Mikey nails it

[The 90+2]

I think Hibs chief Gordon has hit panic button by sacking Jack Ross - he best have a plan up his sleeve, says Stewart (thescottishsun.co.uk) (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/8136883/hibs-chief-gordon-panic-button-jack-ross-plan-stewart/)

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

I was intrigued up to the Sun bit and then it was nah....

[The 90+2]

I was intrigued up to the Sun bit and then it was nah....

I WAS part of an unhappy Hibs team that wanted the manager out before a cup final.
But I look at this current side and suspect that’s the LAST thing these guys were looking for this week.


Which leads me to ask why on earth would Ron Gordon and Ben Kensell axe Jack Ross now? (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/8128680/jack-ross-sacked-hibs-cup-final-celtic/)
Either there is a grand plan in place behind the scenes at Hibs (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/team/14943/hibernian/)that we don’t know about, or — and this seems more likely — they have pressed the panic button on the back of a bad run.
For the life of me, I just don’t get the thinking behind it.
Look, I know there are times when a manager HAS to go. There are even rare cases where clubs are actually too loyal and wait too long to take action.


But this one? I’m at a loss because it makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Ross came in and instantly took them up the table because they were dropping at the time.
In his first full season he got them to third and the Scottish Cup final. That was just six months ago.


The Easter Road hierarchy even extended Ross’ contract through to the summer of 2024 on the back of that.
So for them to drop him like a stone after their first sticky spell is utter madness.
Sure, they are struggling at the moment. Over the past two months their league results have been nowhere near good enough.
But Ross had credit in the bank because of all the things I listed above.


He should have got the chance to work through the blip. They should have believed in him.
And to not give him the cup final is simply staggering.
Hibs are not in danger of being dragged into a relegation battle. They are genuinely far too good for that.
Surely the thing to do was get through to the winter break and reassess things then?


Don’t forget that in amongst that bad period they smashed Rangers in a semi-final.
Now they could go into the final with David Gray, who has yet to take a game, as interim manager.
That can’t sit right with the players, who must surely be shattered at this turn of events.
It was different when I was at the club back in 2007.
Tony Mowbray had left, John Collins came in and the changing room was in mutiny. We all wanted Mark Proctor, who had been Mowbray’s No 2, to come in and steady the ship.
Everybody knows we spoke to the chairman before that final. We were adamant Collins had to go, but they still stuck with him.
But there is no way Ross had lost that changing room. They’re just going through a bad spell.
Hibs strike me as a strange club right now.


Up until this week I thought they had a top manager and a good squad with room for improvement.
They have kept hold of their top players who had attracted attention from elsewhere.
And they have spent the last few months signing up as many of their players as possible.
Christian Doidge, Josh Doig, Jake Doyle-Hayes, Paul Hanlon are just some who have agreed new terms.

They have got to numerous semi-finals and finals over the past couple of seasons.
Last season under Ross they finished third in the league for the first time in 15 years.
All the foundations appeared to be in place for the club to build on those achievements.
And yet the fans aren’t happy! So I keep thinking, ‘What am I not seeing here?’ I don’t get it.


Could they not see Ross put together a good team? That they were well coached under him.
Yes, you still want more. They have had disappointments, but those came at the top end.
By that I mean losing in finals, being knocked out of Europe. But you still have to get there.
And make no mistake, that’s exactly what Gordon and Kensell will expect the next man to do.


They’ll look for someone to get them to semi-finals, have them challenging for Europe.
Someone who can develop their good young players so they can eventually sell them on.

Sorry, is that not the profile of the man they have just binned? Who are they going to get in that is better than Jack Ross?


If they put someone in place soon, then it will suggest Gordon and Kensell already had a plan up their sleeve.
And that person will walk into a very good position precisely because of the job Ross did.
If they don’t? It will make this week’s events look like even more of a knee-jerk reaction.
What’s clear is by axing Ross, Gordon and Kensell have just dug themselves an almighty hole.


How they fill it will tell us a lot about just what direction Hibs are heading in under their leadership.

[madhatter]

Michael Stewart nails it? Must be based on all his knowledge of being a football manager or a successful entrepreneur...

[B.H.F.C]

Nice reference to wanting the manager out before a cup final. Which we won 5-1’with him on the bench.

[bingo70]

I think Hibs chief Gordon has hit panic button by sacking Jack Ross - he best have a plan up his sleeve, says Stewart (thescottishsun.co.uk) (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/8136883/hibs-chief-gordon-panic-button-jack-ross-plan-stewart/)

I’ve seen more of Hubs this season than Michael Stewart I’m sure and I completely get it.

When he’s watched Hibs he’s been paid for the privilege, would he return his wage and then pay £30 to watch them? I woudnt.

He’s perfectly entitled to his opinion and I don’t have a great beef with what he says, I just disagree with him.

[LaMotta]

I agree with him. I hope I'm wrong.

[bigwheel]

Michael Stewart nails it? Must be based on all his knowledge of being a football manager or a successful entrepreneur...

entrepreneur…ffs - does that help you make good decision around football managers now ?

I’d trust Mikey Stewart’s opinion on the footballing side of our team, more than those who are making decisions for us these days.


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[Callum_62]

Michael Stewart nails it? Must be based on all his knowledge of being a football manager or a successful entrepreneur...More likey his knowledge of being, you know,. A professional football player

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[NORTHERNHIBBY]

For the next few weeks we will be news for the sake of news. Mikey Stewart is rolling out an angle that works for himself rather than for our club. Agreeing or ignoring is absolutely fine, but let's not hang the future of our club on what he says.

[LaMotta]

entrepreneur…ffs - does that help you make good decision around football managers now ?

I’d trust Mikey Stewart’s opinion on the footballing side of our team, more than those who are making decisions for us these days.


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Better to trust the opinion of Ron Gordon, a man whose influence sold my parents an Atari ST in the late 1980's:wink:

[B.H.F.C]

I’ve seen more of Hubs this season than Michael Stewart I’m sure and I completely get it.

When he’s watched Hibs he’s been paid for the privilege, would he return his wage and then pay £30 to watch them? I woudnt.

He’s perfectly entitled to his opinion and I don’t have a great beef with what he says, I just disagree with him.

Yep. It doesn’t really matter if Michael Stewart doesn’t get it, it’s all the missing fans that we need to convince.

FWIW, there will hardly be a pundit who agrees with this decision. Scottish football is a wee world and they all stick together.

[California-Hibs]

Agree with him too. Can't quite believe we've done this after his first sticky spell. The whole thing is incredibly strange, honestly can't remember a sacking ever like this. Timing, achievements accomplished at the club etc it is so so out of character, and especially Ron Gordons who made you feel he genuinely was backing Jack.

I hope to God he has an ace up his sleeve and we aren't all at each others throats in 5 months wishing we could go back in time and erase this mistake..

[bigwheel]

Better to trust the opinion of Ron Gordon, a man whose influence sold my parents an Atari ST in the late 1980's:wink:

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[gaz1875]

Nice reference to wanting the manager out before a cup final. Which we won 5-1’with him on the bench.

Exactly.

It's no wonder some of the players were right behind Ross, they were first pick every week when underperforming. Maybe if they had just shown a bit more effort closing down players, pushing forward from midfield and bursting a gut to get into the penalty area he would still be here.

[bingo70]

Yep. It doesn’t really matter if Michael Stewart doesn’t get it, it’s all the missing fans that we need to convince.

FWIW, there will hardly be a single pundit who agree with this decision. Scottish football is a wee world and they all stick together.

Wait till we appoint a Johnny Foreigner as manager while managers like Brian Rice were available and could have got the job. That won’t go down well with the pundits.

If we end up appointing a run of the mill Scottish manager like Mcinnes or McPake then I’ll hold my hands up and agree with Stewart. I don’t think we will though and I think there is a plan here.

[LaMotta]

[emoji1787][emoji1787]

To be fair to Ron, his sales prowess got me addicted to Tracksuit Manager, and I remember winning Euro 88 with a goal by Keith Houchen in the final when many managers wouldn't have even considered the lanky ******* for a place in the squad. He might want to interview me.

[madhatter]

entrepreneur…ffs - does that help you make good decision around football managers now ?

I’d trust Mikey Stewart’s opinion on the footballing side of our team, more than those who are making decisions for us these days.


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Right, so our successful businessman owner should probably use Michael Stewart as a recruitment advisor then? A Jambo that has more than once struggled to hide his smirk when discussing our struggles. He's entitled his opinion. Scary to think how easy it is to turn people against the club.

Based on tonight I think we've got more Jack Ross supporters than Hibs supporters.

[LaMotta]

Right, so our successful businessman owner should probably use Michael Stewart as a recruitment advisor then? A Jambo that has more than once struggled to hide his smirk when discussing our struggles. He's entitled his opinion. Scary to think how easy it is to turn people against the club.

Based on tonight I think we've got more Jack Ross supporters than Hibs supporters.

I played in the same team as Michael as a youngster and also went to school with him. I can say with some conviction that whilst he grew up a Jambo, he has as much if not more affinity with Hibs as he does with Hearts now - I know he will be speaking the truth as he sees it so don't think he will be saying that with a smirk.

[madhatter]

More likey his knowledge of being, you know,. A professional football player

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Which is knowledge that is almost absolutely useless when hiring a football manager for a football club you own.

Typical pundit, write and talk stuff to create interest. Nothing to do with enlightening people.

[madhatter]

I played in the same team as Michael as a youngster and also went to school with him. I can say with some conviction that whilst he grew up a Jambo, he has as much if not more affinity with Hibs as he does with Hearts now - I know he will be speaking the truth as he sees it so don't think he will be saying that with a smirk.

What's with the smirks he does when asked about Hibs struggling then? He comes across excited when talking about us in trouble.

[Mikey_1875]

He makes some decent points regarding the timing if there isn’t anyone immediately in place but why does he need to have a pop at the fans as if we are not educated enough to realise how “good” we have had it. It seems a common theme in the media that we shouldn’t hold our club to high expectations. If we finished third last season and have kept pretty much all of the players why shouldn’t we expect the same this season.

It just smacks of a pundit who watched the odd game and highlights and hasn’t seen some of the performances that fans who watch week in week out have witnessed this season.

[bigwheel]

Right, so our successful businessman owner should probably use Michael Stewart as a recruitment advisor then? A Jambo that has more than once struggled to hide his smirk when discussing our struggles. He's entitled his opinion. Scary to think how easy it is to turn people against the club.

Based on tonight I think we've got more Jack Ross supporters than Hibs supporters.

Stewart is most often balanced and unbiased in his views - he has articulated what lots of fans think .

Many people are sore about the decision sure - Ross will be hard to better in my view . I’d equally say many people are blindly supporting Gordon, because they wanted Ross gone . Trusting he has a plan . Time will tell.

[bigwheel]

What's with the smirks he does when asked about Hibs struggling then? He comes across excited when talking about us in trouble.

They are made up - in your mind

[madhatter]

They are made up - in your mind

Sure...

[LaMotta]

What's with the smirks he does when asked about Hibs struggling then? He comes across excited when talking about us in trouble.

I don't think that's the case mate. Sometime people's faces can give off the wrong impression. People think I'm a miserable ******* when they first meet me due to my lack of smiling, but in time they get to understand I'm ****in hilarious!

[The 90+2]

Right, so our successful businessman owner should probably use Michael Stewart as a recruitment advisor then? A Jambo that has more than once struggled to hide his smirk when discussing our struggles. He's entitled his opinion. Scary to think how easy it is to turn people against the club.

Based on tonight I think we've got more Jack Ross supporters than Hibs supporters.

Michael Stewart doesn't support Hearts. He did until he was about 12.

[madhatter]

Stewart is most often balanced and unbiased in his views - he has articulated what lots of fans think .

Many people are sore about the decision sure - Ross will be hard to better in my view . I’d equally say many people are blindly supporting Gordon, because they wanted Ross gone . Trusting he has a plan . Time will tell.

Right, so let me get this straight... People are sore that Jack Ross has left as they thought even though times were bad they are convinced he'd turn it round and also think we can't get any better. All this isn't blind faith...

People saying let's wait and see what happens are blindly supporting Gordon.

Good balanced take that is.

[madhatter]

Michael Stewart doesn't support Hearts. He did until he was about 12.

What team did he support at 13?

[The 90+2]

What's with the smirks he does when asked about Hibs struggling then? He comes across excited when talking about us in trouble.

He's passionate about Hibernian. :agree:

He hates Levein :agree:

He's entitled to his view as an ex playing, very respected pundit. I take his sincerity.

[The 90+2]

What team did he support at 13?

Manchester United.

[The 90+2]

Right, so let me get this straight... People are sore that Jack Ross has left as they thought even though times were bad they are convinced he'd turn it round and also think we can't get any better. All this isn't blind faith...

People saying let's wait and see what happens are blindly supporting Gordon.

Good balanced take that is.


It isn't blind faith saying we will get better?

Name a manager that has ever came into Hibernian Football Club, the season after we finish third in the league and improve us in your lifetime?

Just one?

[madhatter]

Manchester United.

Must be a Charlton Athletic man these days then?

[bigwheel]

Right, so let me get this straight... People are sore that Jack Ross has left as they thought even though times were bad they are convinced he'd turn it round and also think we can't get any better. All this isn't blind faith...

People saying let's wait and see what happens are blindly supporting Gordon.

Good balanced take that is.

That’s not what my post said - it made no such points .

Your original post said people seem to be Jack Ross fans rather than Hibs fans . I simply shared that it’s natural that some people are sore on the decision and I’m one of them.

And in the same way you see people standing up for Ross, there are others who are dogmatic in their support of Gordon . There’s two competing views bouncing around .

[The 90+2]

Must be a Charlton Athletic man these days then?


No, he still follows/supports Manchester United. :aok:

[Forza Fred]

I have never been in the ‘Ross Must Go!’ camp, but don’t agree with everything Mickey says either.

It’s simply not true that Hibs are too good to relegated.

The stats show that we are picking up points…or not picking up points…like a team heading for a relegation struggle.

Mickey may not see the likeness to the Butcher era..when the same thing was said…and we got relegated.

Time will tell if it was a ‘panic’ decision, but fitba is about results, and we were getting too many bad ones.

[bingo70]

It isn't blind faith saying we will get better?

Name a manager that has ever came into Hibernian Football Club, the season after we finish third in the league and improve us in your lifetime?

Just one?

But we’re not 3rd now?

The new manager doesn’t have to improve on 3rd, we’re 7th and plummeting, short term he needs to improve upon that. Longer term he needs to make us entertaining and that shouldn’t be difficult.

[Iggy Pope]

Even in amongst all the outlandish lists of bookies candidates we haven’t had Michael Stewart non MP showing up yet. It’s a sin he can’t get another job to add to whatever his current jobs are.

[madhatter]

It isn't blind faith saying we will get better?

Name a manager that has ever came into Hibernian Football Club, the season after we finish third in the league and improve us in your lifetime?

Just one?

I've never claimed we will get better. I hope we do. People are claiming with conviction that we won't get better.

I can barely name a manager that has stayed at Hibs for 2 seasons and had 2 good seasons on the bounce.

Games a bogey then. Jack Ross was it and we've blown it. Jeez, I've had a hard time on here often for being negative but this is getting ridiculous now.

Who would want the job? Michael Stewart is right. Ron Gordon hasn't got a clue and has just panicked...just absolute conjecture.

[The 90+2]

But we’re not 3rd now?

The new manager doesn’t have to improve on 3rd, we’re 7th and plummeting, short term he needs to improve upon that. Longer term he needs to make us entertaining and that shouldn’t be difficult.

We aren't. We finished 3rd for the first time since 2006 - it doesn't happen much.

The new manager needs to have us playing good football and top six minimum otherwise it's failure. Let's hope the guy (and not Ron Gordons son) has an idea who to bring in come January to assist this.

If Jack Ross got us top six this season playing rubbish football come May would it have been good enough? If not then it's not good enough for anything other than that for the new guy.

[onfire]

I WAS part of an unhappy Hibs team that wanted the manager out before a cup final.
But I look at this current side and suspect that’s the LAST thing these guys were looking for this week.


Which leads me to ask why on earth would Ron Gordon and Ben Kensell axe Jack Ross now? (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/8128680/jack-ross-sacked-hibs-cup-final-celtic/)
Either there is a grand plan in place behind the scenes at Hibs (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/team/14943/hibernian/)that we don’t know about, or — and this seems more likely — they have pressed the panic button on the back of a bad run.
For the life of me, I just don’t get the thinking behind it.
Look, I know there are times when a manager HAS to go. There are even rare cases where clubs are actually too loyal and wait too long to take action.


But this one? I’m at a loss because it makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Ross came in and instantly took them up the table because they were dropping at the time.
In his first full season he got them to third and the Scottish Cup final. That was just six months ago.


The Easter Road hierarchy even extended Ross’ contract through to the summer of 2024 on the back of that.
So for them to drop him like a stone after their first sticky spell is utter madness.
Sure, they are struggling at the moment. Over the past two months their league results have been nowhere near good enough.
But Ross had credit in the bank because of all the things I listed above.


He should have got the chance to work through the blip. They should have believed in him.
And to not give him the cup final is simply staggering.
Hibs are not in danger of being dragged into a relegation battle. They are genuinely far too good for that.
Surely the thing to do was get through to the winter break and reassess things then?


Don’t forget that in amongst that bad period they smashed Rangers in a semi-final.
Now they could go into the final with David Gray, who has yet to take a game, as interim manager.
That can’t sit right with the players, who must surely be shattered at this turn of events.
It was different when I was at the club back in 2007.
Tony Mowbray had left, John Collins came in and the changing room was in mutiny. We all wanted Mark Proctor, who had been Mowbray’s No 2, to come in and steady the ship.
Everybody knows we spoke to the chairman before that final. We were adamant Collins had to go, but they still stuck with him.
But there is no way Ross had lost that changing room. They’re just going through a bad spell.
Hibs strike me as a strange club right now.


Up until this week I thought they had a top manager and a good squad with room for improvement.
They have kept hold of their top players who had attracted attention from elsewhere.
And they have spent the last few months signing up as many of their players as possible.
Christian Doidge, Josh Doig, Jake Doyle-Hayes, Paul Hanlon are just some who have agreed new terms.

They have got to numerous semi-finals and finals over the past couple of seasons.
Last season under Ross they finished third in the league for the first time in 15 years.
All the foundations appeared to be in place for the club to build on those achievements.
And yet the fans aren’t happy! So I keep thinking, ‘What am I not seeing here?’ I don’t get it.


Could they not see Ross put together a good team? That they were well coached under him.
Yes, you still want more. They have had disappointments, but those came at the top end.
By that I mean losing in finals, being knocked out of Europe. But you still have to get there.
And make no mistake, that’s exactly what Gordon and Kensell will expect the next man to do.


They’ll look for someone to get them to semi-finals, have them challenging for Europe.
Someone who can develop their good young players so they can eventually sell them on.

Sorry, is that not the profile of the man they have just binned? Who are they going to get in that is better than Jack Ross?


If they put someone in place soon, then it will suggest Gordon and Kensell already had a plan up their sleeve.
And that person will walk into a very good position precisely because of the job Ross did.
If they don’t? It will make this week’s events look like even more of a knee-jerk reaction.
What’s clear is by axing Ross, Gordon and Kensell have just dug themselves an almighty hole.


How they fill it will tell us a lot about just what direction Hibs are heading in under their leadership.




That’s a hard read but can’t disagree with anything said….

[madhatter]

That’s not what my post said - it made no such points .

Your original post said people seem to be Jack Ross fans rather than Hibs fans . I simply shared that it’s natural that some people are sore on the decision and I’m one of them.

And in the same way you see people standing up for Ross, there are others who are dogmatic in their support of Gordon . There’s two competing views bouncing around .

You've done it again. "Standing up for Ross" vs "Dogmatic in their support of Gordon". Connotations are everything.

I'm sad that Hibs have had to change manager again. I'm sad that it's Jack Ross as well. It's strange I was glad when he came in but also sad when Hecky left as he seemed a great guy. No decent person in any walk of life wants to see good people suffer. Sadly football, especially modern football, is cutthroat. Many people including pundits seem to be harping back to the good old days.

[Smartie]

I've always found Mikey Stewart to be very reasonable when it comes to Hibs. He watches us reasonably often through his work and his opinion probably won't be clouded the same way it is for us fans.

Going by that article, he's probably not seen some of our more recent abject performances though, which have almost to have been seen to have been believed.

A few of my mates who support other teams have been sending me messages asking wtf is going on with Hibs - as the perception out there is still that we are a good team, and the results just haven't been reflecting that. The performances just haven't been reflective of that either.

[Hfc_Since1875]

That’s a hard read but can’t disagree with anything said….

I tend to agree

[bingo70]

We aren't. We finished 3rd for the first time since 2006 - it doesn't happen much.

The new manager needs to have us playing good football and top six minimum otherwise it's failure. Let's hope the guy (and not Ron Gordons son) has an idea who to bring in come January to assist this.

If Jack Ross got us top six this season playing rubbish football come May would it have been good enough? If not then it's not good enough for anything other than that for the new guy.

Looking at your bottom paragraph, no, it wouldn’t have been good enough and it won’t be for the new guy either.

In order to get crowds back to Easter road, there needs to be an entertaining team on the pitch. I’m delighted Ron gets that, even if a lot of fans and Michael Stewart don’t.

Finishing top 6 with scraping narrow 1-0 wins over the likes of St Johnstone won’t be enough to grow the club. We need to strive for better than that.

Is there an element of risk in emptying a relatively safe pair of hands? Of course there is but was there a risk to keeping such a boring manager? Yes, a huge risk as there was no indication whatsoever he would turn it round to the extent people would want to come and watch his team play.

If I was Ron Gordon I’d have sacked him too and I’ve certainly not got any ulterior motives like what is being suggested by some.

[Stuart93]

Agree with him too. Can't quite believe we've done this after his first sticky spell. The whole thing is incredibly strange, honestly can't remember a sacking ever like this. Timing, achievements accomplished at the club etc it is so so out of character, and especially Ron Gordons who made you feel he genuinely was backing Jack.

I hope to God he has an ace up his sleeve and we aren't all at each others throats in 5 months wishing we could go back in time and erase this mistake..

I’d also like to go back in time and erase the mistake of us only winning 1 game in 9 with 7 defeats in amongst it

[The Modfather]

We aren't. We finished 3rd for the first time since 2006 - it doesn't happen much.

The new manager needs to have us playing good football and top six minimum otherwise it's failure. Let's hope the guy (and not Ron Gordons son) has an idea who to bring in come January to assist this.

If Jack Ross got us top six this season playing rubbish football come May would it have been good enough? If not then it's not good enough for anything other than that for the new guy.

It’s all beginning to feel a bit like the cult of Neil Lennon. Folk are already positioning themselves so they can throw criticisms of Ross they didn’t like at the new guy.

[bigwheel]

You've done it again. "Standing up for Ross" vs "Dogmatic in their support of Gordon". Connotations are everything.

I'm sad that Hibs have had to change manager again. I'm sad that it's Jack Ross as well. It's strange I was glad when he came in but also sad when Hecky left as he seemed a great guy. No decent person in any walk of life wants to see good people suffer. Sadly football, especially modern football, is cutthroat. Many people including pundits seem to be harping back to the good old days.

What are you rambling on about ?

[Shrekko]

I’d also like to go back in time and erase the mistake of us only winning 1 game in 9 with 7 defeats in amongst it

Nobody is denying we have had a terrible run - most of us appreciate these things happen sometimes. And we did actually reach a cup final during that spell …. another achievement that apparently isn’t much to shout about these days. The fact he didn’t get a chance to win us the cup beggars belief in so many ways. I’m glad you’re happy though👍

[Libby Hibby]

Nobody is denying we have had a terrible run - most of us appreciate these things happen sometimes. And we did actually reach a cup final during that spell …. another achievement that apparently isn’t much to shout about these days. The fact he didn’t get a chance to win us the cup beggars belief in so many ways. I’m glad you’re happy though👍

Something needed to change if we have any chance of winning the cup, we were walking straight into a heavy, embarrassing defeat the way we were playing. I see also this as an intervention by the board to try to halt the slide we were also on in the league, as others had said, we were sleep walking to a relegation fight.

[bingo70]

Nobody is denying we have had a terrible run - most of us appreciate these things happen sometimes. And we did actually reach a cup final during that spell …. another achievement that apparently isn’t much to shout about these days. The fact he didn’t get a chance to win us the cup beggars belief in so many ways. I’m glad you’re happy though👍

I can’t speak for Stuart but I’ll be happy when I can enjoy going back to Easter road again. There was no sign of that happening under Ross as it very rarely happened under his management.

I missed the Ross County this game earlier this season as I was on holiday, I really can’t think of many games under Ross I enjoyed watching at Easter Road, including on tv last season.

[B.H.F.C]

Nobody is denying we have had a terrible run - most of us appreciate these things happen sometimes. And we did actually reach a cup final during that spell …. another achievement that apparently isn’t much to shout about these days. The fact he didn’t get a chance to win us the cup beggars belief in so many ways. I’m glad you’re happy though👍

Don’t think anybody is happy with how things have turned out. Nobody wants a Hibs manager to fail, despite what some might say.

Really can’t get my head round how his sacking beggars belief when you consider recent results plus the other factors that will have played a part.

[madhatter]

What are you rambling on about ?

Rather simple. You've used a positive phrase "standing up for" to describe one half of the divide and then used a negative one for the other "dogmatic support".

You're portraying one half as a caring bunch of sincere people hurting from the pain of losing a good leader. Determined to protect him as best they can. The other side are just a bunch of people who are convinced they are right about our owner and everyone else is wrong.

I'm fairly certain you knew the words you were using. Much like your use of "rambling".

[The 90+2]

Looking at your bottom paragraph, no, it wouldn’t have been good enough and it won’t be for the new guy either.

In order to get crowds back to Easter road, there needs to be an entertaining team on the pitch. I’m delighted Ron gets that, even if a lot of fans and Michael Stewart don’t.

Finishing top 6 with scraping narrow 1-0 wins over the likes of St Johnstone won’t be enough to grow the club. We need to strive for better than that.

Is there an element of risk in emptying a relatively safe pair of hands? Of course there is but was there a risk to keeping such a boring manager? Yes, a huge risk as there was no indication whatsoever he would turn it round to the extent people would want to come and watch his team play.

If I was Ron Gordon I’d have sacked him too and I’ve certainly not got any ulterior motives like what is being suggested by some.

Sound mate :aok:

[Shrekko]

I can’t speak for Stuart but I’ll be happy when I can enjoy going back to Easter road again. There was no sign of that happening under Ross as it very rarely happened under his management.

I missed the Ross County this game earlier this season as I was on holiday, I really can’t think of many games under Ross I enjoyed watching at Easter Road, including on tv last season.

I think people who are expecting something dramatic on the whole “enjoyment” front are in for a huge let down.

Modern football is boring - the Scottish version is diabolical. We were 3rd top scorers in the league last season.

I’m not even asking the question about all these enjoyable years people seem to have had that I missed bar the VERY occasional 6-12 months, the football on offer had been fairly diabolical by and large in my 40 years of going to games.

Being a non Old Firm fan is a tough life in Scotland - it’ll always be the same. If you love your club though you’ll support it if you can afford to …. or things get even worse.

[The 90+2]

Something needed to change if we have any chance of winning the cup, we were walking straight into a heavy, embarrassing defeat the way we were playing. I see also this as an intervention by the board to try to halt the slide we were also on in the league, as others had said, we were sleep walking to a relegation fight.


Like the Semi final against a better Hun side?

No we aren't. There's a transfer window to perhaps have backed the manager coming up instead of basing the whole thing on selling players that aren't worth the money.

Jack Ross has been ****ged rotten from the summer until now.

[MWHIBBIES]

I have never been in the ‘Ross Must Go!’ camp, but don’t agree with everything Mickey says either.

It’s simply not true that Hibs are too good to relegated.

The stats show that we are picking up points…or not picking up points…like a team heading for a relegation struggle.

Mickey may not see the likeness to the Butcher era..when the same thing was said…and we got relegated.

Time will tell if it was a ‘panic’ decision, but fitba is about results, and we were getting too many bad ones.

We're miles and miles better on the pitch personel wise than Butcher. We are too good to go down.

[Shrekko]

Don’t think anybody is happy with how things have turned out. Nobody wants a Hibs manager to fail, despite what some might say.

Really can’t get my head round how his sacking beggars belief when you consider recent results plus the other factors that will have played a part.

It beggars belief because we’ve got a cup final in a few days and the guy has got us into the last 2 as well as finishing 3rd.

I agree there were very worrying signs but it beggars belief in terms of what other Hibs managers got away with too.

Disagree that people didn’t want him to fail. That’s just my opinion though.- I really don’t subscribe to the old adage about nobody wanting people within the club to do badly because it’s so crystal clear that for a minority that’s clearly not the case. In this day and age people, mainly on social media, show their “love” for the club by openly hating everything about it.

[bingo70]

Don’t think anybody is happy with how things have turned out. Nobody wants a Hibs manager to fail, despite what some might say.

Really can’t get my head round how his sacking beggars belief when you consider recent results plus the other factors that will have played a part.

Exactly, I get why the timing is being questioned. It’s not common to sack a manager in the run up to a cup final but if you dig even a little deeper it makes complete sense.

We couldn’t win must win games against Ross county, Motherwell or Livingston, what makes people think we could beat a motivated Celtic side that would have been desperate to win silverware for a manager the players clearly love playing for?

I don’t doubt Jack Ross would have arrested the slide, we’d maybe even have made top 6. Thankfully our owner has greater ambitions than that, hopefully the players realise that now too. Didn’t seem like the message was getting through to them from the manager.

[Callum_62]

Which is knowledge that is almost absolutely useless when hiring a football manager for a football club you own.

Typical pundit, write and talk stuff to create interest. Nothing to do with enlightening people.You don't think being an ex pro gives you a good insight on how well or poorly a football manager is performing?

What knowledge would Ron Gordon have of hiring a football manager?



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[The 90+2]

I think people who are expecting something dramatic on the whole “enjoyment” front are in for a huge let down.

Modern football is boring - the Scottish version is diabolical. We were 3rd top scorers in the league last season.

I’m not even asking the question about all these enjoyable years people seem to have had that I missed big bar the VERY occasional 6-12 months, the football on offer had been fairly diabolical by and large in my 40 years of going to games.

Being a non Old Firm fan is a tough life in Scotland - it’ll always be the same. If you love your club though you’ll support it if you can afford to …. or things get even worse.


Where did it come from? Genuinely? Like I said it's like people have forgotten how ***** it's been before and how likely it will head that way again.

Unless Big Ron and his big screen party Ponys up and gets the money out we wont attract a better head coach than Jack Ross. If he does lets hope he's not expecting us to pay for his failures.

Who gets the blame for the new contract for Ross and Potts? Not Ben and his shambles he came into? Did he not to think a year he was in the job perhaps and not 3 months?

[bingo70]

I think people who are expecting something dramatic on the whole “enjoyment” front are in for a huge let down.

Modern football is boring - the Scottish version is diabolical. We were 3rd top scorers in the league last season.

I’m not even asking the question about all these enjoyable years people seem to have had that I missed bar the VERY occasional 6-12 months, the football on offer had been fairly diabolical by and large in my 40 years of going to games.

Being a non Old Firm fan is a tough life in Scotland - it’ll always be the same. If you love your club though you’ll support it if you can afford to …. or things get even worse.

What was your top 3 games at Easter road under jack Ross?

Hearts fans I know are enjoying going to Tynecastle just now so I don’t get why it’s unrealistic to expect us to enjoy our home games too?

[Stuart93]

What was your top 3 games at Easter road under jack Ross?

Hearts fans I know are enjoying going to Tynecastle just now so I don’t get why it’s unrealistic to expect us to enjoy our home games too?

It’s the usual pish tbh. Expected to turn up every week through blind faith.

Only have to go back a few years ago when everyone was enjoying what was on show and we were packing easter road out for most home games

Hearts have cut Rangers’ allocation and completely sold out because they’re enjoying what they’re seeing on the park

[bingo70]

It’s the usual pish tbh. Expected to turn up every week through blind faith.

Only have to go back a few years ago when everyone was enjoying what was on show and we were packing easter road out for most home games.

Sshhh know your place man…..

We finished 3rd last season. Be happy.

[B.H.F.C]

It beggars belief because we’ve got a cup final in a few days and the guy has got us into the last 2 as well as finishing 3rd.

I agree there were very worrying signs but it beggars belief in terms of what other Hibs managers got away with too.

Disagree that people didn’t want him to fail. That’s just my opinion though.- I really don’t subscribe to the old adage about nobody wanting people within the club to do badly because it’s so crystal clear that for a minority that’s clearly not the case. In this day and age people, mainly on social media, show their “love” for the club by openly hating everything about it.

What have other managers got away with (Terry Butcher aside when we were a total shambles)? He’s had longer than most(rightly because he’s done better than most).

The decision would have beggared belief if we were winning and/or playing well. Couple that with the fairly regular horror shows over his time, complete loss of discipline at the moment and the number of folk choosing not to go now, there was only going to be one outcome. It was just a case of when.

[LaMotta]

It beggars belief because we’ve got a cup final in a few days and the guy has got us into the last 2 as well as finishing 3rd.

I agree there were very worrying signs but it beggars belief in terms of what other Hibs managers got away with too.

Disagree that people didn’t want him to fail. That’s just my opinion though.- I really don’t subscribe to the old adage about nobody wanting people within the club to do badly because it’s so crystal clear that for a minority that’s clearly not the case. In this day and age people, mainly on social media, show their “love” for the club by openly hating everything about it.

:agree: Social media has ensured that few managers will ever last through a bad run now. It used to be that bad feelings about the manager would be highlighted once a month in a fanzine. Some of the stuff you read online about guys who have tried their hardest for the club is sad to read. Its why I don't want David Gray anywhere near the managers job. He wouldn't deserve the inevitable abuse.

[Shrekko]

What was your top 3 games at Easter road under jack Ross?

Hearts fans I know are enjoying going to Tynecastle just now so I don’t get why it’s unrealistic to expect us to enjoy our home games too?

That seems a bit of a deflection as I’ve never said it was thrills and spills under Jack Ross. We certainly got some very good results and were very rarely hopelessly outplayed up until recently. Even in the past month we put in 2 terrific performances against Rangers then St Johnstone.

Tell me about all these magnificent Hibs teams that you’ve enjoyed so much instead? In fact don’t bother - people just rewrite history to the point that some even claim the Alex Miller tenure was pretty good because we once had a decent forward line in the decade he was there.

How often does this magic wand of changing the guy who picks the team every week work? Usually our supposed good times are when we’re working our way back from the lowest depths!

[The 90+2]

What was your top 3 games at Easter road under jack Ross?

Hearts fans I know are enjoying going to Tynecastle just now so I don’t get why it’s unrealistic to expect us to enjoy our home games too?

They hated it last season though. Stuck by their manager and now enjoying it? Weird.

[Stuart93]

What have other managers got away with (Terry Butcher aside when we were a total shambles)? He’s had longer than most(rightly because he’s done better than most).

The decision would have beggared belief if we were winning and/or playing well. Couple that with the fairly regular horror shows over his time, complete loss of discipline at the moment and the number of folk choosing not to go now, there was only going to be one outcome. It was just a case of when.

It’s making no sense to me that some posters can’t for the life of them see why we’ve sacked JR. I agree that I was a bit surprised we actually done it but it’s easy to see why.

[Stuart93]

They hated it last season though. Stuck by their manager and now enjoying it? Weird.

They weren’t going to sack a manager who won them the championship were they ffs 😂

I must’ve missed RN’s run of losing 7/9 games and picking up 4 points in 27.

[madhatter]

You don't think being an ex pro gives you a good insight on how well or poorly a football manager is performing?

What knowledge would Ron Gordon have of hiring a football manager?


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No. I don't. Hate pundits, even if they are ex-players, talking about a manager's performance as if they have some great insight into the world of football management.

I talk rubbish on a fans forum. I'm not on TV or getting my views printed. I vent from a fans perspective.

These people profit from sharing an opinion about someone doing a job that they thenselves have never done. They should become a manager if they've got such an insight on it.

What knowledge does Ron Gordon have of hiring a football manager? None, we're doomed. We should chase him out the club, Michael Stewart should come in as DoF and we should re-hire Jack Ross.

[The 90+2]

It’s the usual pish tbh. Expected to turn up every week through blind faith.

Only have to go back a few years ago when everyone was enjoying what was on show and we were packing easter road out for most home games

Hearts have cut Rangers’ allocation and completely sold out because they’re enjoying what they’re seeing on the park


Hearts fans wanted their manager sacked emptied out the cup (we made the final of) by part timers. Drawing and losing at home off *****.

Now they are packing the stadium out under the same manager? Weird sticking by the guy eh?

Neilson never had Hearts finish 3rd in the Premiership either.

[MWHIBBIES]

Hearts fans wanted their manager sacked emptied out the cup (we made the final of) by part timers. Drawing and losing at home off *****.

Now they are packing the stadium out under the same manager? Weird sticking by the guy eh?

Neilson never had Hearts finish 3rd in the Premiership either.

He did, 16/17.

[Shrekko]

They weren’t going to sack a manager who won them the championship were they ffs 😂

I must’ve missed RN’s run of losing 7/9 games and picking up 4 points in 27.

Some Hearts fans wanted him out. Particularly after the Brora game.

[The 90+2]

They weren’t going to sack a manager who won them the championship were they ffs 😂

I must’ve missed RN’s run of losing 7/9 games and picking up 4 points in 27.


Oh, the mighty championship, now you mention it :greengrin

They lost in the Scottish Cup to part time *****, played ***** football, lost to gash. They stuck by the guy. Look now

A worse coach.

Jack got us third from relegation material, cup finals, another one. Bad few months and cheerio.

Don't expect ER to sell out anytime soon.

[Callum_62]

No. I don't. Hate pundits, even if they are ex-players, talking about a manager's performance as if they have some great insight into the world of football management.

I talk rubbish on a fans forum. I'm not on TV or getting my views printed. I vent from a fans perspective.

These people profit from sharing an opinion about someone doing a job that they thenselves have never done. They should become a manager if they've got such an insight on it.

What knowledge does Ron Gordon have of hiring a football manager? None, we're doomed. We should chase him out the club, Michael Stewart should come in as DoF and we should re-hire Jack Ross.

So to summarise the guy with the long career in professional football who's worked under countless managers day in day out has the same knowledge of football management as our owner who bought his first football club a few years ago

Which is none?

"What knowledge does Ron Gordon have of hiring a football manager? None... "

You could've stopped that paragraph there though.







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[Stuart93]

Oh, the mighty championship, now you mention it :greengrin

They lost in the Scottish Cup to part time *****, played ***** football, lost to gash. They stuck by the guy. Look now

A worse coach.

Jack got us third from relegation material, cup finals, another one. Bad few months and cheerio.

Don't expect ER to sell out anytime soon.

It certainly wasn’t going to sell out anytime soon under JR that’s for sure. Lost thousands on the gate because of the dire football on show.

[The 90+2]

He did, 16/17.


Didn't know that. Shows how much I cared when we arent there.

[bingo70]

That seems a bit of a deflection as I’ve never said it was thrills and spills under Jack Ross. We certainly got some very good results and were very rarely hopelessly outplayed up until recently. Even in the past month we put in 2 terrific performances against Rangers then St Johnstone.

Tell me about all these magnificent Hibs teams that you’ve enjoyed so much instead? In fact don’t bother - people just rewrite history to the posing that some even claim the Alex Miller tenure was pretty good because we once had a decent forward line in the decade he was there.

How often does this magic wand of changing the guy who picks the team every week work? Usually our supposed good times are when we’re working our way back from the lowest depths!

What are your 3 most enjoyable wins in home games under Jack Ross though?

He was there for 2 and a half years, there must be some that stand out?

In answer to your question I really enjoyed watching Tony Mowbreys hibs team, Alex McLeish’s, the second half of the season under Lennon when he signed Kamberi was excellent.

It’s not a home game but I remember being at Fir Park when we beat Motherwell 6-1 and being at Hampden when we beat Killie 5-1 in the league cup final, not to mention beating hearts 1-0 In the 81% derby all under Collins.

Even under Alex Miller I remember some enjoyable big home wins.

I’ve hated this period under Ross, I’m delighted he’s away and I’m happy our owner is more ambitious than a lot of our fans.

[The 90+2]

It certainly wasn’t going to sell out anytime soon under JR that’s for sure. Lost thousands on the gate because of the dire football on show.

So if the new manager comes in and doesn't play anything but dire football it's not going to change?

[Tobias Funke]

Michael Stewart is a ginger boaby.

[B.H.F.C]

It’s making no sense to me that some posters can’t for the life of them see why we’ve sacked JR. I agree that I was a bit surprised we actually done it but it’s easy to see why.

I totally get that some might not think it’s the correct call. But surely nobody can deny there was a strong argument for it to happen. Like you, I was quite shocked that we actually did it, but felt it had to happen.

[Stuart93]

So if the new manager comes in and doesn't play anything but dire football it's not going to change?

Probably not no.

Winning games and playing good football ala 2nd half of 17/18 season draws the crowds in.

[Shrekko]

What are your 3 most enjoyable wins in home games under Jack Ross though?

He was there for 2 and a half years, there must be some that stand out?

In answer to your question I really enjoyed watching Tony Mowbreys hibs team, Alex McLeish’s, the second half of the season under Lennon when he signed Kamberi was excellent.

It’s not a home game but I remember being at Fir Park when we beat Motherwell 6-1 and being at Hampden when we beat Killie 5-1 in the league cup final, not to mention beating hearts 1-0 In the 81% derby all under Collins.

Even under Alex Miller I remember some enjoyable big home wins.

I’ve hated this period under Ross, I’m delighted he’s away and I’m happy our owner is more ambitious than a lot of our fans.

So basically you’ve enjoyed a few very short periods of good football in a very long period of time?

You’ve ‘hated’ 2 years where we’ve been 3rd, reached 2 cup finals and 3 semis? Wow.

Not saying it was super exciting - Covid a huge factor too btw, but you are going to be difficult to keep satisfied.

Are some people just supporting the wrong club do you think?

[Stuart93]

So basically you’ve enjoyed a few very short periods of good football in a very long period of time?

You’ve ‘hated’ 2 years where we’ve been 3rd, reached 2 cup finals and 3 semis? Wow.

Not saying it was super exciting - Covid a huge factor too btw, but you are going to be difficult to keep satisfied.

Are some people just supporting the wrong club do you think?

Na some people are just bored of watching us playing the same way. Little tempo, sidewards & backwards passing followed by a hoof up the park when there’s no-one to pick out.

We’ve been completely found out and the “smaller” teams know exactly how to play against us

[madhatter]

So to summarise the guy with the long career in professional football who's worked under countless managers day in day out has the same knowledge of football management as our owner who bought his first football club a few years ago

Which is none?



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Yes. I've been in a workplace for a decade, does that mean I know the ins and outs of my superiors' jobs? No. I have a loose idea but many bosses don't share the politics and other such things with their employees. The exact same happens in football. Doubt Michael Stewart would've been invited into board meetings as an aide for his gaffer. I also doubt he accompanied his gaffer to meetings with the owner, the scouting team, the medical team, analysis meetings with the sport science team and data analysts.

Turning up for training have the gaffer tell you what to do then mess about with the lads does not mean you've got some great insight to football management. You'll obvious have some due to proximity but a lot more to management now beyond taking training sessions and putting a team out at the weekend.

You think otherwise get on the blower to Ron and recommend Michael Stewart as DoF to take us to the next level.

[bingo70]

So if the new manager comes in and doesn't play anything but dire football it's not going to change?

Yes, I think that’s the point? We will hopefully appoint a manager who doesn’t play such dire football.

I don’t actually expect us to start playing like Brazil ‘70 but play with a bit energy would be nice to start with.

Everything has been so slow and dull at home for so long. Let’s start trying to play a high tempo game and take a few goals off the opposition.

[jeffers]

That seems a bit of a deflection as I’ve never said it was thrills and spills under Jack Ross. We certainly got some very good results and were very rarely hopelessly outplayed up until recently. Even in the past month we put in 2 terrific performances against Rangers then St Johnstone.

Tell me about all these magnificent Hibs teams that you’ve enjoyed so much instead? In fact don’t bother - people just rewrite history to the point that some even claim the Alex Miller tenure was pretty good because we once had a decent forward line in the decade he was there.

How often does this magic wand of changing the guy who picks the team every week work? Usually our supposed good times are when we’re working our way back from the lowest depths!

I’m repeating myself here but that spell under Lennon (and I don’t want him back) was the most enjoyable period I’ve had watching us in as far back as I can remember. Is that style of football so unachievable again ? It was only 3 years ago. Bar SJM are any of the players from that team of a calibre we couldn’t attract to the club now ? I don’t believe so.

[007]

Exactly, I get why the timing is being questioned. It’s not common to sack a manager in the run up to a cup final but if you dig even a little deeper it makes complete sense.

We couldn’t win must win games against Ross county, Motherwell or Livingston, what makes people think we could beat a motivated Celtic side that would have been desperate to win silverware for a manager the players clearly love playing for?

I don’t doubt Jack Ross would have arrested the slide, we’d maybe even have made top 6. Thankfully our owner has greater ambitions than that, hopefully the players realise that now too. Didn’t seem like the message was getting through to them from the manager.

The fact we lost 4 in a row and then smashed last year's league champions and this year's league leaders in the semi.

That what Hibs do, lose games we expect us to win then follow it up with winning one we expect us to lose. Or win ones we expect to lose then follow it up with losing one we expect us to win.

[Franck Stanton]

It isn't blind faith saying we will get better?

Name a manager that has ever came into Hibernian Football Club, the season after we finish third in the league and improve us in your lifetime?

Just one?

Being an old far t, Eddie Turnbull

[bingo70]

So basically you’ve enjoyed a few very short periods of good football in a very long period of time?

You’ve ‘hated’ 2 years where we’ve been 3rd, reached 2 cup finals and 3 semis? Wow.

Not saying it was super exciting - Covid a huge factor too btw, but you are going to be difficult to keep satisfied.

Are some people just supporting the wrong club do you think?

No.

You’ve asked for some examples of teams I enjoyed and I gave you them.

Can you not give me your favourite three home games under Ross in 2 and a half years of him being in charge?

I preferred our season finishing 4th under Lennon than finishing 3rd under Ross. I’ll judge a team by how much I enjoyed watching them, not from checking a league table after the season is finished.

You enjoyed those semi finals and finals we got pumped in? I find that more of a wow post than mine if so.

[Danderhall Hibs]

What are your 3 most enjoyable wins in home games under Jack Ross though?

He was there for 2 and a half years, there must be some that stand out?

I’m going to go for the 3-0 and 2-0 wins v Aberdeen and the 3-0 Ross County game. I think the 3-0 was something like our biggest win against them in 30 odd years.

The atmosphere would’ve been great at the 2-0 Aberdeen game last season - just a pity we had to watch on tv.

Still onwards and upwards.

[Shrekko]

I’m repeating myself here but that spell under Lennon (and I don’t want him back) was the most enjoyable period I’ve had watching us in as far back as I can remember. Is that style of football so unachievable again ? It was only 3 years ago. Bar SJM are any of the players from that team of a calibre we couldn’t attract to the club now ? I don’t believe so.

Me too - but SJM was magnificent and a bit under rated by a lot of fans looking back on it.

Also- the crowd were behind the team every week on the back of our Cup win and then promotion. It helped a lot.

Would you say NL played a particularly great brand of football? I thought we were honking to watch the year after.

Managers sometimes land lucky with players - like Tony Mowbray did.

[judas]

If there is one thing I have noticed about hibs net over the years, is that it hosts a high proportion of empty vessels.

6th best win ratio in our history and sacked after 9 bad games 😂😂.

******ed move by Zoom Gordon.

Wait until we reproduce our 30 year mean
of 7th place. 😂👍😂

[Danderhall Hibs]

So basically you’ve enjoyed a few very short periods of good football in a very long period of time?

You’ve ‘hated’ 2 years where we’ve been 3rd, reached 2 cup finals and 3 semis? Wow.

Not saying it was super exciting - Covid a huge factor too btw, but you are going to be difficult to keep satisfied.

Are some people just supporting the wrong club do you think?

It’s been accepted (I think) that it’s better to get knocked out of the cups early

[Onion]

Have no problem with Hibs getting shot of under-achievers. For too long, we've watched Hibs treated like a soft touch for failures and laggards. JR put himself under pressure, no one else. But RG better have a master plan in place to replace him.

IF this does indeed turn out to be a knee-jerk reaction, and we end up scrambling for some lame alternative, there will be a lot of questions about what the Hell Gordon is doing at Hibs.

[Callum_62]

Yes. I've been in a workplace for a decade, does that mean I know the ins and outs of my superiors' jobs? No. I have a loose idea but many bosses don't share the politics and other such things with their employees. The exact same happens in football. Doubt Michael Stewart would've been invited into board meetings as an aide for his gaffer. I also doubt he accompanied his gaffer to meetings with the owner, the scouting team, the medical team, analysis meetings with the sport science team and data analysts.

Turning up for training have the gaffer tell you what to do then mess about with the lads does not mean you've got some great insight to football management. You'll obvious have some due to proximity but a lot more to management now beyond taking training sessions and putting a team out at the weekend.

You think otherwise get on the blower to Ron and recommend Michael Stewart as DoF to take us to the next level.No point, Ian Gordon has that roll filled already.

Shame as Mikey would've been a decent fit

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[BILLYHIBS]

What are your 3 most enjoyable wins in home games under Jack Ross though?

He was there for 2 and a half years, there must be some that stand out?

In answer to your question I really enjoyed watching Tony Mowbreys hibs team, Alex McLeish’s, the second half of the season under Lennon when he signed Kamberi was excellent.

It’s not a home game but I remember being at Fir Park when we beat Motherwell 6-1 and being at Hampden when we beat Killie 5-1 in the league cup final, not to mention beating hearts 1-0 In the 81% derby all under Collins.

Even under Alex Miller I remember some enjoyable big home wins.

I’ve hated this period under Ross, I’m delighted he’s away and I’m happy our owner is more ambitious than a lot of our fans.

This

Got to admit I wanted Jack Ross out after the Scottish Cup Final

I am glad he is gone

No more bore fests

Remember that 1-3 at home versus Hearts?

Dearie me!

Not really interested in Michael Stewart’s tuppence worth either

In Ron we trust

Onwards and upwards

[bigwheel]

Rather simple. You've used a positive phrase "standing up for" to describe one half of the divide and then used a negative one for the other "dogmatic support".

You're portraying one half as a caring bunch of sincere people hurting from the pain of losing a good leader. Determined to protect him as best they can. The other side are just a bunch of people who are convinced they are right about our owner and everyone else is wrong.

I'm fairly certain you knew the words you were using. Much like your use of "rambling".

MH ..You are looking much deeper in my language than I am….your rather poetic summary is much richer than the simple points I was trying to make . I also used the phrase “in the same way”…e.g. there is dogma on both sides, that’s for sure .

Rambling was definitely chosen though..as your previous post seems to roam a little

Anyway, your points on Stewart are still nonsense! :-)

Have a good night ! My Poetic poster friend

[Shrekko]

No.

You’ve asked for some examples of teams I enjoyed and I gave you them.

Can you not give me your favourite three home games under Ross in 2 and a half years of him being in charge?

I preferred our season finishing 4th under Lennon than finishing 3rd under Ross. I’ll judge a team by how much I enjoyed watching them, not from checking a league table after the season is finished.

You enjoyed those semi finals and finals we got pumped in? I find that more of a wow post than mine if so.

Aye you’re good at making it seem like I’ve said stuff that I haven’t.

I’m saying you ‘hated’ (not just ‘weren’t fussed’) for 2 years when we were consistently getting good results.

I’m not saying it’s understandable that you enjoyed Lennon’s good 3/4 months more - just saying that was a rare …. and very short good spell. Pretty sure if JR had been able to roll out John McGinn every week in his midfield to carry a few of our skilful light weights then he’d have done even better mind you. We are talking about a now £50 million pound player.

[madhatter]

Think some people want the whole torn up because Jack Ross has left.

Ron Gordon has no experience of recruiting managers, he made a mistake sacking Jack Ross, it was knee-jerked and he panicked, we should all listen to Michael Stewart, its Graeme Mathie's fault, its the nasty negative fans' fault (irony), maybe some fans are supporting the wrong club, Ian Gordon and his role is suspicious, heard Ben Kensell doesn't ken much and is leaving soon. List could go on...

Hysterics are really out of control here. How people listen and get in line with what the media say about Hibs when a manager leaves is beyond me. They flip from snidey little articles about our players, fake reports of transfer interest to disrupt our camp and the like to "Oh, its a real shame about Jack Ross". People really seem to be treating Jack Ross as their first love. Maybe it could've worked out, only if...

What other factor is going to come up to defend Jack Ross and the players? Poisonous bushes at ER?

[Lancs Harp]

Me too - but SJM was magnificent and a bit under rated by a lot of fans looking back on it.

Also- the crowd were behind the team every week on the back of our Cup win and then promotion. It helped a lot.

Would you say NL played a particularly great brand of football? I thought we were honking to watch the year after.

Managers sometimes land lucky with players - like Tony Mowbray did.

I'd say Lennon added steel to what Stubbsy had built. Stubbs team was often great to watch but sometimes our soft underbelly was exposed. Both Hecky and Jack started with promise but that promise faded. The modern game more than ever is a results game and in the league this season we've struggled badly. We are better than this.

[bingo70]

I’m going to go for the 3-0 and 2-0 wins v Aberdeen and the 3-0 Ross County game. I think the 3-0 was something like our biggest win against them in 30 odd years.

The atmosphere would’ve been great at the 2-0 Aberdeen game last season - just a pity we had to watch on tv.

Still onwards and upwards.

Thanks for answering the question.

In two and a half years in charge, one of your three highlights is beating Ross County at home 3-0 and the other two were beating a pretty mediocre Aberdeen side that sacked their manager as they were having such a poor season.

We’re being picky now though, I’ve clearly made my point. we havent been good at Easter Road over a long period of time and that’s one of the reasons people got fed up with him, it’s one of the reasons why people stopped attending and it’s clearly one of the reasons the owner has rightly acted upon it.

You can pretend it’s unreasonable fans that have caused this if you want but if my job was tk make sure people bought season tickets next season, I wouldn’t have gambled on backing Ross either.

[Callum_62]

Think some people want the whole torn up because Jack Ross has left.

Ron Gordon has no experience of recruiting managers, he made a mistake sacking Jack Ross, it was knee-jerked and he panicked, we should all listen to Michael Stewart, its Graeme Mathie's fault, its the nasty negative fans' fault (irony), maybe some fans are supporting the wrong club, Ian Gordon and his role is suspicious, heard Ben Kensell doesn't ken much and is leaving soon. List could go on...

Hysterics are really out of control here. How people listen and get in line with what the media say about Hibs when a manager leaves is beyond me. They flip from snidey little articles about our players, fake reports of transfer interest to disrupt our camp and the like to "Oh, its a real shame about Jack Ross". People really seem to be treating Jack Ross as their first love. Maybe it could've worked out, only if...

What other factor is going to come up to defend Jack Ross and the players? Poisonous bushes at ER?Didn't we have noxious weeds at ER?

Coinkydink? I think not.

I'm really interested to see who the replacement it, we might be surprised I guess

I hope we are in a very good way

Kean and McPake and im deactivating my account

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[Danderhall Hibs]

Thanks for answering the question.

In two and a half years in charge, one of your three highlights is beating Ross County at home 3-0 and the other two were beating a pretty mediocre Aberdeen side that sacked their manager as they were having such a poor season.

We’re being picky now though, I’ve clearly made my point. we havent been good at Easter Road over a long period of time and that’s one of the reasons people got fed up with him, it’s one of the reasons why people stopped attending and it’s clearly one of the reasons the owner has rightly acted upon it.

You can pretend it’s unreasonable fans that have caused this if you want but if my job was tk make sure people bought season tickets next season, I wouldn’t have gambled on backing Ross either.

The RC game was the first back after 18 months of not going so that added to it.

I think the 3-0 v Aberdeen was the season before they finished below us in 4th? It was just weeks before we won 2-0 at Tiny.

Not sure how we can talk that one down but sure you’ll have a go to fit the point.

[madhatter]

No point, Ian Gordon has that roll filled already.

Shame as Mikey would've been a decent fit

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Backing up the management team of David Gray, Scott Brown and Kevin Thomson?

Recipe for something else that...

[Rumble de Thump]

Stewart is most often balanced and unbiased in his views - he has articulated what lots of fans think .

Many people are sore about the decision sure - Ross will be hard to better in my view . I’d equally say many people are blindly supporting Gordon, because they wanted Ross gone . Trusting he has a plan . Time will tell.

'Blindly' is one of the biggest clichés on football forums. People use their brains and base opinions on that.

[hibeerealist]

Where did it come from? Genuinely? Like I said it's like people have forgotten how ***** it's been before and how likely it will head that way again.

Unless Big Ron and his big screen party Ponys up and gets the money out we wont attract a better head coach than Jack Ross. If he does lets hope he's not expecting us to pay for his failures.

Who gets the blame for the new contract for Ross and Potts? Not Ben and his shambles he came into? Did he not to think a year he was in the job perhaps and not 3 months?


Your first sentence is incredibly naive just give some thought to what you have said here, youar3 somebody I tend to agree with on their posts but this is way off

[bingo70]

The RC game was the first back after 18 months of not going so that added to it.

I think the 3-0 v Aberdeen was the season before they finished below us in 4th? It was just weeks before we won 3-0 at Tiny.

Not sure how we can talk that one down but sure you’ll have a go to fit the point.

I honestly can’t remember it. I just assumed it was last season as I remembered beating them at important times.

I don’t need to fit anything in to prove my point, I think I’ve done that. He’s been here two and a half years and of our best 3 most memorable performances under him at home, one was against Ross County and one was against Aberdeen 2 years ago!

On top of that we’ve just gone through a period of one win in 9. I don’t get why people are so taken aback that he’s been sacked.

I was pleasantly surprised we acted as I’m used to the club dithering about this kind of thing. Hopefully we have more exciting memories being created at Easter Road soon than a good win against Ross County.

[hibeerealist]

Yes, I think that’s the point? We will hopefully appoint a manager who doesn’t play such dire football.

I don’t actually expect us to start playing like Brazil ‘70 but play with a bit energy would be nice to start with.

Everything has been so slow and dull at home for so long. Let’s start trying to play a high tempo game and take a few goals off the opposition.


I am shocked that so many on here don’t get that Bingo and are just in mourning at losing JR, how long were we expected to give him and his failures???

[bigwheel]

'Blindly' is one of the biggest clichés on football forums. People use their brains and base opinions on that.

Oh aye .. Colloquialisms R Us is in the thread ……

[Rumble de Thump]

Oh aye .. Colloquialisms R Us is in the thread ……

Cliché

[The 90+2]

Your first sentence is incredibly naive just give some thought to what you have said here, youar3 somebody I tend to agree with on their posts but this is way off

Thanks mate and I’ll take it on board, genuinely 👍

[Danderhall Hibs]

I honestly can’t remember it. I just assumed it was last season as I remembered beating them at important times.

I don’t need to fit anything in to prove my point, I think I’ve done that. He’s been here two and a half years and of our best 3 most memorable performances under him at home, one was against Ross County and one was against Aberdeen 2 years ago!

On top of that we’ve just gone through a period of one win in 9. I don’t get why people are so taken aback that he’s been sacked.

I was pleasantly surprised we acted as I’m used to the club dithering about this kind of thing. Hopefully we have more exciting memories being created at Easter Road soon than a good win against Ross County.

So when you asked for the best results in the last 2 years you didn’t mean for anyone to go back that far? :hilarious

Surprised you can’t remember it - it was a good game, we played really well. They were an established top 2/3 side and we were trying to get out of a relegation battle.

And I agree - I hope it is exciting soon, I can’t be doing with the constant moaning. It’ll be great if everyone could get behind the team for a change.

[jeffers]

Me too - but SJM was magnificent and a bit under rated by a lot of fans looking back on it.

Also- the crowd were behind the team every week on the back of our Cup win and then promotion. It helped a lot.

Would you say NL played a particularly great brand of football? I thought we were honking to watch the year after.

Managers sometimes land lucky with players - like Tony Mowbray did.

I thought SJM wasn’t as consistent as say 2016, but what I thought he did do when he was good was reach a level I didn’t think he had previously. Although I digress.

I didn’t think we were great in the Championship, and were very poor bar a few games in his last season but even before Allan returned we still had some really good performances under Lennon and good football e.g. Huns away when Slivka scored. The period I had referred to though yes, I thought the brand of football was excellent.

It proved that modern football can be entertaining and bar SJM the players of that calibre who produced those performances should still be attainable to us now. Let’s face it, bar SJM did any of them go on to achieve anything better elsewhere.

I would never suggest we didn’t have great performances under Ross, but I genuinely struggle to remember being as entertained by his teams as I was under that spell with Lennon. And I genuinely didn’t care we finished 4th that season when we had a chance for a 2nd place finish.

[Magpie]

I thought SJM wasn’t as consistent as say 2016, but what I thought he did do when he was good was reach a level I didn’t think he had previously. Although I digress.

I didn’t think we were great in the Championship, and were very poor bar a few games in his last season but even before Allan returned we still had some really good performances under Lennon and good football e.g. Huns away when Slivka scored. The period I had referred to though yes, I thought the brand of football was excellent.

It proved that modern football can be entertaining and bar SJM the players of that calibre who produced those performances should still be attainable to us now. Let’s face it, bar SJM did any of them go on to achieve anything better elsewhere.

I would never suggest we didn’t have great performances under Ross, but I genuinely struggle to remember being as entertained by his teams as I was under that spell with Lennon. And I genuinely didn’t care we finished 4th that season when we had a chance for a 2nd place finish.

It was a season of fine margins. MacLaren missing that penalty at Pittodrie, Shaw’s goal not being given at Tynie and we would have beaten Rangers last game of the season if a win was all we needed. That would have seen us seal 2nd.

[Forza Fred]

I have never been in the ‘Ross Must Go!’ camp, but don’t agree with everything Mickey says either.

It’s simply not true that Hibs are too good to relegated.

The stats show that we are picking up points…or not picking up points…like a team heading for a relegation struggle.

Mickey may not see the likeness to the Butcher era..when the same thing was said…and we got relegated.

Time will tell if it was a ‘panic’ decision, but fitba is about results, and we were getting too many bad ones.

[Magpie]

I have never been in the ‘Ross Must Go!’ camp, but don’t agree with everything Mickey says either.

It’s simply not true that Hibs are too good to relegated.

The stats show that we are picking up points…or not picking up points…like a team heading for a relegation struggle.

Mickey may not see the likeness to the Butcher era..when the same thing was said…and we got relegated.

Time will tell if it was a ‘panic’ decision, but fitba is about results, and we were getting too many bad ones.

Only St Johnstone and Livingston have had less shots on target than us in the league this season. We need to be more creative which is something I didn’t think we would have a problem with. Mueller will hopefully be a great addition.

[AgentDaleCooper]

I think what mikey nails is that while we don't know what's going on, there appear to be two possibilities - one, that we have a successor lined up, and that Ron has a plan, or two, that this was a decision made without a plan. The former could be very promising, the latter would be very worrying, and would suggest to me that we could be in for a rocky few years, maybe longer, with Ron as the owner of our club. TBH, i really wish we had completed the process of fan ownership.

[Dashing Bob S]

Whatever the masterplan is I would suspect it involves winning more than one game in seven -and that against ten men- in a poor league.

[Spike Mandela]

I agree with every word of this article.

[bigwheel]

Whatever the masterplan is I would suspect it involves winning more than one game in seven -and that against ten men- in a poor league.

Your last few words weaken your point. This is probably the most competitive this league has been for many years. All the teams are decent….

Equally, it’s one thing having a plan. Picking the right people to execute it in line with your ambitions, is a far more challenging task.


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[GoalsMcGinley]

Can someone from the “we won’t get a better head coach than JR” club explain to me where the hell that’s come from? Seriously?


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[Alfred E Newman]

Coming from a decent pundit looking from the outside in , it's hard to argue with his article.

[bingo70]

So when you asked for the best results in the last 2 years you didn’t mean for anyone to go back that far? :hilarious

Surprised you can’t remember it - it was a good game, we played really well. They were an established top 2/3 side and we were trying to get out of a relegation battle.

And I agree - I hope it is exciting soon, I can’t be doing with the constant moaning. It’ll be great if everyone could get behind the team for a change.

I didn’t say you couldn’t go back that far, I just think it’s telling that you had to. In a season we finished 3rd, there was one performance at home that you enjoyed. People think we can’t get better than that?

I find that staggering.

[MKHIBEE]

I don't think that's the case mate. Sometime people's faces can give off the wrong impression. People think I'm a miserable ******* when they first meet me due to my lack of smiling, but in time they get to understand I'm ****in hilarious!

Thats much like myself, although in this case they are spot on

[LaMotta]

Thats much like myself, although in this case they are spot on

:greengrin

[Jim44]

Only St Johnstone and Livingston have had less shots on target than us in the league this season. We need to be more creative which is something I didn’t think we would have a problem with. Mueller will hopefully be a great addition.

I hope you’re right. But I wonder what Mueller is thinking just now. He signed the pre contract in happier days when we were potentially contenders for a high league position, never got the chance to play for the then manager and now has to fit into a demoralised team which appears to be heading in one direction in the league. I hope he’s made of strong stuff and delivers the goods most of us expect him to.

[marinello59]

I hope you’re right. But I wonder what Mueller is thinking just now. He signed the pre contract in happier days when we were potentially contenders for a high league position, never got the chance to play for the then manager and now has to fit into a demoralised team which appears to be heading in one direction in the league. I hope he’s made of strong stuff and delivers the goods most of us expect him to.

He’s probably thinking the people behind his signing are still at the club.

[DIXIHIBS]

Pundits always refer to 3rd place last season and making a couple of finals, which is great, but somehow ignoring the terrible form we are in at the moment. Too good to get relegated, aye right. Ross may well have turned things around but what if he didnt. People woukd be saying why the f$%k didnt the club act when they saw the way things were headed. No one can predict what will happen, or might have happened but we are where we are so lets get behind whoever takes over.

[Springbank]

The only line I disagreed with was when he said "Hibs won't be at risk of relegation"

With 7 losses in 9, a keeper who sits on his perch (and rarely keeps a clean sheet), a defence that don't close down, let crosses in, and can't win their headers, we need 2-3 goals per game.

But the midfield three don't see their job as shooting, scoring or beating a man. The only time that's happened lately was Allan v St J.

And up top we don't work hard enough.

Just my view, but any one of these factors will see you in trouble in this league. Put them all together, every week, and you get 4 points out of near quarter of the season.

It was relegation stuff & yet it was largely same xi each week. You knew before kick off last week Tony watt would score and you kind of knew what his goal would look like

That's about the coach

[Billy Whizz]

Do we know if the dismissal of Ross was a board decision or not, or owner/CEO?
You’d presume the hiring and firing of a manager would need board approval

[bigwheel]

Do we know if the dismissal of Ross was a board decision or not, or owner/CEO?
You’d presume the hiring and firing of a manager would need board approval

Looks like it was a straight instruction from Gordon

[MKHIBEE]

Do we know if the dismissal of Ross was a board decision or not, or owner/CEO?
You’d presume the hiring and firing of a manager would need board approval

As majority shareholder RG would have the authority to sack JR

[EVENTUALLY]

The only line I disagreed with was when he said "Hibs won't be at risk of relegation"

With 7 losses in 9, a keeper who sits on his perch (and rarely keeps a clean sheet), a defence that don't close down, let crosses in, and can't win their headers, we need 2-3 goals per game.

But the midfield three don't see their job as shooting, scoring or beating a man. The only time that's happened lately was Allan v St J.

And up top we don't work hard enough.

Just my view, but any one of these factors will see you in trouble in this league. Put them all together, every week, and you get 4 points out of near quarter of the season.

It was relegation stuff & yet it was largely same xi each week. You knew before kick off last week Tony watt would score and you kind of knew what his goal would look like

That's about the coach

He may not have lost the dressing room but he lost the majority of the support. Same 2 sitters every game carrying out a coached system to retain possession and build a slow and ponderous style of play which was utterly ineffective and boring to watch. Too stubborn for his own good. Glad he's gone.

[lord bunberry]

He may not have lost the dressing room but he lost the majority of the support. Same 2 sitters every game carrying out a coached system to retain possession and build a slow and ponderous style of play which was utterly ineffective and boring to watch. Too stubborn for his own good. Glad he's gone.
Had he lost the majority of the support? The poll on here suggests otherwise.

[BoomtownHibees]

Had he lost the majority of the support? The poll on here suggests otherwise.

7 more people have voted ‘no’ than ‘yes’. Not sure the poll is a decent enough representation either way tbf

[Waxy]

We should be the first club to ever unsack a manager.

[lord bunberry]

7 more people have voted ‘no’ than ‘yes’. Not sure the poll is a decent enough representation either way tbf
It’s all we’ve got right now and it shows a near 50/50 split. That’s doesn’t suggest he’d lost the fans like someone suggested.

[madhatter]

It’s all we’ve got right now and it shows a near 50/50 split. That’s doesn’t suggest he’d lost the fans like someone suggested.

Audible "sacked in the morning" and "Jack Ross GTF" at an away game suggests he might have. Wasn't there but could clearly hear these on HibsTV. Away games typically have more of the hardcore uber fans as well.

[Nicho87]

Sorry but when I see pundits says the decisions mad it isn’t at all. Watched five minutes of Simon ferry what a lot of uninformed easy way of looking at things. It’s 10’days before a cup final so we must have stuck with him. Just forget the league form. 4th biggest budget in the league etc.

I like Stewart but some pundits don’t really do their homework or watch hibs games for 90 minutes.

[Smartie]

It’s all we’ve got right now and it shows a near 50/50 split. That’s doesn’t suggest he’d lost the fans like someone suggested.

I think there’s a big difference between having “lost the fans” and having “had a section of the support on his back” and I think it was the latter.

Given a few weeks it might have become the former but we’ll never know.

I don’t think he’d lost the fans, even if a huge number of us were pissed off and questioning things.

[erin go bragh]

Audible "sacked in the morning" and "Jack Ross GTF" at an away game suggests he might have. Wasn't there but could clearly hear these on HibsTV. Away games typically have more of the hardcore uber fans as well.

I was at the game and it wasn’t the entire Hibs support singing but no one was booing the chant as if like myself, the style of football was very hard on the eyes and when your chasing a game and your players continually keep passing the ball sideways and backwards , it’s brutal to watch and infuriating.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I didn’t say you couldn’t go back that far, I just think it’s telling that you had to. In a season we finished 3rd, there was one performance at home that you enjoyed. People think we can’t get better than that?

I find that staggering.

I enjoyed the game we beat Livi 2-1 - really explosive start, excellent first half.

And a couple that don’t suit your argument but does suit your overall point - we were excellent v Dundee United in a 1-1 draw - they scored late on. Same in the Celtic 2-2 game before Christmas last year. Score doesn’t matter though cos we played some really good stuff.

[greenlex]

Audible "sacked in the morning" and "Jack Ross GTF" at an away game suggests he might have. Wasn't there but could clearly hear these on HibsTV. Away games typically have more of the hardcore uber fans as well.
Very much a minority on Wednesday.

[B.H.F.C]

It’s all we’ve got right now and it shows a near 50/50 split. That’s doesn’t suggest he’d lost the fans like someone suggested.

Just need to take a look at ER (or even how little tickets we’ve sold today) to see how many fans have been lost. We’re basically down to the hardcore who go regardless. I’m certain that’s played a part in their thinking.

[matty_f]

I enjoyed the game we beat Livi 2-1 - really explosive start, excellent first half.

And a couple that don’t suit your argument but does suit your overall point - we were excellent v Dundee United in a 1-1 draw - they scored late on. Same in the Celtic 2-2 game before Christmas last year. Score doesn’t matter though cos we played some really good stuff.


Think it’s hard to take a season where we weren’t in the stadiums to pick out really exciting games, so while i get the point that Bingo is making, i so think the question is a bit unfair.

Watching on TV, with piped in crowd noise, it’s a hard ask to pick out really exciting games. I don’t think i could point to really exciting games involving any team, and not just in our league, in that season.

[madhatter]

Very much a minority on Wednesday.

Must have been arguments and people telling them to shut up then?

What are we actually debating here? Attendances have been plummeting, that's a fact. A minority of those that still go to games decided to sing "Sacked in the morning" and "Jack Ross GTF" at an away game, that's a fact. All of this backs up that he had lost a sizeable portion of the support.

Many people were either 50/50 about him or thought time was coming to an end. Being 50/50 in this sense does not mean you back him, it means you flip on a match by match basis or on a play by play basis. Red cards and losses...oh get lost Jack Ross, knock Rangers out the cup...that's a Jack Ross masterclass, we've got a manager on our hands here.

[Callum_62]

Audible "sacked in the morning" and "Jack Ross GTF" at an away game suggests he might have. Wasn't there but could clearly hear these on HibsTV. Away games typically have more of the hardcore uber fans as well.The GTF chants are absolutely embaressing

Whoever started that should have a right good look at themselves in the mirror

Atleast we can now drop this cringe worthy 'Hibs class' phrase



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[Smartie]

Just need to take a look at ER (or even how little tickets we’ve sold today) to see how many fans have been lost. We’re basically down to the hardcore who go regardless. I’m certain that’s played a part in their thinking.

FWIW - I’d love to be there today, but I’m off to see my daughter dance on stage for the first time.

It’s not an easy time of year to wriggle out of prior commitments.

I agree that SDG deserves our full support, and I’ll be back just as soon as the social diary permits.

[JohnMcM]

It seems to me that Ron Gordon saw the losing streak as a way forward to lose money. Rightly or wrongly he possibly made a business decision rather than a football one. I wonder if he ever saw, as we did, how some of our wins and draws this season were arguably rather fortunate.

Many of us have seen Hibs go through bad patches before so this is not new. I get the impression it’s the manner of these recent loses we’ve witnessed that appears to have split the fan base this time around.

[BoomtownHibees]

It’s all we’ve got right now and it shows a near 50/50 split. That’s doesn’t suggest he’d lost the fans like someone suggested.

We do have other things like attendances and songs telling the manager their thoughts.

There are also a number on here who won’t have voted, me included, who weren’t fussed if he stayed or went. That’s not showing support for him either tbh

[madhatter]

The GTF chants are absolutely embaressing

Whoever started that should have a right good look at themselves in the mirror

Atleast we can now drop this cringe worthy 'Hibs class' phrase



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I agree but nevertheless I've yet to be told that fellow fans at the game told them to shut up. Maybe that happened maybe not. It was audible on HibsTV.

[B.H.F.C]

FWIW - I’d love to be there today, but I’m off to see my daughter dance on stage for the first time.

It’s not an easy time of year to wriggle out of prior commitments.

I agree that SDG deserves our full support, and I’ll be back just as soon as the social diary permits.

Aye I get that and it’s not a dig at anyone.

But if we were playing well there’s be significantly more heading through today. Looking at the ticket map we can’t have sold more than a few hundred.

[greenlex]

Must have been arguments and people telling them to shut up then?

What are we actually debating here? Attendances have been plummeting, that's a fact. A minority of those that still go to games decided to sing "Sacked in the morning" and "Jack Ross GTF" at an away game, that's a fact. All of this backs up that he had lost a sizeable portion of the support.

People were either 50/50 about him or thought time was coming to an end. Being 50/50 in this sense does not mean you back him, it means you flip on a match by match basis or on a play by play basis. Red cards and losses...oh get lost Jack Ross, knock Rangers out the cup...that's a Jack Ross masterclass, we've got a manager on our hands here.
You don’t need to justify your position on his sacking. I don’t agree or see your reasoning with people either being 50/50 or wanted him out. That’s a huge leap. There are hardly going to be fans singing pro Jack Ross songs but doesn’t mean they were 50/50. Anyway it’s all immaterial now in any case. Onwards and upwards.it’s important we get behind the team and whoever is brought in.

[Hibees1973]

I agree 100% with what Michael Stewart says.

As I've mentioned on other threads Ron Gordon has put the heat on himself and it's up to him to appoint a new manager as good as Ross.

If Gordon doesn't he will be run out of town.

[madhatter]

You don’t need to justify your position on his sacking. I don’t agree or see your reasoning with people either being 50/50 or wanted him out. That’s a huge leap. There are hardly going to be fans singing pro Jack Ross songs but doesn’t mean they were 50/50. Anyway it’s all immaterial now in any case. Onwards and upwards.it’s important we get behind the team and whoever is brought in.

I changed the "People" to "Many People". I know people supported Jack Ross, that much is clear. I'm not justifying my position on anything. I'm arguing against this erroneous claim that only a minority of our fanbase weren't backing Jack Ross. A decent number on here said they didn't want him sacked but wouldn't be fussed if he left. Some just flat out wanted him gone. People weren't turning up to ER and away fans sung songs you'd normally attribute to fair weather fans.

Listen, people are hurting but this hysteria has to end. Stubbs was our Scottish Cup winning manager and I didn't see this fallout when he left for Rotherham. Heckingbottom didn't get a lengthy shot at the job but people were content when he got sacked for Ross.

Honestly, it comes across a bit like people's first love. Everything was perfect when you look back, maybe we just needed more time.

[bingo70]

Think it’s hard to take a season where we weren’t in the stadiums to pick out really exciting games, so while i get the point that Bingo is making, i so think the question is a bit unfair.

Watching on TV, with piped in crowd noise, it’s a hard ask to pick out really exciting games. I don’t think i could point to really exciting games involving any team, and not just in our league, in that season.

I get that and I was pretty much prepared to write off last season in terms of entertainment but the fact it’s not got any better with people at the ground just means he’s a manager I won’t be sorry to see the back of, as harsh as that may be given the job he did last last season.

[erin go bragh]

Don’t agree with him saying we are too good to go down as our current league form would suggest otherwise. Our only league win in nine games was against 10 men St Johnstone. You could throw in we had two fortunate penalties to get wins at Motherwell and home against St Johnstone.
The crowds at ER have been the lowest by far since pre 2016 , with the atmosphere virtually non existent, a hundred standing Motherwell fans created more noise than us .

[matty_f]

I agree but nevertheless I've yet to be told that fellow fans at the game told them to shut up. Maybe that happened maybe not. It was audible on HibsTV.

It’s not The Equaliser- most folk don’t go to the football wanting to get involved in any aggro with other fans.

[Billy Whizz]

It’s not The Equaliser- most folk don’t go to the football wanting to get involved in any aggro with other fans.

There were shouts of Jack out at the end of the game, I’d say from a minority. The booing at full time was much louder

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Don’t agree with him saying we are too good to go down as our current league form would suggest otherwise. Our only league win in nine games was against 10 men St Johnstone. You could throw in we had two fortunate penalties to get wins at Motherwell and home against St Johnstone.
The crowds at ER have been the lowest by far since pre 2016 , with the atmosphere virtually non existent, a hundred standing Motherwell fans created more noise than us .

Totally agree. We are not too good to get relegated and people are deluded if they think we will be fine.

[Magpie]

It seems to me that Ron Gordon saw the losing streak as a way forward to lose money. Rightly or wrongly he possibly made a business decision rather than a football one. I wonder if he ever saw, as we did, how some of our wins and draws this season were arguably rather fortunate.

Many of us have seen Hibs go through bad patches before so this is not new. I get the impression it’s the manner of these recent loses we’ve witnessed that appears to have split the fan base this time around.

The failure against Hearts and St Johnstone in last years cups was also a factor for many, myself included.

[heretoday]

The failure against Hearts and St Johnstone in last years cups was also a factor for many, myself included.

That was truly pathetic and let's face it no one gives us a hope versus Celtic in this final.

[madhatter]

It’s not The Equaliser- most folk don’t go to the football wanting to get involved in any aggro with other fans.

I know that, people are far more likely to have a word if they whole-heartedly disagree with something. Most football managers probably don't go into the dressing room wanting to have aggro with people they have a working relationship with. They do it because they disagree and/or are angered by a performance on the pitch. If people were that annoyed and disagreed with the songs then I'm sure someone would've had a word.

Far stretch from "Come on guys, have a word" to The Equaliser.

[Alfred E Newman]

Audible "sacked in the morning" and "Jack Ross GTF" at an away game suggests he might have. Wasn't there but could clearly hear these on HibsTV. Away games typically have more of the hardcore uber fans as well.

I was sitting almost on the half way line and I heard no chants. A small section of Livingston fans were singing sacked in the morning and the TV cameras were on that side . The crowd were not happy but there was little in the way of mass abuse aimed at Ross that I was aware of.

[madhatter]

I was sitting almost on the half way line and I heard no chants. A small section of Livingston fans were singing sacked in the morning and the TV cameras were on that side . The crowd were not happy but there was little in the way of mass abuse aimed at Ross that I was aware of.

What's your point? Did Livi fans boo at full time as well? Even if Livi fans were the ones doing the singing I didn't hear a vocal protest against their songs. I didn't hear "There is only one Jack Ross" or some insults about Livi. I know why, signing that about Jack Ross would've been condescending and people were clearly not 100% behind Jack Ross and the team, contrary to what some are trying to make out about this displeasure about our trajectory only being from a minority.

Ben Kensell is useless.
Ron Gordon panicked and doesn't know what he is doing.
Michael Stewart knows a lot about the situation.
The negative minority got Jack Ross sacked.
Worst decision ever made.
Who would want the job?
Unlikely to get a better manager.

The hysteria and finger pointing away from Jack Ross and the players is ridiculous. Jack Ross and his players were failing the club recently. Anybody arguing the case that the players are a big part of the reason Jack Ross sacked will not get any argument from me. People have came out with 20/20 hindsights being blissfully unaware of all the facts - the club have sacked Jack Ross and that's it. He and his players could have no complaints. Sadly club can't get rid off the players so manager pays the price. It is the same at every club in world football.

[Alfred E Newman]

What's your point? Did Livi fans boo at full time as well? Even if Livi fans were the ones doing the singing I didn't hear a vocal protest against their songs. I didn't hear "There is only one Jack Ross" or some insults about Livi. I know why, signing that about Jack Ross would've been condescending and people were clearly not 100% behind Jack Ross and the team, contrary to what some are trying to make out about this displeasure about our trajectory only being from a minority.

Ben Kensell is useless.
Ron Gordon panicked and doesn't know what he is doing.
Michael Stewart knows a lot about the situation.
The negative minority got Jack Ross sacked.
Worst decision ever made.
Who would want the job?
Unlikely to get a better manager.

The hysteria and finger pointing away from Jack Ross and the players is ridiculous. Jack Ross and his players were failing the club recently. Anybody arguing the case that the players are a big part of the reason Jack Ross sacked will not get any argument from me. People have came out with 20/20 hindsights being blissfully unaware of all the facts - the club have sacked Jack Ross and that's it. He and his players could have no complaints. Sadly club can't get rid off the players so manager pays the price. It is the same at every club in world football.

My point is , there was no mass chanting for the managers head. The crowd were not happy and there was booing at the end as there is at most games we don't win, that was it.

[BoomtownHibees]

My point is , there was no mass chanting for the managers head. The crowd were not happy and there was booing at the end as there is at most games we don't win, that was it.

There was a small group of Hibs fans who started the “sacked in the morning” chants and “Jack Ross GTF”.

We were also near the halfway line and could hear it coming from the right of us

[MWHIBBIES]

That was truly pathetic and let's face it no one gives us a hope versus Celtic in this final.

I do. Its a game of football. Anything could happen. We play our best we have every chance.

[Crab apple]

I was sitting almost on the half way line and I heard no chants. A small section of Livingston fans were singing sacked in the morning and the TV cameras were on that side . The crowd were not happy but there was little in the way of mass abuse aimed at Ross that I was aware of.

I was sitting there too but up the back and all I heard was booing at the end from our end as well as sacked in the morning chant from the livi ultras. Not saying there weren't chants directed at JR from our fans, I just didn't hear them.

[greenlex]

There was a small group of Hibs fans who started the “sacked in the morning” chants and “Jack Ross GTF”.

We were also near the halfway line and could hear it coming from the right of us

The weird thing is if you are that angry at your cubs manager it’s a strange thing to sing. I mean “sacked in the morning”? That’s a humerous song sung to an opposition manager when your winning. Hibs fans are weirdos.

[AgentDaleCooper]

I do. Its a game of football. Anything could happen. We play our best we have every chance.

this is true, but given that the squad will be in a state of emotional whiplash, i think we stand less of a chance now than we did before Ross was sacked. Maybe they'll be able to use this to motivate themselves, I just don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I respect Michael Stewart as a pundit, probably talks more sense than anybody in the media and in all honesty his points are not unreasonable ones, it will be up to Hibs to prove that they did have a plan in place when they sacked JR, if they don't and it all goes tits up then who will be able to tell him he was wrong.

The only caveat I do have is that a number of times over the last 18 months Stewart has praised Hibs for the style of football we were playing and for the life of me in large part I can't say I was seeing what he was seeing. Our only plan always seemed to be get the ball to Boyle and see what happens after that, for the most part we had / have little that resembles a passing team through midfield and consequently little or no threat from the middle of the park, Magennis looked on the brink of changing that until his injury curse raised it head once again.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Mikey Stuart always comes across very well and his piece is balanced and thoughtful and he very much calls it as he sees it and his opinion that the sacking was very harsh seems to be far and away the majority opinion across Scottish football by a long way.

The players still seem rather surprised if not shocked as well at the sudden departure as well as a fair percentage of the support perhaps even a small majority.

Tough rebuilding of trust for the new man whoever he may be especially as its very clear there is a ruthlessness in Ron which may turn out to be reckless.

[dp00]

I have to agree while I wanted jack Ross out I 100% thought he would get till the transfer window and it does seem like Ron and Ben have hit the panic button

I’m guessing Ross would have thought he had a bit more loyalty with the board given his previous performances, new contract and along with the clear belief that ron and Ben clearly agreed he had been let down in the transfer window, add all that up with the fact he had a final the following week

I’m guessing only time will tell if it’s the correct decision


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[SMAXXA]

Yep. It doesn’t really matter if Michael Stewart doesn’t get it, it’s all the missing fans that we need to convince.

FWIW, there will hardly be a pundit who agrees with this decision. Scottish football is a wee world and they all stick together.

Hate to break it to you but all these missing fans arnt missing because of Jack Ross

[Danderhall Hibs]

Hate to break it to you but all these missing fans arnt missing because of Jack Ross

I think you could be right - a few guys have been pinning their hat on it being the reason.

[madhatter]

I have to agree while I wanted jack Ross out I 100% thought he would get till the transfer window and it does seem like Ron and Ben have hit the panic button

I’m guessing Ross would have thought he had a bit more loyalty with the board given his previous performances, new contract and along with the clear belief that ron and Ben clearly agreed he had been let down in the transfer window, add all that up with the fact he had a final the following week

I’m guessing only time will tell if it’s the correct decision


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Time won't tell if it is the correct decision really - we could have won the cup with Jack Ross, we may not have, he could have turned the tide, he could have got us relegated. The new guy could win the cup, he might get thrashed in the final, he might get us storming up the league, he might get us relegated.

We can be pleased with what comes next or dismayed by it. Neither feeling means we can assess action taken now and make a black and white "wrong" or "correct" assertion. Things can get better or worse from here, we could actually have a write-off season regardless of the decision made - Jack Ross or another manager, it may make no tangible difference this season. We didn't get a reaction today, it was better than against Livi but not by much.

[James70]

Although I felt he had to go, sacking him before the cup final and denying him the chance to lead the team out doesn't make the club look good. Should have left it until January for what it would have cost. An unlikely win against Celtic and Hearts might have been good for everyone involved.

[Since90+2]

That was truly pathetic and let's face it no one gives us a hope versus Celtic in this final.

Hardly anyone gave us a hope in the semi and look how that turned out.

[BoomtownHibees]

Although I felt he had to go, sacking him before the cup final and denying him the chance to lead the team out doesn't make the club look good. Should have left it until January for what it would have cost. An unlikely win against Celtic and Hearts might have been good for everyone involved.

The issue with that is if the decision to sack him had already been made, what would have happened if we won the cup? Keep him on?

[Coco Bryce]

The issue with that is if the decision to sack him had already been made, what would have happened if we won the cup? Keep him on?

I think that's exactly what's happened here. They have obviously been contemplating sacking him for a while now. And weirdly, they were worried that he might just actually win the cup and then they would never be able to get rid of him.

[bigwheel]

Whether we end up with someone who improves us or not, it seems clear that this was an emotional decision made by our club owner..without any deep thought in advance of what the replacement strategy and impact would be.

As a result for me it is not a confidence builder , and they are deserving of the criticism that they are getting.

Will be a key moment for them. They get it right then they are shown they can make good decisions even when far from popularity. Get it wrong and it will alienate them from a lot of our support .

I have no view of which way it is going to go. hope they get it right.

[WeeRussell]

I like Michael Stewart. I think he’s probably the closest thing we have to Gary Neville in terms of a pundit worth listening to.

However I’m not sure I like the way that article almost implies that it was okay for Collins to be sacked because of player power and his group going behind his back… but it’s outrageous here because nobody did that.

Like I say, I’m not saying Stewart is wrong, or that I’m a fan of John Collins.. just not totally convinced by this particular article on first reading.

I guess his main point is the dressing room wasn’t lost.. which I would wager he’s correct with.

[WeeRussell]

Right, so our successful businessman owner should probably use Michael Stewart as a recruitment advisor then? A Jambo that has more than once struggled to hide his smirk when discussing our struggles. He's entitled his opinion. Scary to think how easy it is to turn people against the club.

Based on tonight I think we've got more Jack Ross supporters than Hibs supporters.

With respect.. I think your comment about him being a jambo and smirking at us is utter nonsense.

I’ve seen him enjoy digging at hearts and Levein and speak very highly of us more often than not.

That doesn’t make him right in this instance though.