Wrong decision

[The 90+2]

Dramatic much??

Who says we haven't a plan in place, are you expecting the club to come out and say we have X interviewing tomorrow at 2pm, Y meeting on Sunday and we are flying out to meet Z on Monday at his home.

The panic on here is getting worse by the minute, there aren't many clubs that sack a manager and have someone waiting in the car park to walk right in to the last guys tracksuit! We all need to now support the club more than ever and trust the guys in the top jobs are doing their bit and planning for the future.

David Gray will take charge of the First Team as Caretaker Manager for the foreseeable future and will be supported by Eddie May and Craig Samson.

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Profit and dividend growth looks like being above average for the foreseeable future.

[flash]

Personally I couldn't give a flying **** if the players are upset about the manager leaving.
I dare say if I was getting a game every week regardless of form I would feel the same.
I think he deserved the chance to put things right regarding our Hampden record but there's no escaping that we were showing all the signs of a team in free fall.

[MikeyS]

David Gray will take charge of the First Team as Caretaker Manager for the foreseeable future and will be supported by Eddie May and Craig Samson.

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I'd say the key would there is THINK. He could be told tomorrow tea time he isn't needed anymore. Just cos that statement has been made doesn't mean we are going to take ages. We very well could wait ages but equally we could have someone in by Monday. Who knows?

[Dalianwanda]

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Foreseeable future says no more than till a new head coach is found. Talk about filling in the blanks……hyperbole is getting stronger.. You think it will last for a long time, nothing more than that based on a belief.

[The 90+2]

Let's all stop supporting Hibs then. How much are the Jack Ross season tickets?

Hyperbole to the extreme here. Jack Ross said himself that we are entitled our opinions.

I wasn't at Livi and didn't sing "Sacked in the morning". I didn't like Jack Ross football. Maybe that's wrong but that's it. I still bought my ST for this year when I could've spent that elsewhere.

Sometimes get the impression people would rather Hibs had 4-5k uber supportive fans and then the rest stopped paying for STs and turning up.

Support through everything? Is everyone living in the past, think need introduced to modern football.

Jack Ross was Hibs manager. Hibs manager that had us third in the league last year, first time since 2006. Still wasn't good enough for some.

Who has ever bought a season ticket for Hibs to watch great brilliant football?

Have people actually forgotten how rubbish it was the football being severed for about 10 years before ultimate relegation?

This time ten years back we would be happy pumping Hearts a couple times (never happened) and finish in the top six once in a while instead of *****. Now a couple of bad months and it's correct to sack the manager that had us third and has again lead us to a national cup final?

What has actually happened to the support since relegation/cup win? We are Hibs, we will have ***** periods. There's not one single fan back in the day that would have wanted GJP or Mowbray sacked had we been where we are now this season under them following 3rd. Especially not when we are in another final under the manager and have had Covid wipe us out plus injuries and a board who placed our whole transfer dealings on flogging Doig or Nisbet.

[MikeyS]

Personally I couldn't give a flying **** if the players are upset about the manager leaving.
I dare say if I was getting a game every week regardless of form I would feel the same.
I think he deserved the chance to put things right regarding our Hampden record but there's no escaping that we were showing all the signs of a team in free fall.

Correct, I really couldn't give two *****s if it's made Lewis Stevenson cry. It's a results business and his have been shocking for a long enough period that's its now cost him his job.

[The 90+2]

Foreseeable future says no more than till a new head coach is found. Talk about filling in the blanks……hyperbole is getting stronger.. You think it will last for a long time, nothing more than that based on a belief.


It's not going to be 2 days, 5 days or a week. There is no plan in place to have the right man in to replace our manager that's just been sacked.

[Magpie]

Jack Ross was Hibs manager. Hibs manager that had us third in the league last year, first time since 2006. Still wasn't good enough for some.

Who has ever bought a season ticket for Hibs to watch great brilliant football?

Have people actually forgotten how rubbish it was the football being severed for about 10 years before ultimate relegation?

This time ten years back we would be happy pumping Hearts a couple times (never happened) and finish in the top six once in a while instead of *****. Now a couple of bad months and it's correct to sack the manager that had us third and has again lead us to a national cup final?

What has actually happened to the support since relegation/cup win? We are Hibs, we will have ***** periods. There's not one single fan back in the day that would have wanted GJP or Mowbray sacked had we been where we are now this season under them following 3rd. Especially not when we are in another final under the manager and have had Covid wipe us out plus injuries and a board who placed our whole transfer dealings on flogging Doig or Nisbet.

You have consistently ripped into Neil Lennon who actually has a better league record than Ross as Hibs manager.

[The 90+2]

I'd say the key would there is THINK. He could be told tomorrow tea time he isn't needed anymore. Just cos that statement has been made doesn't mean we are going to take ages. We very well could wait ages but equally we could have someone in by Monday. Who knows?


If he's in this time next week I'll apologise then Mikey. Until then it's up to the club, who have shown nothing to give us confidence it will be the case, to prove me wrong.

[MikeyS]

Jack Ross was Hibs manager. Hibs manager that had us third in the league last year, first time since 2006. Still wasn't good enough for some.

Who has ever bought a season ticket for Hibs to watch great brilliant football?

Have people actually forgotten how rubbish it was the football being severed for about 10 years before ultimate relegation?

This time ten years back we would be happy pumping Hearts a couple times (never happened) and finish in the top six once in a while instead of *****. Now a couple of bad months and it's correct to sack the manager that had us third and has again lead us to a national cup final?

What has actually happened to the support since relegation/cup win? We are Hibs, we will have ***** periods. There's not one single fan back in the day that would have wanted GJP or Mowbray sacked had we been where we are now this season under them following 3rd. Especially not when we are in another final under the manager and have had Covid wipe us out plus injuries and a board who placed our whole transfer dealings on flogging Doig or Nisbet.

I agree with that last paragraph actually mate, but I would add that the reason Mowbray & McLeish would have been given more time is that they had us playing good fitba and you could see a style they stuck too. That certainly isn't the case with Jack Ross. We saw it in glimpses but the majority of the time he was definitely showing his learnings from Levein.

[The 90+2]

You have consistently ripped into Neil Lennon who actually has a better league record than Ross as Hibs manager.

He lead us to third and into 2 finals?

[lord bunberry]

Jack Ross was Hibs manager. Hibs manager that had us third in the league last year, first time since 2006. Still wasn't good enough for some.

Who has ever bought a season ticket for Hibs to watch great brilliant football?

Have people actually forgotten how rubbish it was the football being severed for about 10 years before ultimate relegation?

This time ten years back we would be happy pumping Hearts a couple times (never happened) and finish in the top six once in a while instead of *****. Now a couple of bad months and it's correct to sack the manager that had us third and has again lead us to a national cup final?

What has actually happened to the support since relegation/cup win? We are Hibs, we will have ***** periods. There's not one single fan back in the day that would have wanted GJP or Mowbray sacked had we been where we are now this season under them following 3rd. Especially not when we are in another final under the manager and have had Covid wipe us out plus injuries and a board who placed our whole transfer dealings on flogging Doig or Nisbet.
In Ross we had a the rare opportunity to have a manager that was in it for the long haul, now we’re back to the usual cycle of hiring and firing that twice in the recent past has led to second tier football.

[Magpie]

He lead us to third and into 2 finals?

In regards of points per game, Lennon was better.

[The 90+2]

I agree with that last paragraph actually mate, but I would add that the reason Mowbray & McLeish would have been given more time is that they had us playing good fitba and you could see a style they stuck too. That certainly isn't the case with Jack Ross. We saw it in glimpses but the majority of the time he was definitely showing his learnings from Levein.


:aok: I've said my bit anyway. We all want whats best, regardless.

[The 90+2]

In regards of points per game, Lennon was better.

In what really matters, league position and cup finals, he wasn't.

[MikeyS]

If he's in this time next week I'll apologise then Mikey. Until then it's up to the club, who have shown nothing to give us confidence it will be the case, to prove me wrong.

I get that mate and I'll be a bit concerned of it gets to end of next week without any movement but what are you actually expecting from the club? They can't and shouldn't be providing us with updates everytime they think of a new name.theyve already releases the statement that you quoted earlier and that's fine. It's starting point and now allows Gray & May to get the team ready for a massive game tomorrow

[The 90+2]

In Ross we had a the rare opportunity to have a manager that was in it for the long haul, now we’re back to the usual cycle of hiring and firing that twice in the recent past has led to second tier football.

:agree: Unlike Lennon, who lets face it, couldn't give a ***** about Hibernian.

[Magpie]

In what really matters, league position and cup finals, he wasn't.

Cup finals are only an achievement if you win them. We came 3rd during a global pandemic where Hearts were in the Championship and Aberdeen were awful. As I said, Lennon had better points per game in the Scottish Premiership than Jack Ross. You despise Lennon, some people dislike Ross. It is what it is, get over it.

[madhatter]

In Ross we had a the rare opportunity to have a manager that was in it for the long haul, now we’re back to the usual cycle of hiring and firing that twice in the recent past has led to second tier football.

Serious question - do you think Jack Ross would go "no, you are ok, I'm building something at Hibs" if we had another 3rd place finish and an English Championship club came in for him?

[Skol]

The Ross out brigade really better hope we get someone in who does achieve their aims. They have forced the hand of the club into a knee jerk reaction. I agree things recently had been poor, but overall Ross was performing well and deserved our support and time.

If we find the new manager doesn’t get us to hampden and doesn’t have us in the top six, never mind the top two, where do we turn.

[MikeyS]

:aok: I've said my bit anyway. We all want whats best, regardless.

100% agree on this pal, we all just want the best. GGTTH

[The 90+2]

I get that mate and I'll be a bit concerned of it gets to end of next week without any movement but what are you actually expecting from the club? They can't and shouldn't be providing us with updates everytime they think of a new name.theyve already releases the statement that you quoted earlier and that's fine. It's starting point and now allows Gray & May to get the team ready for a massive game tomorrow

I don't think they can give us more as there's nowt to give as I personally feel they've done it with no back up.

Last part I agree. It's what matters most short term.

[we are hibs]

The Ross out brigade really better hope we get someone in who does achieve their aims. They have forced the hand of the club into a knee jerk reaction. I agree things recently had been poor, but overall Ross was performing well and deserved our support and time.

If we find the new manager doesn’t get us to hampden and doesn’t have us in the top six, never mind the top two, where do we turn.The fans didnt force the hand of anyone. Thats pish.


Ron Gordon/Ben Kensell sacked Jack Ross. Not any fans.

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[B.H.F.C]

Jack Ross was Hibs manager. Hibs manager that had us third in the league last year, first time since 2006. Still wasn't good enough for some.

Who has ever bought a season ticket for Hibs to watch great brilliant football?

Have people actually forgotten how rubbish it was the football being severed for about 10 years before ultimate relegation?

This time ten years back we would be happy pumping Hearts a couple times (never happened) and finish in the top six once in a while instead of *****. Now a couple of bad months and it's correct to sack the manager that had us third and has again lead us to a national cup final?

What has actually happened to the support since relegation/cup win? We are Hibs, we will have ***** periods. There's not one single fan back in the day that would have wanted GJP or Mowbray sacked had we been where we are now this season under them following 3rd. Especially not when we are in another final under the manager and have had Covid wipe us out plus injuries and a board who placed our whole transfer dealings on flogging Doig or Nisbet.

I don’t think many Hibs managers have ever, or will ever, survive a run of one win in nine league games. People keep harping back to last season but it’s long gone and getting worse. Couple the run with the fairly frequent horror shows throughout his time and falling attendances, it was hardly a surprise he was sacked. He wasn’t just sacked based on the last few weeks.

[B.H.F.C]

The fans didnt force the hand of anyone. Thats pish.


Ron Gordon/Ben Kensell sacked Jack Ross. Not any fans.

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Their absence would have definitely been part of their thinking though.

[madhatter]

The Ross out brigade really better hope we get someone in who does achieve their aims. They have forced the hand of the club into a knee jerk reaction. I agree things recently had been poor, but overall Ross was performing well and deserved our support and time.

If we find the new manager doesn’t get us to hampden and doesn’t have us in the top six, never mind the top two, where do we turn.

"The Ross Out Brigade" and "Forced the hand"...jeez, some really really negative opinions of fellow fans spilling out at the moment.

Jack Ross and the players lost matches. Me sitting at home watching games on HibsTV does not lose those matches.

[Is It On....]

It was 100% the correct decision. The only direction we were heading in was downwards. Yes, there were injuries and suspensions to key players, but what manager doesn't face those? At the end of the day, contrary to what Bobby Williamson said, football IS about entertainment - there was none of that with Ross. I'm relieved he's gone.

6 points away from 4th and some people say "give him time" but 5 points from the relegation zone means "bye bye" from Ron. I think we have a good squad and JR was struggling to get the best from it so I would say it's the correct decision.

[MWHIBBIES]

It looks like Ron is ruthless but not in a scattergun way. People have in his eyes not performed so they have been let go. He wants hibs to perform at as high a level as possible and if he thinks he can implement change to do that, maybe he can.

You just dont know how his approach to hiring the next manager will go. He may for example say ok i'll advance funds so we can pay the salary of someone out of our previous budget, as he sees that as a long term investment.

I remember but cant quote it a reporter asking Ross about his relationship with Gordon a few months after he'd bought the club, he'd said they golfed a few times etc BUT i got the feeling Ross knew Ron was never going to be his buddy.

Going by form, his son will be punted next if January recruitment isn't good.

[Lancs Harp]

In modern day football any manager of a professional football club with a 1 win 1 draw 8 defeats record in the league is going to be under severe pressure.

I wish Jack well for the future, I was never really convinced by him but he's a decent bloke and now Im looking forward to the latest chapter in our history.

Pretty sure a mate said he saw Pep at Edinburgh airport earlier today :wink::greengrin

[Skol]

"The Ross Out Brigade" and "Forced the hand"...jeez, some really really negative opinions of fellow fans spilling out at the moment.

Jack Ross and the players lost matches. Me sitting at home watching games on HibsTV does not lose those matches.

So what happens if the replacement has us struggling out of the cups and in the bottom six ?

[The 90+2]

Cup finals are only an achievement if you win them. We came 3rd during a global pandemic where Hearts were in the Championship and Aberdeen were awful. As I said, Lennon had better points per game in the Scottish Premiership than Jack Ross. You despise Lennon, some people dislike Ross. It is what it is, get over it.

We are in another cup final next week with a big chance of winning having turned over the champions with JR in charge.

3 came third regardless. Stop making excuses because you didn’t like Jack Ross for some reason. Lennon took us up and then finished fourth. Decent but not quite Jack Ross territory history will show.

[The 90+2]

I don’t think many Hibs managers have ever, or will ever, survive a run of one win in nine league games. People keep harping back to last season but it’s long gone and getting worse. Couple the run with the fairly frequent horror shows throughout his time and falling attendances, it was hardly a surprise he was sacked. He wasn’t just sacked based on the last few weeks.

I do understand this. And it wasn’t a complete surprise. I would have shown the guy who signed a four year contract to continue managing us after having us third last year though especially after we are in a final next week and especially it’s complete guess work if we can attract a better manager. I personally have doubts we will.

[Dalianwanda]

It's not going to be 2 days, 5 days or a week. There is no plan in place to have the right man in to replace our manager that's just been sacked.

But we don’t know that for sure. I’m pretty gutted that JR has gone. I wanted him to succeed but when i heard the news i was surprised how relieved i was (not happy). We can talk about succession planning but unless that’s coming from within the club how can we have someone lined up. I can’t think of a time where it has previously either. We have no one groomed to step in & the rest of the suggestions are just gossip. It’s going to take a little time and the club have put SDG & the rest in charge till then.

[WhileTheChief..]

So what happens if the replacement has us struggling out of the cups and in the bottom six ?

He gets emptied and we go again.

[The 90+2]

So what happens if the replacement has us struggling out of the cups and in the bottom six ?

The cycle will continue for a few years. Then it will be seen as a success if we make the top six, completely forgetting the position we finished last season and how easily the manager we just sack could get us in the top six despite a poor season.

[The 90+2]

But we don’t know that for sure. I’m pretty gutted that JR has gone. I wanted him to succeed but when i heard the news i was surprised how relieved i was (not happy). We can talk about succession planning but unless that’s coming from within the club how can we have someone lined up. I can’t think of a time where it has previously either. We have no one groomed to step in & the rest of the suggestions are just gossip. It’s going to take a little time and the club have put SDG & the rest in charge till then.

That’s all true.

It’s the “don’t know” that makes me feel it’s the wrong decision though.

I don’t think in fact, think we will attract a better coach than Ross.

[The 90+2]

He gets emptied and we go again.

Keeps they Crypto dudes selling the manager figures wherever they are happy I suppose.

[madhatter]

So what happens if the replacement has us struggling out of the cups and in the bottom six ?

What would happen if Jack Ross had done the same? Are we living in hypothetical land now? Or are we living in the past?

A manager living on past successes (bear in mind we didn't win a cup) is really fitting of Sentimental FC in fairness.

We were on an upward trajectory under Jack Ross but his successes have to be tempered - no Hearts, terrible Celtic and Aberdeen and we trundled to 3rd. Still a success though. Cups? Great runs but stinking finishes. Success but very very sore.

In more recent history we were on a sharp decline under Jack Ross. He looked and sounded lost in his post match against Livi. Players looked clueless as well.

Recruitment in the summer was scandalous but this is almost exactly the same squad as last season. Yes, injuries have hit but the squad on paper (even excluding injured) should be good enough to win most of the time against the smaller clubs in our league.

[Magpie]

We are in another cup final next week with a big chance of winning having turned over the champions with JR in charge.

3 came third regardless. Stop making excuses because you didn’t like Jack Ross for some reason. Lennon took us up and then finished fourth. Decent but not quite Jack Ross territory history will show.

I don’t dislike Jack Ross, he has never done anything to me. For large parts of his time with us though I just don’t think he was the right man which has inevitably led to his sacking. We finished fourth with 4 more points than we did finishing 3rd last season. I just wanted to point out that I don’t understand why you are having a go at folk for not liking Jack Ross after what he’s ‘achieved’ with us when Lennon statistically was better, who you evidently don’t like. But now I understand you dislike him for personal reasons rather than footballing reasons.

[The 90+2]

What would happen if Jack Ross had done the same? Are we living in hypothetical land now? Or are we living in the past?

A manager living on past successes (bear in mind we didn't win a cup) is really fitting of Sentimental FC in fairness.

We were on an upward trajectory under Jack Ross but his successes have to be tempered - no Hearts, terrible Celtic and Aberdeen and we trundled to 3rd. Still a success though. Cups? Great runs but stinking finishes. Success but very very sore.

In more recent history we were on a sharp decline under Jack Ross. He looked and sounded lost in his post match against Livi. Players looked clueless as well.

Recruitment in the summer was scandalous but this is almost exactly the same squad as last season. Yes, injuries have hit but the squad on paper (even excluding injured) should be good enough to win most of the time against the smaller clubs in our league.

If you want to belittle his achievements with us because of poor sides then bear in mind it’s a much much stronger Celtic and Hearts this year, a Rangers side who have just again qualified for the next stage of the Europa and are top of the league and… we are again in a final next week under Jack Ross.

[B.H.F.C]

I do understand this. And it wasn’t a complete surprise. I would have shown the guy who signed a four year contract to continue managing us after having us third last year though especially after we are in a final next week and especially it’s complete guess work if we can attract a better manager. I personally have doubts we will.

I personally thought he would have got the final. Even walking out of the ground on Wednesday, thinking his time was up, I still didn’t expect it would be. But when I heard him talking on the radio on the way home, he was a beaten man. And the players had absolutely chucked it as well. He did do well last season, could/should have been better, but I don’t think he was recovering from this position.

[The 90+2]

I don’t dislike Jack Ross, he has never done anything to me. For large parts of his time with us though I just don’t think he was the right man which has inevitably led to his sacking. We finished fourth with 4 more points than we did finishing 3rd last season. I just wanted to point out that I don’t understand why you are having a go at folk for not liking Jack Ross after what he’s ‘achieved’ with us when Lennon statistically was better, who you evidently don’t like. But now I understand you dislike him for personal reasons rather than footballing reasons.

What personal reasons would I dislike Lennon? He’s a Celtic **** who couldn’t care about hibs, yes. I don’t know the guy though.

[The 90+2]

I personally thought he would have got the final. Even walking out of the ground on Wednesday, thinking his time was up, I still didn’t expect it would be. But when I heard him talking on the radio on the way home, he was a beaten man. And the players had absolutely chucked it as well. He did do well last season, could/should have been better, but I don’t think he was recovering from this position.

Fair dos mate.

[madhatter]

If you want to belittle his achievements with us because of poor sides then bear in mind it’s a much much stronger Celtic and Hearts this year, a Rangers side who have just again qualified for the next stage of the Europa and are top of the league and… we are again in a final next week under Jack Ross.

You are a master in hyperbole..."belittle".

How have Celtic become stronger this year? What's made them stronger?

[Magpie]

What personal reasons would I dislike Lennon? He’s a Celtic **** who couldn’t care about hibs, yes. I don’t know the guy though.

I actually thought Lennon backed us whenever he could as manager, especially in press conferences etc. You say you don’t know him though so you surely wouldn’t know whether he cared about us or not.

[The 90+2]

You are a master in hyperbole..."belittle".

How have Celtic become stronger this year? What's made them stronger?

You don’t think Celtic look better this season than last?

My eyes tell me they are much better team and perhaps the fact they are also in a final next week, closer to the top of the league and smashing sides from time to time while a new manager builds his own team.

[madhatter]

You don’t think Celtic look better this season than last?

My eyes tell me they are much better team and perhaps the fact they are also in a final next week, closer to the top of the league and smashing sides from time to time while a new manager builds his own team.

Yes, they look better. I was asking how do you think they have become stronger?

You've answered - new manager.

[Skol]

Yes, they look better. I was asking how do you think they have become stronger?

You've answered - new manager.

And who did he replace ? Oh yeah they guy who changed our mentality to not accept third.

[madhatter]

And who did he replace ? Oh yeah they guy who changed our mentality to not accept third.

What are we even talking about here?

Do you think I'm a bring back Lennon supporter or something?

[lord bunberry]

Serious question - do you think Jack Ross would go "no, you are ok, I'm building something at Hibs" if we had another 3rd place finish and an English Championship club came in for him?
A top end club then definitely not, but he was clearly in no rush to leave after his previous experience down there.

[Skol]

What are we even talking about here?

Do you think I'm a bring back Lennon supporter or something?

Wasn’t you but someone made that claim earlier.

I accept we are on a bad run and questions are rightly being asked. However the record of Ross is comparable with all other managers in my time of being a hibs supporter and I feel he deserved more time.

[madhatter]

A top end club then definitely not, but he was clearly in no rush to leave after his previous experience down there.

How do you know this? Unless I've missed most of them, there has been far fewer managerial moves during Covid due to the uncertainty around the game. Especially during lockdowns etc.

If nobody wants him so bad as to lodge interest and pay Hibs compensation, where would he rush off to?

Loyalty in football lives in the minds of football fans. When was the last time we had a good manager that stayed when he became sought after?

2 good seasons and most managers will be away from Hibs. Up until recently it was almost the same for players as well. Good player = Celtic or Rangers steal them. That'll probably happen again soon sadly.

[madhatter]

Wasn’t you but someone made that claim earlier.

I accept we are on a bad run and questions are rightly being asked. However the record of Ross is comparable with all other managers in my time of being a hibs supporter and I feel he deserved more time.

I've no problem with that. Sadly though, he didn't get it and being brutally honest, in my opinion, based on his post match interview against Livi and the team performance in that game I could only see us going one way. It looked very ominous.

Ron Gordon will need to pump money in to fix this problem in January transfer window. He decides who deserves what. He decided Graeme Mathie didn't deserve more time, he's done the same with Jack Ross. Now, if Ron Gordon skimps in January...well I'll be the first to question what the hell he is doing.

[lord bunberry]

How do you know this? Unless I've missed most of them, there has been far fewer managerial moves during Covid due to the uncertainty around the game. Especially during lockdowns etc.

If nobody wants him so bad as to lodge interest and pay Hibs compensation, where would he rush off to?

Loyalty in football lives in the minds of football fans. When was the last time we had a good manager that stayed when he became sought after?

2 good seasons and most managers will be away from Hibs. Up until recently it was almost the same for players as well. Good player = Celtic or Rangers steal them. That'll probably happen again soon sadly.
My post should have said unless it’s a top end club I didn’t think he’d leave. Obviously I don’t know if that would have been the case but you asked my opinion.

[Skol]

Let’s look at hibs post turnbull. Which hibs managers record in that time would we want from our next manager .

[PH91]

The club will never be where it wants to be i.e. best of the rest over a sustained period, if continually changing managers every couple of years.

The only 2 clubs in scotland outwith celtic and the rangers that i can remember having any sustained 'success' in the league recently are aberdeen and st johnstone and that was delivered by managers who were there long term.

Hibs finally seemed to have a medium to long term plan and a manager who bought into that and was a part of creating it. And instead of backing the man we appointed and recently gave a new contract to we have sh*t it at the first sustained period of poor form. Now the cycle starts over again with a new manager with new ideas. I'm sick of it.

[onfire]

Buy the club off Ron and his crew then. This narrative of its everyone else's fault at the club apart from Jack Ross is getting silly now.

Graeme Mathie to begin with and now just a scattergun approach...

I support Hibs. Do you support Jack Ross?

The man himself said the results in the recent run are nowhere near good enough for Hibs.

agree with jacks comments - it’s been a terrible run and don’t think anyone doesn’t agree with that. However with everything that jack achieved for us and also taking into account the unique circumstances that has brought about the bad run is partlyout with his hands, and this should have bought him more time IMO. A large % of fans think this do the players.

Ron proclaimed jack was long term and building something special- now this has happened and I’ve lost some trust in whatRon has said and what he had done - they don’t match.

We would all like to buy hibs and not taking away from Ron doing this - but Am now in the cautious category with his intentions having fully bought into what he proclaimed initially - for what’s its worth agreed with him sacking hecky - and he gave him a decent amount of time to fix things.

In hindsight I’ve popped at Ben kensell incorrectly as seems it was Ron that pulled the plug - which he can do as owner - not that I agree.

[madhatter]

The club will never be where it wants to be i.e. best of the rest over a sustained period, if continually changing managers every couple of years.

The only 2 clubs in scotland outwith celtic and the rangers that i can remember having any sustained 'success' in the league recently are aberdeen and st johnstone and that was delivered by managers who were there long term.

Hibs finally seemed to have a medium to long term plan and a manager who bought into that and was a part of creating it. And instead of backing the man we appointed and recently gave a new contract to we have sh*t it at the first sustained period of poor form. Now the cycle starts over again with a new manager with new ideas. I'm sick of it.

Where is this narrative coming from? Jack Ross' everlasting loyalty and dedication to Hibs stuff...

He's a human being in modern society. Even as a Hibs fan, if an EPL club came in to get me as their manager after I had 2 good years at Hibs I'd probably go. Money talks.

Mowbray left us pretty rapid. Wasn't sacked. Stubbs who won us the cup left, wasn't sacked.

[B.H.F.C]

Where is this narrative coming from? Jack Ross' everlasting loyalty and dedication to Hibs stuff...

He's a human being in modern society. Even as a Hibs fan, if an EPL club came in to get me as their manager after I had 2 good years at Hibs I'd probably go. Money talks.

Mowbray left us pretty rapid. Wasn't sacked. Stubbs who won us the cup left, wasn't sacked.

Not often we lose a manager to another team.

And we don’t often get sackings wrong, can’t think of anyone who we’ve emptied that has went on to better/bigger things as a manger. JR has probably had his two biggest jobs already.

[PH91]

Where is this narrative coming from? Jack Ross' everlasting loyalty and dedication to Hibs stuff...

He's a human being in modern society. Even as a Hibs fan, if an EPL club came in to get me as their manager after I had 2 good years at Hibs I'd probably go. Money talks.

Mowbray left us pretty rapid. Wasn't sacked. Stubbs who won us the cup left, wasn't sacked.

I never said anything about Ross' loyalty. For the last 2 decades hibs have continally changed managers and not once has it brought sustained success. I would like the owners to appoint someone that matches their ambition, have patience and belief in the long term plan and stick by him when the first bad period inevitably comes along, even when the fans, who are understandably more emotional, are losing their heads.

A manager leaving for a job at a higher level is a different story and not something that hibs can control.

[Lancs Harp]

The threads turned into a bit of a disappointing read. Some peoples opinions seem more important than the issue.

Your beauty and kindness
Made tears clear my blindness
While Im worth my room on this Earth
I will be with you

Hibs

[JimBHibees]

David Gray will take charge of the First Team as Caretaker Manager for the foreseeable future and will be supported by Eddie May and Craig Samson.

for the foreseeable future


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Profit and dividend growth looks like being above average for the foreseeable future.










Foreseeable future just means until something changes e.g new manager. It could be tomorrow it could be a month away

[JimBHibees]

It's not going to be 2 days, 5 days or a week. There is no plan in place to have the right man in to replace our manager that's just been sacked.

You don't know that

[The 90+2]

You don't know that

I don't. Let's hope I'm wrong. :agree:

[Danderhall Hibs]

Cup finals are only an achievement if you win them. We came 3rd during a global pandemic where Hearts were in the Championship and Aberdeen were awful. As I said, Lennon had better points per game in the Scottish Premiership than Jack Ross. You despise Lennon, some people dislike Ross. It is what it is, get over it.

So is 4th place and a lost semi better than 3rd place and a lost final?

Born winner etc.

[theonlywayisup]

Foreseeable future just means until something changes e.g new manager. It could be tomorrow it could be a month away

It is commonly accepted that anyone using the term "foreseeable future" means a period that isn't anytime soon.

Immediate – required now or within approximately 1-2 weeks;
Imminent – required within 6 weeks;
Foreseeable future – required within next 6 months;
Longer term – required within next 12 months or subsequently

The above is just an example timeline, of course.

[JimBHibees]

It is commonly accepted that anyone using the term "foreseeable future" means a period that isn't anytime soon.

Immediate – required now or within approximately 1-2 weeks;
Imminent – required within 6 weeks;
Foreseeable future – required within next 6 months;
Longer term – required within next 12 months or subsequently

The above is just an example timeline, of course.

Your just making they definitions up. Foreseeable just means the future you can see or predict i.e until new guy comes in.

[Magpie]

So is 4th place and a lost semi better than 3rd place and a lost final?

Born winner etc.

Finishing top four is the expectation at Hibs. How you get on in the cup is a failure unless you actually win the trophy. Taking 4 points from a possible 27 is what gets you sacked and that’s which led to the end of Lennon and Ross’s tenure.

[MWHIBBIES]

Finishing top four is the expectation at Hibs. How you get on in the cup is a failure unless you actually win the trophy. Taking 4 points from a possible 27 is what gets you sacked and that’s which led to the end of Lennon and Ross’s tenure.


I don't think your line about the cup is fair at all. Hibs getting consistently to semis and finals adds millions to the club. Without them we'd be much worse off over the last 12 years.

[madhatter]

I never said anything about Ross' loyalty. For the last 2 decades hibs have continally changed managers and not once has it brought sustained success. I would like the owners to appoint someone that matches their ambition, have patience and belief in the long term plan and stick by him when the first bad period inevitably comes along, even when the fans, who are understandably more emotional, are losing their heads.

A manager leaving for a job at a higher level is a different story and not something that hibs can control.

Did you not say Hibs had a manager who bought into their medium to long term plan? Namely, Jack Ross. Is that not by association saying that Jack Ross had pledged loyalty to Hibs?

"Bad" manager = don't sack him he may learn.
"Good" manager on "Bad" run = don't sack he might turn it round.
"Good" manager having a blinder = can't blame him for leaving the club should someone come in.

Based on fans interpretions of "Good" and "Bad" and the like it seems we never want the club to sack a manager until its desperate but we cannot blame a good manager for leaving when things are good.

As we're talking hypothetically here. What if Jack Ross had a stormer this season and Hull City came in for him and he left? Thank you for being at our little old club stuff? Stubbs won us the cup and I didn't see people losing their minds on him leaving. Nobody got the pitchforks out and said club are a mess. Probably too drunk but nevertheless.

Sometimes it genuinely feels like people support the manager rather than the club.

[Libby Hibby]

Ross wasn’t going to turn things around. Teams had sussed us out and he didn’t know how to change things. Even when we won the style of football was boring.

I wish him all the best in the future, he seemed a likeable guy.

[Magpie]

I don't think your line about the cup is fair at all. Hibs getting consistently to semis and finals adds millions to the club. Without them we'd be much worse off over the last 12 years.

Financially they are a boost and we have done well in them in the last decade but losing to the likes of Hearts, Falkirk, St Johnstone and Ross County doesn’t come across as an achievement in them even if we did make the semi final/final.

[The 90+2]

Your just making they definitions up. Foreseeable just means the future you can see or predict i.e until new guy comes in.

Why wouldn't the club just say "at this time"? Unless it's the communication team again at it and that I would understand.

[The 90+2]

Financially they are a boost and we have done well in them in the last decade but losing to the likes of Hearts, Falkirk, St Johnstone and Ross County doesn’t come across as an achievement in them even if we did make the semi final/final.

Making a final is more of an achievement than not making a final. It's ridiculous to say otherwise.

[Lancs Harp]

Football is a fickle game, its about now not yesterday. Jack has just gone 1 win 1 draw 8 defeats in the league. In todays parlance that makes last season irrelevant. whether he is regarded as a success last season finishing 3rd that cannont be said of this season languising in the bottom half. The decison to sack him is abut this season not last.

[The 90+2]

Ross wasn’t going to turn things around. Teams had sussed us out and he didn’t know how to change things. Even when we won the style of football was boring.

I wish him all the best in the future, he seemed a likeable guy.


I could reply saying "how do you know?" which seems to be the way the other way around but I understand where you are coming from and respect your opinion. Genuinely.

[Magpie]

Making a final is more of an achievement than not making a final. It's ridiculous to say otherwise.

We consider ourselves one of the top four teams in Scotland, if we avoid the Old Firm prior to the semi final we should be achieving at least the Quarter/Semi finals of each competition - which we thankfully have done over the years. To then lose a semi final or final against a Hearts, Falkirk, Ross County or St Johnstone I don’t think should be sugar coated over as being some success.

In 30 years people will look back at the winners of the competitions, not the runners up or semi finalists.

[MWHIBBIES]

We consider ourselves one of the top four teams in Scotland, if we avoid the Old Firm prior to the semi final we should be achieving at least the Quarter/Semi finals of each competition - which we thankfully have done over the years. To then lose a semi final or final against a Hearts, Falkirk, Ross County or St Johnstone I don’t think should be sugar coated over as being some success.

In 30 years people will look back at the winners of the competitions, not the runners up or semi finalists.

I'll 100% look back at some great semi final moments in 30 years.

[Libby Hibby]

I could reply saying "how do you know?" which seems to be the way the other way around but I understand where you are coming from and respect your opinion. Genuinely.

You’re right, I don’t but to me, it was the same, boring possession football with Ross, if we scored first, we were likely to win, if we didn’t then we were likely to draw or get beat. It was the same team every week, very little change in tempo, style, formation and tactics. The fans were voting with their feet, even the players looked bored in the last few games.

Something needed to change.

[Callum_62]

4 points out of 27

They points were all gained recently

Going into a cup final with someone who hasnt managed a game in there puff

I hope I'm wrong and we unveil a really exciting appointment next week but the timing is certainly off for me

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[PH91]

Did you not say Hibs had a manager who bought into their medium to long term plan? Namely, Jack Ross. Is that not by association saying that Jack Ross had pledged loyalty to Hibs?

"Bad" manager = don't sack him he may learn.
"Good" manager on "Bad" run = don't sack he might turn it round.
"Good" manager having a blinder = can't blame him for leaving the club should someone come in.

Based on fans interpretions of "Good" and "Bad" and the like it seems we never want the club to sack a manager until its desperate but we cannot blame a good manager for leaving when things are good.

As we're talking hypothetically here. What if Jack Ross had a stormer this season and Hull City came in for him and he left? Thank you for being at our little old club stuff? Stubbs won us the cup and I didn't see people losing their minds on him leaving. Nobody got the pitchforks out and said club are a mess. Probably too drunk but nevertheless.

Sometimes it genuinely feels like people support the manager rather than the club.

I want hibs to stick by a manager beyond the first bad spell for the benefit of hibs, not for the benefit of the manager.

[blackpoolhibs]

If there is a succession plan then I would expect things to happen quickly.

Hibs won't pay compensation to another club IMHO so the identified target should be able to brought in without delay.

Where is he?

It's only been 2 days, i'm thinking with fingers crossed we have someone in by the end of the weekend.:greengrin

[Real Emerald]

You’re right, I don’t but to me, it was the same, boring possession football with Ross, if we scored first, we were likely to win, if we didn’t then we were likely to draw or get beat. It was the same team every week, very little change in tempo, style, formation and tactics. The fans were voting with their feet, even the players looked bored in the last few games.

Something needed to change.

I agree that nothing exciting and blood pumping was ever going to happen with JR but I still think he was trying to play with a totally depleted and inadequate squad. I’ve still no idea who is responsible for that which is really important to know. Is it the manager, recruitment team or the owner? If it wasn’t the manager’s fault we’re no further forward.

[madhatter]

I want hibs to stick by a manager beyond the first bad spell for the benefit of hibs, not for the benefit of the manager.

Is it OK to sack on second bad spell?

Im assuming you're supporting Hibs but are content with a successful manager leaving the club to further his career? So deal is Hibs shouldn't sack a manager based on arbitrary rules even though owner presumably is parting with his own money but manager can leave whenever he likes? Ron, give me a call I think I'm your man. Cushy gig this.

Do you know that keeping a manager beyond first bad spell is benefiting Hibs beyond saving on compensation?

Keeping a manager is not a known. Keeping a manager or replacing are both unknowns.

You don't know if Jack Ross would have turned it round. We also don't know if his replacement will do better.

Think people need to watch/re-watch the last post match interview. I saw a man who had clearly worked his socks off and tried his best but was really struggling with the run. He made specific reference to his 2 year spell and the current run, as much as to say, "we've never had this before". Maybe he needed more help etc.

Funny thing in all of this, did we have a "Wrong decision" thread when Graeme Mathie got sacked? Were there calls of "I want my club to stand by its Sporting Director"? Nah, even now people are justifying Graeme Mathie's sacking with some verve as it protects the honour and dignity of Jack Ross. Get the Sporting Director binned, long live the Manager!

[PH91]

Keeping a manager is not a known. Keeping a manager or replacing are both unknowns.

You don't know if Jack Ross would have turned it round. We also don't know if his replacement will do better.

I agree and I think there are strong arguments on both sides.

I just think that the last 20 years tells us that replacing the manager will have little effect and we will be back here in 2 years time starting the cycle again, no further forward in our attempts to consistently be the 'best of the rest'.

I'd like to see the club try the other approach. I believe he would have turned it around and we would benefit from having a manager who has been through the experience and learnt from it. We will never know.

[Dalianwanda]

That’s all true.

It’s the “don’t know” that makes me feel it’s the wrong decision though.

I don’t think in fact, think we will attract a better coach than Ross.

I don’t know either. Every coach has a shelf life whether punted or poached. JR league form deserved action as he wasn’t showing us, through the team, that he knew how to change that. I’m optimistic that there will be some impressive candidates but only times will tell.

[B.H.F.C]

I want hibs to stick by a manager beyond the first bad spell for the benefit of hibs, not for the benefit of the manager.

We had an ability to be really bad under JR at fairly regular points but he always managed to stop it becoming too much of a slide before. He wasn’t showing any signs of doing that this time. Chuck in the fact nobody was bothering to go and watch his team. He wasn’t just sacked based on one run of results, no chance.

[madhatter]

I agree and I think there are strong arguments on both sides.

I just think that the last 20 years tells us that replacing the manager will have little effect and we will be back here in 2 years time starting the cycle again, no further forward in our attempts to consistently be the 'best of the rest'.

I'd like to see the club try the other approach. I believe he would have turned it around and we would benefit from having a manager who has been through the experience and learnt from it. We will never know.

Yes but like I've said you think club should try a different approach because you don't want a manager changed every 2 years but hey if a manager leaves after 2 years because he's been successful and another club come in then who can complain?

For me that comes across as if you support the manager, not the club. Club should stand by the manager for more than 2 years but manager can come and go as he pleases.

Does anybody genuinely think Jack Ross, or any manager, would be at Hibs being successful for 5-6 years?
I mean Stubbs won us the cup and the narrative seemed to be "I understand what he's saying, he probably wouldn't have a better moment with Hibs. I wish him all the best in his career, he will always be a legend, now club need to get a manager to get us promoted".

Would this narrative come up had Jack Ross had another successful season and Hull City took him from us?

Incidentally, I think the last 20 years tells us the club have recruited more than a few absolutely rotten managers. Some decent ones in there including Jack Ross but bad managers can recruit bad players who stay after he leaves and make a decent managers job a nightmare.

[The 90+2]

I'll 100% look back at some great semi final moments in 30 years.

To be honest I still watch the Falkirk Semi and Huns semi's even though we lost the finals.

[The 90+2]

We had an ability to be really bad under JR at fairly regular points but he always managed to stop it becoming too much of a slide before. He wasn’t showing any signs of doing that this time. Chuck in the fact nobody was bothering to go and watch his team. He wasn’t just sacked based on one run of results, no chance.

He was sacked because he wasn't backed to progress in the summer. Same could be said for various managers before him. Replacements are usually pish and we are back at square one.

"Jack, sorry we haven't backed you in the summer mate, we understand the progress you've made at the club though and here's a 4 year contract to show it's you are committed to taking us forward despite not backing you"

"sorry pal p45 in post".

[lord bunberry]

He was sacked because he wasn't backed to progress in the summer. Same could be said for various managers before him. Replacements are usually pish and we are back at square one.

"Jack, sorry we haven't backed you in the summer mate, we understand the progress you've made at the club though and here's a 4 year contract to show it's you are committed to taking us forward despite not backing you"

"sorry pal p45 in post".
:top marks He was treated appallingly. He should’ve been in the dugout today and maybe we’d have had a more positive result.

[Onion]

Only time will tell if this was the right call by RG. As of now, everything is guess-work.

This decision by RG will be the most important he's made at Hibs to date. Just hope he knows what he wants and what he's doing, otherwise he's going to get it tight from Hibs fans and the media.

[CapitalGreen]

:top marks He was treated appallingly. He should’ve been in the dugout today and maybe we’d have had a more positive result.

Last time he was in the dugout v Celtic we were 3 nil down after 30 minutes and a lot of our fans were heading for the exits.

[Rumble de Thump]

The performances weren't good enough. The results weren't good enough. We do know that.

[Hibs90]

He was sacked because he wasn't backed to progress in the summer. Same could be said for various managers before him. Replacements are usually pish and we are back at square one.

"Jack, sorry we haven't backed you in the summer mate, we understand the progress you've made at the club though and here's a 4 year contract to show it's you are committed to taking us forward despite not backing you"

"sorry pal p45 in post".

Nonsense. Just pure drivel.

[Callum_62]

Last time he was in the dugout v Celtic we were 3 nil down after 30 minutes and a lot of our fans were heading for the exits.So? We lost to rangers then scudded them at our last visit to hampden

I don't see how not having an experienced manager, whom had the backing of the players gave us a better opportunity to win today

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[lord bunberry]

Last time he was in the dugout v Celtic we were 3 nil down after 30 minutes and a lot of our fans were heading for the exits.
Last time we were at Hampden we were 3-0 up after 30 minutes and the huns were heading for the exits.

[Since90+2]

Last time we were at Hampden we were 3-0 up after 30 minutes and the huns were heading for the exits.

Exactly.

[dp00]

While results were rubbish I 100% expected him to get the window to improve , hibs backed him with a new contract and they got rid of mathie

What worries me with the sacking is that Ron Gordon is just gonna sack at the slightest bit of trouble which is not good


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[Onion]

The performances weren't good enough. The results weren't good enough. We do know that.

Bottom line.

Perhaps RG's standards are a lot higher than we're used to at Hibs, failure will not be tolerated and he's a man with an ambitious plan ? Those that deliver and get on board will survive. Those that don't will be binned.

Alternatively, maybe RG doesn't know jack **** about how to run a successful club and just making it up as he goes ?

Feels like we're about to find out with this next appointment, and what follows.

[theonlywayisup]

Having had a wee while to think about it all (and a look at that list of replacements!), I firmly believe that getting rid of JR when we did is the wrong decision and actually timing wise quite baffling.

It's not strategic, cos we don't have anyone lined up.



At the time, I fully agreed with your view.

However, with the benefit of hindsight, I wonder whether they had Maloney lined up from even before the Livingston game or at least moved quickly after it. It seems obvious that RG wasn't happy with the direction that we were going and has acted before the decline became worse. Let's hope he supports our new manager with an improvement in quality and quantity of footballers.