Hampden

[Col2]

The League Cup final will be our 6th visit to Hampden in less than 14 months.

Must be a record surely?

[Pagan Hibernia]

17th visit in the last 10 years.

[cabbageandribs1875]

26th final


between SC and LC

[SHODAN]

I mind telling everyone to enjoy it while it lasted a few years ago, given that we didn't go once between 2007 and 2012. How wrong I was...

[Since90+2]

17th visit in the last 10 years.

That will have brought in absolute massive amount of revenue to the club.

Probably looking at atleast a million if not more from the semi final and final appearance this season alone.

Should help us improve the squad in January.

[cabbageandribs1875]

42,298--Sat
45,014--Sun


i don't understand why their was only 3k more at yesterdays game, St Johnstone only had 2k i think it was, we had 10K, i didn't watch much of saturdays game was their smaller segregation for that one ?

[CMurdoch]

That will have brought in absolute massive amount of revenue to the club.

Probably looking at atleast a million if not more from the semi final and final appearance this season alone.

Should help us improve the squad in January.

Money from semi finals and final is split 4 ways (after a cut goes to the SFA) hence how important it is to always reach the semi finals.
No crowds Covid did us out of a lot of cup money last season.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Money from semi finals and final is split 4 ways (after a cut goes to the SFA) hence how important it is to always reach the semi finals.
No crowds Covid did us out of a lot of cup money last season.


surely the losers in both SF's don't get a cut from the final ?

[ian cruise]

The League Cup final will be our 6th visit to Hampden in less than 14 months.

Must be a record surely?

Just goes to show how much we've progressed as a club. Yes it hurts when you get there and fall at the last hurdle but the fact we're consistently there means the chance of winning increases greatly. Additionally our league positions are getting more consistent.

I appreciate that when you start to achieve consistently expectations increase but let's enjoy these moments, we're doing well.

[ancient hibee]

Money from semi finals and final is split 4 ways (after a cut goes to the SFA) hence how important it is to always reach the semi finals.
No crowds Covid did us out of a lot of cup money last season.

I would think the cut goes to the SPFL-it’s their competition-and they will pay a fee to the SFA for the rental of Hampden.

[ABZHFC]

Another wee stat about Hampden

We've only won 9 times there since 2000. 3 of those wins have come against Rangers

[DH1875]

surely the losers in both SF's don't get a cut from the final ?

Pretty sure we got money last year from the final.

[Keith_M]

It was quite clearly built on the cheap, is too small to be our 'National' Stadium, and the seats behind the goals are ridiculously far from the pitch.


Apart from that it's not too bad.

[Ringothedog]

surely the losers in both SF's don't get a cut from the final ?

The semifinals gate money is split 4 ways after deductions and the final is split 2 ways after deductions. A share goes to the SPFL not the SFA .

[Itsnoteasy]

The semifinals gate money is split 4 ways after deductions and the final is split 2 ways after deductions. A share goes to the SPFL not the SFA .

SFA will also get a cut as they must rent out Hampden for these games.

[Itsnoteasy]

It was quite clearly built on the cheap, is too small to be our 'National' Stadium, and the seats behind the goals are ridiculously far from the pitch.


Apart from that it's not too bad.

Would you rather it was bigger & looked half empty. Only Celtic v Rangers would fill it. Scotland have only started filling it as they are winning.

[Frazerbob]

After the Scotland game on Monday and our game on Sunday, we can definitely put to bed the nonsense that Hampden can’t generate a cracking atmosphere.

[Crunchie]

Another wee stat about Hampden

We've only won 9 times there since 2000. 3 of those wins have come against Rangers
Our record against them in cup games is outstanding, it's equally as bad against the other half of the erse cheek, here's hoping we buck that trend in the final.

[MWHIBBIES]

After the Scotland game on Monday and our game on Sunday, we can definitely put to bed the nonsense that Hampden can’t generate a cracking atmosphere.

Fans generate an atmosphere. Hampden is a rubbish ground but I wouldn't change it. Going there feels special and my best Hibs memories are there.

[grunt]

It was quite clearly built on the cheap, is too small to be our 'National' Stadium, and the seats behind the goals are ridiculously far from the pitch. Apart from that it's not too bad.
And access to it is a nightmare.

[ABZHFC]

Fans generate an atmosphere. Hampden is a rubbish ground but I wouldn't change it. Going there feels special and my best Hibs memories are there.

I do think the fact it's single-tiered round three sides of the stadium definitely contributes towards a better atmosphere, especially compared to more modern stadia like Wembley, but yeah, I agree about the memories, wouldn't want to change it

[SHODAN]

Build a new national stadium outside Stirling.

[Alfred E Newman]

I don't think there is much wrong with Hampden . The view was fine and the atmosphere on Sunday was the best I've been in for a long time. (5 years!).
I watched a bit of the Spain v Sweden game from Seville last week. Poor atmosphere and the crowd looked further away from the pitch than Hampden .

[Moulin Yarns]

Build a new national stadium outside Stirling.

Hampden is outside Stirling 😉

[Since90+2]

Build a new national stadium outside Stirling.

Why?

[BS44]

Build a new national stadium outside Stirling.

If people did not want to take Hibs to Straiton why on earth would you want to stick a national stadium in some god forsaken field miles away from any decent pubic transport? Madness.

[green day]

Build a new national stadium outside Stirling.

My wife is from Bridge of Allan, just outside Stirling.

Having watched a few Hibs matches in local pubs there over the years, I can confirm that it is Hun central so would hardly be a neutral area for us.

Also, the pubs are thin on the ground and crap.

Its a no from me.

[davhibby]

The constant moans about it being terrible for getting to and from are strange. The only stadium in the country that comes close in terms of good public transport links is Murrayfield. Then you’ve also got it’s proximity to the motorway and pubs etc. If you were building something from scratch you’d struggle to find a better location considering it would have to be in Glasgow or Edinburgh.

[CMurdoch]

The semifinals gate money is split 4 ways after deductions and the final is split 2 ways after deductions. A share goes to the SPFL not the SFA .

Thanks that makes sense

[JeMeSouviens]

The semifinals gate money is split 4 ways after deductions and the final is split 2 ways after deductions. A share goes to the SPFL not the SFA .

Was just reading the regs on this (posted by Billy Whizz on other thread). It's ...

- 20% to the SFA as owners of Hampden
- SPFL expenses deducted from balance
- 5% of remaining balance to SPFL
- subsequent remaining balance split 50-50 between clubs

Presumably Donkey & co will be busy scheming to get the last point changed in Celtc's favour. :rolleyes:

[Keith_M]

Would you rather it was bigger & looked half empty. Only Celtic v Rangers would fill it. Scotland have only started filling it as they are winning.



Celtc v anybody else and Rangers v anybody else would fill an 80k capacity stadium

Any combination of Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen would fill a 60k capacity stadium.

Hibs took 38k to a LC Final in 2004;
Aberdeen took 40k to a League Cup Final in 2014;
Hearts took ~35k to a SC Final in 2006


My biggest issue, though, is with the fact that the rebuild was so half-hearted that they didn't remove the massive gaps behind the goals. We play our international matches and Cup Finals in a stadium more suited to Athletics.

[Iain G]

The constant moans about it being terrible for getting to and from are strange. The only stadium in the country that comes close in terms of good public transport links is Murrayfield. Then you’ve also got it’s proximity to the motorway and pubs etc. If you were building something from scratch you’d struggle to find a better location considering it would have to be in Glasgow or Edinburgh.

It is strange we have our national stadium in a provincial city though 😁

[Frazerbob]

Build a new national stadium outside Stirling.

That’ll gash for pubs pre match.

[Danderhall Hibs]

That’ll gash for pubs pre match.

Depends where it is. If they dump it next to a big Asda and a 5 aside football centre it could be poor.

[WeeRussell]

Love the place and always will. Experienced some sublime atmospheres watching both Hibs and Scotland and suspect a few less hibs fans will be moaning about the place after Sunday 👍

[007]

Celtc v anybody else and Rangers v anybody else would fill an 80k capacity stadium

Any combination of Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen would fill a 60k capacity stadium.

Hibs took 38k to a LC Final in 2004;
Aberdeen took 40k to a League Cup Final in 2014;
Hearts took ~35k to a SC Final in 2006


My biggest issue, though, is with the fact that the rebuild was so half-hearted that they didn't remove the massive gaps behind the goals. We play our international matches and Cup Finals in a stadium more suited to Athletics.

Which is why they should have moved to Murrayfield but there was no chance the west coast biased SFA were ever going to do that, even with a much better case put forward for Murrayfield.

[JimBHibees]

The constant moans about it being terrible for getting to and from are strange. The only stadium in the country that comes close in terms of good public transport links is Murrayfield. Then you’ve also got it’s proximity to the motorway and pubs etc. If you were building something from scratch you’d struggle to find a better location considering it would have to be in Glasgow or Edinburgh.

Honestly think it is very difficult to get away from can remember being stuck in my car about 2 hours after end of Ross County final. Murrayfield a hundred times better stadium and location.

[BS44]

Honestly think it is very difficult to get away from can remember being stuck in my car about 2 hours after end of Ross County final. Murrayfield a hundred times better stadium and location.

Hampden is an absolute doddle to get away from. If it takes more than 90 minutes to get back to Edinburgh then you're doing it wrong. All that is needed is a wee bit homework to find the (many) alternative exit routes.

[JimBHibees]

Hampden is an absolute doddle to get away from. If it takes more than 90 minutes to get back to Edinburgh then you're doing it wrong. All that is needed is a wee bit homework to find the (many) alternative exit routes.

Only a doddle if you know these particular routes. Ross county by car was stuck in absolute gridlock. Celtic cup final was in bus in huge traffic jam were driving about for an hour and still seeing Hampden. Trains after recent Scotland game enormous queues took over an hour to get into central Glasgow. Hardly a doddle to get away from.

[Greenbeard]

It was quite clearly built on the cheap, is too small to be our 'National' Stadium, and the seats behind the goals are ridiculously far from the pitch.


Apart from that it's not too bad.
Have I been dreaming or did I not read a while ago that a redevelopment was being looked at which would bring the end stands closer to the pitch.

[JimBHibees]

Have I been dreaming or did I not read a while ago that a redevelopment was being looked at which would bring the end stands closer to the pitch.

Yes I think some fanciful development not committed to were in the proposal to prefer it to murrayfield.

[Keith_M]

Which is why they should have moved to Murrayfield but there was no chance the west coast biased SFA were ever going to do that, even with a much better case put forward for Murrayfield.


The SRU offered to share in the mid 90's, when they had only rebuilt three quarters of Murrayfield.

IIRC, the proposal was that the SFA contribute towards the rebuild of the West Stand and then share the ownership of the stadium.

Whoever it was in charge of the SFA at the time (can't remember now) was quite scornful about the whole idea and said something along the lines of "Glasgow is the home of Scottish football and that's where it's going to stay".

So we ended up with the on-the-cheap, half-arsed rebuild of Hampden that we're stuck with today.

[Since452]

Which is why they should have moved to Murrayfield but there was no chance the west coast biased SFA were ever going to do that, even with a much better case put forward for Murrayfield.

I used to think the same but days like Sunday make going through there and beating them in their own back garden unbeatable. Shows how backwards and ****ed up Scottish football is that I'm even saying that as Murrayfield is a no brainer in reality.

[Greenbeard]

The SRU offered to share in the mid 90's, when they had only rebuilt three quarters of Murrayfield.

IIRC, the proposal was that the SFA contribute towards the rebuild of the West Stand and then share the ownership of the stadium.

Whoever it was in charge of the SFA at the time (can't remember now) was quite scornful about the whole idea and said something along the lines of "Glasgow is the home of Scottish football and that's where it's going to stay".

So we ended up with the on-the-cheap, half-arsed rebuild of Hampden that we're stuck with today.
Don't know about that but I can tell you that what really stuck in the craw of the SRU mandarins was them getting c.£2m public money towards the redevelopment of Murrayfield in the early 90s with the rest having to be raised via debentures , and with an overspend putting them well over £20m in debt, whereas a couple of years later after the launch of the National Lottery, the SFA got c.£50m towards Hampden's redevelopment.

[ABZHFC]

I really do think if Murrayfield was in Glasgow and Hampden was in Edinburgh, most would prefer Hampden as a stadium. I think some folk forget quite how bad Murrayfield is for football games, the view behind both goals is every bit as bad as Hampden is, with the stands being absolutely miles away from the goalmouths

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq_K1UDfaoY&ab_channel=SPFL

Hampden has its faults, of course, but I think when you ask most Hibs/Hearts fans why they hate it so much, typically the comments that come up relate to transport/accessibility from Edinburgh. In terms of atmosphere I really think it's second to none in Scotland, and I have nothing but wonderful memories from it

[mjhibby]

After the Scotland game on Monday and our game on Sunday, we can definitely put to bed the nonsense that Hampden can’t generate a cracking atmosphere.

It's the fans who make the atmosphere. That's as as good as I've heard hampden. So many folk commented what a cracking buzz there was at the game.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Celtc v anybody else and Rangers v anybody else would fill an 80k capacity stadium

Any combination of Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen would fill a 60k capacity stadium.

Hibs took 38k to a LC Final in 2004;
Aberdeen took 40k to a League Cup Final in 2014;
Hearts took ~35k to a SC Final in 2006


My biggest issue, though, is with the fact that the rebuild was so half-hearted that they didn't remove the massive gaps behind the goals. We play our international matches and Cup Finals in a stadium more suited to Athletics.

What size of stadium would be required for say Falkirk v Inverness or a St.Johnstone v Livingston?

[Renfrew_Hibby]

I really do think if Murrayfield was in Glasgow and Hampden was in Edinburgh, most would prefer Hampden as a stadium. I think some folk forget quite how bad Murrayfield is for football games, the view behind both goals is every bit as bad as Hampden is, with the stands being absolutely miles away from the goalmouths

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq_K1UDfaoY&ab_channel=SPFL

Hampden has its faults, of course, but I think when you ask most Hibs/Hearts fans why they hate it so much, typically the comments that come up relate to transport/accessibility from Edinburgh. In terms of atmosphere I really think it's second to none in Scotland, and I have nothing but wonderful memories from it

Murrayfields not football stadium, great for rugby but very wrong in the dimensional sense for football. Plus it was also a stadium built on the cheap, maybe not quite as cheap as Hampden but still compare it to the Emirates or Wembley, Tottenham or even the Etihad, the only box it ticks is the capacity box.

[Steven79]

Murrayfields not football stadium, great for rugby but very wrong in the dimensional sense for football. Plus it was also a stadium built on the cheap, maybe not quite as cheap as Hampden but still compare it to the Emirates or Wembley, Tottenham or even the Etihad, the only box it ticks is the capacity box.All the big grounds in Scotland have massive flaws.

We really need one massive national stadium but it's never going to happen...

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[Carheenlea]

I like that Hampden still looks like Hampden. Can still stand (sit) at the same locations in the stadium as my earliest Hampden memories pre-redevelopment watching Dalglish curl in that goal against Spain, Mo Johnson’s double against France, Keith Wrights header against Rangers and winner against Dunfermline. Always feel nostalgia when returning to the stadium.

A plush new stadium would be nice, but happy enough with what we currently have. For all its faults it still has a soul. The same can’t really be said for some of the new arenas.

[Since90+2]

I like that Hampden still looks like Hampden. Can still stand (sit) at the same locations in the stadium as my earliest Hampden memories pre-redevelopment watching Dalglish curl in that goal against Spain, Mo Johnson’s double against France, Keith Wrights header against Rangers and winner against Dunfermline. Always feel nostalgia when returning to the stadium.

A plush new stadium would be nice, but happy enough with what we currently have. For all its faults it still has a soul. The same can’t really be said for some of the new arenas.

Not sure if you've ever been to the Millennium Stadium, I have, and it highlights exactly what we are missing when compared to Hampden. It's absolutely night and day the atmosphere that can be generated in there compared to the dump we have in Glasgow's South side.

Hampden is too open, the stands are too shallow and deep and it's miles from the pitch. It's really not a good stadium for a national stadium in 2021.

Yes, the atmosphere can be good but that's because whenever we are there it's for a huge game. Massive games tend to have an up for it crowd and good atmospheres.

[O'Rourke3]

The SRU offered to share in the mid 90's, when they had only rebuilt three quarters of Murrayfield.

IIRC, the proposal was that the SFA contribute towards the rebuild of the West Stand and then share the ownership of the stadium.

Whoever it was in charge of the SFA at the time (can't remember now) was quite scornful about the whole idea and said something along the lines of "Glasgow is the home of Scottish football and that's where it's going to stay".

So we ended up with the on-the-cheap, half-arsed rebuild of Hampden that we're stuck with today.

You may be mixing things up. Thatcher's Government in the form of the odious Michael Forsythe as SoS had a meeting with the SFA about building a new National Stadium around Stirling. Jim Farry point blank refused as "Football is a West of Scotland game". Tories told them to f off and that's why there was no Government funding for the rebuild on the current site. I know the Civil Servant who at the time was the Private Secretary.

[Waxy]

Build a new national stadium outside Stirling.

In other words, build a new national stadium, but not in Stirling.

[Bristolhibby]

The constant moans about it being terrible for getting to and from are strange. The only stadium in the country that comes close in terms of good public transport links is Murrayfield. Then you’ve also got it’s proximity to the motorway and pubs etc. If you were building something from scratch you’d struggle to find a better location considering it would have to be in Glasgow or Edinburgh.

It is crap to get back to humanity, especially if you’ve had a few jars and rely on public transport. This is even worse when it’s a night game.

Got to our hotel at midnight when I went with the kids for the Moldova game in September.

J

[JimBHibees]

Murrayfields not football stadium, great for rugby but very wrong in the dimensional sense for football. Plus it was also a stadium built on the cheap, maybe not quite as cheap as Hampden but still compare it to the Emirates or Wembley, Tottenham or even the Etihad, the only box it ticks is the capacity box.

Disagree was at Liverpool Napoli friendly there and was absolutely brilliant atmosphere and importantly views of the pitch.

[Greenbeard]

You may be mixing things up. Thatcher's Government in the form of the odious Michael Forsythe as SoS had a meeting with the SFA about building a new National Stadium around Stirling. Jim Farry point blank refused as "Football is a West of Scotland game". Tories told them to f off and that's why there was no Government funding for the rebuild on the current site. I know the Civil Servant who at the time was the Private Secretary.
Just £50m lottery funding.

[Keith_M]

What size of stadium would be required for say Falkirk v Inverness or a St.Johnstone v Livingston?



Tell you what...you let me know what the size of the crowd was the last time Falkirk played Inverness (or St-J plaed Livi) in a Final and I'll get back to you


:aok:

[Danderhall Hibs]

Tell you what...you let me know what the size of the crowd was the last time Falkirk played Inverness (or St-J plaed Livi) in a Final and I'll get back to you


:aok:

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Tell you what...you let me know what the size of the crowd was the last time Falkirk played Inverness (or St-J plaed Livi) in a Final and I'll get back to you


:aok:


i know the attendance for the last St Johnstone v Livingston final

=0

[Carheenlea]

Not sure if you've ever been to the Millennium Stadium, I have, and it highlights exactly what we are missing when compared to Hampden. It's absolutely night and day the atmosphere that can be generated in there compared to the dump we have in Glasgow's South side.

Hampden is too open, the stands are too shallow and deep and it's miles from the pitch. It's really not a good stadium for a national stadium in 2021.

Yes, the atmosphere can be good but that's because whenever we are there it's for a huge game. Massive games tend to have an up for it crowd and good atmospheres.

I have (France v New Zealand Rugby World Cup) and was hugely impressed. That development was definitely a stadium success story, but have been in the Aviva Stadium in Dublin and wasn’t that struck by it, and have heard folk say that Wembley has lost a bit of something from the old stadium.

[Keith_M]

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So, we have a two tier national stadium with a 75,000 capacity and... once in every 100 finals... they only open the bottom tier.


Problem solved

[Danderhall Hibs]

So, we have a two tier national stadium with a 75,000 capacity and... once in every 100 finals... they only open the bottom tier.


Problem solved

Sounds good to me. Can we have a Hibs end?

[HH81]

I have (France v New Zealand Rugby World Cup) and was hugely impressed. That development was definitely a stadium success story, but have been in the Aviva Stadium in Dublin and wasn’t that struck by it, and have heard folk say that Wembley has lost a bit of something from the old stadium.

I have been to old Wembley and new one.

New one is outstanding and way way better. I remember sat on a bench on back row of old Wembley. New one is just class.

[Keith_M]

Sounds good to me. Can we have a Hibs end?


Certainly, as long as we get seats in the North Stand.


😏

[Keith_M]

I have been to old Wembley and new one.

New one is outstanding and way way better. I remember sat on a bench on back row of old Wembley. New one is just class.

I totally understand people's nostalgia about old stadiums, but the experience didn't always live up to the expectations.

First time I went to Wembley (1983), I was near the back of the lower terrace, and could hardly see the pitch.

We were really far behind the goals, the terrace was really shallow and part of the view was blocked by the advertising boards.

[gbhibby]

Have I been dreaming or did I not read a while ago that a redevelopment was being looked at which would bring the end stands closer to the pitch.
Remember seeing something on that as well. I think the question was who would stump up the money. There was a stadium abroad which had the same issues and the company involved in doing the work on that stadium said the same thing could be done at Hampden.

[gbhibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hampden-running-track-revamp-table-24950385.amp
Link to redevelopment of stadium.