkers decision now.


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Everything has to be immediate, right now or it’s rubbish, had he appointed someone straight away and they lost 3 games then the cup final he’d be getting pulled up for not taking his time.
David gray is employed as a coach he’s been asked to do his job along with Eddie May (who has managerial experience) we could maybe have called upon Steve Kean if it wasn’t automatically written off as the worst appointment ever on the back of some rubbish none of us know anything about at Blackburn Rovers decades ago and it assumed he was here to take over before his arse even hit his chair.

The board/club can’t win no matter what they do or try, big screens pah waste, another sponsorship deal try signing players, we’re 7th when 3rd is the most important it’s been in years…why we sacking the manager, so tiring we’re a team that spent the majority of the last decade in the bottom 6 or in the league below it’s going to take time to get anywhere near the targets RG has set we’re not state owned oil rich plaything

[PolmontHibby]

He cleared the bank debt and restructured it on favourable terms to repay him instead. Gordon cleared the debt.

We do have some now after the government covid loan, which i think was £2m at zero interest over ten years?

Fair point - not entirely clear why final mortgage more than doubled in final year, from circa £500k, but looks like the remaining mortgage cleared at point of takeover was £2.3m based on 2018 and 2019 accounts - therefore a cashflow saving to the club.
There was also a £1.4m share capital cashflow in 2019 accounts, but I cant be bothered to track whether new or old owners put it in.

Not insubstantial amounts.

£2,882,000 was the amount disclosed by government re covid loan to Hibs, which I assume was all drawn down - repayable up to 20 years.

[Glory Lurker]

Bring Back Benny should be all over this thread.

[Rumble de Thump]

We’ve got to 26 cup finals and won 6. Had a good chance to beat an average Celtic team yet we couldn’t get a manager in place to give us the best chance of changing that stat. ****ed about emptying jr and not having the gusto to go out and get someone in place asap.
What in the last games have you seen that gave you optimism that sdg could set that team up to win today? (And btw he’s my hero this is not about him)
The manager doesn’t decide who comes into a club these days those decisions are all above him. We have a head coach role who has a limited say in transfers.


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Pretty much gibberish. The head coach has the final say on transfers.

[Not In The Know]

Surely continuing tk drift is the one thing he can’t be accused of.

In his one full season he backed the manager to sign Nisbet when nobody else was spending money, second season we held on to our biggest assets. As soon as the performances haven’t been good enough he’s acted instantly.

As for the cheap digs about having big screens, they’re an investment that will add to the clubs income which can only be a good thing.

He’s also done all this during a pandemic when a lot of owners would have allowed us to drift or worse.

Really don’t get the negative attitude towards him on this thread, I suspect people won’t admit it but subconsciously it’s because he’s foreign. That doesn’t sit right with me at all.


He’s been great for us so far and long may it continue.

yip.

[Wakeyhibee]

You don't need 50 million a year to be consistent and well prepared for the season ahead.

Cop out does not meet your angst

[Rumble de Thump]

Does look like RG sacrificed the League Cup Final, to arrest the league collapse. Sacking JR is understandable. To not have an obvious replacement lined up, ready to step in, and handing responsibility to SDG is worrying. Smacks of knee-jerk and lacking Strategy.

Next manager appointment is already RG's watershed moment at Hibs. F that up and he'll be hounded. Really, hope he understands how important this next decision is for him and the club.

Why would we line up someone to replace a head coach we hadn't even sacked? That would be a bonkers way to run a club. Remember when Stendel found out he'd been let go because he read that Neilson had been hired to replace him. Thankfully we are a professionally run club and not a circus.

[heid the baw]

The other side of the coin is that 6 months after finishing 3rd and a Scottish cup final there must be something wrong if a large percentage of the fan base are disengaged and not attending games.
Yep that something is COVID. Lockdown causes people to reassess their priorities.
Going to football is for many habitual, so when you stop attending regularly, you have to find other ways to spend a Saturday. After a while you don't miss it as much as you thought and when it resumes, some people may view certain fixtures as a chore and might be selective in the games you choose to attend. It's the same with going to the pub, lockdown made some people realise how massively overrated going to their local was and didn't miss it. When it comes back, it's different.
I think the gaps in the stands and air of apathy is symptomatic of something bigger than a poor run of results. In my opinion, gtting people back will be a real struggle. Even a cup win today would not have impacted that much.

[john rossi]

I now have reservations concerning Ron Gordon seems to be hiring and firing without due thought. Mathie, Ross shown the door poor recruitment or lack of investment on his part?. Then allowing a club legend to take charge of a cup final in Sir David Gray. I am also not impressed with the appointment of Sean Maloney maybe I’m still hurting from the manner of defeat today but he seems to lack personality to meek really hope I am wrong time will tell.

[tmb1875]

Everything has to be immediate, right now or it’s rubbish, had he appointed someone straight away and they lost 3 games then the cup final he’d be getting pulled up for not taking his time.
David gray is employed as a coach he’s been asked to do his job along with Eddie May (who has managerial experience) we could maybe have called upon Steve Kean if it wasn’t automatically written off as the worst appointment ever on the back of some rubbish none of us know anything about at Blackburn Rovers decades ago and it assumed he was here to take over before his arse even hit his chair.

The board/club can’t win no matter what they do or try, big screens pah waste, another sponsorship deal try signing players, we’re 7th when 3rd is the most important it’s been in years…why we sacking the manager, so tiring we’re a team that spent the majority of the last decade in the bottom 6 or in the league below it’s going to take time to get anywhere near the targets RG has set we’re not state owned oil rich plaything

No not at all.
Hibs board are failing, owner is failing players are failing etc.. so that’s why we are talking about it. If everything is rosy we dont have these conversations. Why is it some people have difficulties acknowledging that the club is a mess right now. But aye let’s bury our head in the sands and pretend everything all right. Uber happy clapping hibs fans at there best. Mental if you don’t support the club at every turn! [emoji23]
If I sacked the guy that worked for me tomoro without having organised to bring someone in his place the jobs wouldn’t get done this week, my business would suffer I wouldn’t get the results I needed and my customers would go elsewhere. Whatever happened to succession planning?
It’s just common sense really.
If maloney is the new manager, what stopped him coming in the day after jr? Contract negotiations, pissing about again. Other clubs seem to be able to replace a manager quickly so it can be done if you really want it to.


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[tmb1875]

Pretty much gibberish. The head coach has the final say on transfers.

You outside the main stand now clapping the players back aye? Get in there and crack that bottle of bubbly open for doidgey.


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[Dmas]

I now have reservations concerning Ron Gordon seems to be hiring and firing without due thought. Mathie, Ross shown the door poor recruitment or lack of investment on his part?. Then allowing a club legend to take charge of a cup final in Sir David Gray. I am also not impressed with the appointment of Sean Maloney maybe I’m still hurting from the manner of defeat today but he seems to lack personality to meek really hope I am wrong time will tell.

The assistant manager of the worlds no.1 ranking international football team COULD be hibs manager and John Rossi is worried he doesn’t shout loud enough.

[Rumble de Thump]

David Gray did the job.

[greenlex]

Well if we are at a crossroads his hand is firmly on the wheel. Let’s hope he’s a good driver.

[madhatter]

We’ve got to 26 cup finals and won 6. Had a good chance to beat an average Celtic team yet we couldn’t get a manager in place to give us the best chance of changing that stat. ****ed about emptying jr and not having the gusto to go out and get someone in place asap.
What in the last games have you seen that gave you optimism that sdg could set that team up to win today? (And btw he’s my hero this is not about him)
The manager doesn’t decide who comes into a club these days those decisions are all above him. We have a head coach role who has a limited say in transfers.


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Head Coach has no influence on signings? Hecky - almost all signings came from down south, Jack Ross - most signings from SPL (Hamilton, St Johnstone and St Mirren). Think you might be wrong about that one...

What's the point rushing an appointment for a cup final. Win the final then what? Have to sack the manager in 6 months because he wasn't right? I'd rather not have an owner that desperately scrambles to recruit a manager for 1 game.

I can see perfect logic in what Hibs have done. Remove Jack Ross so no fears of him winning the final and ultimately becoming unsackable. Take time to get right manager, don't rush for 1 match. No matter how big it is. We want to be challenging for this every season.

[Dmas]

No not at all.
Hibs board are failing, owner is failing players are failing etc.. so that’s why we are talking about it. If everything is rosy we dont have these conversations. Why is it some people have difficulties acknowledging that the club is a mess right now. But aye let’s bury our head in the sands and pretend everything all right. Uber happy clapping hibs fans at there best. Mental if you don’t support the club at every turn! [emoji23]
If I sacked the guy that worked for me tomoro without having organised to bring someone in his place the jobs wouldn’t get done this week, my business would suffer I wouldn’t get the results I needed and my customers would go elsewhere. Whatever happened to succession planning?
It’s just common sense really.
If maloney is the new manager, what stopped him coming in the day after jr? Contract negotiations, pissing about again. Other clubs seem to be able to replace a manager quickly so it can be done if you really want it to.


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There has to be a job for Shaun Maloney or whoever to apply for mate, I’ve saw about 11 hibs managers hired and fired in my time not a single one was hired immediately after the sacking of another..not one, your beating the club or it’s owner for the sake of it the issue is your own impatience, they need to apply the applicants need shortlisted and interviewed we’re hibs not chelsea or PSG.

I’m not or never had denied the mess we’re in but the owner has made moves to address that by removing Mathie and Ross and he’s done it swiftly because there not working to your timescale doesn’t mean there being negligent it means there trying to get the right guy in

[Rumble de Thump]

You outside the main stand now clapping the players back aye? Get in there and crack that bottle of bubbly open for doidgey.


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Do you even know what that means? Does it upset you that the head coach has the final say on transfers?

[GreenCastle]

The new manager will need to make top 6 or that will be an early failure.

Not easy but it’s possible.

Another cup run is always a lottery with the draw but being put out early won’t help.

Then it also comes down to how we do in games against teams currently in top 6 (like the Derby) and also making sure we don’t drop points to teams below us.

The new manager needs to get the fans quickly onside - it won’t be easy. We can sign new players in about 14 days - who will we bring in to actively make a difference to the starting team.

Was Ron at today’s game ?

Hibs have definitely made a lot of internal changes with staff - seems all about driving commercial side and revenue. But we also need people who understand the club and what it means to the fans.

Ben seems to think there were too many people in comfortable roles not contributing enough.

[Inconsequential]

Bring Back Benny should be all over this thread. I see what you done there, Miss Diane! :greengrin

[tmb1875]

Did I say no? No what I said is they have little say. That’s why there is a separate department for recruitment. Manager doesn’t say I want this list of players. The club says to the manager what system u want, fine we’ll give you a list to choose from for that system 1,2,3 for each position that’s how it works.
Why should it be rushed, can we no have 2/3 managers at all times that we think would be a good appointment? It’s a cup final mate, what’s more important? We’ve a shocking return on trophies, it’s silverware ffs there’s nothing that should be more important to our club than putting a trophy in the cabinet. We will never win the league again, so the cups are the be all and end all.
No one should be unsackable at any point if there’s a better candidate for that position, player manager ceo cleaner coach etc…


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[tmb1875]

Do you even know what that means? Does it upset you that the head coach has the final say on transfers?

What u on about? Couldn’t give a **** about the management/ transfer situation at the club. Not having a real go in a cup final bothers me mate, seen it far too much, will likely see it again and again in my time. Can take getting beat in any game as long as you have a desire to win the game and go out and express yourself. Have the baws to go win it. Big moments are all about desire, something we sadly lack.


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[Rumble de Thump]

Sorry. It was a response to your post. But your posts have been completely bizarre so that's probably what caused the confusion.

[tmb1875]

Sorry. It was a response to your post. But your posts have been completely bizarre so that's probably what caused the confusion.

Bizarre! Ok bud [emoji1531]


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[superfurryhibby]

What u on about? Couldn’t give a **** about the management/ transfer situation at the club. Not having a real go in a cup final bothers me mate, seen it far too much, will likely see it again and again in my time. Can take getting beat in any game as long as you have a desire to win the game and go out and express yourself. Have the baws to go win it. Big moments are all about desire, something we sadly lack.


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Nonsense. The players gave everything against a much better side. Were you at the game?

[john rossi]

I now have reservations concerning Ron Gordon seems to be hiring and firing without due thought. Mathie, Ross shown the door poor recruitment or lack of investment on his part?. Then allowing a club legend to take charge of a cup final in Sir David Gray. I am also not impressed with the appointment of Sean Maloney maybe I’m still hurting from the manner of defeat today but he seems to lack personality to meek really hope I am wrong time will tell.

[Alfred E Newman]

Well if we are at a crossroads his hand is firmly on the wheel. Let’s hope he’s a good driver.

Let's hope he doesn't turn up a cul-de-sac. I'm exhausted with this thread.

[Hibs4185]

RG has a lot of credit in the bank but this appointment is crucial for him. Get it wrong and I feel his ownership is questionable and get it right then we are all sorted.

Personally I was a Dempster supporter and I admired her leadership and the stability she brought and we seen over the years.

My biggest concern about RG was the change of structure. He had now emptied everyone and brought in his own guys.

We will soon see but I miss Dempster and the structure she brought

[tmb1875]

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] players gave everything! Did they aye? Murphy could probs run a marathon after the game, newell and jdh sauntered about and done nothing of note, Campbell invisible. Hanlon and Porto offers up the goals for Celtic, mcginn was horrendous 1st half. Aye was there and witnessed it with my own 2 eyes.


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[Callum_62]

I can see perfect logic in what Hibs have done. Remove Jack Ross so no fears of him winning the final and ultimately becoming unsackable.

That does seem perfectly logical to me

Heaven forbid Jack Ross won us the cup!

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[superfurryhibby]

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] players gave everything! Did they aye? Murphy could probs run a marathon after the game, newell and jdh sauntered about and done nothing of note, Campbell invisible. Hanlon and Porto offers up the goals for Celtic, mcginn was horrendous 1st half. Aye was there and witnessed it with my own 2 eyes.


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Glad for you that you’re laughing. I’m still gutted. Did you expect Hibs to win today?

Pathetic post.

[madhatter]

That does seem perfectly logical to me

Heaven forbid Jack Ross won us the cup!

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Nice truncation in your quote. Think you missed the ellipsis though?

[Rumble de Thump]

I now have reservations concerning Ron Gordon seems to be hiring and firing without due thought. Mathie, Ross shown the door poor recruitment or lack of investment on his part?. Then allowing a club legend to take charge of a cup final in Sir David Gray. I am also not impressed with the appointment of Sean Maloney maybe I’m still hurting from the manner of defeat today but he seems to lack personality to meek really hope I am wrong time will tell.

Probably best to give it at least an hour.

[CB Hibs 68]

What u on about? Couldn’t give a **** about the management/ transfer situation at the club. Not having a real go in a cup final bothers me mate, seen it far too much, will likely see it again and again in my time. Can take getting beat in any game as long as you have a desire to win the game and go out and express yourself. Have the baws to go win it. Big moments are all about desire, something we sadly lack.


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Aye aye.Which Final in particular are you talking about?Todays or the Final against St J.I know which one Hibs simply didn’t turn up at.

[HoboHarry]

Few low post count empty barrels making a lot of noise on this thread lol.....

[hhibs]

I can’t say I’m a huge fan or even made my mind up either way, but can’t blame RG for:

- dire football
- playing 2 defensive midfielders against every team
- not playing enough attacking players until forced to (see Allan, Murphy, Gullan)
- not having a game plan apart from ‘give the ball the boyle’
- outside of doig, no young players have been given a decent run in the team (Campbell is in his 20s, and feels more like desperation on JRs perspective), whilst at the same time has publicly complained about fixture congestion, followed by zero squad rotation at all. Surely a couple of these young boys could have been on the bench or got the odd start, it’s not like the current incumbents have been doing anything of note


Managers get an easy ride at times these days - always get a fair stretch of time with ‘it’s not his team/players, need to let him get his own squad’. Surely it’s his job to improve the players (and tactics) he has to a point? Has any of our first team improved under his stewardship?



Spot on McD , agree entirely.

[Callum_62]

Nice truncation in your quote. Think you missed the ellipsis though?Nope, I think the quote was fine

You suggest it's logical from the club to remove our manager incase he won a trophy therefore making him 'unsackable'

I think today we would all accept an 'unsackable' manager

Its not logical in the slightest

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[Key West]

I don’t know how ambitious Ron Gordon is for Hibs but he would need to spend between 10 and 15 million to get anywhere near winning the league or doing well in a European competition. Otherwise it is carry on regardless and trying to be the best of the rest. There’s no point criticising players on threads for not being as good as their counterparts who cost millions, I’m not sure what the definition of being at the crossroads actually means.

[Thegreenside]

RG can’t win, in a horrible time for all business including football, we signed some players but most importantly we turned down bids on players that where key to management at that time. We have seen plenty managers in the past that had the rug pulled from under them.

[madhatter]

Nope, I think the quote was fine

You suggest it's logical from the club to remove our manager incase he won a trophy therefore making him 'unsackable'

I think today we would all accept an 'unsackable' manager

Its not logical in the slightest

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That's true. When you completely ignore the dynamics and relationship between owner and manager. Dick Campbell and many others say the most important relationship is with the owner. If Ron and Jack's relationship had weakened and faith had been lost an 'unsackable' manager in the eyes of the support is absolutely not what Ron would want. Ron will need to open his wallet to fix our squad, we need a manager he fully believes in and backs financially.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Few low post count empty barrels making a lot of noise on this thread lol.....

It is quite remarkable.

[Torto7]

RG can’t win, in a horrible time for all business including football, we signed some players but most importantly we turned down bids on players that where key to management at that time. We have seen plenty managers in the past that had the rug pulled from under them.

Plenty of agendas on this thread. The parochial nature of Scottish people being one of them. No mention of mitigating factors like covid either. Mathie arsed up the summer and our lack of depth has been exposed causing a collapse in form and confidence. The core of this team are more than good enough for the SPL. If I'm Maloney I'm happy I'm getting the job just now.

[Tambo]

On the chapter closes I'm guessing he means Jack Ross as manager and new one will be announced today?

Crossroads could mean anything.

[CapitalGreen]

On the chapter closes I'm guessing he means Jack Ross as manager and new one will be announced today?

Crossroads could mean anything.

I think that’s fairly obvious but some people like to read into everything he says more than they should.

[GreenCastle]

On the chapter closes I'm guessing he means Jack Ross as manager and new one will be announced today?

Crossroads could mean anything.

You would think after yesterday they would announce the new manager today to bring some good news to the club.

Good luck with the next 4 games.

Aberdeen home
Dundee Utd away
Celtic away
Hearts home

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

I think that’s fairly obvious but some people like to read into everything he says more than they should.

We’ll he should spell out exactly what he means and provide some direction rather than coming out with the ambiguous, cryptic p!sh.

[Rumble de Thump]

We’ll he should spell out exactly what he means and provide some direction rather than coming out with the ambiguous, cryptic p!sh.

Do you genuinely think what he said was cryptic?

[Callum_62]

Do you genuinely think what he said was cryptic?It's like the davici code [emoji33][emoji23]

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[G15 Hibs]

Do you genuinely think what he said was cryptic?

Better not try The Times crossword

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Do you genuinely think what he said was cryptic?

Yes, I do.

What did he mean by it exactly?

[bingo70]

Yes, I do.

What did he mean by it exactly?

We’re appointing a new manager soon.

[Iain G]

Yes, I do.

What did he mean by it exactly?

I assume he likened our position to that of being at a crossroads, like when you are driving and you get to a crossroads, but metaphorically? And that it's possibly time for a change of direction, or that we could continue on straightforward as before and nothing changes.

He maybe needs to clarify whether he wants us to turn right or turn left though? 😉

[CapitalGreen]

Yes, I do.

What did he mean by it exactly?

Cryptic 🤣🤣

The Jack Ross chapter has ended and the Maloney chapter is about to begin, it’s as simple as that.

Should he have drawn a picture to make it easier for you to understand?

[J-C]

Some right wallpapers on this thread, now it's all Ron's fault, no leadership, no direction, no investment, hanging Gray out to dry blah blah blah.

Do you honestly think having Ross in the dugout would've made any difference yesterday, that was his team and they showed just how average they are.

Remember although Ron was the owner when Ross came in, he'd have no idea who he was, he's Leeann's man. There's a rumour going around the Ross and Ron had a falling out, maybe he got the bullet because it was personal but people really need to chill the **** out, it's just getting silly.

[Rumble de Thump]

He could have been referring to the TV show to be fair but it's not been on telly for about 20 years :confused:

[Smartie]

I thought he was acknowledging that we were reaching the end of a difficult transition period and entering into one where he felt he had his people in position and was therefore more comfortable being judged.

[jacomo]

Some right wallpapers on this thread, now it's all Ron's fault, no leadership, no direction, no investment, hanging Gray out to dry blah blah blah.

Do you honestly think having Ross in the dugout would've made any difference yesterday, that was his team and they showed just how average they are.

Remember although Ron was the owner when Ross came in, he'd have no idea who he was, he's Leeann's man. There's a rumour going around the Ross and Ron had a falling out, maybe he got the bullet because it was personal but people really need to chill the **** out, it's just getting silly.


I think it’s possible we’d have got a different result with Jack in the dug out, yes.

We can argue that point back and forth but neither of us can prove it either way, so it’s pointless.

What I do think is that heading to a cup final without a manager seems reckless. The timing of the sacking was really off.

[Wilson]

Some right wallpapers on this thread, now it's all Ron's fault, no leadership, no direction, no investment, hanging Gray out to dry blah blah blah.

Do you honestly think having Ross in the dugout would've made any difference yesterday, that was his team and they showed just how average they are.

Remember although Ron was the owner when Ross came in, he'd have no idea who he was, he's Leeann's man. There's a rumour going around the Ross and Ron had a falling out, maybe he got the bullet because it was personal but people really need to chill the **** out, it's just getting silly.

Ross's team beat Rangers convincingly to be in the final. It might have made no difference had he been there but we'll never know.

I'm not convinced by Ron. He's a business man clearly and obviously expects results. Whether those results are realistic and if his meddling is helpful will be up for debate.

For me he acted too quickly punting Ross and didn't allow for mitigation in terms of covid, injuries, and a poor transfer window. He is owner and has a right to make those calls but he isn't infallible.

I'd be more worried if we stopped caring enough to ask questions.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Cryptic 🤣🤣

The Jack Ross chapter has ended and the Maloney chapter is about to begin, it’s as simple as that.

Should he have drawn a picture to make it easier for you to understand?

That's your interpretation though, not fact.

There's surely got to be more to it than we're changing manager. We all knew we were changing manager.

Nice insult though.

[Brizo]

He could have been referring to the TV show to be fair but it's not been on telly for about 20 years :confused:

Amy Turtle Hibernian Supporters branch :thumbsup::flag:

[Steve20]

There's no problem with him saying we're at a crossroads, but is he planning on making anything exciting happen at the club. It's all a bit meh right now and the thing we're meant to be most happy about is putting big screens up and painting some seats white in the East Stand to say 'HFC'. The playing squad needs a big overhaul. Keeper, defence and midfield are all weak.

So is he going to give money to the new manager? Or are we going to stay mediocre and never do anything? (Reaching a couple of finals we don't win is not success btw)

[jacomo]

On the chapter closes I'm guessing he means Jack Ross as manager and new one will be announced today?

Crossroads could mean anything.


It’s more than Jack Ross. This is unequivocally Ron’s club now, with his people in all the senior positions.

He seems to me like a good guy, pretty ruthless and determined under that smiley persona though. I think the timing of Jack’s departure stinks and he deserved more time to get us out of our current rut.

Still, we will see. If Maloney is the man to instal a more positive, attack-minded approach then maybe the short term pain will be worth it.

Really feels like this cup final was a bit of an afterthought though and that does stick in the throat.

[Iain G]

Amy Turtle Hibernian Supporters branch :thumbsup::flag:

Benny Kensell is already in place 😉

[SlickShoes]

There's no problem with him saying we're at a crossroads, but is he planning on making anything exciting happen at the club. It's all a bit meh right now and the thing we're meant to be most happy about is putting big screens up and painting some seats white in the East Stand to say 'HFC'. The playing squad needs a big overhaul. Keeper, defence and midfield are all weak.

So is he going to give money to the new manager? Or are we going to stay mediocre and never do anything? (Reaching a couple of finals we don't win is not success btw)

We should just buy players out with the transfer window that would show real ambition eh.

Why are people constantly banging on about him doing nothing when there is nothing he can do? We already have two new players coming in, hopefully he supports the new manager in January but right now he’s done about all he can

[Stevie Reid]

Further expenditure from Ron in sacking a manager and assistant, and bringing in three new members of staff alongside the new manager, to replace them.

[MWHIBBIES]

Further expenditure from Ron in sacking a manager and assistant, and bringing in three new members of staff alongside the new manager, to replace them.

Do you think he is paying it out of his own pocket like?

[The 90+2]

Further expenditure from Ron in sacking a manager and assistant, and bringing in three new members of staff alongside the new manager, to replace them.

Let’s see in the next set of accounts it all being covered by him personally then. I don’t think there’s a chance of that.

[Stevie Reid]

I wasn’t necessarily meaning it’s come straight from his own pocket, I mean that he’s sanctioned spending on four positions when there were two empty ones.

[Iain G]

We should just buy players out with the transfer window that would show real ambition eh.

Why are people constantly banging on about him doing nothing when there is nothing he can do? We already have two new players coming in, hopefully he supports the new manager in January but right now he’s done about all he can

And we did actually kinda do that and secure Mueller outside the window!

[Greenio]

Do you think he is paying it out of his own pocket like?

He owns the club, so it is his own pocket no?

Not saying his investment into Hibs is stopping him buying his Saturday might carry oot, but he's bankrolling it

correct me if im wrong

[MWHIBBIES]

We should just buy players out with the transfer window that would show real ambition eh.

Why are people constantly banging on about him doing nothing when there is nothing he can do? We already have two new players coming in, hopefully he supports the new manager in January but right now he’s done about all he can

You can buy players at any time mate, so yes, we could but them outside of the transfer window.

[ahibby]

I assume he likened our position to that of being at a crossroads, like when you are driving and you get to a crossroads, but metaphorically? And that it's possibly time for a change of direction, or that we could continue on straightforward as before and nothing changes.

He maybe needs to clarify whether he wants us to turn right or turn left though? 😉

He's made a right turn at the crossroads, because Sean Maloney has been given the job. Had it been another we might have turned left or went straight ahead. Or the wheels might have come off and we ploughed through a hedge and into the one of the fields quadranted by the crossroads.

[Mick O'Rourke]

Now we know Ron's taste in music :aok:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE9HvSdcaL4




Ok Ron, Lets pony up at the Crossroads

[Iain G]

He's made a right turn at the crossroads, because Sean Maloney has been given the job. Had it been another we might have turned left or went straight ahead. Or the wheels might have come off and we ploughed through a hedge and into the one of the fields quadranted by the crossroads.

Ah but just because we have turned right today doesn't mean that there is another crossroads looming ahead...would pull up to the side of the road and secure those wheels properly just in case... metaphorically of course 🤣

[Keith_M]

"Hibs at a Crossroads"


Might just be indicating that our main tactic is no longer going down Route One

:dunno:

[ahibby]

Now we know Ron's taste in music :aok:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE9HvSdcaL4




Ok Ron, Lets pony up at the Crossroads



Clapton get's all the praise but Ginger Baker was/is some drummer.

[bigwheel]

Clapton get's all the praise but Ginger Baker was/is some drummer.

And added bonus is he is not a racist !

[MWHIBBIES]

He owns the club, so it is his own pocket no?

Not saying his investment into Hibs is stopping him buying his Saturday might carry oot, but he's bankrolling it

correct me if im wrong

More likely out of our pocket.

[Ronniekirk]

Yes, I do.

What did he mean by it exactly?

Ask Robert Johnson


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[Tambo]

The new chapter begins.

[GreenCastle]

Still have full faith in Ron. He’s still learning about the club and with change comes ups and downs.

If we had kept the previous regime we wouldn’t have new screens, we wouldn’t be appointing Maloney, we wouldn’t be bringing in more £ as a club.

Not saying the previous group were poor but it was time for a change and new ideas.

I think the next 2 transfer windows we will really see what direction we are going in. January is always tricky to add but we do need to move some players in and out. Summer though could be very interesting to see how we go into next season.

[ahibby]

Ask Robert Johnson


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Ron not selling his soul to the devil that is for sure

[Smartie]

If what I've heard is true about the money Boyle and Mueller are on (as well as taking into consideration the cost of punting Jack Ross and employing Shaun Maloney) then Ron Gordon is most certainly ponying up.

These ain't figures that you easily pay out of what is generated by our number of season tickets and a decent record at reaching semis and finals.

Questions can certainly be asked about the wisdom of some of the decisions that have been made but I don't think anyone can say he isn't putting his hand in his pocket.

[Carheenlea]

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[Northernhibee]

I hope this means that after the January transfer window we’ll have an absolutely Blazin’ Squad.

[RIP]

The old model had Sir Tom Farmer, a board led by chairman Petrie, a CEO, Head of Football, Recruitment department and Head Coach.

Ron has turned the clock back and his son and Ben have hired a Manager, Assistant Manager and a team of coaches.

Time will tell whether this model will be superior to the one we’ve had since 2014.

[Inconsequential]

https://i.postimg.cc/KcssRX9b/231-B85-A1-351-F-400-A-B0-C7-177560-BB900-E.jpg (https://postimages.org/) Where's Miss Diane? :greengrin

[BSEJVT]

Do you think he is paying it out of his own pocket like?

Do you think we have generated enough revenue to do all we have over the last two years?

If not then yes he is paying for it!

[PolmontHibby]

Do you think we have generated enough revenue to do all we have over the last two years?

If not then yes he is paying for it!

We moved in to July 2020 with over £5 million in the bank, and got a loan from SNP for £2.8.

Even with COVID, if we have managed to burn through the best part of £8 million I will be very surprised.

[The 90+2]

Do you think we have generated enough revenue to do all we have over the last two years?

If not then yes he is paying for it!

It will be club debt against RG, who has holdings over the stadium and training ground that is now separate from the club.

[#2 Double Tap]

It will be club debt against RG, who has holdings over the stadium and training ground that is now separate from the club.

didnt ron make everything one entity or am I mistaken?

I thought before with farmer, it was all separate, now it is all under one banner, owned by Bydand Sports LLC.

Are you spouting some jumbo propaganda?

[cocteautwin]

We moved in to July 2020 with over £5 million in the bank, and got a loan from SNP for £2.8.

Even with COVID, if we have managed to burn through the best part of £8 million I will be very surprised.

Of course we have burned through the £8m. The £5m in the bank summer of 2020 was mainly season ticket money. It's no different to any other club. The season ticket money is collected in the summer and then spent over the course of the season. The loan money was to help see us through COVID period when there was no week to week takings coming on to the club. The whole £8m will have been spent in the season up to 30 June and then replenished by new season ticket money.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Of course we have burned through the £8m. The £5m in the bank summer of 2020 was mainly season ticket money. It's no different to any other club. The season ticket money is collected in the summer and then spent over the course of the season. The loan money was to help see us through COVID period when there was no week to week takings coming on to the club. The whole £8m will have been spent in the season up to 30 June and then replenished by new season ticket money.

They also said at the AGM we had business interruption insurance - not heard any more on that since they said they had put the claim in so not sure how much it is.

[BSEJVT]

It will be club debt against RG, who has holdings over the stadium and training ground that is now separate from the club.

What does club debt even mean?

As the majority shareholder who holds the vast balance of the shares, whether any debt exists against the football club or whether he has put cash into the club, it makes no difference it's his cash he is spending.

If we start from the premise that when he bought the club the terms of the transaction ensured that there was no debt, even if there is now he has devalued his asset so he is spending his own money.

Additionally, an earlier poster referenced the Covid Loan, it is understood that this is a debt owed by the club and has further devalued RG's asset?

There is little doubt either responding to another poster that we have burned through the £8m they referred to and a whole lot more.

A look at the latest accounts would show exactly what our expenditure is on an annual basis and it is a lot more than £8m, the best measure of the business's cash is to look at the position just before the season ticket monies come in and it will show little if any cash left at all, that information is not readily available so you need to extrapolate that figure.

Posters will never agree whether it was right to sack Ross, whether Maloney is the right replacement or whether players X, Y or Z are brilliant terrible or okay but it does us no good to go around making up rumours that RG's isn't ponying up when he demonstrably is.

This type of thing grows arms and legs and you need to look no further than the barrage of negativity that surrounded the launch of HSL to understand how detrimental that can be.

[Keith_M]

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Benny is back!!!!!!!!

[snedzuk]

Clapton get's all the praise but Ginger Baker was/is some drummer.

was - died in 2019

[CropleyWasGod]

didnt ron make everything one entity or am I mistaken?

I thought before with farmer, it was all separate, now it is all under one banner, owned by Bydand Sports LLC.

Are you spouting some jumbo propaganda?


Not sure what you mean by "one entity".

Virtually everything (the stadium, HTC etc) is and was owned by the club. In STF's day, the only thing not owned by the club was the ticket office. (I'm not sure if that is still the case).

Bydand Sports own the majority of the shares in the club, just as STF's company owned them in his time.

[Aldo]

Just caught up on this thread and wow!

It doesn’t surprise me some of the comments by posters given the result on Sunday. Certain folk seem to appear when we are beaten and are out to be as controversial as possible and have an anti Hibs agenda!

Never ever happy and always negative and you have to question why they actually support the club???


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[matty_f]

It will be club debt against RG, who has holdings over the stadium and training ground that is now separate from the club.

The training ground is owned by the club.

[JimBHibees]

Just caught up on this thread and wow!

It doesn’t surprise me some of the comments by posters given the result on Sunday. Certain folk seem to appear when we are beaten and are out to be as controversial as possible and have an anti Hibs agenda!

Never ever happy and always negative and you have to question why they actually support the club???


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Your final point I am not sure all of them do. Always after defeats a number of posters never to be seen at any other time criticising every aspect of the club usually backed up by others. Think deliberate campaign

[theonlywayisup]

Your final point I am not sure all of them do. Always after defeats a number of posters never to be seen at any other time criticising every aspect of the club usually backed up by others. Think deliberate campaign

Not really! Sadly, it's the world that we live in that there are some people who complain when things are not great, but rarely praise when things are going well. Think about any reviews for holiday accommodation or products bought via the internet. Many complaints are negative, which would make you think twice about purchasing them. However, on occasions when I've read the negative review after I've purchased the product, my experience has often been the complete opposite.

It makes me realise that some people either have unbelievable high (or unrealistic) expectations or shouldn't have purchased the product in the first place as it's not what they wanted. You can see the parallels with supporting a football club. You get to the point that it's pointless reading the negative comments as these people views are so unrealistic.

[PolmontHibby]

What does club debt even mean?

As the majority shareholder who holds the vast balance of the shares, whether any debt exists against the football club or whether he has put cash into the club, it makes no difference it's his cash he is spending.

If we start from the premise that when he bought the club the terms of the transaction ensured that there was no debt, even if there is now he has devalued his asset so he is spending his own money.

Additionally, an earlier poster referenced the Covid Loan, it is understood that this is a debt owed by the club and has further devalued RG's asset?

There is little doubt either responding to another poster that we have burned through the £8m they referred to and a whole lot more.

A look at the latest accounts would show exactly what our expenditure is on an annual basis and it is a lot more than £8m, the best measure of the business's cash is to look at the position just before the season ticket monies come in and it will show little if any cash left at all, that information is not readily available so you need to extrapolate that figure.

Posters will never agree whether it was right to sack Ross, whether Maloney is the right replacement or whether players X, Y or Z are brilliant terrible or okay but it does us no good to go around making up rumours that RG's isn't ponying up when he demonstrably is.

This type of thing grows arms and legs and you need to look no further than the barrage of negativity that surrounded the launch of HSL to understand how detrimental that can be.

I expect you are referring to my post re the covid loan and "burned through £8m", but I am not clear on the points being made.

To be clear on my point - based on the financial statements you refer to there was confidence stated March 2021 that cash resources were available through June 2022. Though a risk that shareholder funding would be required up to £750k if some worst case scenarios (such as SPFL payouts cancelled-which were paid out). Based on this, I will stick with the club statement that cash resources have been adequate without further shareholder funding - which is as it should be and how RG seems to want to run the club, which I 100% agree with.

If there is any information out there that additional funding has been required I have missed it - and lets not tell our neighbours we have run out of cash.

All of the above is as positive as it could be through these COVID days - though I say the above feeling less confident after yesterdays announcement on more restrictions.

Going forward in to 2021/22 season season ticket sales will be critical, which as commented on elsewhere probably one of the drivers for the change of manager.

As to what club debt means, it depends, using Sevco as an example; a 16% repayable loan from Dave King drains the cashflow over time, whereas soft loans from other directors converted to shares (in a desperate attempt to halt 10 in a row) is 100% upside to cashflow.
Personally I want Hibs to run solely on the revenue it generates from operations, we should not behave like Sevco.
A view that RG also holds based on his statement in the financials - again I 100% agree.

[JimBHibees]

Not really! Sadly, it's the world that we live in that there are some people who complain when things are not great, but rarely praise when things are going well. Think about any reviews for holiday accommodation or products bought via the internet. Many complaints are negative, which would make you think twice about purchasing them. However, on occasions when I've read the negative review after I've purchased the product, my experience has often been the complete opposite.

It makes me realise that some people either have unbelievable high (or unrealistic) expectations or shouldn't have purchased the product in the first place as it's not what they wanted. You can see the parallels with supporting a football club. You get to the point that it's pointless reading the negative comments as these people views are so unrealistic.

Important point also. :agree:

[#2 Double Tap]

Not sure what you mean by "one entity".

Virtually everything (the stadium, HTC etc) is and was owned by the club. In STF's day, the only thing not owned by the club was the ticket office. (I'm not sure if that is still the case).

Bydand Sports own the majority of the shares in the club, just as STF's company owned them in his time.

entity was probably the wrong choice of word.


My understanding was Farmer had the football club and stadium/training centre owned by different company names, sure HFC holdings held the club( staff, players etc) and the assets were owned by a different one. Sure I read somewhere, sometime, that it was in case the club ever got into serious debt, the assets were owned separately to protect them or something.

Once Ron took over, he took the two and merged them under one banner, Bydand, I could be totally wrong though, my memory loves to invent stuff :)

[ahibby]

I expect you are referring to my post re the covid loan and "burned through £8m", but I am not clear on the points being made.

To be clear on my point - based on the financial statements you refer to there was confidence stated March 2021 that cash resources were available through June 2022. Though a risk that shareholder funding would be required up to £750k if some worst case scenarios (such as SPFL payouts cancelled-which were paid out). Based on this, I will stick with the club statement that cash resources have been adequate without further shareholder funding - which is as it should be and how RG seems to want to run the club, which I 100% agree with.

If there is any information out there that additional funding has been required I have missed it - and lets not tell our neighbours we have run out of cash.

All of the above is as positive as it could be through these COVID days - though I say the above feeling less confident after yesterdays announcement on more restrictions.

Going forward in to 2021/22 season season ticket sales will be critical, which as commented on elsewhere probably one of the drivers for the change of manager.

As to what club debt means, it depends, using Sevco as an example; a 16% repayable loan from Dave King drains the cashflow over time, whereas soft loans from other directors converted to shares (in a desperate attempt to halt 10 in a row) is 100% upside to cashflow.
Personally I want Hibs to run solely on the revenue it generates from operations, we should not behave like Sevco.
A view that RG also holds based on his statement in the financials - again I 100% agree.

Not being an accountant I dont understand all of
that but what I take from it is I better buy a season ticket for 22/23, and continue to pay through HSL easy for me to do over the next year. Especially easy to say just after beating Aberdeen so on a high.

[houstonhibbee]

Ron will be feeling mightily relieved tonight........

[CropleyWasGod]

entity was probably the wrong choice of word.


My understanding was Farmer had the football club and stadium/training centre owned by different company names, sure HFC holdings held the club( staff, players etc) and the assets were owned by a different one. Sure I read somewhere, sometime, that it was in case the club ever got into serious debt, the assets were owned separately to protect them or something.

Once Ron took over, he took the two and merged them under one banner, Bydand, I could be totally wrong though, my memory loves to invent stuff :)

Pesky memories :greengrin

Under STF, the stadium, HTC, players (in other words, the assets) were all owned by "the club" (The Hibernian Football Club Limited). The shares in the club were mostly owned by HFC Holdings, which was STF/RP's company. The only asset not owned by the club was the ticket office.

Under RG, it's the same set-up. Substitute Bydand for HFC Holdings.

The only slight difference would be the ticket office. The accounts aren't clear on that, but I suspect STF still owns it.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Pesky memories :greengrin

Under STF, the stadium, HTC, players (in other words, the assets) were all owned by "the club" (The Hibernian Football Club Limited). The shares in the club were mostly owned by HFC Holdings, which was STF/RP's company. The only asset not owned by the club was the ticket office.

Under RG, it's the same set-up. Substitute Bydand for HFC Holdings.

The only slight difference would be the ticket office. The accounts aren't clear on that, but I suspect STF still owns it.

Im nearly certain (from my memory of the reports on the day of the takeover in 2019) that the ticket office is now owned by HFC

[CropleyWasGod]

Im nearly certain (from my memory of the reports on the day of the takeover in 2019) that the ticket office is now owned by HFC

You're correct. :agree:

I went back to the 2019 accounts, which took in the takeover, and there's an acquisition by the club of "property" previously owned by HFC Holdings, on 1 July 2019. The ticket office isn't specified, but I don't think it could have been anything else.

[Steven79]

You're correct. :agree:

I went back to the 2019 accounts, which took in the takeover, and there's an acquisition by the club of "property" previously owned by HFC Holdings, on 1 July 2019. The ticket office isn't specified, but I don't think it could have been anything else.

I'm pretty sure it was said at the time that the ticket office was back with the club after the take over.