David Fuller

[lord bunberry]

Absolutely shocking to see what this guy was up to. Enough to turn your stomach
https://news.sky.com/story/david-fuller-admits-killing-two-women-in-1987-12459818

[Stairway 2 7]

Absolutely shocking to see what this guy was up to. Enough to turn your stomach
https://news.sky.com/story/david-fuller-admits-killing-two-women-in-1987-12459818

Utterly horrendous

[Sir David Gray]

That's one of the most depraved things I've ever read about.

What a truly wicked individual - another one who I wouldn't be sorry to see being executed.

Utter filth.

[1 8 7 5]

That's one of the most depraved things I've ever read about.

What a truly wicked individual - another one who I wouldn't be sorry to see being executed.

Utter filth.

Yeah... lets add to the 2 murders with a state murder. Thats the way.

[Stairway 2 7]

Yeah... lets add to the 2 murders with a state murder. Thats the way.

I doubt you'd say the same if it was your 9 year old he'd raped after her early death. I'm obviously apposed to capital punishment, but can understand sdg after reading such an evil report.

Death would be to quick for him, I hope he has a long tortuous life.

[1 8 7 5]

I doubt you'd say the same if it was your 9 year old he'd raped after her early death. I'm obviously apposed to capital punishment, but can understand sdg after reading such an evil report.

Death would be to quick for him, I hope he has a long tortuous life.

Yes, your right, I think that state murder is an abhorrence, unless it involves me or my family directly. :aok:

I would say exactly the same thing stairway27, I am obviously opposed to capital punishment and dont understand sdg after reading such an evil report.

[Hibbyradge]

I'm opposed to capital punishment, I just don't think countries should kill their own citizens, but if it was legal in the UK, there wouldn't be many people campaigning to spare David Fuller's life.

There's not much point in arguing with SDG or the millions of other people who will feel the same. It's a perfectly understandable reaction to an horrific, depraved crime.

I've been trying to think how I would feel if something like that had happened to my mum after she died, but I've had to push those thoughts away because it's too upsetting.

[lord bunberry]

I couldn’t stop thinking about it after watching the news last night. The police reckon that they’ll never know the full extent of his crimes. I don’t agree with capital punishment, but I definitely think that certain people deserve harsher treatment than just a normal prison life. Im sure other countries have special prisons for the worst offenders, and they’re pretty much kept locked in a cell 24/7.

[Sir David Gray]

Yeah... lets add to the 2 murders with a state murder. Thats the way.

Absolutely agree. :agree:

[Sir David Gray]

I doubt you'd say the same if it was your 9 year old he'd raped after her early death. I'm obviously apposed to capital punishment, but can understand sdg after reading such an evil report.

Death would be to quick for him, I hope he has a long tortuous life.

:agree: I'm actually opposed to capital punishment in principle and if there was a referendum held tomorrow I'd probably vote against it but only because I'm not convinced that an innocent person would never be put to death and I find that unacceptable.

However I do think we should have the option to use it in cases like this where the crimes are so heinous and the person's guilt is beyond all reasonable doubt.

Someone like that will (hopefully) never be released from prison so I'm not sure what purpose it serves to keep them in prison for the rest of their life.

Also if we're assuming that our preferred method of execution would be lethal injection, it's also a far more humane way of ending someone's life compared with the horrific way that murder victims suffer at the end of their lives.

The offender would be afforded much more dignity and compassion at the end of their life than they gave to their victim(s).

[CropleyWasGod]

:agree: I'm actually opposed to capital punishment in principle and if there was a referendum held tomorrow I'd probably vote against it but only because I'm not convinced that an innocent person would never be put to death and I find that unacceptable.

However I do think we should have the option to use it in cases like this where the crimes are so heinous and the person's guilt is beyond all reasonable doubt.

Someone like that will never be released from prison so I'm not sure what purpose it serves to keep them in prison for the rest of their life.

Also if we're assuming that our preferred method of execution would be lethal injection, it's also a far more humane way of ending someone's life compared with the horrific way that murder victims suffer at the end of their lives.

The offender would be afforded much more dignity and compassion at the end of their life than they gave to their victim(s).

For me, the answer to that is to allow us to investigate why some people act the way they do. As medical science improves, we have a greater ability to examine those whose behaviours are out of line with accepted norms. If we just get rid of them, we lose that opportunity.

Once we understand, we can take whatever steps we need to, to minimise the risk of similar things happening.

It's a bit like forensic evidence. As an example, the World's End murders weren't solved at the time they were committed, because we didn't have the technology. But the physical evidence was kept, "just in case". Ultimately, as forensic science improved, that physical evidence became vital. Had it been destroyed, no convictions would ever have been achieved.

[1 8 7 5]

:agree: I'm actually opposed to capital punishment in principle and if there was a referendum held tomorrow I'd probably vote against it but only because I'm not convinced that an innocent person would never be put to death and I find that unacceptable.

However I do think we should have the option to use it in cases like this where the crimes are so heinous and the person's guilt is beyond all reasonable doubt.

Someone like that will (hopefully) never be released from prison so I'm not sure what purpose it serves to keep them in prison for the rest of their life.

Also if we're assuming that our preferred method of execution would be lethal injection, it's also a far more humane way of ending someone's life compared with the horrific way that murder victims suffer at the end of their lives.

The offender would be afforded much more dignity and compassion at the end of their life than they gave to their victim(s).

You should have just finished your post after your 1st paragraph. Anyhoo, not here to argue as your a wee bit flip/floppy on the thread., I will take your stance that you are against state murder, which I am too. Tea and cucumber sandwhiches all round.

[Sir David Gray]

You should have just finished your post after your 1st paragraph. Anyhoo, not here to argue as your a wee bit flip/floppy on the thread., I will take your stance that you are against state murder, which I am too. Tea and cucumber sandwhiches all round.

Why would I have finished after my first paragraph when I had more to say on the matter?

I don't believe I'm flip floppy on the thread in the slightest - if someone could put a guarantee in place that capital punishment would only be used against the likes of David Fuller or Wayne Couzens, where the crimes committed were so heinous and the guilt beyond all reasonable doubt then I'd vote for its reintroduction tomorrow.

Since I have my doubts that it would be applied in such a way then I'd err on the side of caution and vote against it as I cannot agree with a system which may end up with innocent people losing their lives.

I think my stance is quite clear, you're of course free to disagree with that stance.

[Smartie]

Why would I have finished after my first paragraph when I had more to say on the matter?

I don't believe I'm flip floppy on the thread in the slightest - if someone could put a guarantee in place that capital punishment would only be used against the likes of David Fuller or Wayne Couzens, where the crimes committed were so heinous and the guilt beyond all reasonable doubt then I'd vote for its reintroduction tomorrow.

Since I have my doubts that it would be applied in such a way then I'd err on the side of caution and vote against it as I cannot agree with a system which may end up with innocent people losing their lives.

I think my stance is quite clear, you're of course free to disagree with that stance.

Do you think that the death penalty is necessarily a worse punishment and greater deterrent than a life sentence in prison?

Quite a lot of the most serious offenders commit suicide in prison, or at least attempt it.

Every possible outcome following somebody committing and subsequently being found guilty of the most horrific crimes will have a cost of some sort to society.

I’m quite comfortable with the idea that some of the tax I pay is used to keep the worst of these people stewing over their actions for a lifetime, hopefully living with the fear of being attacked by other prisoners for the severity of their crimes.

Is a quick, wee, humane lethal injection not what most of them would want to escape from their own personal hell?

Or am I just being sadistic again?

[Sir David Gray]

Do you think that the death penalty is necessarily a worse punishment and greater deterrent than a life sentence in prison?

Quite a lot of the most serious offenders commit suicide in prison, or at least attempt it.

Every possible outcome following somebody committing and subsequently being found guilty of the most horrific crimes will have a cost of some sort to society.

I’m quite comfortable with the idea that some of the tax I pay is used to keep the worst of these people stewing over their actions for a lifetime, hopefully living with the fear of being attacked by other prisoners for the severity of their crimes.

Is a quick, wee, humane lethal injection not what most of them would want to escape from their own personal hell?

Or am I just being sadistic again?

I'm not so sure about that to be honest as I hear quite a lot of cases from the USA where the defendant in a murder trial does a plea bargain with prosecutors and pleads guilty on the condition that capital punishment is taken off the table and they are instead sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.

I believe American prisons are generally a whole lot worse than ours as well.

[Dmas]

They where speaking about this on Jeremy vines radio 2 show this afternoon, unbelievable really listening to the mother of one of the rape victims speak was very difficult as well as the people who had suffered a loss during his time working at the hospital who will never know that they’re loved ones where abused or not

A terrible crime and a horrible human being

[Sir David Gray]

They where speaking about this on Jeremy vines radio 2 show this afternoon, unbelievable really listening to the mother of one of the rape victims speak was very difficult as well as the people who had suffered a loss during his time working at the hospital who will never know that they’re loved ones where abused or not

A terrible crime and a horrible human being

Yep absolutely despicable and must be so distressing for the families involved.