Crosses

[SteveHFC]

Hopefully the new gaffer will teach them how to defend ****ing crosses.

[Golden Bear]

Hopefully the new gaffer will teach them how to defend ****ing crosses.

Hopefully he'll work on the prevention of crosses coming in at all.

[Iain G]

Hopefully the new gaffer will teach them how to defend ****ing crosses.

Yeah they should be getting crucified for it

[eastterrace]

Yip the old failing came back to haunt us again. St.mirren barely in the game and they score with their 2nd decent chance, but would have took a point to stop the rot.

[hibee1875]

Goodwin in his post match comments saying it’s not secrets Hibs can’t defend crosses so we targeted that.

It’s an embarrassment. It’s been going on for far too long.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Goodwin in his post match comments saying it’s not secrets Hibs can’t defend crosses so we targeted that.

It’s an embarrassment. It’s been going on for far too long.


wonder when someone at ER will finally cotton on

[Juniper Greens]

We were the best in the league last season. Didn't concede a single header.
Did in the final however, when a different keeper was used...that's where I think the issue is coming from

[HibeeSince85]

We were the best in the league last season. Didn't concede a single header.
Did in the final however, when a different keeper was used...that's where I think the issue is coming from

Has to be. He's not a bad keeper but when he plays we are vulnerable to conceding from crosses.

[hibsbollah]

Has to be. He's not a bad keeper but when he plays we are vulnerable to conceding from crosses.

That would only make sense if anyone could point to any mistakes he’s actually made in recent games, or positioning that he could reasonably expect to have improved.

It’s like saying the Asian tsunami and pearl harbour both happened on a Sunday, so there ‘has to be’ something dangerous about Sundays.

The problem is stopping the supply of crosses. Keep allowing them and you concede eventually, Goodwinsaid as much. The poor guy is a sitting duck.

[hibby rae]

That would only make sense if anyone could point to any mistakes he’s actually made in recent games, or positioning that he could reasonably expect to have improved.

It’s like saying the Asian tsunami and pearl harbour both happened on a Sunday, so there ‘has to be’ something dangerous about Sundays.

The problem is stopping the supply of crosses. Keep allowing them and you concede eventually, Goodwinsaid as much. The poor guy is a sitting duck.

I think there can be an issue of Macey coming for the ball in some games. So I'm not sure he commands his box well some of the time.

I'd say the second (I think) goal at Ibrox is an example of one where he should have come for the ball.

[hibsbollah]

I think there can be an issue of Macey coming for the ball in some games. So I'm not sure he commands his box well some of the time.

I'd say the second (I think) goal at Ibrox is an example of one where he should have come for the ball.

Fair enough, we all see things differently sometimes. I just think it’s interesting on a day like today with a strong swirling wind when he came and took cross after cross really well high ball after high ball and made a really decent save or two as well, he’s yet again being criticised for not really making any mistakes :dunno:

Almost like our outfield players aren’t making five or six a game at the moment.

[hibby rae]

Fair enough, we all see things differently sometimes. I just think it’s interesting on a day like today with a strong swirling wind when he came and took cross after cross really well high ball after high ball and made a really decent save or two as well, he’s yet again being criticised for not really making any mistakes :dunno:

Almost like our outfield players aren’t making five or six a game at the moment.

I think, to me anyway, he's inconsistent in that regard. I remember in the 1-0 St Johnstone game he was coming for everything, but then other games he stays on his line. Could be a confidence thing?

[hibsbollah]

I think, to me anyway, he's inconsistent in that regard. I remember in the 1-0 St Johnstone game he was coming for everything, but then other games he stays on his line. Could be a confidence thing?

I think if he has a weakness it’s a lack of consistency in decision making, I’d agree with that. Hopefully if that’s down to communication with his defence, a new coach can help with that.

[Shrekko]

I think if he has a weakness it’s a lack of consistency in decision making, I’d agree with that. Hopefully if that’s down to communication with his defence, a new coach can help with that.

I agree with this - I’m a big fan of Macey and think he has done virtually nothing wrong but as somebody has said already, he really commands his box some games but other times he’s prone to being on his line.

The criticism of him has been ridiculous and people are now saying it must have something to do with him (losing goals from crosses) with very few, if any, examples of times he’s done anything wrong.

If people are suggesting that Marciano was somehow commanding his box then they must be kidding.

[hibbysam]

When questioning Macey, has anyone actually watched todays goal? There can be no doubt he’s not coming for that cross, it’s miles out, it’s low, it’s a pointless discussion. Cadden (?) gets pinned so doesn’t get to the ball quick enough, when he does he doesn’t do enough to block it, our two centre halves are too far apart, McGregor gives him a run instead of blocking him, and lastly it’s a ****ing outstanding finish from a centre half.

We defend so many crosses well, but we allow so many that inevitably one is going to end up a goal. We don’t work hard enough to help each other out and we are poor 1 v 1.

[hibsbollah]

When questioning Macey, has anyone actually watched todays goal? There can be no doubt he’s not coming for that cross, it’s miles out, it’s low, it’s a pointless discussion. Cadden (?) gets pinned so doesn’t get to the ball quick enough, when he does he doesn’t do enough to block it, our two centre halves are too far apart, McGregor gives him a run instead of blocking him, and lastly it’s a ****ing outstanding finish from a centre half.

We defend so many crosses well, but we allow so many that inevitably one is going to end up a goal. We don’t work hard enough to help each other out and we are poor 1 v 1.

:agree:

[B.H.F.C]

We were the best in the league last season. Didn't concede a single header.
Did in the final however, when a different keeper was used...that's where I think the issue is coming from

It’s a really dramatic change, in terms of the way we are conceding this season compared to last. I’m inclined to agree that it must have played some part as he’s been the only real change. Not necessarily for today’s goal but don’t know if it could be down to communication, organisation or something like that.

[inglisavhibs]

When questioning Macey, has anyone actually watched todays goal? There can be no doubt he’s not coming for that cross, it’s miles out, it’s low, it’s a pointless discussion. Cadden (?) gets pinned so doesn’t get to the ball quick enough, when he does he doesn’t do enough to block it, our two centre halves are too far apart, McGregor gives him a run instead of blocking him, and lastly it’s a ****ing outstanding finish from a centre half.

We defend so many crosses well, but we allow so many that inevitably one is going to end up a goal. We don’t work hard enough to help each other out and we are poor 1 v 1.
Yesterday was easy, Darren lost his man as he would readily admit. A big percentage of goals everywhere come from crosses of some sort, it’s allowing opponents
time to pick out a player that good teams try to avoid. Even in the Rangers, Hearts game today there could easily have been half a dozen goals from crosses.

[The 90+2]

Macey isn’t good enough if we are being honest.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Something’s changed. It’s a bit route one to blame the keeper - he may have a part in it but when I watch the goals back I wonder what the marking system is. Our best defenders seem to be awol while we have full backs defending the crosses. Seems a bit arse for elbow.

[Smartie]

Something’s changed. It’s a bit route one to blame the keeper - he may have a part in it but when I watch the goals back I wonder what the marking system is. Our best defenders seem to be awol while we have full backs defending the crosses. Seems a bit arse for elbow.

Particularly when you think back to the start of last season. Our defensive record was spectacular for a couple of months.

The fullbacks didn't stop every cross - occasionally they came in - but it felt like Hanlon and Porteous were dunting everything away that came in.

I'm not pointing fingers at anyone here other than to agree with your point - something has changed, and I haven't got a clue what it is.

[hibby rae]

Not sure how many goals conceded have came through set pieces, but I'd say Doidge being missing has also had an impact as he can be very useful in those situations.

[Steven79]

It’s a really dramatic change, in terms of the way we are conceding this season compared to last. I’m inclined to agree that it must have played some part as he’s been the only real change. Not necessarily for today’s goal but don’t know if it could be down to communication, organisation or something like that.It's definitely communication as I watched the defense very closely against Motherwell and they seemed to be all over the place.

Remember the goal Rangers scored against us in the semi? Was purely down to a lack of communication between keeper and defence.

Macey needs to command his box and boss his defence more.

Many of the failings at Hibs were the same kind of failings that Jack suffered at Sunderland as the defence was shocking near the end of the season and cost them promotion and a cup final.

Sounds familiar...


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[Brightside]

Almost every team loses goals from crossing but even with that we have seen a real down turn in our ability to defend them since last year. I’ve no idea who is coaching the defensive side of our game now but it’s not working. Marv publishes a lot of his training now and I’ve been impressed with the focus they have on the defensive side of the game. We need that at Hibs.

[Nicho87]

The fact it never improved when other managers are now coming out saying it’s our downfall - will pundits not pick up on that and maybe realise that’s on our ex manager to prevent that. Or is it horrible hibs again

[Unseen work]

The issue with crosses in open play is you can never replicate it fully.

Each cross, position and scenario will be slightly different.

If you’re working on it and training it’s so much easier because it’s an isolated incident and you’re full concentrating.

When you go into a game you’re relying on players concentrating and doing their job properly for 90 minutes.

Saturday was McGregor losing his man, you can’t do anything about that as a coach.

[Unseen work]

Almost every team loses goals from crossing but even with that we have seen a real down turn in our ability to defend them since last year. I’ve no idea who is coaching the defensive side of our game now but it’s not working. Marv publishes a lot of his training now and I’ve been impressed with the focus they have on the defensive side of the game. We need that at Hibs.

I agree that it does look good when he posts it however I think that’s just when it comes off. They will have conceded plenty good goals this season.

Hibs will do the same analysis and training but just don’t publish it. Maybe if we did fans would start thinking we defend 90% of crosses well.

For me the issue is it’s too easy for the opposition to get into wide areas high up the pitch for me.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I agree that it does look good when he posts it however I think that’s just when it comes off. They will have conceded plenty good goals this season.

Hibs will do the same analysis and training but just don’t publish it. Maybe if we did fans would start thinking we defend 90% of crosses well.

For me the issue is it’s too easy for the opposition to get into wide areas high up the pitch for me.

Livi have conceded more goals than us this season.

[Brightside]

I agree that it does look good when he posts it however I think that’s just when it comes off. They will have conceded plenty good goals this season.

Hibs will do the same analysis and training but just don’t publish it. Maybe if we did fans would start thinking we defend 90% of crosses well.

For me the issue is it’s too easy for the opposition to get into wide areas high up the pitch for me.

That’s exactly the issue. You have to stop the movement further up the pitch. Any ball that’s comes in gives the oppo team a chance to score.

[Brightside]

Livi have conceded more goals than us this season.

But not in the last few weeks? So maybe they are figuring out how to reduce those chances? I don’t think playing 2 CDMs help us tbh. Both are too narrow to effect those areas.

[JimBHibees]

Almost every team loses goals from crossing but even with that we have seen a real down turn in our ability to defend them since last year. I’ve no idea who is coaching the defensive side of our game now but it’s not working. Marv publishes a lot of his training now and I’ve been impressed with the focus they have on the defensive side of the game. We need that at Hibs.

Where does he publish this would be interested to see?

[hibsbollah]

Something’s changed. It’s a bit route one to blame the keeper - he may have a part in it but when I watch the goals back I wonder what the marking system is. Our best defenders seem to be awol while we have full backs defending the crosses. Seems a bit arse for elbow.

I asked this before on another thread, what are the instructions? Are we man or zone or a hybrid of the two, or is it as simple as it’s zonal for set pieces and man when defending in open play or against a quick break?