hibs.net views on Ross' sacking

[SHODAN]

There's been quite a few threads with differing opinion on here so let's see what the general consensus is.

[Malthibby]

Can we no' have a third 'unsure/ambivalent choice?
Because I just don't know....

[wookie70]

I voted no but it is difficult to tell until we see what happens in the rest of the season and beyond. 4 points in 9 games isn't good enough but I fear if that is the measure after someone has finished 3rd and done brilliantly in cups we are setting ourselves up for quite a few managers in the next few years. I would have voted don't know and the question maybe should be would you have sacked Jack Ross

[AgentDaleCooper]

I voted no but it is difficult to tell until we see what happens in the rest of the season and beyond. 4 points in 9 games isn't good enough but I fear if that is the measure after someone has finished 3rd and done brilliantly in cups we are setting ourselves up for quite a few managers in the next few years. I would have voted don't know and the question maybe should be would you have sacked Jack Ross

exactly my feelings too

[The 90+2]

Can’t vote on the iPhone.

I would say no. There’s no obvious replacement in place or succession plan. Gave him a four year contract which shows commitment to his plan and the future for it all to be ripped up with nobody ready to come in.

[Stanton Spence]

Can't seem to be able to vote on my phone but I'd have to say no
It's no secret that the summer transfer window was a disaster and I still think we were relying on Doig going for a few quid and maybe one other as well and it obviously didn't happen but that's just my opinion.
I also thought Ross had just enough credit in the bank from last seasons third place finish and cup runs to at least get the chance to bring players in the Jan window and see how it goes from there.
I now just hope we can bring in the right man for the job and quickly as we only have 3 weeks until the January window opens so we can't afford to mess this window up either

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[Iggy Pope]

Can we no' have a third 'unsure/ambivalent choice?
Because I just don't know....

Don’t know would run away with it surely.

[Waxy]

I would have vote not yet
Should have been given till the new year derby.
Its done now though and everyone makes mistakes.

[James70]

I would have to say yes as losing had become too much of a habit and the manager seemed to be unable to change things. I think he is a good manager but what is the point of having 60% possession in games when the team are unable to convert that into goals. There have been too many defeats by the odd goal.

Some our signings were poor also and I don't know if they were the manager's choices or if his own staff had recommended these players.

At the end of the day other teams had our methods worked out and knew how to hit us on the break. Our best performances or results seemed to be when we were the team hitting on the break. A new manager will bring his own ideas and tactics which will give us better results on the park hopefully.

Some similarities between us and Ole at Old Trafford.

[Allant1981]

Cant vote on my phone but a no from me

[cabbageandribs1875]

naw








i think

[H18 SFR]

Huge no for me all things considered.

Onward and upward now though.

[Alfred E Newman]

I voted no.
Much as I can see why the club have decided to sack him I don't think this is the right time. League results have certainly been poor but I'm sure we would have picked up enough points to stay well clear of trouble. That would have be the time to decide if he had a future at the club..
I just hope the next guy in the hot seat manages to hit the ground running because if it doesn't work out we could find ourselves in real trouble.

[AliboyFC]

I think they made the correct decision in my opinion He's not the man that will take us forward and you can quite clearly see that by the way we've been playing recently.

[where'stheslope]

Had to vote no as players have been playing terrible for weeks, so that is not all managers fault!
Remember when we were telling the Jumbo's, they were not top of the league, we were on goal difference!
I think the players all thought they had done their work and downed tools?
The teams Jack picked were good on paper, but the players just never lived up to the hype!!!

[Eyrie]

Voted "no".

I'd defended Ross up until the Livingston game so, even although that had me questioning his future if he didn't fix the poor run, I was still surprised to get a text yesterday telling me he'd been fired.

[lord bunberry]

It’s interesting that it’s so close, I think a lot of that is to do with the timing. Had this been during the winter break I’d say the result might be different.

[Keith_M]

Can we no' have a third 'unsure/ambivalent choice?
Because I just don't know....


+1

[Paul1642]

Can’t vote on phone but it’s a no for me. I think he is a good manager and if in a few months time Aberdeen or similar appoint him we will collectivity worry that he will do well with them.

None of the names being touted excite me more than keeping Jack Ross. I would have kept him till the end of the season and made a decision if required then.

[shamo9]

I'll reserve judgement until I see the next in line. I'm leaning towards yes.

[Tarrahib]

The decision has been made.We canna change it.

[Manxhibs]

Correct decision, team looks lost and the style of play looks laboured.

[Waxy]

The dream for a club like us would be to finish third in the league and get to the two cup finals in a year.
Where would we find a that manager?
When was the last year we did that?

[The 90+2]

The dream for a club like us would be to finish third in the league and get to the two cup finals in a year.
Where would we find a that manager?
When was the last year we did that?

I wonder the next time a manager gets us third and a cup final will he be disliked as much as Ross? I bet he’s hailed as a god.

[Northernhibee]

Something happened during or after the game at Ibrox, it has to have. All of a sudden our form dived off a cliff.

There wasn’t an end in sight to the bad form and the Livingston collapse was one too many.

We have to recruit the right guy but if we do and we move up the table again then it’s the right decision.

[Ringothedog]

It has to be a yes for me, our performances for the last 3 months have been dreadful. The buck stops with the head coach, there were no signs that it was going to get better which was the scary thing. If our form continued like this and I understand there are no guarantees that it will get better now, we would be in a relegation battle by the end of the year. He had lost the fans, there was no excitement watching Hibs and I was starting to consider not going to games.

[He's here!]

If I could vote on my phone I'd vote no. Hugely frustrated by results but on reflection I think he should have been given longer.

[madhatter]

I wonder the next time a manager gets us third and a cup final will he be disliked as much as Ross? I bet he’s hailed as a god.

Disliked as much as Jack Ross? The hysterics on here since Jack Ross left suggests many of our fans hold a godlike impression of Jack Ross.

Don't know how good we had it and we'll never get a manager as good as Jack Ross.

Wonder if the next time a manager wins us the Scottish Cup if we'll be as content with him moving to Rotherham?

[LancsHibs]

Can’t vote on phone but is their a don’t know option? It’s impossible to answer. I can see why he was sacked and I’m not overly bothered he’s gone, however, it was harsh just before the cup final and he may have been able to turn it around with another transfer window in January. I suppose it depends how accountable he was for the disastrous transfer window in the summer. If he had a large part to play in it then yes I would say it showed incompetence and had to go if the summer darlings were out of his hands then I would say very harsh. I don’t think we will ever know

[Tambo]

Only time will tell if it was the right move and maybe the board just didn't think Ross would turn it around and have a heavy final defeat and a bad result on the 3rd of Jan.

[PolmontHibby]

A huge no.

Took us to 3rd place last season - we have to go back to 1975 to find a higher finish
Win game % in Cup games massive.

JR getting binned after two months of bad results is not the way I want those that have ownership of Hibernian to behave.

[madhatter]

A huge no.

Took us to 3rd place last season - we have to go back to 1975 to find a higher finish
Win game % in Cup games massive.

JR getting binned after two months of bad results is not the way I want those that have ownership of Hibernian to behave.

How many months of bad results did Heckingbottom get? Were you as outraged then?

[BoomtownHibees]

A huge no.

Took us to 3rd place last season - we have to go back to 1975 to find a higher finish
Win game % in Cup games massive.

JR getting binned after two months of bad results is not the way I want those that have ownership of Hibernian to behave.

How many months of bad results should he have got?

[Since452]

No. He should have got the cup final and the transfer window.

[bordergreen]

I saw a post on another thread somewhere, where the poster said they were sick of watching us do the same thing every week for 70 mins, then trying to chase the game when it had got away from us in the last 20. I have to agree with that. If you do the same thing over and over, with the same result, and don't try to change something to fix that, you are not managing it properly. That goes for a Manager in any industry. A definite yes from me. Personally, I am quite excited to see how Sir David sets the team up. Excited is not a word I have associated with Hibs for a while. Excepting the Hun Skelping at Hampden of course. GGTTH Come on Sir David!

[BoomtownHibees]

No. He should have got the cup final and the transfer window.

You said yourself the other night you couldn’t see a way back for him but now you think he should have got the final and the transfer window?

[greenlex]

Impossible to say if it’s the right decision. We will now never know if it could have been turned round by Ross. What we will know in the fullness of time is if his successor can. He should have been given more time. We played Rangers twice and Celtic in our run. Chuck in Aberdeen away and hearts away and the fixtures were tough. I accept there were poor results and indeed performances in other games and that the pressure was well and truly on but sincerely thought the form and results were temporary. I hope Ron Gordon knows what he is doing. We now have an inexperienced coach leading us through a crucial busy period and a cup final and two games a week. Not ideal.

[Since452]

You said yourself the other night you couldn’t see a way back for him but now you think he should have got the final and the transfer window?

Cold light of day and all that

[EVENTUALLY]

The dream for a club like us would be to finish third in the league and get to the two cup finals in a year.
Where would we find a that manager?
When was the last year we did that?

2016

[cabbageandribs1875]

our chairman getting it tight on sportsound, jack ross deserved that final at the very least :agree:

[NAE NOOKIE]

I voted yes, but it was a very soft yes because I'm not totally sure it was the right decision, only time will tell if it was. If he had been given at least up until the LC final I wouldn't have complained, but I wasn't a big enough fan of JR to be all that annoyed that he has gone and perhaps that is pert of the problem, he was a bit meh personality wise and in many ways his team reflected that.

[PolmontHibby]

How many months of bad results did Heckingbottom get? Were you as outraged then?

Of course not - my first two bullets should make it clear why it was not the same scenario

[PolmontHibby]

How many months of bad results should he have got?

through the final / transfer window / February = 2.5 months in my opinion.

[Mick O'Rourke]

I voted No
Heart ruling head maybe
Reason ?
Jacks emotions and obvious delight in beating the club who had this year,won their first ever premier league title, and progress to League Cup Final
I dont think we have witnessed him being like that since he came to the club.
Maybe he thought another corner had been turned in our progress
So am saying.. he maybe should have stayed and led us out at Hampden for the final.
Only a game away

[madhatter]

Of course not - my first two bullets should make it clear why it was not the same scenario

Ah, so the past dictates what we do in future?

OK, Heckingbottom saved us from a bit of a mess after Lennon, is that worth nothing? If we kept Ross and lost the cup final? Is that enough to outweigh his past? Relegation? When is the point where recent history becomes more important than 12 months ago?

People are now using media (the same people who regularly slate Hibs and Porteous) to justify their positions on "Ross should have got the final", "I cannot believe Hibs sacked Jack Ross"...the same media who have suggested Kevin Thomson and James McPake as replacements. People also seem happy for Ron Gordon to be getting serious scrutiny. Hilariously, the irony is Ron Gordon has only been here for pretty much the same length as Jack Ross (a little longer but not by much) and yet people who are steadfast in their defence of Jack Ross are also willing to aim both barrels at Ron Gordon.

Do people forget that Ron Gordon will have bank-rolled some of the signings we've made and ultimately will have had a part to play in our 3rd place finish and the cup runs because of said investment?

As I said, people are hurting but in my lifetime I've not seen people come down on the side of a previous manager over the club. Certainly not as strong as this. I cannot fathom the idea that fans are using rags to back up their opinions, rags that regularly slaughter Hibs. They love it and we fall for it every time. At every turn they try to make us turn against the club, it's always a huge surprise that a manager has been sacked and it's always Hibs fans that don't know how good they've got as we languish in the bottom six. Cannot wait to write fake transfer rumours about our players. Look how they jumped on the chance to write the tale of the Covid whistleblower.

[stantonhibby]

Ah, so the past dictates what we do in future?

OK, Heckingbottom saved us from a bit of a mess after Lennon, is that worth nothing? If we kept Ross and lost the cup final? Is that enough to outweigh his past? Relegation? When is the point where recent history becomes more important than 12 months ago?

People are now using media (the same people who regularly slate Hibs and Porteous) to justify their positions on "Ross should have got the final", "I cannot believe Hibs sacked Jack Ross"...the same media who have suggested Kevin Thomson and James McPake as replacements. People also seem happy for Ron Gordon to be getting serious scrutiny. Hilariously, the irony is Ron Gordon has only been here for pretty much the same length as Jack Ross (a little longer but not by much) and yet people who are steadfast in their defence of Jack Ross are also willing to aim both barrels at Ron Gordon.

Do people forget that Ron Gordon will have bank-rolled some of the signings we've made and ultimately will have had a part to play in our 3rd place finish and the cup runs because of said investment?

As I said, people are hurting but in my lifetime I've not seen people come down on the side of a previous manager over the club. Certainly not as strong as this. I cannot fathom the idea that fans are using rags to back up their opinions, rags that regularly slaughter Hibs. They love it and we fall for it every time. At every turn they try to make us turn against the club, it's always a huge surprise that a manager has been sacked and it's always Hibs fans that don't know how good they've got as we languish in the bottom six. Cannot wait to write fake transfer rumours about our players. Look how they jumped on the chance to write the tale of the Covid whistleblower.


Jeezo.....give it a rest. Post after post challenging folk who are maybe not 100% sure that sacking Ross was the correct decision. Who knows....time will tell. You mention hysteria in a few of your posts....pot,kettle etc

[Dashing Bob S]

The 50-50 split is probably how it should be. I voted yes, but with a heavy heart, to try and be positive and get behind the club's decision. Could have just as easily voted no but felt a bit of a mug.


You hear a lot from the 'sack him, the football's rubbish and we bottle it at Hampden and the results show we're in fretful' brigade and the 'keep him, he's got us third and into loads of semis/finals and we'll never build anything if we keep sacking managers' crowd, but in truth I don't really know.

[Bridge hibs]

The 50-50 split is probably how it should be. I voted yes, but with a heavy heart, to try and be positive and get behind the club's decision. Could have just as easily voted no but felt a bit of a mug.


You hear a lot from the 'sack him, the football's rubbish and we bottle it at Hampden and the results show we're in fretful' brigade and the 'keep him, he's got us third and into loads of semis/finals and we'll never build anything if we keep sacking managers' crowd, but in truth I don't really know.I agree DBS, its all about ifs and buts, if he got his players in the summer then we possibly wouldnt be discussing this, however results determine managers positions and they were poor. Given a January transfer window on top of the two incomings may have given him a stay of execution, however, poor results and with the team unlikely to arrest this poor form then sadly its on his head

[BT58]

Cant vote on Android phone. YES. Were in a phase in which we cannot get a win or keep clean sheets. I dont actually blame JR in a way as it was obviouse weve needed new strikers in for 2 windows, the loss of CD has been huge. The 1 thing i cannot fathom is that, teams in the past weve had scorers all over the team. Now its Boyle or Nisbet, we need midfielders and defenders scoring too. Campbell scored today so that was a help, but we need an all round contribution from all the team.
B

[Onion]

Voted No, but in fairness nobody knows. Only time will tell.

Signs are worrying that RG doesn't appear to have an obvious replacement lined up, and we're in this horrid position. From end of last season to now, looks like quite a bit of poor management going on at the club in general.

[PolmontHibby]

Ah, so the past dictates what we do in future?

OK, Heckingbottom saved us from a bit of a mess after Lennon, is that worth nothing? If we kept Ross and lost the cup final? Is that enough to outweigh his past? Relegation? When is the point where recent history becomes more important than 12 months ago?

People are now using media (the same people who regularly slate Hibs and Porteous) to justify their positions on "Ross should have got the final", "I cannot believe Hibs sacked Jack Ross"...the same media who have suggested Kevin Thomson and James McPake as replacements. People also seem happy for Ron Gordon to be getting serious scrutiny. Hilariously, the irony is Ron Gordon has only been here for pretty much the same length as Jack Ross (a little longer but not by much) and yet people who are steadfast in their defence of Jack Ross are also willing to aim both barrels at Ron Gordon.

Do people forget that Ron Gordon will have bank-rolled some of the signings we've made and ultimately will have had a part to play in our 3rd place finish and the cup runs because of said investment?

As I said, people are hurting but in my lifetime I've not seen people come down on the side of a previous manager over the club. Certainly not as strong as this. I cannot fathom the idea that fans are using rags to back up their opinions, rags that regularly slaughter Hibs. They love it and we fall for it every time. At every turn they try to make us turn against the club, it's always a huge surprise that a manager has been sacked and it's always Hibs fans that don't know how good they've got as we languish in the bottom six. Cannot wait to write fake transfer rumours about our players. Look how they jumped on the chance to write the tale of the Covid whistleblower.

Wow - I have never had anyone get so excited over one of my posts (or indeed any of my views mainly spouted in Leith pubs and drivel after games to be fair) over the last 45 years - thank you.

[madhatter]

Wow - I have never had anyone get so excited over one of my posts (or indeed any of my views mainly spouted in Leith pubs and drivel after games to be fair) over the last 45 years - thank you.

No problem.

[PolmontHibby]

No problem.

Also no problem - I also have an opinion that JR was too conservative and talked strategy better than implementing it, but I still have the view it was the wrong decision to sack. But I also respect other opinions, and it is divided as this poll shows.