Kyle Rittenhouse cleared.

[stokesmessiah]

America is an absolute basket case of a country.

[Pretty Boy]

From what I have read the prosecution made an absolute hash of things.

2 of their key witnesses basically ended up as defence witnesses because of the testimony they provided. They also allowed Rittenhouse to look like a victim with their method of questioning. As soon as he started crying and the prosecutor had to be admonished for his manner and line of questioning the game was up.

[lapsedhibee]

As soon as he started crying

Saw a bit of that. Is that one of Hancock's second jobs, prepping defendants in the US?

[Mon Dieu4]

From what I have read the prosecution made an absolute hash of things.

2 of their key witnesses basically ended up as defence witnesses because of the testimony they provided. They also allowed Rittenhouse to look like a victim with their method of questioning. As soon as he started crying and the prosecutor had to be admonished for his manner and line of questioning the game was up.

Will premise this by saying I think he's a wee tit and I couldn't have cared less if he was sent down for life, I agree with what you say but the media and social media are complicit in it too

Having have read all the stuff about the "case" beforehand and during the build up you would have it was a slam dunk of a case but having watched it all pan out with the actual facts tears and all I'm certainly not surprised in the result

As nuts as it sounds with the way things work over there, I does look like it was "self defense" in the eyes of the their laws, canny believe I'm saying that

Wonder what happens now, as there is no way he can go back to normal life someone will get to him

[lord bunberry]

I suspect that this will cause tensions to spill over and more people will die. An absolutely mind boggling decision that defies all logic,

[lord bunberry]

This is the video of a so called self defence, turning up with a gun can’t ever be self defence, he was only attacked because he had the gun, what a ****in disgusting decision

https://youtu.be/iryQSpxSlrg
https://youtu.be/iryQSpxSlrg

[gbhibby]

Only in America. The guy is a dangerous individual who should have been locked up for a very long time. His performance on the stand was worthy of an academy award. As an American women who has lived in Edinburgh for 10 years said to me Civilised countries don't write into their constitution the right of individuals to carry guns, that's why she will never live in America ever again.

[Keith_M]

This guy actually went to the demonstration looking for trouble, with a semi-automatic weapon.

What happened was no 'unavoidable incident'.

[AugustaHibs]

For anyone who watched the trial this is absolutely no surprise.

Prosecutors were an absolute shambles and when you start bringing up the fact the guy plays ‘call of duty’ and try and use it as proof that he’s a dangerous individual who could murder 2 people it becomes a clown car.

[lucky]

It’s crazy that a young man is allowed a semi automatic weapon never mind being allowed to take it onto the streets. The gun laws in the USA are beyond the pale. As a country they need to address it but won’t because of politics

[Sergio sledge]

Will premise this by saying I think he's a wee tit and I couldn't have cared less if he was sent down for life, I agree with what you say but the media and social media are complicit in it too

Having have read all the stuff about the "case" beforehand and during the build up you would have it was a slam dunk of a case but having watched it all pan out with the actual facts tears and all I'm certainly not surprised in the result

As nuts as it sounds with the way things work over there, I does look like it was "self defense" in the eyes of the their laws, canny believe I'm saying that

Wonder what happens now, as there is no way he can go back to normal life someone will get to himYeah, I don't agree with it, but given the way the law works over there I can see how they have found him not guilty of intentional homicide. IMHO taking a weapon to a protest suggests you intend to use it full in the knowledge of what the outcome would likely be, so I would have thought he should have been found guilty. Seems that's not the view over there though.

I don't understand how he wasn't found guilty of reckless endangerment though, surely, surely his actions were a clear example of that.

Perhaps the prosecution messed up trying to get him for the highest possible charges and should have gone for a second or third degree charge. Proving he set out with the intent to kill was always going to be so difficult.

[Hibrandenburg]

This guy actually went to the demonstration looking for trouble, with a semi-automatic weapon.

What happened was no 'unavoidable incident'.

He also travelled a long way to get there.

[Smartie]

It's tempting to comment on the absolute state the UK is in in so many ways at present, however...

Particularly when compared to America I think we do things very well when it comes to guns.

Situations like this in the USA are just baffling to me. By the letter of the law I think the right thing has probably been done, but the law is absolutely bat **** crazy for a developed country that has had so long to evolve into something sensible.

[Killiehibbie]

This guy actually went to the demonstration looking for trouble, with a semi-automatic weapon.

What happened was no 'unavoidable incident'.

I read that you have to be 21 to legally own a gun in Illinois and 18 in Wisconsin. His lawyers argued he was allowed to be armed to go hunting. If hunting on the streets is legal their country is more ****ed than this one.

[Hibrandenburg]

The message seems to be that if you're white then you can walk the streets with an assault rifle killing people during a riot. If you're black you're likely to get shot if the police suspect you might have a gun.

[AltheHibby]

I can't help but think of the court scene in Mississipi Burning where the judge tells the defendents he understands why they did what they did.

[500miles]

Given the laws in place, it seemed pretty inevitable he was going to get off with it. You can open carry, you can "stand your ground".

The fact he killed 2 white guys, one a sex offender and another with DV history means it probably won't boil over like a race riot. What it might mean is more proud boys on the street.

[Ozyhibby]

When you see the videos it does look like self defence and if he is not breaking the law by carrying the weapon then it’s no surprise he got acquitted.
The madness is that he was allowed to carry a rifle about in the first place.


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[Hibrandenburg]

When you see the videos it does look like self defence and if he is not breaking the law by carrying the weapon then it’s no surprise he got acquitted.
The madness is that he was allowed to carry a rifle about in the first place.


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He probably was scared when he pulled the trigger, but he got himself into the situation intentionally. He got exactly what he premeditated.

[Paul1642]

Probably the correct decision despite being mental for that to be so. He was legally carrying a weapon which for crazy reasons is actually allowed, and then used it in self defence when threatened which I guess is the reason he was allowed the gun in the first place 🤷*♂️ What a mental country. Really put our social problems in Britain into proportion.

It’s also scary how political many trials over there have become. Don’t envy the Judges out there. It should be a simple case of knowing the law and weighing up the evidence. Now there is a whole new level to things where the president (current and previous) feel the need to publicly criticise the decision and give there opinion, even before a decision is made which is a dangerous precedent, especially if a jury is involved. Government and Justice should not interfere with one another.

[Killiehibbie]

Probably the correct decision despite being mental for that to be so. He was legally carrying a weapon which for crazy reasons is actually allowed, and then used it in self defence when threatened which I guess is the reason he was allowed the gun in the first place 🤷*♂️ What a mental country. Really put our social problems in Britain into proportion.

It’s also scary how political many trials over there have become. Don’t envy the Judges out there. It should be a simple case of knowing the law and weighing up the evidence. Now there is a whole new level to things where the president (current and previous) feel the need to publicly criticise the decision and give there opinion, even before a decision is made which is a dangerous precedent, especially if a jury is involved. Government and Justice should not interfere with one another.
Was he legally carrying the weapon? His defence argued that although underage he could be armed to go hunting. Somebody is up for giving it to him.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I'm not a criminal lawyer, but I'm puzzled he was cleared by self-defence. Rittenhouse, as a seventeen year old minor, couldn't buy a gun, so he gave a friend the money to buy an AR-15 rifle for him. He then travelled across state lines to an anti-racism demonstration, saying he wanted to protect businesses that he feared might be looted during the demonstration. Why that was any of his concern is a reasonable question. Whilst confronting the demonstrators with his rifle, some of them tried to disarm Rittenhouse, one by hitting him with a skateboard. Rittenhouse said he feared that, if disarmed, his gun would be used to shoot him. Thus, being afraid, he shot three people, killing two unarmed men, one of whom was walking away from Rittenhouse and had his back to him.

Apparently that's grounds for self defence; but what precedent does it set legally? Can anyone now turn up at a demo, start shooting and claim they were afraid, so had that right? Are armed instigators in all future confrontations now untouchable by the law? I don't see how Rittenhouse could claim that he had no choice but to kill, when he travelled to the demo with his rifle and implanted himself in the middle of the situation. It hardly sounds like the action of last resort by someone who was put in an unavoidable situation. As far as I'm aware, however, there was no manslaughter option to deliberate; it was murder or nothing. I don't know why that was the case. Given America's incredibly high number of shootings, such a precedent could make things far worse.

[Ozyhibby]

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/01/us/arizona-wheelchair-officer-shooting/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNN&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2021-12-01T10%3A31%3A02

More gun madness.


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[Sylar]

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/01/us/arizona-wheelchair-officer-shooting/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNN&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2021-12-01T10%3A31%3A02

More gun madness.


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There was also another school shooting yesterday in Michigan.

And I'm sure several hundred other incidents involving firearms across the various States.

[Callum_62]

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/01/us/arizona-wheelchair-officer-shooting/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNN&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2021-12-01T10%3A31%3A02

More gun madness.


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[Berwickhibby]

Yanks and guns….Enough said

[Keith_M]

There was also another school shooting yesterday in Michigan.

And I'm sure several hundred other incidents involving firearms across the various States.


Just read that. Three children killed by a fifteen year old boy.

That is just so upsetting.