Do we deserve to survive?

[lord bunberry]

As a species would it be better if we didn’t make it? Would the planet and potentially other planets be better off without us? As a species we have up until now been complete failures, we have created a society that is frankly disgusting, people dying from hunger and disease while I sit in my warm house with a kitchen full of food. If we could start again id like to think we’d do better.
I ask this question obviously because we’re almost certainly at a crossroads, but it really doesn’t feel like that when you hear our politicians talking about meeting targets 20 and 30 years down the line, if we were at war we’d have the solution in months. I’m pretty pessimistic about humanity in general, but then I remember all the good that’s been done, all that’s been achieved despite the idiots that have led our countries over the centuries, it’s telling that almost every leader considered to be great is one that’s won a war.
Im not ready to throw in the towel, but I reckon it’s probably going to need a massive revolution to save us.

[Steven79]

As a species would it be better if we didn’t make it? Would the planet and potentially other planets be better off without us? As a species we have up until now been complete failures, we have created a society that is frankly disgusting, people dying from hunger and disease while I sit in my warm house with a kitchen full of food. If we could start again id like to think we’d do better.
I ask this question obviously because we’re almost certainly at a crossroads, but it really doesn’t feel like that when you hear our politicians talking about meeting targets 20 and 30 years down the line, if we were at war we’d have the solution in months. I’m pretty pessimistic about humanity in general, but then I remember all the good that’s been done, all that’s been achieved despite the idiots that have led our countries over the centuries, it’s telling that almost every leader considered to be great is one that’s won a war.
Im not ready to throw in the towel, but I reckon it’s probably going to need a massive revolution to save us.The solution is to stop voting for idiots like Johnson and Trump...

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[hibsbollah]

I thought this thread was about the Butcher era and the Hamilton 2nd leg playoff…

[Keith_M]

Jeezo, this place gets more miserable by the day.


:rolleyes:

[lord bunberry]

The solution is to stop voting for idiots like Johnson and Trump...

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I don’t think it’s as easy as that. The climate change summit is happening right now in Glasgow and we have all the fossil fuel companies there lobbying for concessions. If we voted for someone else I don’t think that would change. Our government has the means today to make this country carbon neutral, we could put solar panels on every house, that would create an energy surplus that we could sell. We won’t do that though, we will continue with replacing trident and HS2.

[Steven79]

I don’t think it’s as easy as that. The climate change summit is happening right now in Glasgow and we have all the fossil fuel companies there lobbying for concessions. If we voted for someone else I don’t think that would change. Our government has the means today to make this country carbon neutral, we could put solar panels on every house, that would create an energy surplus that we could sell. We won’t do that though, we will continue with replacing trident and HS2.Scotland didn't vote for trident but England parks in close to our biggest city.

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[lord bunberry]

Jeezo, this place gets more miserable by the day.


:rolleyes:
That’s the wrong way to look at it. Staring reality in the face and trying to find a better way for future generations isn’t a miserable outlook.

[Dalianwanda]

As a species would it be better if we didn’t make it? Would the planet and potentially other planets be better off without us? As a species we have up until now been complete failures, we have created a society that is frankly disgusting, people dying from hunger and disease while I sit in my warm house with a kitchen full of food. If we could start again id like to think we’d do better.
I ask this question obviously because we’re almost certainly at a crossroads, but it really doesn’t feel like that when you hear our politicians talking about meeting targets 20 and 30 years down the line, if we were at war we’d have the solution in months. I’m pretty pessimistic about humanity in general, but then I remember all the good that’s been done, all that’s been achieved despite the idiots that have led our countries over the centuries, it’s telling that almost every leader considered to be great is one that’s won a war.
Im not ready to throw in the towel, but I reckon it’s probably going to need a massive revolution to save us.

Better for who? Life will go on long after we have served our time, after the planet has run its course & the universe has done its thing. As individuals all we can do is prioritise love and peace above all else. Then we are what we seek. Job done.

[lord bunberry]

Scotland didn't vote for trident but England parks in close to our biggest city.

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Yes that’s true and no one wants independence more than me, but that won’t solve the problem. We live in a society where respect is achieved by how much money or weapons you’ve got. Countries won’t make the necessary changes needed to tackle the current emergency, because they’d rather spend it on arms. If the collective defence budgets were spent on making the world a better place we’d all be living in a paradise right now. How ****ed up is it that a select few have billions of pounds that they will never ever be able to spend, while children in Yemen hide under beds starving? Why are we so accepting of this? There’s no chance that we’ll solve the climate crisis under the current model because under the current model only the wealthy countries will survive. It all depends on wether we’re happy with that.

[lord bunberry]

Better for who? Life will go on long after we have served our time, after the planet has run its course & the universe has done its thing. As individuals all we can do is prioritise love and peace above all else. Then we are what we seek. Job done.
You’re echoing my point my friend. I want us all to prioritise love and peace and also scientific research. I want us to learn from the past and not repeat the same mistakes again. I look around and see good people both in my friends and family and on places like this. The majority of us are opposed to the direction our country and indeed the world is moving in. Why are we the ones complaining on a football message board while the lunatics are running the asylum?

[Stairway 2 7]

Better for who? Life will go on long after we have served our time, after the planet has run its course & the universe has done its thing. As individuals all we can do is prioritise love and peace above all else. Then we are what we seek. Job done.

By that time we'll all be jumping about another planet, we'll no us were but a speck

[Glory Lurker]

It's a pretty small percentage of the human population over the years that has made the decisions that have led to us being here. It's maybe unfair that we all pay for that. However, if it wasn't those individuals there would have been eager replacements, and so on, and the bulk of us have at the very least passively enjoyed the "benefits" the decision makers have secured us. So, yes, we deserve everything that's coming to us as things stand.

[heretoday]

I thought this thread was about the Butcher era and the Hamilton 2nd leg playoff…

Just as I thought I was over it and finally rebuilding my life.

[hibsbollah]

Just as I thought I was over it and finally rebuilding my life.

‘Just when I thought I was out…They pull me back in’ :grr:

[Dalianwanda]

You’re echoing my point my friend. I want us all to prioritise love and peace and also scientific research. I want us to learn from the past and not repeat the same mistakes again. I look around and see good people both in my friends and family and on places like this. The majority of us are opposed to the direction our country and indeed the world is moving in. Why are we the ones complaining on a football message board while the lunatics are running the asylum?

To me it all comes back to root cause....And the root cause of what ****s us up is we seeing ourselves as separate from the outside world, we create a mind made ever changing self then try all we can to make that version of us feel better. As we believe ourselves to be separate to the outside world we believe we need to look there for answers. To try & fix change or improve things to get that feeling of things are enough/right good enough. So first things first before we go into that world we need to understand what we are and what were not. We are not the thought of ourselves because how we see ourselves is always changing. Its exploring what is left when the thought has gone. What is it that knows you are having a thought. Noticing the noticing thats there before during and after every experience you have, realising we have never experienced anything outside of that. Noticing that that is already allowing everything & because it's already allowing its very essence is peace. Its then alligning ourselves to that permanent peace in which we are and then going back into the world and prioritising living from that space. Knowing that that knowing can never be harmed, broken or diminished. Living from a place of freedom no matter what craps going on. It starts and ends with us.

[Keith_M]

That’s the wrong way to look at it. Staring reality in the face and trying to find a better way for future generations isn’t a miserable outlook.


I was meaning the sheer number of miserable threads on here at the moment


The words of that wise old sage, Jack Jarvis, springs to mind...

"Ah love comin' here, it's a rare laugh!"

[Crunchie]

The solution is to stop voting for idiots like Johnson and Trump...

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And that will save the human race right enough :faf: the damage was done a long long time ago and is irreversible. IMO not only will we not survive as a species but nor will 99.9% of every other species.

[hibsbollah]

And that will save the human race right enough :faf: the damage was done a long long time ago and is irreversible. IMO not only will we not survive as a species but nor will 99.9% of every other species.

If youre talking about climate change, you're 100% wrong that the damage was done 'a long long time ago'. Co2 emissions are 150 times what they were in 1850, when we were in the middle of the industrial revolution, and are greater now than at any time in history.

https://www.wri.org/insights/history-carbon-dioxide-emissions

What do you mean 'we will not survive as a species'? All things are finite, so yeah, at some point all species will probably die out. When exactly do you think we will die out? And what is the 0.1% that will survive? squirrel?

[makaveli1875]

If youre talking about climate change, you're 100% wrong that the damage was done 'a long long time ago'. Co2 emissions are 150 times what they were in 1850, when we were in the middle of the industrial revolution, and are greater now than at any time in history.

https://www.wri.org/insights/history-carbon-dioxide-emissions

What do you mean 'we will not survive as a species'? All things are finite, so yeah, at some point all species will probably die out. When exactly do you think we will die out? And what is the 0.1% that will survive? squirrel?

Crabs have survived a few mass extinctions , my moneys on them and the seagulls

[Ozyhibby]

We will almost certainly survive this climate change, there will just be a lot less of us. And the good thing is, we actually know how to reverse it if the notion takes us.


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[Ozyhibby]

Crabs have survived a few mass extinctions , my moneys on them and the seagulls

And Sevco.


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[hibsbollah]

Crabs have survived a few mass extinctions , my moneys on them and the seagulls

Deffo seagulls. Also hipster coffee shops.

[danhibees1875]

And Sevco.


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The The The rangers, a team full of crabs playing in a one-team league infront of a sell out crowd of 200,000 seagulls skwaking "56, caww, we are the seagulls!".

[lord bunberry]

To me it all comes back to root cause....And the root cause of what ****s us up is we seeing ourselves as separate from the outside world, we create a mind made ever changing self then try all we can to make that version of us feel better. As we believe ourselves to be separate to the outside world we believe we need to look there for answers. To try & fix change or improve things to get that feeling of things are enough/right good enough. So first things first before we go into that world we need to understand what we are and what were not. We are not the thought of ourselves because how we see ourselves is always changing. Its exploring what is left when the thought has gone. What is it that knows you are having a thought. Noticing the noticing thats there before during and after every experience you have, realising we have never experienced anything outside of that. Noticing that that is already allowing everything & because it's already allowing its very essence is peace. Its then alligning ourselves to that permanent peace in which we are and then going back into the world and prioritising living from that space. Knowing that that knowing can never be harmed, broken or diminished. Living from a place of freedom no matter what craps going on. It starts and ends with us.
I really appreciate your response, but I can’t lie buddy, I don’t really understand it as a whole. Parts of it I find pretty relevant to me and this thread, but I’m not in the right place to understand it all.

[lord bunberry]

We will almost certainly survive this climate change, there will just be a lot less of us. And the good thing is, we actually know how to reverse it if the notion takes us.


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The problem is that the people that will survive will be the people that led us down the path. We need world wide revolution. I know you’re a confirmed capitalist, but capitalism won’t fix this problem for people like us.

[Dalianwanda]

I really appreciate your response, but I can’t lie buddy, I don’t really understand it as a whole. Parts of it I find pretty relevant to me and this thread, but I’m not in the right place to understand it all.

Your not the only one :-) I had taken the thread at the level of with all the **** ups the human race have done do we deserve to survive. My view is the only way we can thrive is to align ourselves not to limited thoughts (we have us believe we lack something and desire something else to feel better (is there anything we don’t do to feel better) but to the constant awareness of them (which allows everything and seeks nothing)..Realising that everything you experience appears within awareness made of awareness..our whole world exists within that made of it (hence all one)..we align ourselves to that ever present peace and act from there the world would be a better place. Less fear, less anger less frustration. More freedom, creativity, connection, contentment……but it’s maybe for another separate thread ;-)

[hibsbollah]

Your not the only one :-) I had taken the thread at the level of with all the **** ups the human race have done do we deserve to survive. My view is the only way we can thrive is to align ourselves not to limited thoughts (we have us believe we lack something and desire something else to feel better (is there anything we don’t do to feel better) but to the constant awareness of them (which allows everything and seeks nothing)..Realising that everything you experience appears within awareness made of awareness..our whole world exists within that made of it (hence all one)..we align ourselves to that ever present peace and act from there the world would be a better place. Less fear, less anger less frustration. More freedom, creativity, connection, contentment……but it’s maybe for another separate thread ;-)

Someone’s either gone heavy on the mindfulness app or has found some interesting fungi while out foraging out at Bonaly :agree:

[CropleyWasGod]

The problem is that the people that will survive will be the people that led us down the path. We need world wide revolution. I know you’re a confirmed capitalist, but capitalism won’t fix this problem for people like us.

I think capitalism has a big part to play. As the market starts to understand that there is money to be made from what we need to survive, it will do its bit.

[Ozyhibby]

I think capitalism has a big part to play. As the market starts to understand that there is money to be made from what we need to survive, it will do its bit.

Yip. As far as I can see, there are no big breakthroughs in renewable energy technology coming out of North Korea anytime soon.


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[Keith_M]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYkACVDFmeg

[Dalianwanda]

Someone’s either gone heavy on the mindfulness app or has found some interesting fungi while out foraging out at Bonaly :agree:

It’s ma job :-) and spending the last 15 years what is sending us down the wrong route in self development..it seems woo woo but if you can find anything that isn’t true in what i say let me know