McTominay

[theonlywayisup]

Anyone know what Man United fans think of him?

Every United manager since Mourinho have played him. He never seems to do much wrong, but then never anything spectacular.

[NAE NOOKIE]

My big brother is a Man Utd fan and I continually ask him why if McTominay is worthy of a starting place at United in what way would John McGinn be a step down from him if they were to sign him :greengrin

[Jim44]

My big brother is a Man Utd fan and I continually ask him why if McTominay is worthy of a starting place at United in what way would John McGinn be a step down from him if they were to sign him :greengrin

…… and what’s his reply?

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Bit like Darren Fletcher back in the day.
A Mr dependable type who does a lot of the boring graft that proceeds the glamorous end product that the show ponies get all the credit for.

[90274]

I think it's to do with homegrown quotas and the fact the have developed him themselves, which is a big part of their history and they pride themselves on that. They are saving themselves £30m by doing so as well.

[Ray_]

I think he is an excellent player and is learning all the time, much like both Fletcher and Carrick himself, they both got even better with age, so much so, Fergie, from being squad players, played them in their most important games.

[BILLYHIBS]

Had a difference of opinion on here a while back with a poster who thought Slivka was better than McTominay ?


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[NAE NOOKIE]

…… and what’s his reply?

After over a year of telling him SJM is just what Man Utd need he's finally come round to my way of thinking :greengrin

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

After over a year of telling him SJM is just what Man Utd need he's finally come round to my way of thinking :greengrin

They'd compliment each other very well at United. Would love to see SJM there next season

[Cat Stanton]

They'd compliment each other very well at United. Would love to see SJM there next season

As would Big Ron.

[HoboHarry]

Had a difference of opinion on here a while back with a poster who thought Slivka was better than McTominay ?


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At chess maybe?

[Since452]

Had a difference of opinion on here a while back with a poster who thought Slivka was better than McTominay ?


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To be fair, McTominay has never been on Juventus's books :greengrin

[007]

To be fair, McTominay has never been on Juventus's books :greengrin

Hasn't scored against Rangers and Celtic either. :cb

[MWHIBBIES]

I think he is an excellent player and is learning all the time, much like both Fletcher and Carrick himself, they both got even better with age, so much so, Fergie, from being squad players, played them in their most important games.

Carrick was never a squad player at United tbh. Signed him for big money at the time and he played every week.

[jacomo]

I don’t think Man Utd fans like McTominay very much.

At least that was the view on a phone in I was listening to… whether that’s representative or not.

Decent player for Scotland though.

[hibbysam]

I don’t think Man Utd fans like McTominay very much.

At least that was the view on a phone in I was listening to… whether that’s representative or not.

Decent player for Scotland though.

Most I’ve seen like him, but hate him and Fred in the same team for obvious reasons.

[Iggy Pope]

Hasn't scored against Rangers and Celtic either. :cb

Better looking chap by far as well.

[cameronw-hfc]

I don’t think Man Utd fans like McTominay very much.

At least that was the view on a phone in I was listening to… whether that’s representative or not.

Decent player for Scotland though.



I always got the vibe that they did, but they can't stand him playing with Fred. In general though I think he quite well liked.

[ekhibee]

Carrick was never a squad player at United tbh. Signed him for big money at the time and he played every week.

I was just about to say this, Carrick might have improved at Man U but he was already a really good player before he went there.

[The Modfather]

Think McTominay is a good squad player for a club competing for titles. Consistent and you know what you get from him, but he wouldn’t get near Liverpool or a Man City’s midfield, probably not Chelsea’s either IMO. Think he benefits from coming through their youth system rather than having been bought like Fred.

[WeeRussell]

Had a difference of opinion on here a while back with a poster who thought Slivka was better than McTominay ?


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I wonder who that was?

McTominay is a quality player. It’s a telling sign for our national team when there’s a real chance he may not be an automatic starter if we had a game tomorrow.

[Smartie]

McTominay is a superb player but I don’t see how he fits in the Scotland team.

The balance just looks better without him.

We’re getting to the point where our second XI might look stronger than it has for 30 years or so, which can only be a good thing.

[Hibernia&Alba]

He is a decent player, but not good enough to start in the Man United midfield most weeks. The same can be said of Fred. Both were favourites of Solskjaer, along with Maguire; personally, I think he was too loyal to some average players, and it will be interesting to see what happens now. There will certainly be some changes over the next few transfer windows.

[theonlywayisup]

Man of the Match last night. He was excellent, showing greater responsibility in controlling and directing the midfield. Could have had a hat trick of goals from outside the box.

[BILLYHIBS]

MOM last night impressed by his power on the ball and drive getting stronger and stronger seemed to excel in the absence of Fernandes

Reminds me of someone ? :greengrin

[theonlywayisup]

MOM last night impressed by his power on the ball and drive getting stronger and stronger seemed to excel in the absence of Fernandes

Reminds me of someone ? :greengrin

That's what I thought too. Seems to just pass the ball sideways when the 'stars' like Fernandez are playing. Personally, I can't stand Fernandez.

[greenlex]

Last night the first 8 mins of the game I was thinking that I really don’t know what he brings to the game. After his goal he was really good. Big ,strong breaking up play and willing to run forward and create. He needs to do this on a regular basis.

[Lago]

Terrific player

[J-C]

Ole played him as a DM alongside Fred, Clarke plays him in a back 3, he's best played as the box2box player, great engine and eye for goal. McGinn beside him would be a top midfield, energy, drive and goals.

[MWHIBBIES]

Ole played him as a DM alongside Fred, Clarke plays him in a back 3, he's best played as the box2box player, great engine and eye for goal. McGinn beside him would be a top midfield, energy, drive and goals.

And no one to bring the ball out of defence and move it around. No chance they would be a good midfield at the top level.

[Steven79]

And no one to bring the ball out of defence and move it around. No chance they would be a good midfield at the top level.

McTominay
McGregor
McGinn

Add in Ryan Jack or Stuart Armstrong depending on who/where we are playing.

[MWHIBBIES]

McTominay
McGregor
McGinn

Add in Ryan Jack or Stuart Armstrong depending on who/where we are playing.

Oh yeah, for Scotland that is true. For Man United, they'd need a 3rd player in there as well. They would not be a good 2.

[B.H.F.C]

McTominay
McGregor
McGinn

Add in Ryan Jack or Stuart Armstrong depending on who/where we are playing.

The midfield three Gilmour, McGregor and McGinn have been brilliant for Scotland lately. McTominay either plays in the back three or doesn’t play, unless one of them is injured IMO.

[Ozyhibby]

I think he’s a quality premier league player but not at the top end, which is what Man Utd need. If he was playing for Everton that would be more his level.


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[WeeRussell]

The midfield three Gilmour, McGregor and McGinn have been brilliant for Scotland lately. McTominay either plays in the back three or doesn’t play, unless one of them is injured IMO.

I would agree if Scotland were playing tomorrow. But I think it also depends on form come March.

I prefer McTominay to McGregor but can’t argue with the performance of those three last time out.

It’s nice to be talking about which quality players have to miss out for our national team these days.

[Steven79]

The midfield three Gilmour, McGregor and McGinn have been brilliant for Scotland lately. McTominay either plays in the back three or doesn’t play, unless one of them is injured IMO.Sorry I was at work and completely forgot all about GIlmour.

Our midfield is set for the next 5+ years and it's going to take something pretty special to get past the current bunch.

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[Silversand]

Leeds Utds Cooper is a doubt for the March Internationals, due to injury, so presume McTominay may slot into the back 3.

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[LustForLeith]

Along with John McGinn doesn’t get the credit he deserves down south. Causes they’re both from up here

[Aldo]

Poor mans Darren Fletcher for me!


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[Smartie]

I'm not convinced by him, albeit I don't watch much English football.

When he's come into the Scotland team the balance of the midfield has looked poorer. I actually quite like him at CB - obviously there are defensive issues with him not being a natural in that position but I think that at times it has been good for Scotland to have someone playing there who is comfortable on the ball and right footed.

He seems to be synonymous with a United team that underachieves although I fully accept that it's a bit unfair to put that all on his shoulders. It might be interesting to see how he'd get on in a team with a more defined playing style and less egotistical ********s.

Re Darren Fletcher - Darren Fletcher has an enviable medal collection and was trusted by the best manager of all time to carry out a specific task. If McTominay achieves a fraction of what he achieved, he'll be doing ok.

[Steven79]

Poor mans Darren Fletcher for me!


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Completely different players apart from being Scottish and playing for Manchester United.

[Aldo]

Completely different players apart from being Scottish and playing for Manchester United.

Not really. Both central midfield players?


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[hibee-boys]

Wouldn’t even make the City, Chelsea or Liverpool match day squads, therein lies Man U’s problems.

[J-C]

Wouldn’t even make the City, Chelsea or Liverpool match day squads, therein lies Man U’s problems.


They have a squad of 2nd rate EPL players, a manager trying to play a system that's clearly not working and having to rely on an ageing front line of Ronaldo and Cavani, needs a total clear out which will take about 3 windows to achieve.

[WeeRussell]

Wouldn’t even make the City, Chelsea or Liverpool match day squads, therein lies Man U’s problems.

Aye he would though.

[WeeRussell]

Not really. Both central midfield players?


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Yes. But it’s the standard cool line to come out with when someone tries to compare two players in the same position.

McTominay is a cracking footballer. Unfortunately for him he’s playing in a very poor performing team of who are meant to be superstars.

[SeanWilson]

Aye he would though.

He doesn’t even make Liverpool’s match day squad with 11 players out with Covid. He’s nowhere near good enough for any top 4 team. McGinn on the other hand is the real deal.

[Aldo]

Yes. But it’s the standard cool line to come out with when someone tries to compare two players in the same position.

McTominay is a cracking footballer. Unfortunately for him he’s playing in a very poor performing team of who are meant to be superstars.

It’s not a standard cool line I just don’t think he’s as good as Fletcher!

Not saying he’s a bad player he just not the standard you’d expect at that club.


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[WeeRussell]

It’s not a standard cool line I just don’t think he’s as good as Fletcher!

Not saying he’s a bad player he just not the standard you’d expect at that club.


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No, not you Aldo. The old “completely different players” one.

[WeeRussell]

He doesn’t even make Liverpool’s match day squad with 11 players out with Covid. He’s nowhere near good enough for any top 4 team. McGinn on the other hand is the real deal.

Oh ok, I thought he maybe would in a hypothetical scenario. Apparently he already doesn’t.

[dastardly8]

McTominay is mediocre at best he was good against Burnley and absolutely rank rotten against wolves

[Winston Ingram]

He’s a regular topic of conversation with a Jambo pal of mine.

I don’t think he’s Man Utd’s level. He’d never regular game for Chelsea, City or Liverpool and is nowhere near the level of the great Man Utd teams of recent times.

Don’t get me wrong, I do rate him but I see him more as solid PL pro and more of an Everton/Villa type player. My Jambo pal thinks he’s world class, would get in any team in the world and was raging he wasn’t in the running for PFA player of the year last year.

[bigwheel]

McTominay is mediocre at best he was good against Burnley and absolutely rank rotten against wolves

You don’t play almost 200 games for United if you’re mediocre . He’s a quality player …

[Winston Ingram]

You don’t play almost 200 games for United if you’re mediocre . He’s a quality player …

You do if the Man U side your playing for is mediocre.

[bigwheel]

You do if the Man U side your playing for is mediocre.

Nah. They where second in the league last season . They may not be quite at the level to win it, but they are in no way mediocre. It’s a very high standard. In any objective relative terms he is a quality footballer .

[California-Hibs]

McTominay is mediocre at best he was good against Burnley and absolutely rank rotten against wolves

You didn't just say McTomney is 'mediocre at best'... did you?? 😂

[greenlex]

Along with John McGinn doesn’t get the credit he deserves down south. Causes they’re both from up here
Fairly sure McTominey has never been from up here. :greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

You didn't just say McTomney is 'mediocre at best'... did you?? 😂

Mediocre is possibly a bit strong but he’s not top level. And the Scotland midfield is better balanced without him.

[WeeRussell]

Mediocre is possibly a bit strong but he’s not top level. And the Scotland midfield is better balanced without him.

What do you mean by better balanced, out of interest?

I’ve seen it said a couple of times now and not sure I follow.

[Winston Ingram]

Nah. They where second in the league last season . They may not be quite at the level to win it, but they are in no way mediocre. It’s a very high standard. In any objective relative terms he is a quality footballer .

It is a high standard. He is a high standard, but he’s nowhere near the quality that City, Liverpool or Chelsea possess, nor is he anywhere near the level of the great Man U sides of recent years.

[B.H.F.C]

What do you mean by better balanced, out of interest?

I’ve seen it said a couple of times now and not sure I follow.

The three (Gilmour, McGregor and McGinn) just seem to compliment each other so much better. Gilmour and McGregor have been outstanding in their games together and let us keep our shape so that McGinn can just get on with doing what he does. With McTominay in there we lose that control. His best games for Scotland have been on the right of the back three.

[bigwheel]

It is a high standard. He is a high standard, but he’s nowhere near the quality that City, Liverpool or Chelsea possess, nor is he anywhere near the level of the great Man U sides of recent years.

So he’s not mediocre ….and neither is he top top class ….but he’s a very good footballer

[Winston Ingram]

So he’s not mediocre ….and neither is he top top class ….but he’s a very good footballer

This.

The problem that presents for him is Man United as a club are top class and expect their players to be top class.

[cameronw-hfc]

This.

The problem that presents for him is Man United as a club are top class and expect their players to be top class.


I don't think it helps that he's often played with Matic or Fred next to him. Otherwise I think he'd do well as a workhorse midfielder for a top club with better players next to him, however with Fred and/or Matic next to him leaves next to no creativity and imo makes him look worse.

[theonlywayisup]

Good goal

[Jim44]

Good goal

Poor defending.

[Lago]

Poor defending.
Definitely good goal

[PatHead]

Man of the match on the BBC tonight

[007]

Shame we never got this song going at the Euros.

https://youtu.be/-imrQ8sCnmw

[hibbysam]

Shame we never got this song going at the Euros.

https://youtu.be/-imrQ8sCnmw

It’s sung at nearly every Scotland game to be fair.

[007]

It’s sung at nearly every Scotland game to be fair.

OK, haven't been to a game for a couple of years. Didn't notice it on the TV, thought I'd have heard the oooh oooh oooh bit.

[hibbysam]

OK, haven't been to a game for a couple of years. Didn't notice it on the TV, thought I'd have heard the oooh oooh oooh bit.

That part of it doesn’t really get an airing - just the main words of the song.

[007]

That part of it doesn’t really get an airing - just the main words of the song.

Based on hearing the Kamberi version it's probably just as well.

[Stuart93]

Shame we never got this song going at the Euros.

https://youtu.be/-imrQ8sCnmw

It was sung a lot down in London last June, very enjoyable

[inglisavhibs]

Man of the match on the BBC tonight
He was maybe Man Utd mom but Villa's midfield were all better than him on the night.

[WeeRussell]

It’s always the “it’s a heartache” Mctominay song I hear at Scotland games but like this one too 👍

Played well again tonight.

Villa will be gutted they never got anything out of that though!

[theonlywayisup]

Ralf Rangnick on matchwinner Scott McTominay: "He is an academy boy, his energy is amazing. He now also starts scoring goals and also with some leadership skills. I wouldn't be surprised if in a couple of years he would be the captain of this team."

I think we all agree he'll never be viewed in the way a Bruno Fernandes or a Paul Pogba are. However, every team needs a player who is more the 'worker' type. For Liverpool, Henderson (ridiculed by many) is such an effective player for them and does chip in with his fair share of goals and assists. Maybe McTominay, will become Man United's Henderson.

inglisavhibs correctly stated that whilst he was Man of the Match, the Aston Villa midfield were better. I agree with that and maybe the point is that Man United need better players around Scott McTominay. Personally, I think the aforementioned Bruno Fernandes is a disgrace. I wouldn't want him in my team. Then you've got the English rising stars in Rashford and Greenwood, who both flatter to deceive. And Fred, who is very similar to McTominay, apart from the goals and energy.

[Brightside]

He should be captain now tbh. It’s a team that looks lost most weeks.

[Iain G]

He should be captain now tbh. It’s a team that looks lost most weeks.

It's a team that mostly need sacked and rebuilt! Something very wrong there with the attitude.

[Smartie]

It was good to watch a game and see the prominence of McTominay and McGinn in a game that should really have been littered with superstars, given what they are earning.

And quite how anyone would look at that Man Utd team and not immediately think that McGinn is EXACTLY what they are screaming out for...

[Steven79]

It was good to watch a game and see the prominence of McTominay and McGinn in a game that should really have been littered with superstars, given what they are earning.

And quite how anyone would look at that Man Utd team and not immediately think that McGinn is EXACTLY what they are screaming out for...

They would probably bring him down to their level...

[theonlywayisup]

With his Manchester United team 1-0 down at home, he comes on in the 87th minute and scores two goals in injury time to win the match.

What a player!

[Ryan91]

With his Manchester United team 1-0 down at home, he comes on in the 87th minute and scores two goals in injury time to win the match.

What a player!

Delighted that he plays for Scotland, he was never a defender, so glad he's now been pushed further up the pitch for Scotland.

Top player.

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