Disappointing

[FilipinoHibs]

Seems such a sensible young man to:

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/hibs-star-joe-newell-banned-from-roads-for-drink-driving-three-times-over-the-limit-3478538

[Boyle89]

Felt like it affected his performance tonight. Seemed so off the pace. Can't believe ross played him after that. I think hes been off form for quite some time but sadly ross won't drop him.
Also so stupid of him to do it.

[Jones28]

Felt like it affected his performance tonight. Seemed so off the pace. Can't believe ross played him after that. I think hes been off form for quite some time but sadly ross won't drop him.
Also so stupid of him to do it.

Funny I thought he was great, as was JDH.

[Carheenlea]

Disappointing a Hibs fan feels the need to publicise his misdemeanour in a stand alone post. He’s been punished so leave it at that.

[Boyle89]

Funny I thought he was great, as was JDH.

Other than his burst in to the box at the throw in I can't think of much that he did. Gave away cheap fouls, players ran beyond him all night. Worst of the midfield 3 for me.

[hibsbollah]

Seems such a sensible young man to:

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/hibs-star-joe-newell-banned-from-roads-for-drink-driving-three-times-over-the-limit-3478538

Two mitigating factors; first, hes in a very rural location, second, he's caught according to the cops he's driving at a 'very slow speed'. A stupid mistake but its not reckless or endangering life. Pitchforks away please.

[CB Hibs 68]

Other than his burst in to the box at the throw in I can't think of much that he did. Gave away cheap fouls, players ran beyond him all night. Worst of the midfield 3 for me.Okay then.Clearly not a Joe Newell fan.I get he can be a frustrating player at times but he didn’t play badly tonight and the match sponsor gave him MOM.That said woluld have given it to Porto myself.And yes he is an arse for being done for Drink driving.

[Sir David Gray]

Really poor behaviour and very fortunate that the consequences were not much more disastrous.

Driving with that amount of alcohol in your system is totally inexcusable and I'm sure the club's read him the riot act.

Hopefully there will be no repeat.

[Boyle89]

Okay then.Clearly not a Joe Newell fan.I get he can be a frustrating player at times but he didn’t play badly tonight and the match sponsor gave him MOM.That said woluld have given it to Porto myself.And yes he is an arse for being done for Drink driving.

Nothing to do with not being a newell fan I just don't think he was at it tonight and hasn't been for a while. Felt jdh broke up play more and used the ball better than jn. Also thought jc played better than jn. Sponsors motm can be a crap shoot at the best of times. Even after giving away the pen I would've given it to porto.

[Dalkeith Boy]

Funny I thought he was great, as was JDH.

me too...when those two were on the ball I felt comfortable that something consistent and positive would happen and it did

[MWHIBBIES]

Two mitigating factors; first, hes in a very rural location, second, he's caught according to the cops he's driving at a 'very slow speed'. A stupid mistake but its not reckless or endangering life. Pitchforks away please.

All drink driving is reckless and endangering life.

[BILLYHIBS]

Thought he played well last night getting in their faces and being a pest not his usual namby pamby flouncy disappearing act :greengrin

Unlucky with run into the box good play by Goldson

Unacceptable anti social behaviour on his part no excuses really

[Since452]

Disappointing a Hibs fan feels the need to publicise his misdemeanour in a stand alone post. He’s been punished so leave it at that.

Its his own fault to be honest. Anyways, I thought he played well last night.

[NC1875]

Two mitigating factors; first, hes in a very rural location, second, he's caught according to the cops he's driving at a 'very slow speed'. A stupid mistake but its not reckless or endangering life. Pitchforks away please.

Very rural ? I wouldn’t say that’s the case and it’s certainly not the story I heard when I found out about it a couple of weeks ago.

Rural or not, he’s been an ********. But he’s been dealt with by the courts so lets leave it at that.

[Spike Mandela]

I agree with the sponsor and thought he was Hibs’ man of the match.

[hibsbollah]

All drink driving is reckless and endangering life.

Its daft to suggest two drink driving offences are the same. Look up Henry Ruggs and compare with Newell.

[Since90+2]

Very rural ? I wouldn’t say that’s the case and it’s certainly not the story I heard when I found out about it a couple of weeks ago.

Rural or not, he’s been an ********. But he’s been dealt with by the courts so lets leave it at that.

Does he not stay in Wallyford? Not sure I'd class that as "very rural". It's about 8 miles from Edinburgh city centre.

[NC1875]

Does he not stay in Wallyford? Not sure I'd class that as "very rural". It's about 8 miles from Edinburgh city centre.

Yup, and was actually leaving Wallyford Miners Club which makes it even more stupid when he could’ve walked to anywhere in Wallyford in 15 mins.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Was Hibs best player last night. Sponsors got it spot on.

I’m not too impressed with the drink driving charge though.

[Scottie]

Its daft to suggest two drink driving offences are the same. Look up Henry Ruggs and compare with Newell.
:rolleyes: You can't defend the inexcusable. Over the limit is over the limit.

Credit to him for his performance last night though.

[Pretty Boy]

It's very poor behaviour and hopefully he learns a lesson.

The media love to sensationalise these things though. 'Hibs Star was 3 times the drink driving limit' reads worse than 'Hibs player had a couple of pints then drove 3 hours later'.

In this case both could be equally true but the former makes for a snappier headline.

[Glass half full]

Thought he played very well. The The have a strong midfield 3 with more on the bench. He matched up to them.

He was dominating the second half until someone thought it was a good idea to chuck on a flare, stop the game and damage the pitch!

[MWHIBBIES]

Its daft to suggest two drink driving offences are the same. Look up Henry Ruggs and compare with Newell.

I don't think they endanger the same number of people, but it still does endanger other motorists. I mean, anyone can come down any road at any time.

[CentreLine]

Was Hibs best player last night. Sponsors got it spot on.

I’m not too impressed with the drink driving charge though.

That’s my take on it. Newell was outstanding last night in a very congested midfield. Covered the park, broke up play, found his own players and got in the face of the opposition. My man of the match for sure.

Nothing to say that can justify the driving offence though. Very foolish and hope it’s a lesson learned.

[Jim44]

Disappointing a Hibs fan feels the need to publicise his misdemeanour in a stand alone post. He’s been punished so leave it at that.

Yes. It’s already been aired on here. Why drag it up again this morning? Maybe losing last night might have something to do with it? I thought he had a very good game last night.

[Alfred E Newman]

Two mitigating factors; first, hes in a very rural location, second, he's caught according to the cops he's driving at a 'very slow speed'. A stupid mistake but its not reckless or endangering life. Pitchforks away please.

There are no excuses. You don't drink and drive.

[Brightside]

Felt like it affected his performance tonight. Seemed so off the pace. Can't believe ross played him after that. I think hes been off form for quite some time but sadly ross won't drop him.
Also so stupid of him to do it.

He had a great game.

[hibsbollah]

There are no excuses. You don't drink and drive.

I think you’re confusing ‘excusing’ and ‘mitigating’, which is the word I actually used.

[jst1875]

what a shocking and totally misleading headline from edinburghlive online and I hope hibs and Joe Newell take steps to have it rectified

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/hibs-star-joe-newell-three-22332200

[hibsbollah]

It's very poor behaviour and hopefully he learns a lesson.

The media love to sensationalise these things though. 'Hibs Star was 3 times the drink driving limit' reads worse than 'Hibs player had a couple of pints then drove 3 hours later'.

In this case both could be equally true but the former makes for a snappier headline.

I think when I passed my test, three times over the limit meant six pints. Now, depending on blood sugar concentration, it can mean less than half that. Obviously the easiest thing is just never to drink anything, including avoiding driving the morning after, which is something I think happens a lot.

[Since90+2]

Would have been some performance from him if he was on the sauce just a few hours before the game. Motm performance.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Can we merge this with the other thread about this? Nae point having two threads.

[bod]

Isnt Edinburghlive part of the D***y r****d company ?

[Fergus52]

Nothing to do with not being a newell fan I just don't think he was at it tonight and hasn't been for a while. Felt jdh broke up play more and used the ball better than jn. Also thought jc played better than jn. Sponsors motm can be a crap shoot at the best of times. Even after giving away the pen I would've given it to porto.

The stats don't backup what you say at all

Newell created 2 chances, JDH created 0.

Newell made 5 tackles and 4 interceptions, JDH made 5 tackles and 0 interceptions.

I'd say from that Newell both used the ball better and broke up play more effectively

[Scouse Hibee]

Two mitigating factors; first, hes in a very rural location, second, he's caught according to the cops he's driving at a 'very slow speed'. A stupid mistake but its not reckless or endangering life. Pitchforks away please.

What a load of bollocks, it’s both reckless and endangering life when you get behind the wheel whilst pissed, regardless of location or how fast you drive!

[Diclonius]

Two mitigating factors; first, hes in a very rural location, second, he's caught according to the cops he's driving at a 'very slow speed'. A stupid mistake but its not reckless or endangering life. Pitchforks away please.

If you've had any kind of drink you don't get in the driver's seat.

[madsen5]

Two mitigating factors; first, hes in a very rural location, second, he's caught according to the cops he's driving at a 'very slow speed'. A stupid mistake but its not reckless or endangering life. Pitchforks away please.
There are no mitigating factors for drunk driving.

[FilipinoHibs]

I thought he played well last night. He has obviously
apologised and realised the error of his ways.

[Brightside]

Two mitigating factors; first, hes in a very rural location, second, he's caught according to the cops he's driving at a 'very slow speed'. A stupid mistake but its not reckless or endangering life. Pitchforks away please.

Wallyford? It’s 10 mins from town! Driving after any drink is reckless. It’s not like he can’t afford a taxi!

[Northernhibee]

Wallyford? It’s 10 mins from town! Driving after any drink is reckless. It’s not like he can’t afford a taxi!

Yep. No excuse for drink driving.

[Boyle89]

The stats don't backup what you say at all

Newell created 2 chances, JDH created 0.

Newell made 5 tackles and 4 interceptions, JDH made 5 tackles and 0 interceptions.

I'd say from that Newell both used the ball better and broke up play more effectively

Fair enough if thats what the stats say but I just dont remember him doing any of that. Yes there was the chance at the throw in, something he needs to do more of. But what was the other chance he created? Also where did you find these stats? Not trying to be arsey I genuinely want to know.

[Fergus52]

Fair enough if thats what the stats say but I just dont remember him doing any of that. Yes there was the chance at the throw in, something he needs to do more of. But what was the other chance he created? Also where did you find these stats? Not trying to be arsey I genuinely want to know.

the nice through ball to Nisbet to put him in behind, where he would have had plenty time to take it across his body and shoot on his left but opted to cut inside and the shot got blocked.

Got the stats for the match from whoscored.com who are usually quite reliable but don't have the most advanced/complex set of
metrics:

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1548483/MatchReport/Scotland-Premiership-2021-2022-Hibernian-Rangers

[Boyle89]

the nice through ball to Nisbet to put him in behind, where he would have had plenty time to take it across his body and shoot on his left but opted to cut inside and the shot got blocked.

Got the stats for the match from whoscored.com who are usually quite reliable but don't have the most advanced/complex set of
metrics:

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1548483/MatchReport/Scotland-Premiership-2021-2022-Hibernian-Rangers
I'd forgotten all about that chance😂. Yeah should have let it run across and his it with his left. Cheers👍

[Unseen work]

Felt like it affected his performance tonight. Seemed so off the pace. Can't believe ross played him after that. I think hes been off form for quite some time but sadly ross won't drop him.
Also so stupid of him to do it.

I thought he was really good tonight and probably my motm.

[Keith_M]

What a load of bollocks, it’s both reckless and endangering life when you get behind the wheel whilst pissed, regardless of location or how fast you drive!


:agree:

[Bayern Bru]

Isnt Edinburghlive part of the D***y r****d company ?

Yes. Basically an Edinburgh-centric edition. Think there’s a Glasgow version too


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[hibsbollah]

What a load of bollocks, it’s both reckless and endangering life when you get behind the wheel whilst pissed, regardless of location or how fast you drive!

I never said it wasn’t reckless or life threatening. I think it’s utter bollocks trying to pretend every version of the same crime is the same. You may as well say every theft or manslaughter is equally severe so should carry the same sentence. Nonsense.

[the tornadoe]

I never said it wasn’t reckless or life threatening. I think it’s utter bollocks trying to pretend every version of the same crime is the same. You may as well say every theft or manslaughter is equally severe so should carry the same sentence. Nonsense.

Drink Driving should carry a prison sentence its that bad a crime !!

[GreenPJ]

Funny I thought he was great, as was JDH.

:agree:

[Scouse Hibee]

I never said it wasn’t reckless or life threatening. I think it’s utter bollocks trying to pretend every version of the same crime is the same. You may as well say every theft or manslaughter is equally severe so should carry the same sentence. Nonsense.

That’s exactly what you said!
Getting behind the wheel of a car whilst pissed is severe and should always result in a ban, no exception. To suggest otherwise is indeed Nonsense.

[greenlex]

What a load of bollocks, it’s both reckless and endangering life when you get behind the wheel whilst pissed, regardless of location or how fast you drive!
Agreed. This coming from a previously convicted drunk driver.

[Eyrie]

I never said it wasn’t reckless or life threatening. I think it’s utter bollocks trying to pretend every version of the same crime is the same. You may as well say every theft or manslaughter is equally severe so should carry the same sentence. Nonsense.
You attempted to downplay it by choosing to emphase "mitigating factors".


Two mitigating factors; first, hes in a very rural location, second, he's caught according to the cops he's driving at a 'very slow speed'. A stupid mistake but its not reckless or endangering life. Pitchforks away please.

Newell was an idiot who was lucky it wasn't worse and deserves the punishments he got from both the court and Hibs. I can't find any mitigating factors for him just because he's a good player for us.

And he was a very good player for us last night.

[hibsbollah]

You attempted to downplay it by choosing to emphase "mitigating factors".



Newell was an idiot who was lucky it wasn't worse and deserves the punishments he got from both the court and Hibs. I can't find any mitigating factors for him just because he's a good player for us.

And he was a very good player for us last night.

You don’t get to decide what im ‘attempting’ to do. If I thought drink driving was OK I would say that. Join in a ‘drink driver lover’ pile on if you want, :greengrin I just think it’s pretty ridiculous that nobody is willing to engage with the idea that not all versions of the same crime deserve the same opprobrium.

[greenlex]

You don’t get to decide what im ‘attempting’ to do. If I thought drink driving was OK I would say that. Join in a ‘drink driver lover’ pile on if you want, :greengrin I just think it’s pretty ridiculous that nobody is willing to engage with the idea that not all versions of the same crime deserve the same opprobrium.
I get what you’re saying but nobody gets to decide how alcohol is going to effect their abilities to do something. Different levels effect different folks in different ways. It’s a face the more you take the better you think you are at something. ( Karaoke is a great example :greengrin) Thats why we have a limit. Doesn’t matter what the individual thinks they can handle. A split second of under or over reaction could just be as lethal one pint to ten pints. The crimes the same. Consequences don’t differentiate.

[Dr What If?]

Disappointing a Hibs fan feels the need to publicise his misdemeanour in a stand alone post. He’s been punished so leave it at that.
Disagree, actually I find it quite encouraging that despite our obvious bias towards our own man that as fans are still willing to call out actions that simply don't reach even a base level moral standard. Yes he's been punished, both by the law and by the club.....nothing wrong with our own fans voicing that it doesn't meet our standards either.
That said though, we move on and give him our full support when he's on the pitch. We might not be talking about this next week but he will remember.

[Brightside]

You don’t get to decide what im ‘attempting’ to do. If I thought drink driving was OK I would say that. Join in a ‘drink driver lover’ pile on if you want, :greengrin I just think it’s pretty ridiculous that nobody is willing to engage with the idea that not all versions of the same crime deserve the same opprobrium.

Can we at least agree that it’s not difficult to get it wallyford after a couple of pints. Harder to get out tbh.

[hibsbollah]

I get what you’re saying but nobody gets to decide how alcohol is going to effect their abilities to do something. Different levels effect different folks in different ways. It’s a face the more you take the better you think you are at something. ( Karaoke is a great example :greengrin) Thats why we have a limit. Doesn’t matter what the individual thinks they can handle. A split second of under or over reaction could just be as lethal one pint to ten pints. The crimes the same. Consequences don’t differentiate.

Well that is all absolutely true, agreed. The example I gave earlier though, Henry Ruggs, Raiders Wide Receiver recently imprisoned and awaiting trial for killing an innocent woman doing 156mph through Las Vegas in his corvette with the mother of his child in the passenger seat twice over the limit… there is SOME daylight there between him and Newell, i think you’ll agree.

[J-C]

Well that is all absolutely true, agreed. The example I gave earlier though, Henry Ruggs, Raiders Wide Receiver recently imprisoned and awaiting trial for killing an innocent woman doing 156mph through Las Vegas in his corvette with the mother of his child in the passenger seat twice over the limit… there is SOME daylight there between him and Newell, i think you’ll agree.
2-3 times over the limit is drink driving no matter what speed he was doing, theres no grey area here, it was wrong and irresponsible.

[tamig]

Felt like it affected his performance tonight. Seemed so off the pace. Can't believe ross played him after that. I think hes been off form for quite some time but sadly ross won't drop him.
Also so stupid of him to do it.

He was my man of the match by a stretch last night.

[tamig]

What a load of bollocks, it’s both reckless and endangering life when you get behind the wheel whilst pissed, regardless of location or how fast you drive!

I’m not condoning anything but I’m not sure what your definition of pissed is. The limit is so low now that 2-3 times over would be unlikely to have you anywhere near pissed.

[WeeRussell]

Well that is all absolutely true, agreed. The example I gave earlier though, Henry Ruggs, Raiders Wide Receiver recently imprisoned and awaiting trial for killing an innocent woman doing 156mph through Las Vegas in his corvette with the mother of his child in the passenger seat twice over the limit… there is SOME daylight there between him and Newell, i think you’ll agree.

I would agree. But whats the point in your example HB?

I don’t think anyone’s pretending people haven’t been even more stupid than Joe in the past. I don’t see the need for trying to measure it against more ridiculous crimes.

Just like when Boyle did it. It was stupid and irresponsible and he deserves to be called out and punished for it. I think you got the reaction you did for suggesting it wasn’t reckless or life threatening (and then claiming to not have said that 😆) and have to admit it did strike me as an odd post in that you were offering mitigating factors and dismissing the first few mild posts with “pitchforks away” for a serious drink driving offence.

[greenlex]

Well that is all absolutely true, agreed. The example I gave earlier though, Henry Ruggs, Raiders Wide Receiver recently imprisoned and awaiting trial for killing an innocent woman doing 156mph through Las Vegas in his corvette with the mother of his child in the passenger seat twice over the limit… there is SOME daylight there between him and Newell, i think you’ll agree.

Absolutely. That’s why he’s awaiting trial and Joe was playing last night.

[Just_Jimmy]

I’m not condoning anything but I’m not sure what your definition of pissed is. The limit is so low now that 2-3 times over would be unlikely to have you anywhere near pissed.He was 66mg per 100mg of breath in Scotland that's 3x. In England which has a higher limit he's still almost twice over.

It's inexcusable.

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[The Harp Awakes]

Thought he was completely off the pace 1st half on Wednesday. Improved in the 2nd.

Poor decision to play him. He should have been suspended by the club. Doesn't teach the right lesson.

[MWHIBBIES]

Absolutely. That’s why he’s awaiting trial and Joe was playing last night.

Joe got lucky. All it takes is someone walking a dog or out for a run and he's up for trial too. That's the point.

[tamig]

He was 66mg per 100mg of breath in Scotland that's 3x. In England which has a higher limit he's still almost twice over.

It's inexcusable.

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That wasn’t the point. It could have been 2-3 pints. People using terms like pissed and hammered which paints a different picture. And as said previously I’m not condoning it for a minute. The sensationlist language is unnecessary though.

[Slim Shady]

31st of October just after midnight.

So after the game at Ross County was postponed due to covid, he’s deemed it okay to go out and get pished then jump in his motor.

Would’ve thought the club had issued strict guidelines given the reason for postponement?

Then we have an outbreak in the club causing another postponement.

Very poor choices.

[The dalmeny]

Two mitigating factors; first, hes in a very rural location, second, he's caught according to the cops he's driving at a 'very slow speed'. A stupid mistake but its not reckless or endangering life. Pitchforks away please.

there can never be a Mitigating factor, Wallyford, rural ffs

[Sir David Gray]

31st of October just after midnight.

So after the game at Ross County was postponed due to covid, he’s deemed it okay to go out and get pished then jump in his motor.

Would’ve thought the club had issued strict guidelines given the reason for postponement?

Then we have an outbreak in the club causing another postponement.

Very poor choices.

That's actually a really good point and just makes it even worse for me.

I would imagine Hibs will have taken that into account when handing him "the maximum possible fine".

[Crunchie]

Funny I thought he was great, as was JDH.
I thought it was one of his best performances for us, opinions are weird. Him Porto and JDH were standouts for me, as was Campbell.

[Crunchie]

I never said it wasn’t reckless or life threatening. I think it’s utter bollocks trying to pretend every version of the same crime is the same. You may as well say every theft or manslaughter is equally severe so should carry the same sentence. Nonsense.
Give up, you're having a mare. Anyone who gets in a car drunk or after a drink is an idiot full stop and could easily end in loss of life. FYI driving slowly can also cause accidents.
I'm sure Joe won't be trying to excuse his behaviour, and nor should he.

[WhileTheChief..]

Give up, you're having a mare. Anyone who gets in a car drunk or after a drink is an idiot full stop and could easily end in loss of life. FYI driving slowly can also cause accidents.
I'm sure Joe won't be trying to excuse his behaviour, and nor should he.

He's not making excuses - he's saying there are different levels to drink driving - which there clearly are.

Everyone knows they shouldn't do it, but there is a world of difference between driving home smashed out your head or being slightly over the limit one morning after a few pints.

Both stupid, both illegal, but the courts would deal them entirely differently, as they should.

[Crunchie]

He's not making excuses - he's saying there are different levels to drink driving - which there clearly are.

Everyone knows they shouldn't do it, but there is a world of difference between driving home smashed out your head or being slightly over the limit one morning after a few pints.

Both stupid, both illegal, but the courts would deal them entirely differently, as they should.
By all accounts he was more than slightly over the limit, and I'm aware there are different levels to any crime, as everyone is, it doesn't need pointing out to anyone.
I would personally ban anyone substantially over the limit for life, end off, no exceptions.

[hibsbollah]

I would agree. But whats the point in your example HB?

I don’t think anyone’s pretending people haven’t been even more stupid than Joe in the past. I don’t see the need for trying to measure it against more ridiculous crimes.

Just like when Boyle did it. It was stupid and irresponsible and he deserves to be called out and punished for it. I think you got the reaction you did for suggesting it wasn’t reckless or life threatening (and then claiming to not have said that ��) and have to admit it did strike me as an odd post in that you were offering mitigating factors and dismissing the first few mild posts with “pitchforks away” for a serious drink driving offence.

The point I was making was there are varying degrees of dangerous behaviour that you can exhibit while drink driving. IMO Speed is the main ingredient in how life threatening the behaviour is. So ergo its obvious that Newell going so slow as to be commented on by the officer at the scene is less egregious and dangerous than a 'steaming' laddie driving fast and recklessly, as in the Ruggs case. Some folk are clutching their pearls and saying that means i'm saying drink drivings OK? :rolleyes: Give me peace.

I'll hold up my hands to admittedly getting confused as to where exactly Wallyford was, which may have ruined the point i was trying to make somewhat:greengrin

As Joe can attest, We all have bad days.

[wookie70]

By all accounts he was more than slightly over the limit, and I'm aware there are different levels to any crime, as everyone is, it doesn't need pointing out to anyone.
I would personally ban anyone substantially over the limit for life, end off, no exceptions.

He was wrong, probably had a couple of pints or a couple of glasses of wine and made a terrible decision. Driving slowly likely says he knew he was in the wrong but also that he wasn't wanting to cause harm. No-one was hurt and by some of the thinking on here you should be banned for life for a bald tyre, jumping a red light or being involved in an accident due to you not having your full attention on the road. Those could also have all resulted in death and to me the law deals with drink driving correctly and Joe is rightly being punished with a massive loss of liberty for a year. He also never refused the test or tried to get out of it or get a lesser punishment by delaying and doing blood tests etc. He was caught and has taken his punishment, which was proportionate, the way he should have. Boyle did similar a few years back and he has came back stronger than ever. Newell knows he did wrong imo and I hope he works as hard as Boyler has after committing his crime.