Car ploughs into Xmas Parade

[cabbageandribs1875]

Wuakesha, Milwaukee. at least 28 patients receiving treatment of which at least 15 are kids

Waukesha: Fatalities after car ploughs into Wisconsin parade - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59369492)


Police have said there were "some fatalities" after a car ploughed into a parade in Wisconsin.
Footage posted online shows a red sports utility vehicle (SUV) driving through a Christmas parade in the city of Waukesha, west of Milwaukee, at around 16:40 local time (22:40 GMT).

Police chief Dan Thompson said it hit more than 20 people including children.
He confirmed people had died but said they would not give details until family members had been told.

Mr Thompson said officers had recovered a suspect vehicle and a person of interest was in custody, but gave no further details. He added the investigation was "very fluid" and the injured has been taken to hospital by ambulance, police and family members.

Police fired at the car to try to stop it, he said. The FBI is assisting with the investigation.


i've saw a video elsewhere but won't put it up here

[HH81]

Just seen video. It's a shocker. So sad.

Five people died.

The guy in the car is a loser.

[Callum_62]

Christ


A woman who lives on Main Street says she saw the SUV barrel through a dance team of girls between 9 and 15 years old.

She says the immediate reaction was silence, followed by screaming, running, checking on those injured. @fox6now
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[cabbageandribs1875]

pity Wisconsin doesn't have the death penalty



fleeing another scene, imagine seeing people on the road ahead and just ploughing through them like it was a video game, deranged maniac

[lord bunberry]

pity Wisconsin doesn't have the death penalty



fleeing another scene, imagine seeing people on the road ahead and just ploughing through them like it was a video game, deranged maniac
Was he being chased by the police?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Was he being chased by the police?


that's not been disclosed yet, as soon as it was revealed he was fleeing another scene that was my first thought, if he wasn't then surely he would have saw everyone on the street and about turned and go another route but then again to mow people down like they were skittles suggests he wasn't exactly thinking rationally anyway

[lord bunberry]

that's not been disclosed yet, as soon as it was revealed he was fleeing another scene that was my first thought, if he wasn't then surely he would have saw everyone on the street and about turned and go another route but then again to mow people down like they were skittles suggests he wasn't exactly thinking rationally anyway
It won’t look good for the police if they’ve chased him into a crowded area. The guy could and should have stopped rather than doing what he did obviously, but there’s no way he should’ve been chased there.

[Berwickhibby]

It won’t look good for the police if they’ve chased him into a crowded area. The guy could and should have stopped rather than doing what he did obviously, but there’s no way he should’ve been chased there.

🙄 Oh yeah ...must be the police's fault....criminal fleeing after apparently committing a crime, drives his vehicle into a parade killing and injuring innocent people...but naturally it's the police's fault :confused:

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

🙄 Oh yeah ...must be the police's fault....criminal fleeing after apparently committing a crime, drives his vehicle into a parade killing and injuring innocent people...but naturally it's the police's fault :confused:

Thought that was a strange one too.

[Keith_M]

The guy's been named as Darrell E Brooks and reports are saying he has multiple criminal convictions in multiple US States, including crimes of Child Trafficking, Domestic Abuse and Sexual Abuse.

There are (as yet unverified) stories going around that he's posted racist comments online, but that may not be related to this at all.

[Keith_M]

Here's an article from The Telegraph about this guy...


"Mr Brooks had only been out on bail for two days after being arrested on 5 November on charges of domestic abuse, resisting an officer, second-degree recklessly endangering safety, disorderly conduct and felony bail jumping. His criminal record dates back to 1999."

"Witnesses described the car as having accelerated along the parade route and gone “from side to side, targeting people”."


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/darrell-brooks-wisconsin-suspect-waukesha-b1962219.html

[Berwickhibby]

Here's an article from The Telegraph about this guy...


"Mr Brooks had only been out on bail for two days after being arrested on 5 November on charges of domestic abuse, resisting an officer, second-degree recklessly endangering safety, disorderly conduct and felony bail jumping. His criminal record dates back to 1999."

"Witnesses described the car as having accelerated along the parade route and gone “from side to side, targeting people”."


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/darrell-brooks-wisconsin-suspect-waukesha-b1962219.html

Clear as anything now ...definitely the polices fault

[Keith_M]

Clear as anything now ...definitely the polices fault


Reading the comments of the bystanders, it's looking more and more like this was deliberate... and it looks like I was too quick to write off the relevance of the racist comment that he's 'alleged' to have posted on Facebook.

[hibsbollah]

Clear as anything now ...definitely the polices fault

He never said it was the police’s fault, he said it won’t look good for the police if it emerged they’d chased him into the scene of a parade, that’s absolutely correct and obvious , I’m not sure there’s any need for the ex cop rage :dunno:

[Stairway 2 7]

He never said it was the police’s fault, he said it won’t look good for the police if it emerged they’d chased him into the scene of a parade, that’s absolutely correct and obvious , I’m not sure there’s any need for the ex cop rage :dunno:

But there was nothing saying the police pushed him into an area, just completely made up to be anti police. He deliberately targeted people and there was also streets he could have pulled off into, rather than going through the whole parade. Basically potentially blaming the police saying he might have been pushed into it is just bizarre.

[Keith_M]

He never said it was the police’s fault, he said it won’t look good for the police if it emerged they’d chased him into the scene of a parade, that’s absolutely correct and obvious , I’m not sure there’s any need for the ex cop rage :dunno:


It had absolutely nothing to do with the police, though, so it did seem a strange part to focus on.


I'm amazed at the way that certain newspapers are covering this as well, e.g. this one...

25308

Honestly, it's in there.... somewhere.

[lapsedhibee]

I'm amazed at the way that certain newspapers are covering this as well, e.g. this one...

25308

Honestly, it's in there.... somewhere.

Do you mean that 'Man goes nuts at the other side of the world' should be top item on British news? :dunno:

[Berwickhibby]

He never said it was the police’s fault, he said it won’t look good for the police if it emerged they’d chased him into the scene of a parade, that’s absolutely correct and obvious , I’m not sure there’s any need for the ex cop rage :dunno:

Semantics....obviously you know nothing about being chased ...the person who is fleeing decides where he is going not the persueing officers. So again you are wrong with your absolutely correct and obvious comment

[hibsbollah]

Semantics....obviously you know nothing about being chased ...the person who is fleeing decides where he is going not the persueing officers. So again you are wrong with your absolutely correct and obvious comment

Are you saying the police aren’t warned against car chases into built up areas? Of course they are.

[Berwickhibby]

Are you saying the police aren’t warned against car chases into built up areas? Of course they are.

Once again your wrong (quite a habit ) a dynamic risk assessment on every persuit is taken at the time, and if there is risk to the public then the driver or the control room can end the persuit. But there is no warnings for persuing in a built up area.

[hibsbollah]

Once again your wrong (quite a habit ) a dynamic risk assessment on every persuit is taken at the time, and if there is risk to the public then the driver or the control room can end the persuit. But there is no warnings for persuing in a built up area.

Exactly, you’ve just made my point for me, if there is risk to the public they can end the pursuit. You’re just arguing for the sake of it, not for the first time.

[Berwickhibby]

Exactly, you’ve just made my point for me, if there is risk to the public they can end the pursuit. You’re just arguing for the sake of it, not for the first time.

No I haven't!!! That's not what you said in earlier posts :rolleyes:

[hibsbollah]

No I haven't!!! That's not what you said in earlier posts :rolleyes:

You’ve lost my interest now.

[AT8]

Why is it that when yet another thug with a rap sheet as long as your arm commits a crime, the first response is to try and find some way to blame the police?

[lapsedhibee]

Why is it that when yet another thug with a rap sheet as long as your arm commits a crime, the first response is to try and find some way to blame the police?

It wasn't the first response though, was it? Why are you claiming that it was? :dunno:

[AT8]

It wasn't the first response though, was it? Why are you claiming that it was? :dunno:

Ok, saying it was the first response was an error on my part, but the fact that there was even mention of the Police being at fault is disgusting.

[lord bunberry]

🙄 Oh yeah ...must be the police's fault....criminal fleeing after apparently committing a crime, drives his vehicle into a parade killing and injuring innocent people...but naturally it's the police's fault :confused:


Once again your wrong (quite a habit ) a dynamic risk assessment on every persuit is taken at the time, and if there is risk to the public then the driver or the control room can end the persuit. But there is no warnings for persuing in a built up area.
You’ve really came up with your own special take on what I posted. On the news it was suggested that he was fleeing from the scene of a crime, given what he did while he was fleeing I asked if the police were chasing him. Given that they were very quickly ruling out terrorism it seemed a highly unusual thing for someone who was fleeing from a crime scene to do. I don’t think it was unreasonable to ask (not accuse) if he was being chased. I was aware of the risk assessment and I wondered if this hadn’t been followed on this occasion. I still can’t get my head around why someone would commit a crime then try and flee the scene in order to plough into people in a Christmas parade. Maybe he was on drugs at the time.

[lord bunberry]

Ok, saying it was the first response was an error on my part, but the fact that there was even mention of the Police being at fault is disgusting.
Again I’d like to point out that I didn’t blame the police, I was trying to work out what had happened. You can call it disgusting all you want, but given your posts on the Donald Trump thread I’m pretty confident my moral compass will be pointing to a better place than yours.

[AT8]

Again I’d like to point out that I didn’t blame the police, I was trying to work out what had happened. You can call it disgusting all you want, but given your posts on the Donald Trump thread I’m pretty confident my moral compass will be pointing to a better place than yours.

Oh here we go, and this is exactly why I rarely post here any more. Take your virtue signaling and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

[lord bunberry]

Oh here we go, and this is exactly why I rarely post here any more. Take your virtue signaling and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
If I’m virtue signaling what do you call the post of yours that I replied to? You took my post and jumped on it despite it not saying what you said it did.

[AT8]

If I’m virtue signaling what do you call the post of yours that I replied to? You took my post and jumped on it despite it not saying what you said it did.

You are virtue signaling because you're suggesting that because I support President Trump, you're somehow a better person than me. Your very first post on this thread was, " was he being chased by the police?", why is that the first thing that comes to your mind? Later on, you state that "maybe he was on drugs" as a rationale for ploughing into a crowd of people when it's widely reported that he's an absolute ****bag criminal with disdain for white people.

[Berwickhibby]

You’ve really came up with your own special take on what I posted. On the news it was suggested that he was fleeing from the scene of a crime, given what he did while he was fleeing I asked if the police were chasing him. Given that they were very quickly ruling out terrorism it seemed a highly unusual thing for someone who was fleeing from a crime scene to do. I don’t think it was unreasonable to ask (not accuse) if he was being chased. I was aware of the risk assessment and I wondered if this hadn’t been followed on this occasion. I still can’t get my head around why someone would commit a crime then try and flee the scene in order to plough into people in a Christmas parade. Maybe he was on drugs at the time.

Your first post "It won’t look good for the police if they’ve chased him into a crowded area. The guy could and should have stopped rather than doing what he did obviously, but there’s no way he should’ve been chased there."

Rather than condem the murderer ...thoughts that the police may have chased him into the crowded area and look bad...but in the next line he could and should have been stopped.... you will have to explain to me how ��

[lord bunberry]

You are virtue signaling because you're suggesting that because I support President Trump, you're somehow a better person than me. Your very first post on this thread was, " was he being chased by the police?", why is that the first thing that comes to your mind? Later on, you state that "maybe he was on drugs" as a rationale for ploughing into a crowd of people when it's widely reported that he's an absolute ****bag criminal with disdain for white people.
I was trying to find a rational reason for someone who wasn’t a terrorist driving a car into innocent people and killing them. My first instinct is that no one would deliberately do that and I then tried to find a reason it could’ve been an accident. When I made my post there wasn’t any information on the guy that had committed the crime.

[lord bunberry]

Your first post "It won’t look good for the police if they’ve chased him into a crowded area. The guy could and should have stopped rather than doing what he did obviously, but there’s no way he should’ve been chased there."

Rather than condem the murderer ...thoughts that the police may have chased him into the crowded area and look bad...but in the next line he could and should have been stopped.... you will have to explain to me how ��
As I’ve just said I was trying to work out why someone would do such a terrible thing. There as a lot of if’s in my original post, all I was doing was kicking an idea around in my head.

[Callum_62]

You are virtue signaling because you're suggesting that because I support President Trump, you're somehow a better person than me. Your very first post on this thread was, " was he being chased by the police?", why is that the first thing that comes to your mind? Later on, you state that "maybe he was on drugs" as a rationale for ploughing into a crowd of people when it's widely reported that he's an absolute ****bag criminal with disdain for white people.Ex president, no?

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[hibsbollah]

Ex president, no?

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No, Trump won but it was a rigged election, I’m pretty sure I remember. 66% of republicans agree.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/politics/poll-66-republicans-don’t-think-biden’s-election-win-was-legitimate-186254

[AT8]

Ex president, no?

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With all that's being discussed on this thread, that's the best you can do? FYI, in the US, it's tradition to refer to someone with the highest title they've reached, even after leaving office.

[He's here!]

It won’t look good for the police if they’ve chased him into a crowded area. The guy could and should have stopped rather than doing what he did obviously, but there’s no way he should’ve been chased there.

Bizarre take on things. There's no suggestion the police had anything to do with him mowing down scores of people. It was a deliberate act according to reports, which also state that police were not chasing him. Officers at the parade fired shots at the vehicle in an attempt to bring it to a halt but were forced to desist due to the proximity of so many civilians.

Which part of that 'doesn't look good for the police'?! The guy sounds like a grade A vile piece of work who deserves whatever fresh punishment is coming his way. That's the narrative here.

[Callum_62]

Bizarre take on things. There's no suggestion the police had anything to do with him mowing down scores of people. It was a deliberate act according to reports, which also state that police fired shots at the vehicle in an attempt to bring it to a halt but were forced to desist due to the proximity of so many civilians.

Which part of that 'doesn't look good for the police'?! The guy sounds like a grade A vile piece of work who deserves whatever fresh punishment is coming his way. That's the narrative here.To play devil's advocate (!)

The guy was trying to understand if “fleeing another scene" meant he was getting chased by the cops after which he decided to floor it through a parade

That doenst appear to be the case

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[bigwheel]

Bizarre take on things. There's no suggestion the police had anything to do with him mowing down scores of people. It was a deliberate act according to reports, which also state that police were not chasing him. Officers at the parade fired shots at the vehicle in an attempt to bring it to a halt but were forced to desist due to the proximity of so many civilians.

Which part of that 'doesn't look good for the police'?! The guy sounds like a grade A vile piece of work who deserves whatever fresh punishment is coming his way. That's the narrative here.

There were reports at one point that were questioning whether the police had chased him towards the parade. They have now been found to be false. I’m sure the original rumours are what triggered the post. He does indeed seem to be a vile human being with a lengthy criminal past. Seem to have disdain for all human life.


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[Keith_M]

Apologies to everybody for the tone of some of my posts yesterday, I was in a bad mood.

[lord bunberry]

There were reports at one point that were questioning whether the police had chased him towards the parade. They have now been found to be false. I’m sure the original rumours are what triggered the post. He does indeed seem to be a vile human being with a lengthy criminal past. Seem to have disdain for all human life.


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That’s correct. When I made my post all there was available were rumours and suggestions. The only thing they had ruled out was terrorism. I still can’t get my head round how someone could do that and I never will. What a horrible *******.

[Keith_M]

That’s correct. When I made my post all there was available were rumours and suggestions. The only thing they had ruled out was terrorism. I still can’t get my head round how someone could do that and I never will. What a horrible *******.


:agree:


I'm sure we're all agreed on that.

[AT8]

I've just seen the video of his arrest. He put his hands up, didn't resist and as a result, he wasn't shot. Fancy that?

[Jones28]

I've just seen the video of his arrest. He put his hands up, didn't resist and as a result, he wasn't shot. Fancy that?

What awful circumstances to try and point score in.

[AT8]

What awful circumstances to try and point score in.

Not point scoring in the slightest. Just highlighting the fact that the lie that the Police shoot black men indiscriminately is exactly that, a lie.

[hibsbollah]

Not point scoring in the slightest. Just highlighting the fact that the lie that the Police shoot black men indiscriminately is exactly that, a lie.

Indiscriminately means ‘randomly or without judgement’. It does NOT mean ‘always’. So the claim that police indiscriminately shoot black men in the US is not disproven by your post.

I hadn’t even realised the perpetrator was black until last night. Is that relevant, do you think?

[lord bunberry]

Indiscriminately means ‘randomly or without judgement’. It does NOT mean ‘always’. So the claim that police indiscriminately shoot black men in the US is not disproven by your post.

I hadn’t even realised the perpetrator was black until last night. Is that relevant, do you think?
It would appear to some that it is.

[AT8]

Indiscriminately means ‘randomly or without judgement’. It does NOT mean ‘always’. So the claim that police indiscriminately shoot black men in the US is not disproven by your post.

I hadn’t even realised the perpetrator was black until last night. Is that relevant, do you think?

Of course it's relevant. For the last year and a half, all we've heard is how racist the Police are and that they shoot black men without cause, yet in each and every one of those high profile Police shootings, the victim was either engaged in a crime or was resisting arrest. What just happened with Darrell Brooks goes to prove the point that I've been making since day one and that is, don't resist arrest and you won't get shot. It really isn't difficult to understand.

[lapsedhibee]

Of course it's relevant. For the last year and a half, all we've heard is how racist the Police are and that they shoot black men without cause, yet in each and every one of those high profile Police shootings, the victim was either engaged in a crime or was resisting arrest. What just happened with Darrell Brooks goes to prove the point that I've been making since day one and that is, don't resist arrest and you won't get shot. It really isn't difficult to understand.

Can't help wondering if black men resist arrest more than white men do, and if so why that might be.

[AT8]

Can't help wondering if black men resist arrest more than white men do, and if so why that might be.

Well, considering that more white men are shot by police, who knows? I don't care what color you are, DON'T RESIST ARREST AND YOU GET TO LIVE AND HAVE YOUR DAY IN COURT.

[Keith_M]

....
I hadn’t even realised the perpetrator was black until last night. Is that relevant, do you think?


Disclaimer: I'm not writing this as a support of anybody else's comments (not naming any names, as I don't want to start another argument).


The guy is alleged to have posted comments on Facebook stating his desire to kill white people, so in this case there is some relevance to the colour of his skin.

If that is true (and it's not been confirmed 100%), then it's entirely possible this was a deliberate, mass, racist killing.

That's why I was honestly a bit surprised about the subdued news coverage, given racially motivated crimes (by both black and white perpetrators) have received so much coverage over the last couple of years

[hibsbollah]

Disclaimer: I'm not writing this as a support of anybody else's comments (not naming any names, as I don't want to start another argument).


The guy is alleged to have posted comments on Facebook stating his desire to kill white people, so in this case there is some relevance to the colour of his skin.

If that is true (and it's not been confirmed 100%), then it's entirely possible this was a deliberate, mass, racist killing.

That's why I was honestly a bit surprised about the subdued news coverage, given racially motivated crimes (by both black and white perpetrators) have received so much coverage over the last couple of years

Yes, it could have been that kind of killing. The coverage I read and listened to didn't make reference to the colour of his skin, so i was coming at the discussion the other evening totally from the perspective of what the guys motivation was, and being baffled as to why so much heat was being generated when bunberry wondered was he being chased by the cops. Then it appears that scoring BLM vs police points was why some people were on here.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Ex president, no?

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we can thank god for that










and the voters :)

[Keith_M]

Yes, it could have been that kind of killing. The coverage I read and listened to didn't make reference to the colour of his skin, so i was coming at the discussion the other evening totally from the perspective of what the guys motivation was, and being baffled as to why so much heat was being generated when bunberry wondered was he being chased by the cops. Then it appears that scoring BLM vs police points was why some people were on here.



For me, it makes no difference what the motives were, as it's a really horrendous thing to do no matter what people's motivation.

Evil is evil regardless.


I agree with you totally that I don't get why anybody would want to make it into a point scoring exercise, though.

[Callum_62]

for God’s sake, just acknowledge that by not resisting arrest, you don’t get shot. Better still, don’t engage in criminal behavior in the first place.

Was Breonna Taylor resisting arrest?



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[bigwheel]

Was Breonna Taylor resisting arrest?



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Indeed..and Ahmaud Arbery was unarmed and killed while resisting a “citizens arrest” by three neighbourhood vigilantes

[He's here!]

Relates to a different atrocity, but on the subject of the police credit to PC Andrew Harper's widow on the success of her campaign re the killers of emergency service workers:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-59394783

[Keith_M]

Maybe we could leave the squabbling and point scoring and remember these are real people that died over there.

I was just reading the list of victims and it's apparently a bunch of old ladies that took part in the 'Grannies Parade'.

[Berwickhibby]

Maybe we could leave the squabbling and point scoring and remember these are real people that died over there.

I was just reading the list of victims and it's apparently a bunch of old ladies that took part in the 'Grannies Parade'.

I did not post for point scoring or squabbling ....just miffed that the first point of blame was possibly the police chasing him into the parade rather than a murdering ****bag who murdered innocent people.

[He's here!]

Maybe we could leave the squabbling and point scoring and remember these are real people that died over there.

I was just reading the list of victims and it's apparently a bunch of old ladies that took part in the 'Grannies Parade'.

The ages of the dead range from 52 to 81. There were also scores of injured admitted to hospital including 18 kids. As I mentioned on the Liverpool terrorism thread it's sometimes easy to overlook how serious/life changing an injury can be.

[HNA2]

I understand this is a very emotive subject leading to some strong discussion but can you all try and do it without resorting to name calling please

[Keith_M]

I did not post for point scoring or squabbling ....just miffed that the first point of blame was possibly the police chasing him into the parade rather than a murdering ****bag who murdered innocent people.


I didn't mean you, mate

:aok:

[He's here!]

I did not post for point scoring or squabbling ....just miffed that the first point of blame was possibly the police chasing him into the parade rather than a murdering ****bag who murdered innocent people.

I'm with you on that. However, there do appear to be others (not necessarily on this thread but certainly within sectors of the media) for whom the incident seemed almost like an inconvenience because it doesn't fit with their preferred narrative ie black man who (according to his social media) is a Black Lives Matter supporter turns out to be (as you put it) a murdering ****bag with a long history of violent crime and a place on the Nevada sex offenders registry. And not even a hint that the police were in any way culpable for what happened. Not at all what you want to be hearing when demonisation of the police is one's favoured agenda.

[hibsbollah]

I'm with you on that. However, there do appear to be others (not necessarily on this thread but certainly within sectors of the media) for whom the incident seemed almost like an inconvenience because it doesn't fit with their preferred narrative ie black man who (according to his social media) is a Black Lives Matter supporter turns out to be (as you put it) a murdering ****bag with a long history of violent crime and a place on the Nevada sex offenders registry. And not even a hint that the police were in any way culpable for what happened. Not at all what you want to be hearing when demonisation of the police is one's favoured agenda.

Do you have any evidence or examples of media reports like this?

Because as I said earlier, it’s surely no surprise to anyone that black people are capable of evil, just as anyone is. Who thinks otherwise? I think normal minded people would just react with horror at a horrific act.

[Kato]

I'm with you on that. However, there do appear to be others (not necessarily on this thread but certainly within sectors of the media) for whom the incident seemed almost like an inconvenience because it doesn't fit with their preferred narrative ie black man who (according to his social media) is a Black Lives Matter supporter turns out to be (as you put it) a murdering ****bag with a long history of violent crime and a place on the Nevada sex offenders registry. And not even a hint that the police were in any way culpable for what happened. Not at all what you want to be hearing when demonisation of the police is one's favoured agenda.

BLM is about justice, not about every black person being inherently innocent. I don't know anyone who thinks they way you describe.

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[lord bunberry]

What a horrible thread this has turned into. It seems my post has started things off, but all I was trying to do was understand why someone would do such a terrible thing. I have to say I’ve found it quite upsetting that I’ve been painted as some kind of police hater or that I’ve dismissed the suffering of the victims to further an agenda. The internet is harsh sometimes, but I can’t stand the deliberate twisting of what I’ve said to make others feel justified in their opinions.

[Hibrandenburg]

What a horrible thread this has turned into. It seems my post has started things off, but all I was trying to do was understand why someone would do such a terrible thing. I have to say I’ve found it quite upsetting that I’ve been painted as some kind of police hater or that I’ve dismissed the suffering of the victims to further an agenda. The internet is harsh sometimes, but I can’t stand the deliberate twisting of what I’ve said to make others feel justified in their opinions.

I completely understand where you were coming from. Ultimately the ****bag driver is responsible for this hideous act. Some of the original reports were that he was being chased by a police car. Anyone who has ever watched any of the reality TV cop shows will have seen police pursuits that were stopped because the car being chased was travelling at dangerous speed in a built up area. It's a fair question to ask why that didn't happen this time without being labelled as a cop hater.

[Berwickhibby]

What a horrible thread this has turned into. It seems my post has started things off, but all I was trying to do was understand why someone would do such a terrible thing. I have to say I’ve found it quite upsetting that I’ve been painted as some kind of police hater or that I’ve dismissed the suffering of the victims to further an agenda. The internet is harsh sometimes, but I can’t stand the deliberate twisting of what I’ve said to make others feel justified in their opinions.

Perhaps because your original post “ Originally Posted by lord bunberry:
It won’t look good for the police if they’ve chased him into a crowded area. The guy could and should have stopped rather than doing what he did obviously, but there’s no way he should’ve been chased there.” Reads to me like you were looking for fault by the police and as I highlighted the person fleeing decides the route not the peruers.

[cabbageandribs1875]

What a horrible thread this has turned into. It seems my post has started things off, but all I was trying to do was understand why someone would do such a terrible thing. I have to say I’ve found it quite upsetting that I’ve been painted as some kind of police hater or that I’ve dismissed the suffering of the victims to further an agenda. The internet is harsh sometimes, but I can’t stand the deliberate twisting of what I’ve said to make others feel justified in their opinions.


you have absolutely nothing whatsoever to apologise for, or feel bad about

[danhibees1875]

What a horrible thread this has turned into. It seems my post has started things off, but all I was trying to do was understand why someone would do such a terrible thing. I have to say I’ve found it quite upsetting that I’ve been painted as some kind of police hater or that I’ve dismissed the suffering of the victims to further an agenda. The internet is harsh sometimes, but I can’t stand the deliberate twisting of what I’ve said to make others feel justified in their opinions.

Try not to let it get to you, LB.

We don't need everyone to point out the obvious that it's a tragedy and the offender is an expletive.

You're perfectly within reason to offer up the question of how things could have potentially been handled differently and whether or not fleeing a previous crime meant he was being chased by the police. If he was then you'd have been correct to say it wouldn't have looked good for the police at that point.

I'm sure most will have read that as it was intended. The problem with the internet is that people who do so will then not necessarily engage with your post so you don't realise that the majority have taken no issue with your post and certainly wouldn't think you're a police hater. :aok:

[Just Alf]

Perhaps because your original post “ Originally Posted by lord bunberry:
It won’t look good for the police if they’ve chased him into a crowded area. The guy could and should have stopped rather than doing what he did obviously, but there’s no way he should’ve been chased there.” Reads to me like you were looking for fault by the police and as I highlighted the person fleeing decides the route not the peruers.I really respect your comments, I know we're on pretty different sides politically but I tend to always appreciate your input.
I can't help thinking this thread is a mountain out of a mole hill.

You even quote "it wouldn't look good if the police chased him into a crowded area"

But you replied as if he'd said " it doesn't look good as the police have chased him into a crowded area"

There's a major difference, and at the time of the post there were questions in the media about police involvement, mostly pointed at the original crime scene but there were questions being asked if they, or the other criminals were doing any chasing, I thought it might have been some gang thing.... all a moot point now as more details emerge mind you.

I think we all agree the guys is a vile individual and needs put away for evermore, I can only imagine how all the affected families must be feeling.

[He's here!]

I really respect your comments, I know we're on pretty different sides politically but I tend to always appreciate your input.
I can't help thinking this thread is a mountain out of a mole hill.

You even quote "it wouldn't look good if the police chased him into a crowded area"

But you replied as if he'd said " it doesn't look good as the police have chased him into a crowded area"

There's a major difference, and at the time of the post there were questions in the media about police involvement, mostly pointed at the original crime scene but there were questions being asked if they, or the other criminals were doing any chasing, I thought it might have been some gang thing.... all a moot point now as more details emerge mind you.

I think we all agree the guys is a vile individual and needs put away for evermore, I can only imagine how all the affected families must be feeling.

CNN and CBS were reporting that the guy was 'fleeing a possible knife fight' (for which there appears to be no evidence) as an explanation for why he ended up driving into a crowd of hundreds of people - as though it would make sense, when evading arrest, to drive into a highly populated area with a substantial police presence and swerve into innocent civilians. Who really thought that made any sense? Especially when within minutes of the atrocity there was video footage available which showed it to be a deliberate act with no police in pursuit.

Sure, initial reports in such horrifying circumstances can be confusing and contradictory, but when I pointed out similar on the Liverpool bomber thread one poster in particular seemed to feel duty bound to shoot down (for want of a better phrase) anything that painted the terrorist in a negative light.

FWIW I absolutely agree that evil is evil pure and simple, but for some there is always an agenda (again, I add, not necessarily on this thread).

[Just Alf]

CNN and CBS were reporting that the guy was 'fleeing a possible knife fight' (for which there appears to be no evidence) as an explanation for why he ended up driving into a crowd of hundreds of people - as though it would make sense, when evading arrest, to drive into a highly populated area with a substantial police presence and swerve into innocent civilians. Who really thought that made any sense? Especially when within minutes of the atrocity there was video footage available which showed it to be a deliberate act with no police in pursuit.

Sure, initial reports in such horrifying circumstances can be confusing and contradictory, but when I pointed out similar on the Liverpool bomber thread one poster in particular seemed to feel duty bound to shoot down (for want of a better phrase) anything that painted the terrorist in a negative light.

FWIW I absolutely agree that evil is evil pure and simple, but for some there is always an agenda (again, I add, not necessarily on this thread).

agree with all that :agree: