Parking issue at Bethlehem Way / Sapphire Point

[skankomcphee]

Just a heads up - I've parked at Bethlehem Way before matches for the last few seasons but came back on Tuesday night to find what felt like a mix of vegetable oil / ketchup on my car door handles.

It was a nightmare to get rid of and if we hadn't had wet wipes in the car it would have been a real mess.

Not sure what was behind it but one or two other cars seem to have been done as well. Not sure what was behind it but think I'll be parking elsewhere for the Aberdeen game.

[JeMeSouviens]

Just a heads up - I've parked at Bethlehem Way before matches for the last few seasons but came back on Tuesday night to find what felt like a mix of vegetable oil / ketchup on my car door handles.

It was a nightmare to get rid of and if we hadn't had wet wipes in the car it would have been a real mess.

Not sure what was behind it but one or two other cars seem to have been done as well. Not sure what was behind it but think I'll be parking elsewhere for the Aberdeen game.

Take the donkey next time? :greengrin

[SChibs]

If people choose to live near to a football stadium then they need to live with the fact people will park in their street imo. I stay next to the stadium and I need to move my car every week as its parked where they put no parking cones. My last flat was in Stewart Terrace and it was almost impossible yo get parked if Hearts were at home

[Weegreenman]

Just a heads up - I've parked at Bethlehem Way before matches for the last few seasons but came back on Tuesday night to find what felt like a mix of vegetable oil / ketchup on my car door handles.

It was a nightmare to get rid of and if we hadn't had wet wipes in the car it would have been a real mess.

Not sure what was behind it but one or two other cars seem to have been done as well. Not sure what was behind it but think I'll be parking elsewhere for the Aberdeen game.


I think we can all guess what’s behind it. Residents don’t want you parking there.
It looks like their unusual tactics have won and now the word is out I think supporters might think twice about parking in a residential area.

I don’t condone this type of behaviour but it must be a nightmare if you live in such a place and you can’t get your car parked because there’s a football match on.

[Northernhibee]

I wish they hadn’t put that on my glasses either, but I guess that’s Heinz sight for you.

[Weegreenman]

I wish they hadn’t put that on my glasses either, but I guess that’s Heinz sight for you.

🤮😂😂😂🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬

[JeMeSouviens]

I think we can all guess what’s behind it. Residents don’t want you parking there.
It looks like their unusual tactics have won and now the word is out I think supporters might think twice about parking in a residential area.

I don’t condone this type of behaviour but it must be a nightmare if you live in such a place and you can’t get your car parked because there’s a football match on.

It's a private car park and a street that looks too narrow to safely park on. Looks like the residents have a point?

https://goo.gl/maps/txSdnV16qaxTKSsLA

[JeMeSouviens]

I wish they hadn’t put that on my glasses either, but I guess that’s Heinz sight for you.

:top marks

boom, boom!

[gbhibby]

Some people will own their parking space so you are effectively parking in their driveway. Find another space and don't be so selfish. No sympathy from me.

[gbhibby]

Just a heads up - I've parked at Bethlehem Way before matches for the last few seasons but came back on Tuesday night to find what felt like a mix of vegetable oil / ketchup on my car door handles.

It was a nightmare to get rid of and if we hadn't had wet wipes in the car it would have been a real mess.

Not sure what was behind it but one or two other cars seem to have been done as well. Not sure what was behind it but think I'll be parking elsewhere for the Aberdeen game.

A Sunblest loaf would have been better than wet wipes. 😊

[lord bunberry]

Just a heads up - I've parked at Bethlehem Way before matches for the last few seasons but came back on Tuesday night to find what felt like a mix of vegetable oil / ketchup on my car door handles.

It was a nightmare to get rid of and if we hadn't had wet wipes in the car it would have been a real mess.

Not sure what was behind it but one or two other cars seem to have been done as well. Not sure what was behind it but think I'll be parking elsewhere for the Aberdeen game.
You’re parking your car in a private car park, you’re lucky that’s all that happened. How would you like it if you paid a large sum of money for a house with a parking space outside and someone came along and parked in it every time a game was on? When did people become so selfish and ignorant :rolleyes:

[MWHIBBIES]

Some people will own their parking space so you are effectively parking in their driveway. Find another space and don't be so selfish. No sympathy from me.

And how are you supposed to know that?

[wookie70]

You’re parking your car in a private car park, you’re lucky that’s all that happened. How would you like it if you paid a large sum of money for a house with a parking space outside and someone came along and parked in it every time a game was on? When did people become so selfish and ignorant :rolleyes:

I wouldn't park there but that road has lines down the middle and has almost certainly been adopted by the council. I'd say there is parking for two or three cars safely and any road user has the right to park there as much as residents. The spaces at the other end may be a different story but I can't see an issue with parking on the road.

[lord bunberry]

And how are you supposed to know that?
There’s a sign as you drive in telling you that’s it’s private property and there’s no parking.

[Jack]

I've recently moved to a small estate close to the stadium, its a private road, clearly marked with parking bays for houses that don't have a garage/driveway.

I have to say I'm quite disappointed but by no means surprised about the selfishness of people parking on match days. In no particular order, parking on the pavement so that folk in wheelchairs or with buggies have to use the road, parking in or blocking private parking bays, parking on grass verges, various instances of parking in places that is dangerous for other road users.

I'm not surprised residents in other areas seem to be less forgiving than they appear to be here but in the couple of months I've been here it's already been mentioned on the private Facebook group and some are rightly upset.

[gbhibby]

And how are you supposed to know that?
The signage is a big clue doh.

[MWHIBBIES]

There’s a sign as you drive in telling you that’s it’s private property and there’s no parking.

Well, if OP ignored that then fine. He should expect some sort of ticket, not vandalism.

[Northernhibee]

Well, if OP ignored that then fine. He should expect some sort of ticket, not vandalism.

I think the wardens would relish the opportunity to dish one out.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm not ignorant enough to park in private parking but maybe a note on the car windscreen would have been suffice

[eastterrace]

I think the wardens would relish the opportunity to dish one out.
How would a warden know which car is allowed to park there, they wouldn’t have a list so it’s just a sign trying to scare you not to park there. It’s like we’re I stay it says private parking only but nobody knows who’s car is who’s.

[Killiehibbie]

One of those poles that are held up by a lock for each private space, problem solved.

[gbhibby]

i'm not ignorant enough to park in private parking but maybe a note on the car windscreen would have been suffice
Maybe that had been tried, have seen people look at notes on windscreens and crumple them up and throw them on the ground. I had a flat with a parking space near to the ground a number of years ago and tried that approach. The actions have had the desired effect he won't park there again.

[gbhibby]

One of those poles that are held up by a lock for each private space, problem solved.
Only able to do that if you own that space. Some blocks of flats will have a space for each flat but not designated.

[tamig]

A Sunblest loaf would have been better than wet wipes. 😊

I never got the Bethlehem connection with that estate. There should definitely have been a bread related nod to the past when it was named v

[Jamesie]

I never got the Bethlehem connection with that estate. There should definitely have been a bread related nod to the past when it was named v

Apparently there actually is - it was named by the Reverend Ewen Aitken, a Councillor in the local area, and Bethlehem is said to mean "House of Bread" in Hebrew!

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Just a heads up - I've parked at Bethlehem Way before matches for the last few seasons but came back on Tuesday night to find what felt like a mix of vegetable oil / ketchup on my car door handles.

It was a nightmare to get rid of and if we hadn't had wet wipes in the car it would have been a real mess.

Not sure what was behind it but one or two other cars seem to have been done as well. Not sure what was behind it but think I'll be parking elsewhere for the Aberdeen game.

Were 3-2 Wisemen seen shuffling around pointing towards the direction of the Scottish Cup?

[Killiehibbie]

Apparently there actually is - it was named by the Reverend Ewen Aitken, a Councillor in the local area, and Bethlehem is said to mean "House of Bread" in Hebrew!

I had heard before that it meant House Of War. it seems it means War and Piece.

[gbhibby]

Apparently there actually is - it was named by the Reverend Ewen Aitken, a Councillor in the local area, and Bethlehem is said to mean "House of Bread" in Hebrew!
In Arabic it means "House of Meat" with all this talk of bread and meat I think I will make myself a sandwich. I know where to go to get some ketchup and oil to put on it.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I had heard before that it meant House Of War. it seems it means War and Piece.



can't beat a good sandwich :greengrin

[pollution]

can't beat a good sandwich :greengrin



...but only in daylight. Something not right about a sandwich at night.

[tamig]

Apparently there actually is - it was named by the Reverend Ewen Aitken, a Councillor in the local area, and Bethlehem is said to mean "House of Bread" in Hebrew!

Cheers - never knew that. So House of Bread in Hebrew and House of Meat in Arabic.

[hibbysam]

Anyone vandalising a car is a ****bag, let alone vandalising it for someone having the audacity to park in a space they happen to stay beside.

[Just Alf]

Anyone vandalising a car is a ****bag, let alone vandalising it for someone having the audacity to park in a space they happen to stay beside.Agree with your 1st bit...

2nd bit should read "someone having the audacity to park in a space they happen to own"

[J-C]

How would a warden know which car is allowed to park there, they wouldn’t have a list so it’s just a sign trying to scare you not to park there. It’s like we’re I stay it says private parking only but nobody knows who’s car is who’s.


We have private offroad parking and we apply for a resident parking permit which is displayed, it's patrolled by a private parking company, unfortunately private parking tickets are not worth the paper they're written on due to Scottish law but it should still deter the majority.

Maybe the residents can come out during games and tell people to get lost but why should they.

[wookie70]

One of those poles that are held up by a lock for each private space, problem solved. They probably aren't private as in allocated and owned but first come first serve and a right to use for residents or owned in common.

They have lost any rights they had to the road as it has been adopted (https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/directory-record/1369520/bethlehem-way)Hibs fans have as much right to park on the road as residents

[gbhibby]

We have private offroad parking and we apply for a resident parking permit which is displayed, it's patrolled by a private parking company, unfortunately private parking tickets are not worth the paper they're written on due to Scottish law but it should still deter the majority.

Maybe the residents can come out during games and tell people to get lost but why should they.
No matter how many signs you put up from past experience people will ignore them. Went along the clamping route a number of years ago but were told we could not do it. People like the OP should read the signs and obey them they are there for a reason. Have noticed near Murrayfield barriers put up and security manning the barriers on some the areas with flats. At least the OP has now got the message.

[J-C]

No matter how many signs you put up from past experience people will ignore them. Went along the clamping route a number of years ago but were told we could not do it. People like the OP should read the signs and obey them they are there for a reason. Have noticed near Murrayfield barriers put up and security manning the barriers on some the areas with flats. At least the OP has now got the message.


Yes they do that during internationals in places like Guardianswood and Wallace Gds on Ellersley Rd.

[wookie70]

No matter how many signs you put up from past experience people will ignore them. Went along the clamping route a number of years ago but were told we could not do it. People like the OP should read the signs and obey them they are there for a reason. Have noticed near Murrayfield barriers put up and security manning the barriers on some the areas with flats. At least the OP has now got the message.

What if the signs aren't accurate. They aren't in this case for on street parking but are for off street parking

[gbhibby]

They probably aren't private as in allocated and owned but first come first serve and a right to use for residents or owned in common.

They have lost any rights they had to the road as it has been adopted (https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/directory-record/1369520/bethlehem-way)Hibs fans have as much right to park on the road as residents
The residents need to talk to the council to get a no parking signs for when games are on. See them on other streets around the stadium, but as we all know people will ignore them.

[hibbysam]

Agree with your 1st bit...

2nd bit should read "someone having the audacity to park in a space they happen to own"

I don’t think any the spaces in that block are owned by individuals, although I may be wrong. Used to park there in it’s early days and nobody said a word

[wookie70]

The residents need to talk to the council to get a no parking signs for when games are on. See them on other streets around the stadium, but as we all know people will ignore them.

I'd be all for that for spaces they may have some form of right or ownership but why would Hibs fans not be allowed to park legally on the roads in that estate

[gbhibby]

What if the signs aren't accurate. They aren't in this case for on street parking but are for off street parking
From talking to people who live there people will park in the spaces and also on the road making access difficult. There is an issue that there are more residents cars than parking spaces.

[lord bunberry]

I'd be all for that for spaces they may have some form of right or ownership but why would Hibs fans not be allowed to park legally on the roads in that estate
The whole estate is private property, it is owned by the residents, if there’s any damage it’s the residents who have to pay, the roads belong to the residents and they all have to pay for a factoring company for the upkeep. I don’t know where you’re getting the idea that some of it is fair game for anyone to park from.

[lord bunberry]

I don’t think any the spaces in that block are owned by individuals, although I may be wrong. Used to park there in it’s early days and nobody said a word
Would you mind if someone came and parked on your drive or in your parking space? It’s totally ****ty, self entitled behaviour to park in peoples private car park.

[gbhibby]

I'd be all for that for spaces they may have some form of right or ownership but why would Hibs fans not be allowed to park legally on the roads in that estate
The residents need to follow what the people in Murrayfield do get the barriers put up.

[hibbysam]

Would you mind if someone came and parked on your drive or in your parking space? It’s totally ****ty, self entitled behaviour to park in peoples private car park.

Nowhere near as bad as vandalising someone’s car that’s for sure. Someone had the cheek to park in my drive I’d shut the gates and kindly remind them when they came begging to get out that it’s not their property.

[lord bunberry]

Nowhere near as bad as vandalising someone’s car that’s for sure. Someone had the cheek to park in my drive I’d shut the gates and kindly remind them when they came begging to get out that it’s not their property.
I’m not condoning vandalism. You’ve said you’ve parked in Bethlehem Way but you wouldn’t want someone parking in your drive, if you live in one of these estates it’s the same thing. I used to live in an estate near Easter Road and sometimes if I was working on a Saturday I’d come home and not have anywhere to park. I wanted to park my car in my space so I could go to the game, but I couldn’t because some other fan had parked there. I ended up parking right behind the guy so he couldn’t get out, he spent 20 minutes beeping his horn before calling the police, they came and told him there’s nothing they could do. I waited until he’d gone for the bus or whatever and I moved my car, he never parked there again.

[hibbysam]

I’m not condoning vandalism. You’ve said you’ve parked in Bethlehem Way but you wouldn’t want someone parking in your drive, if you live in one of these estates it’s the same thing. I used to live in an estate near Easter Road and sometimes if I was working on a Saturday I’d come home and not have anywhere to park. I wanted to park my car in my space so I could go to the game, but I couldn’t because some other fan had parked there. I ended up parking right behind the guy so he couldn’t get out, he spent 20 minutes beeping his horn before calling the police, they came and told him there’s nothing they could do. I waited until he’d gone for the bus or whatever and I moved my car, he never parked there again.

I did, to be fair it was fairly empty back then (into the left through the back), but spoke to residents back then and nobody batted an eyelid. Times change and out of towners come in as is there right and demand their space is their space. Just wouldn’t vandalise property, I’d just piss someone off that did it to the point they wouldn’t again. Like you said you did.

[wookie70]

From talking to people who live there people will park in the spaces and also on the road making access difficult. There is an issue that there are more residents cars than parking spaces. If you buy a flat where there are more flats than spaces that it next to a venue where over 10k people visit every other week and where the road is open parking for all then expect not to get a space sometimes

[Jamesie]

They probably aren't private as in allocated and owned but first come first serve and a right to use for residents or owned in common.

They have lost any rights they had to the road as it has been adopted (https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/directory-record/1369520/bethlehem-way)Hibs fans have as much right to park on the road as residents

Not all adopted though - that description only seems to cover the entrance to the development. Seems to me the best thing that could be done would be for double yellow lines to be painted at the entrance, although I know from experience that it can literally take years for the Clowncil to go through the relevant procedures for that to occur. It does strike me that you’d struggle to get an ambulance or fire engine through the build up of cars at that bit of Lochend Road / Bethlehem Way on match days.

[wookie70]

Not all adopted though - that description only seems to cover the entrance to the development. Seems to me the best thing that could be done would be for double yellow lines to be painted at the entrance, although I know from experience that it can literally take years for the Clowncil to go through the relevant procedures for that to occur. It does strike me that you’d struggle to get an ambulance or fire engine through the build up of cars at that bit of Lochend Road / Bethlehem Way on match days.That looks like the 11 spaces may be adopted too. I agree that nobody should park so emergency vehicle wouldn't be able to access but there are plenty streets in Edinburgh where roads up up with a single lane because of on street parking. No reason for double yellows imo

[hibbysam]

That looks like the 11 spaces may be adopted too. I agree that nobody should park so emergency vehicle wouldn't be able to access but there are plenty streets in Edinburgh where roads up up with a single lane because of on street parking. No reason for double yellows imo

15 by the looks of it. The 11 that faces you as you enter and the 2 x 2 spaces to the left and right. As soon as you go over the paths at either side (under the building on the left and over the path on the right) then it’s private.

[Just Alf]

I don’t think any the spaces in that block are owned by individuals, although I may be wrong. Used to park there in it’s early days and nobody said a wordThey are...there's the 15 spaces just as you go in are taken over by the council, the rest are collectively owned by the property owners... if you're not in one of the 15 spaces (originally earmarked for visitors) then you're using a privately owned space, effectively someone's driveway.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

There's always spaces to find within a 10-15 min walk to the stadium. No real need to park within areas that are designated permit holders or double yellow. In 25+ years never had a problem finding a parking space.

[Jones28]

If you buy a flat where there are more flats than spaces that it next to a venue where over 10k people visit every other week and where the road is open parking for all then expect not to get a space sometimes

Something I've never understood is people living near ER who take their car out in the 20 minutes before or after a match. Surely even if you cant stand football youd have the fixtures on your kitchen wall so you could try and plan around the matches.

Always seems to be cars pushing against the crowds on the way to games.

[Peanut Shaz]

Something I've never understood is people living near ER who take their car out in the 20 minutes before or after a match. Surely even if you cant stand football youd have the fixtures on your kitchen wall so you could try and plan around the matches.

Always seems to be cars pushing against the crowds on the way to games.

Its not always through choice. My Daughter lives in Hawkhill Close and is a nurse. She has no option but to leave around 7/7.15 on a night game due to her shift pattern.

[Jamesie]

Not all adopted though - that description only seems to cover the entrance to the development. Seems to me the best thing that could be done would be for double yellow lines to be painted at the entrance, although I know from experience that it can literally take years for the Clowncil to go through the relevant procedures for that to occur. It does strike me that you’d struggle to get an ambulance or fire engine through the build up of cars at that bit of Lochend Road / Bethlehem Way on match days.

I drove along Lochend Road this morning and spotted that double yellow lines were being painted on the road leading into the development. Need to think of a Plan B for match day now.

[bingo70]

I drove along Lochend Road this morning and spotted that double yellow lines were being painted on the road leading into the development. Need to think of a Plan B for match day now.

Absolutely no need for double yellow’s there, that’s being done out of sheer badness 😂

The war on motorists continues.

[Frazerbob]

Absolutely no need for double yellow’s there, that’s being done out of sheer badness 😂

The war on motorists continues.

Double yellows are definitely required. When folk park on the entrance road they make it impossible for emergency vehicle to access the development.

[SHODAN]

Absolutely no need for double yellow’s there, that’s being done out of sheer badness 😂

The war on motorists continues.

Buses were being diverted away from Lochend Road because the sheer number of parked cars meant they couldn't get through.

[Pete70]

Buses were being diverted away from Lochend Road because the sheer number of parked cars meant they couldn't get through.

It’s Lochend Drive. The current diversion route for the #25 via Marionville Rd & Restalrig Road South is being made permanent next month.