Nathan Patterson

[StirlingHibee]

Putting all rivalry aside (for a few minutes anyway), a terrific footballer with huge potential who will surely join the majority of his Scotland team mates in the Premiership soon. Suspect he may join a "Tier 2" club such as Everton or Aston Villa, however, although always a gamble with a young player, wonder if one of the Top Six might make a move for him.

[H18 SFR]

Putting all rivalry aside (for a few minutes anyway), a terrific footballer with huge potential who will surely join the majority of his Scotland team mates in the Premiership soon. Suspect he may join a "Tier 2" club such as Everton or Aston Villa, however, although always a gamble with a young player, wonder if one of the Top Six might make a move for him.

Watched him in one of their European games, he simply couldn’t defend. If he does get a move to the EPL he will need to improve that side of his game first.

[BILLYHIBS]

Brilliant goal but looked way short of international standard imho

Unsurprising I suppose in one so young

One for the future

[lord bunberry]

He’s very much the modern day wide defender. The jury is still out for me as like Tavernier he’s great going forward, but vulnerable going the other way. There’s a reason Tavernier isn’t playing in the premiership and it’s his defensive ability, Paterson definitely has a chance, but he needs to be playing every week or he won’t develop.

[Pretty Boy]

I'm just glad we haven't pissed about with him.

Got him in the squad for the Euros and have pitched him in in competitive games now. It's an area where we don't have a stand out candidate so worth seeing what him, Ramsay at Aberdeen and Ralston at Celtic have to offer. They might all sink but the chances are that would just as likely happen at 25 as at 19.

[Since452]

Personally don't think he's anything special

[Hiber-nation]

No idea what folk are expecting. The laddie has been fantastic. The defensive side of his game will obviously improve. Potentially our best RB since Hutton.

[Hibernia&Alba]

He looks a good young prospect. It was recently rumoured Everton are interested.

[ancient hibee]

For a player who has hardly kicked a ball this season apart from internationals he's a great prospect. Posters who don't rate him or Gilmour should realise they hardly play so it's no wonder they take a little while to settle into the game.

[hibby rae]

Putting all rivalry aside (for a few minutes anyway), a terrific footballer with huge potential who will surely join the majority of his Scotland team mates in the Premiership soon. Suspect he may join a "Tier 2" club such as Everton or Aston Villa, however, although always a gamble with a young player, wonder if one of the Top Six might make a move for him.

He'd be coached by Leighton Baines if he went to Everton. Not a bad one to learn his craft from.

[JimBHibees]

Huge talent providing assists and goals at international level, huge prospect

[Radium]

Good talent who is a bit raw and simply needs to get a move to a decent level and play games: he won’t get games at TRFC


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[SMAXXA]

Huge talent providing assists and goals at international level, huge prospect

Fine doing it against the lesser teams when the game is played in front of him Jim, I like the kid and think he’s got a great chance but defensively he has a lot to learn. Clark plays him against these teams but goes for O’Donnell when we are going to defend more. Not the laddies fault he needs games to develop that side so needs to move from the huns even on loan to get that.

[Brooster]

Oops thought I was on a Hibs forum for a second there.

[Golden Bear]

He reminds me of a young John Brownlie, that's how good I think Patterson is.

[WeeRussell]

For a player who has hardly kicked a ball this season apart from internationals he's a great prospect. Posters who don't rate him or Gilmour should realise they hardly play so it's no wonder they take a little while to settle into the game.

There are posters who don’t rate Gilmour? He stands out every time he pulls the scotland jersey on.

Patterson looks good and hope he continues his improvement and form for Scotland. Preferably while associated with a different club.

[Onceinawhile]

Needs game time.

Good going forward, questionable the other way. Needs games go learn. Unfortunately unlikely to get them.

[CMurdoch]

Fine doing it against the lesser teams when the game is played in front of him Jim, I like the kid and think he’s got a great chance but defensively he has a lot to learn. Clark plays him against these teams but goes for O’Donnell when we are going to defend more. Not the laddies fault he needs games to develop that side so needs to move from the huns even on loan to get that.

I agree with all that.
A great player to have when you are trying to break down inferior teams but not the man for Scotland when there is a defensive job to be done.
I actually prefer the Aberdeen right back Ramsey.
The right back problem should be a thing of the past now with the two of them carving it up for Scotland for the next 12 or so years.

[Hibee Mac]

Looks a great prospect, although I would say some of the praise is a bit over the top given he did look poor overall against Israel at Hampden.

That being said, he clearly has a higher ceiling than guys like O'Donnell so given our choices he's a no brainer in the long term for Scotland.

[Spudster]

Watched him in one of their European games, he simply couldn’t defend. If he does get a move to the EPL he will need to improve that side of his game first.

That’s the standard for full backs at the highest level nowadays. The like of Kyle walker and luke shaw are awful defending IMO. Rightly or wrongly it’s a very Scottish thing to look at a full back as a predodnominantly defensive job.

[EI255]

Brilliant goal but looked way short of international standard imho

Unsurprising I suppose in one so young

One for the futureWhere DOES that leave the likes of Josh Doig then?

Imo, NP was superb last night.

Great performance.



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[JimBHibees]

Fine doing it against the lesser teams when the game is played in front of him Jim, I like the kid and think he’s got a great chance but defensively he has a lot to learn. Clark plays him against these teams but goes for O’Donnell when we are going to defend more. Not the laddies fault he needs games to develop that side so needs to move from the huns even on loan to get that.

Wouldn't disagree with that though he was played against Israel who have decent forward talent. In that game he struggled but came onto a game in the second half. He is young and hasnt played much but a great option that is for sure think he now has about 3 or 4 assists plus a goal. Given Scotland play a back three he probably has less defending to do than he might do.

[MWHIBBIES]

Oops thought I was on a Hibs forum for a second there.

''The messageboard for all Hibs fans to chat about Hibs and football in general.''

Been there for years.

[JimBHibees]

''The messageboard for all Hibs fans to chat about Hibs and football in general.''

Been there for years.

Also an international break nothing else to talk about. :greengrin

[BILLYHIBS]

Where DOES that leave the likes of Josh Doig then?

Imo, NP was superb last night.

Great performance.



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Not that convinced with Josh Doig tbh

If he was as good as you think he would be in the squad

NP was good going forward but not so good defensively getting caught wrong side showed inexperience and picked up a stupid booking that rules him out for Denmark

First touch was out but I accept he has not had a lot of game time and needs to be playing more

One superb ball from Gilmour was played through to him that he seemed to be unable to control

As I said a tremendous prospect

One goal one assist cannae be angry

[SMAXXA]

Where DOES that leave the likes of Josh Doig then?

Imo, NP was superb last night.

Great performance.



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It leaves him in the same situation as Hickey, there are better players in front of them at the moment and until that changes they won’t be called up. Patterson is a right back and doesn’t have the same barriers in front of him to get called up and it seems not even the barrier of not getting a game for your club has a baring on this.

[SChibs]

Not that convinced with Josh Doig tbh

If he was as good as you think he would be in the squad

NP was good going forward but not so good defensively getting caught wrong side showed inexperience and picked up a stupid booking that rules him out for Denmark

First touch was out but I accept he has not had a lot of game time and needs to be playing more

One superb ball from Gilmour was played through to him that he seemed to be unable to control

As I said a tremendous prospect

If Doig was a rb he would be in the squad imo. At the moment he is up against Robertson and Tierney whereas Patterson is up against O'Donnell.

[Since90+2]

If Doig was a rb he would be in the squad imo. At the moment he is up against Robertson and Tierney whereas Patterson is up against O'Donnell.

Doig is nowhere near international standard.

[BILLYHIBS]

If Doig was a rb he would be in the squad imo. At the moment he is up against Robertson and Tierney whereas Patterson is up against O'Donnell.

Dearie me

[JimBHibees]

Doig is nowhere near international standard.

Certainly had a bit to go however watched him v Turkey u21s and he was very good.

[superfurryhibby]

Until the goal he wasn’t playing particularly well. He took his chance with some skill and clearly has self belief. He’s a decent prospect, but has a long way to go. Hopefully he will improve and become a decent international player, there’s a regular Scotland starting place available if he can.

[SChibs]

Doig is nowhere near international standard.

I agree but I don't think O'Donnell is particularly good so there's not much competition. My point was there's a massive difference in quality between the lb's and rb's

[Brightside]

Doig is nowhere near international standard.

He clearly is hence why he is in the 21s right now.

[MWHIBBIES]

Doig is nowhere near international standard.

He is no where near the Scotland squad because they have 2 world class left backs. But there are literally part time footballers player for loads and loads of international sides. International standard doesn't exist. Its far too broad a skill level to just lump under 1 name.

[Since452]

If Doig was a rb he would be in the squad imo. At the moment he is up against Robertson and Tierney whereas Patterson is up against O'Donnell.

Agreed. O'Donnell is nowhere near good enough. Patterson doesn't have much competition. The difference in quality between our lb's and rb's is night and day.

[Iain G]

Certainly had a bit to go however watched him v Turkey u21s and he was very good.

It's only his second fully professional season, better in the U21 set up getting good experience at the moment. We are actually doing well for left backs at the moment!

[ekhibee]

He is no where near the Scotland squad because they have 2 world class left backs. But there are literally part time footballers player for loads and loads of international sides. International standard doesn't exist. Its far too broad a skill level to just lump under 1 name.

But he's Scottish so it's irrelevant what the international standard of other countries is, he's not going to be playing for any other country and he's not good enough to challenge Robertson or Tierney for a place at the moment.

[MWHIBBIES]

But he's Scottish so it's irrelevant what the international standard of other countries is, he's not going to be playing for any other country and he's not good enough to challenge Robertson or Tierney for a place at the moment.

Right, so hes not good enough for the current Scotland squad. Hes not nowhere near good enough considering he is starting for the u21s. I'd say I'm nowhere near good enough, not him.

The idea of some great international standard is nonsense. Worse players than Doig have played plenty games for Scotland.

[easty]

It's only his second fully professional season, better in the U21 set up getting good experience at the moment. We are actually doing well for left backs at the moment!

And he’s still younger than Robertson was when he got his first Scotland cap.

Incredible, but not surprising unfortunately, that as usual we have Hibs fans who are happy to talk down our own players.”

Josh Doig is a fantastic young talent, who’s miles away from the finished article, but at his age that’s always going to be the case. Young player of the year in Scotland last season for good reason.,

As for Patterson. He’ll be a good player, just like Doig, he’s nowhere near perfect, but they’ll both improve with experience.

[Pretty Boy]

Doig (and Hickey) are just unfortunate that they have Robertson ahead of them, if he is unavailable then Tierney moves over. 2 top class players ahead of them in the pecking order and both those guys are still young themselves.

The right side is a different story. Stephen O'Donnell has been a good servant for Scotland but he's shown you all he is ever going to. Same goes for the likes of Paul McGinn, solid player but he's as good now as he's ever going to be. Suddenly we have 3 young guys all with bags of potential who are going to get a chance because of that lack of options on that side. It's an amazing opportunity for them.

I'm not sure we need to talk the likes of Doig down. If Robertson and Tierney were both right sided then him and Hickey would be where Patterson is now and Patterson would be on the outside looking in as they are.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm glad we are playing Patterson, we know he's not the finished article, but along with the lad from Aberdeen, they are the future. Odonnel has done well, but I'm glad we are giving kids a chance while they are still kids rather than waiting and waiting while persevering with someone we know will never improve.

[Since90+2]

He clearly is hence why he is in the 21s right now.

There are loads of players who play loads of times for the under 21s but barely ever play for the full side as the are not good enough.

Your favourite player being a prime example.

[Smartie]

I'm glad we are playing Patterson, we know he's not the finished article, but along with the lad from Aberdeen, they are the future. Odonnel has done well, but I'm glad we are giving kids a chance while they are still kids rather than waiting and waiting while persevering with someone we know will never improve.

Horses for courses imo.

O’Donnell is a good defender, limited going forward though.

If we need someone whose game is primarily defensive we go for O’Donnell. Most of the time we need more going forward than he offers.

Worth remembering how well he played against England. And how lost he looked at other times during the Euros.

[Dr What If?]

I'm glad we are playing Patterson, we know he's not the finished article, but along with the lad from Aberdeen, they are the future. Odonnel has done well, but I'm glad we are giving kids a chance while they are still kids rather than waiting and waiting while persevering with someone we know will never improve.

Lads like Patterson and Gilmour at their ages need to be playing to develop, what neither have is experience and it is inevitable that at some point that will bite them. Both have shown on the international stage that they are good enough and have bags on untapped potential. Playing for Scotland has built their profiles though and while their clubs might not be looking to sell, Scotland has put them in the shop window for clubs that want to play them now. Give them both a couple of seasons in a starting XI and we will see a different standard of player to what we have now.
On a side note, I'm sure I read that Hickey can play rightback? If that is the case I don't see why he isn't getting the call? I do wonder if his continued call offs for the U21 isn't delaying his first full cap.