Doidge red card appealed

[Eyrie]

Per the official website (https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/christian-doidge-red-card-appealed).

Although I thought it was an accident at the time, and still do, I also can't see enough for the panel to overturn it.

Might be a tactic to have Doidge available for Saturday as there's little time for the appeal to be heard. We'd then get Boyle back so would only be down one player in each of our next three games.

[JohnM1875]

Per the official website (https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/christian-doidge-red-card-appealed).

Although I thought it was an accident at the time, and still do, I also can't see enough for the panel to overturn it.

Might be a tactic to have Doidge available for Saturday as there's little time for the appeal to be heard. We'd then get Boyle back so would only be down one player in each of our next three games.

Think it's definitely just so he is available for Saturday.

I'm the same, don't think it was deliberate at all. But no chance it's getting overturned.

[hibbysam]

Per the official website (https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/christian-doidge-red-card-appealed).

Although I thought it was an accident at the time, and still do, I also can't see enough for the panel to overturn it.

Might be a tactic to have Doidge available for Saturday as there's little time for the appeal to be heard. We'd then get Boyle back so would only be down one player in each of our next three games.

Would say that’s 100% the reason, Saturdays game suits Doidge more than Boyle, and vice-versa next Wednesday.

[JimBHibees]

Think it's definitely just so he is available for Saturday.

I'm the same, don't think it was deliberate at all. But no chance it's getting overturned.

Seems to be saying if appeal upheld he will miss Saints game so assume it will be held tomorrow

[Jones28]

No problem with the appeal from the club, the system is what it is so **** it, if we win and he scores it’s well worth it.

[Onceinawhile]

No chance it's getting over turned.

Ridiculous behaviour from him

[wookie70]

I think the appeal will rest the initial challenge being fine and then the push with the studs being as much the Ross County player advancing as Christian kicking out. Perhaps say it was a natural reaction to avoid being push over and particularly if that was his injured leg

[kaimendhibs]

Last nights ref a very good mate of a jambo I know.

[lord bunberry]

It’s was a clear red card, I’m struggling to see how we can get this overturned.

[Jim44]

If the appeal was on the basis that it might not be heard till next week, fine. If not it is a waste of money.
There’s no way it wasn’t a red.

[SMAXXA]

Was a red card should accept it and move on unless makes him available for Saturday then good idea with Boyle back the following week

[JohnM1875]

Seems to be saying if appeal upheld he will miss Saints game so assume it will be held tomorrow

Yeah, looks like you're right. In that case strange appeal if you ask me.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

No chance of winning this, I take it there are no additional penalties for frivolous appeals?

[90274]

No chance of winning it but it's a smart move so he can play on Saturday.

[Sir David Gray]

There's absolutely no danger of this being overturned, it was a blatant red card.

I'd be interested to hear Hibs' basis for the appeal.

[Stevie Reid]

No chance of winning this, I take it there are no additional penalties for frivolous appeals?

I think there can be.

[WeeRussell]

I think the appeal will rest the initial challenge being fine and then the push with the studs being as much the Ross County player advancing as Christian kicking out. Perhaps say it was a natural reaction to avoid being push over and particularly if that was his injured leg

Ross County player advancing doesn’t cause Doidge to straighten his leg and try to take the boy. It was a ridiculous kick-out and it’s a ridiculous appeal.

[hibbysam]

Ross County player advancing doesn’t cause Doidge to straighten his leg and try to take the boy. It was a ridiculous kick-out and it’s a ridiculous appeal.

Ridiculous is rather exaggerated - it costs £1k, next to nothing. Just about anything can be argued with decent lawyers as we’ve seen in the past. If it means he can play this weekend (no idea if it’s fast tracked or not) then even enter.

[Sir David Gray]

Ridiculous is rather exaggerated - it costs £1k, next to nothing. Just about anything can be argued with decent lawyers as we’ve seen in the past. If it means he can play this weekend (no idea if it’s fast tracked or not) then even enter.

You have to assume that Hibs have been told that any appeal hearing would take place next week and he'll be free to play against St Johnstone.

Otherwise it is a ridiculous appeal in my opinion as there's no chance this is being overturned.

[Lago]

Think it's definitely just so he is available for Saturday.

I'm the same, don't think it was deliberate at all. But no chance it's getting overturned.
Waste of time and money

[WeeRussell]

Ridiculous is rather exaggerated - it costs £1k, next to nothing. Just about anything can be argued with decent lawyers as we’ve seen in the past. If it means he can play this weekend (no idea if it’s fast tracked or not) then even enter.

It’s not exaggerated but it is only my opinion - it’s ridiculous because everyone knows he deserved to be sent off. I’d rather we just admitted both players acted stupidly and moved on from an awful night.

[Moulin Yarns]

I see Aberdeen failed in the Ojo appeal. Only ground is for mistaken identity.

[Sir David Gray]

I see Aberdeen failed in the Ojo appeal. Only ground is for mistaken identity.

They were trying to appeal a yellow card as opposed to a red card.

A yellow card can only be appealed on the grounds of simulation or mistaken identity.

[hibbysam]

It’s not exaggerated but it is only my opinion - it’s ridiculous because everyone knows he deserved to be sent off. I’d rather we just admitted both players acted stupidly and moved on from an awful night.

For £1k I’d appeal absolutely every single red card in the off chance the ref has made an arse of the process, the panel have an off day, anything really. It’s never going to be added to, it’s only ever £1k and for me that makes it worth it.

[hibbysam]

I see Aberdeen failed in the Ojo appeal. Only ground is for mistaken identity.

Aberdeen never appealed, they were advised that they had no grounds to appeal as there was no mistaken identity, which would have meant they would need to put forward the correct player.

[Unseen work]

It’s a blatant red unfortunately IMO. The initial challenge no, but the kick out afterwards is a red.

Hopefully the appeal ensures he can play on Saturday.

Does the losing of an appeal mean he misses an extra game?

[WeeRussell]

It’s a blatant red unfortunately IMO. The initial challenge no, but the kick out afterwards is a red.

Hopefully the appeal ensures he can play on Saturday.

Does the losing of an appeal mean he misses an extra game?

Nah - no games added for losing appeal.

[darwenhibby]

Was there not a point in the 90’s when a Hibs player was sent off
I’m sure it was Yogi Hunter or Willie Miller
We appealed as we were down to the bare bones of a team over the Xmas period
I’m pretty sure the appeal panel went and sat on the Friday and the appeal was thrown out

[WeeRussell]

Was there not a point in the 90’s when a Hibs player was sent off
I’m sure it was Yogi Hunter or Willie Miller
We appealed as we were down to the bare bones of a team over the Xmas period
I’m pretty sure the appeal panel went and sat on the Friday and the appeal was thrown out

I never ever knew you got appeal panels back in those days 😃

[CMurdoch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzVFlQ1Q_ak&ab_channel=SPFL

I have a sympathy for Doidge on this one.
He is not expecting the defenders presence as he turns.
Look at his body position at 3:01 in the above clip.
Both feet are off the ground and he is leaning back and the defenders body movement is forward.
I think Hibs will be arguing some sort of natural body mechanics defence i.e. with both feet off the ground and leaning back his body naturally and involuntarily kicks out in an attempt to gain traction as it feels it is falling backwards.
Watch it and see what you think.

[Sir David Gray]

Nah - no games added for losing appeal.

If it's deemed to have been a frivolous appeal the ban can be increased by one game.

I'd say it's unlikely to happen though.

[Sir David Gray]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzVFlQ1Q_ak&ab_channel=SPFL

I have a sympathy for Doidge on this one.
He is not expecting the defenders presence as he turns.
Look at his body position at 3:01 in the above clip.
Both feet are off the ground and he is leaning back and the defenders body movement is forward.
I think Hibs will be arguing some sort of natural body mechanics defence i.e. with both feet off the ground and leaning back his body naturally kicks out in an attempt to gain traction as it feels it is falling backwards.
Watch it, see what you think.

I've seen it several times now and I still think it's a red card.

[Brightside]

Not a chance it will be pulled. I hope he doesn’t get more for appealing. We need him playing.

[hibbysam]

If it's deemed to have been a frivolous appeal the ban can be increased by one game.

I'd say it's unlikely to happen though.

Don’t think it’s ever happened.

[Sir David Gray]

Don’t think it’s ever happened.

I can't think of an example either to be honest, just thought I'd point out that the rule does exist.

[Moulin Yarns]

Aberdeen never appealed, they were advised that they had no grounds to appeal as there was no mistaken identity, which would have meant they would need to put forward the correct player.


Maybe not aformal appeal, but they did try to have it overturned on the grounds that the referee was a twat!



Aberdeen held talks with the governing body in an attempt to have it overturned but FIFA rules only allow a yellow card to be rescinded for cases of mistaken identity or simulation, so Ojo is now banned for Sunday’s clash with Celtic.

[Greenbeard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzVFlQ1Q_ak&ab_channel=SPFL

I have a sympathy for Doidge on this one.
He is not expecting the defenders presence as he turns.
Look at his body position at 3:01 in the above clip.
Both feet are off the ground and he is leaning back and the defenders body movement is forward.
I think Hibs will be arguing some sort of natural body mechanics defence i.e. with both feet off the ground and leaning back his body naturally and involuntarily kicks out in an attempt to gain traction as it feels it is falling backwards.
Watch it and see what you think.
Nah. In real time first view I did think it was him being off balance and falling backwards, but the replays clearly show a voluntary straightening of the leg into the RC player. No need. It is deliberate action with intent and rightly red.

[Golden Bear]

I'm glad Christian is not scheduled to appear in front of the Hibs Net judiciary panel otherwise he'd be shot at dawn!

[007]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzVFlQ1Q_ak&ab_channel=SPFL

I have a sympathy for Doidge on this one.
He is not expecting the defenders presence as he turns.
Look at his body position at 3:01 in the above clip.
Both feet are off the ground and he is leaning back and the defenders body movement is forward.
I think Hibs will be arguing some sort of natural body mechanics defence i.e. with both feet off the ground and leaning back his body naturally and involuntarily kicks out in an attempt to gain traction as it feels it is falling backwards.
Watch it and see what you think.

I don't think it will be overturned but I presume our case will centre on him being off balance and also the Ross County player's hands were on his leg so they might say he was trying to shake him off. However it's not as if the guy has a grip on him so I think our case won't be strong enough to prove the ref has made a blatant error. Don't know if the player's character comes into it but violent conduct is totally against Doidge's character.

[Carheenlea]

Reckon there’s an outside chance of this appeal being successful. Yellow card was about right for the “crime”. There were about three more dangerous tackles/flying arms which went unpunished compared to Doidge’’s tangle.

[90274]

Reckon there’s an outside chance of this appeal being successful. Yellow card was about right for the “crime”. There were about three more dangerous tackles/flying arms which than Doidge’’s tangle.

Correct, the boys tackle on Cadden was a shocker.

[CMurdoch]

I don't think it will be overturned but I presume our case will centre on him being off balance and also the Ross County player's hands were on his leg so they might say he was trying to shake him off. However it's not as if the guy has a grip on him so I think our case won't be strong enough to prove the ref has made a blatant error. Don't know if the player's character comes into it but violent conduct is totally against Doidge's character.

They tend to be very prescriptive hence even in the most extreme cases of unfairness such as the Ojo yellow card they couldn't do the right thing and resind it.
Doidge was sent off for 2 yellows in a game last season so not going in with a blank sheet.
As I said this incident looked like a red card for violent conduct but when you look at all the circumstances it isn't so straight forward, however, as you say the appeal is unlikely to be successful unless a wordsmith argues his case.

[Roxyhibee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzVFlQ1Q_ak&ab_channel=SPFL

I have a sympathy for Doidge on this one.
He is not expecting the defenders presence as he turns.
Look at his body position at 3:01 in the above clip.
Both feet are off the ground and he is leaning back and the defenders body movement is forward.
I think Hibs will be arguing some sort of natural body mechanics defence i.e. with both feet off the ground and leaning back his body naturally and involuntarily kicks out in an attempt to gain traction as it feels it is falling backwards.
Watch it and see what you think.

Agree with some important points you’re making on this - his standing leg is definitely in an unusually vulnerable position, especially given the immediate proximity and movement of the opponent and i think he feels under a bit threat because of that, particularly after a spell out with an injury. But I think it’s the clear force of the high loose one going into the player that’s going to make the appeal unsuccessful.

But you never know - I stopped trying to second guess the inner workings of the minds of our footballing ‘authorities’ many years ago.

[Sir David Gray]

Reckon there’s an outside chance of this appeal being successful. Yellow card was about right for the “crime”. There were about three more dangerous tackles/flying arms which went unpunished compared to Doidge’’s tangle.

I'm not sure other tackles in the game will be used as a measurement for whether the appeal will be successful or not.

The incident will be judged in its own right, as it should be, and if we take the green specs off it's definitely in red card territory.

I'd be astonished if the appeal is successful.

[Inconsequential]

I'm glad Christian is not scheduled to appear in front of the Hibs Net judiciary panel otherwise he'd be shot at dawn! He would survive though as the Hibsnet firing squad are poor shots. Bit early in the morn too. :wink:

[Carheenlea]

I'm not sure other tackles in the game will be used as a measurement for whether the appeal will be successful or not.

The incident will be judged in its own right, as it should be, and if we take the green specs off it's definitely in red card territory.

I'd be astonished if the appeal is successful.

Subjective of course, and the only opinion that matters really is that of the panel. Quietly hopeful!

[SMAXXA]

Appeal will be held tonight so will know either way ahead of tomorrow

[WeeRussell]

If it's deemed to have been a frivolous appeal the ban can be increased by one game.

I'd say it's unlikely to happen though.

Apologies for my misinformation - serves me right for believing the “it’s just a grand each time”.

In that case we’d deserve to get an extra game for appealing that…(not that it’ll happen obviously)

[WeeRussell]

I'm glad Christian is not scheduled to appear in front of the Hibs Net judiciary panel otherwise he'd be shot at dawn!

Or a few people are able to look at the challenge objectively, like grown ups, and see there’s absolutely no argument against the red card, and therefore just say that rather than pretending otherwise because it’s hibs and a player we like.

It’s worse every time I see the replay.. he’s actually raked his studs down the boy after extending his leg.

If that had been Morelos (or any non hibs player for that matter) we’d be going absolutely radge about it.

It won’t be changed. It shouldn’t have been appealed. It was stupid from Doidge. Time to move on and accept it.

[RMQ1967]

Or a few people are able to look at the challenge objectively, like grown ups, and see there’s absolutely no argument against the red card, and therefore just say that rather than pretending otherwise because it’s hibs and a player we like.

It’s worse every time I see the replay.. he’s actually raked his studs down the boy after extending his leg.

If that had been Morelos (or any non hibs player for that matter) we’d be going absolutely radge about it.

It won’t be changed. It shouldn’t have been appealed. It was stupid from Doidge. Time to move on and accept it.

Agreed - it was daft unfortunately. No chance it will be overturned:(

[Onceinawhile]

Appeal will be held tonight so will know either way ahead of tomorrow

Mad how quick they can hear an appeal when it's us.

When it's another team it can take weeks.

[wookie70]

Or a few people are able to look at the challenge objectively, like grown ups, and see there’s absolutely no argument against the red card, and therefore just say that rather than pretending otherwise because it’s hibs and a player we like.

It’s worse every time I see the replay.. he’s actually raked his studs down the boy after extending his leg.

If that had been Morelos (or any non hibs player for that matter) we’d be going absolutely radge about it.

It won’t be changed. It shouldn’t have been appealed. It was stupid from Doidge. Time to move on and accept it.


If it was Moreles he would have been booked so he couldn't have got a retrospective red. I think that is something we could cite in our favour pointing to previous incidents that were given as yellow. We could probably spend an hour just on Morelos

[WeeRussell]

If it was Moreles he would have been booked so he couldn't have got a retrospective red. I think that is something we could cite in our favour pointing to previous incidents that were given as yellow. We could probably spend an hour just on Morelos

I can’t think that pointing to challenges by other players that should have been reds but weren’t, will help Doidge get off with with a red that was rightly given, but we’ll see.

Personally think there’s absolutely zero chance of getting the red overturned regardless of how we pitch it, and rightly so, but again we will see.

[h185forever]

Appeal rejected

[hibbysam]

Maybe not aformal appeal, but they did try to have it overturned on the grounds that the referee was a twat!

They were basically told from the offset that they stood no chance based on the rules. Broadfoot explained the process well on one of this weeks sportsound shows.

Doidge appeal unsuccessful.

[lord bunberry]

Appeal rejected
No surprise there. They’d have been as well standing outside the ticket office and handing the first fan that went past a grand.

[Borderhibbie76]

Literally no idea why we appealed this tbh

[Eyrie]

Appeal rejected
Doesn't surprise me.


Literally no idea why we appealed this tbh
Because in normal circumstances the hearing wouldn't have been organised so quickly, and we've have had Doidge available tomorrow when Boyle is out, then suspended once Boyle is back.

[Since452]

Literally no idea why we appealed this tbh

Because James Scott might have to play.

[Eyrie]

Because James Scott might have to play.

I might change my prediction to St Johnstone 1, Hibs -1.

And if he's reading this, please make me look like an idiot, James.

[darwenhibby]

Conveniently sit when it’s a team outside Old Firm
Kin joke
It might have been a red but how quickly can a decision be made
When it doesn’t involve the Glasgow teams
It gets worse by the day

[RoxburghHibs]

Gavin Duncan was the fourth official who swore at Heckingbottom and Paul joked he’d “knock his teeth out.

[CMurdoch]

Because James Scott might have to play.

:greengrin

Middleton and Wotherspoon injured for St Johnstone and Kane suspended
Magennis and Murphy injured for Hibs and Boyle and Doidge suspended

Time for new heroes

[Glory Lurker]

Okay. How long are Boyle and Doidge out for? Both out tomorrow, Doidge out on Wednesday?

[Iggy Pope]

:greengrin

Middleton and Wotherspoon injured for St Johnstone and Kane suspended
Magennis and Murphy injured for Hibs and Boyle and Doidge suspended

Time for new heroes

I’m not looking forward to going tomorrow as I feel like ***** and thus can’t be bothered.
But that’s maybe three bits of brighter news.

[CMurdoch]

Okay. How long are Boyle and Doidge out for? Both out tomorrow, Doidge out on Wednesday?

Correct
Boyle out for 1 and Doidge out for 2

[CMurdoch]

I’m not looking forward to going tomorrow as I feel like ***** and thus can’t be bothered.
But that’s maybe three bits of brighter news.

My best decision of the week was weaseling out of the trip to Dingwall with a bad case of couldn't be arsed.

Middleton did a hamstring playing for Scotland 10 days ago.
Wothorspoon took a dull one to his left knee in their game at Hampden so could be out for a while depending on what the scans find.
I am guessing re Murphy.

[Iggy Pope]

My best decision of the week was weaselling out of the trip to Dingwall.

Middleton did a hamstring playing for Scotland 10 days ago.
Wothorspoon took a dull one to his left knee in their game at Hampden so could be out for a while depending on what the scans find.
I am guessing re Murphy.

I’m not looking at Murphy as a positive absence of course but Kane is as he is a ****ing pest and the other two are likely to damage us and have done in the past.

[Glory Lurker]

Correct
Boyle out for 1 and Doidge out for 2

Total madness from our two best players.

[bigwheel]

I’m not looking at Murphy as a positive absence of course but Kane is as he is a ****ing pest and the other two are likely to damage us and have done in the past.

Ross said that Murphy trained today for the first time and will face a late fitness test

[Iggy Pope]

Ross said that Murphy trained today for the first time and will face a late fitness test

I’m taking that and my bottle of Covonia as a positive.

[CMurdoch]

Ross said that Murphy trained today for the first time and will face a late fitness test

That's good news given he was injured during the enforced break and we didn't know what had happened to him.
The poor guy is really struggling. They used part of a hamstring to repair his bad ACL injury and his hamstrings give him big bother now. Out 4 time last season with hamstring injuries and this season appears to be more of the same.

[Iggy Pope]

That's good news given he was injured during the enforced break and we didn't know what had happened to him.
The poor guy is really struggling. They used part of a hamstring to repair his bad ACL injury and his hamstrings give him big bother now. Out 4 time last season with hamstring injuries and this season appears to be more of the same.

Is this widespread clinical knowledge or informed opinion or are you his surgeon? Definitely not his agent I see that much.

[Sir David Gray]

Appeal rejected

No surprise.

One of the most pointless appeals I've seen.

Hibs surely must have known this appeal was never going to be successful and the only reason for appealing was to try and get Doidge available for tomorrow but I would also have thought they would have known when the appeal was going to be heard.

[CMurdoch]

Is this widespread clinical knowledge or informed opinion or are you his surgeon? Definitely not his agent I see that much.

will send you a pm

[Stuart93]

Is this widespread clinical knowledge or informed opinion or are you his surgeon? Definitely not his agent I see that much.

That’s usual procedure for having your ACL reconstructed. Had it done myself and your hamstring is a lot more susceptible to going afterwards

[Hiber-nation]

I’m taking that and my bottle of Covonia as a positive.

That sounds like a whisky liqueur my Auntie used to drink :greengrin

[Iggy Pope]

will send you a pm

👍 Ta.

[Iggy Pope]

That's good news given he was injured during the enforced break and we didn't know what had happened to him.
The poor guy is really struggling. They used part of a hamstring to repair his bad ACL injury and his hamstrings give him big bother now. Out 4 time last season with hamstring injuries and this season appears to be more of the same.

Worked out well today!

[CMurdoch]

Worked out well today!

Yeah, he did well.

[Alfred E Newman]

Correct
Boyle out for 1 and Doidge out for 2

Why does Boyle only get one? They were both straight reds were they not or had Boyle already been booked?

[H18 SFR]

Why does Boyle only get one? They were both straight reds were they not or had Boyle already been booked?

Severity of offence.

[Sir David Gray]

Why does Boyle only get one? They were both straight reds were they not or had Boyle already been booked?

Boyle's was for foul and abusive language = 1 game ban.
Doidge's was for violent conduct = 2 game ban.

[Stonewall]

Is this widespread clinical knowledge or informed opinion or are you his surgeon? Definitely not his agent I see that much.

They used part of my ham string tendon when I had my ACL reconstruction. Hope that helps although I have had no ham string problems which may or may not be to do with my inactive lifestyle.

[Iggy Pope]

They used part of my ham string tendon when I had my ACL reconstruction. Hope that helps although I have had no ham string problems which may or may not be to do with my inactive lifestyle.

:greengrin