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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/gmbglasgowcc/status/1455111507637854210?s=21

What is going on here? This union accepted a smaller pay offer in Sheffield for it members than it’s currently rejecting in Scotland? They won’t ballot their members to see if they accept the offer?
Is it part of a unionist element within GMB trying to undermine the SNP?


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[Stick]

They apparently agreed the settlement but changed their minds and are now going on strike whilst they consult their members. Surely the proper way is to stay at work whilst they consult.
May just be me being cynical but it’s a coincidence that Karen Richard the GMB organiser for Scotland is the wife of Richard Leonard. Labour will do anything to discredit, Glasgow council, the Scottish Government, and in effect Glasgow and Scotland in the eyes of the world.
Or am I wrong?

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Quite clearly an effort to undermine the SNP council/government.
Whether its being done independently or as part of a co-ordinated unionist campaign is there to be found out.

[Ozyhibby]

GMB will need to be careful they don’t start losing members on the scale of the Scottish Labour Party if they want to go down this route.


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[ronaldo7]

According to their own union officials, they said on Friday that they'd be going into a two week consultation with their members from today, then on Sunday after several meetings, they're rejecting the deal, and going on strike. It seems that it's only Glasgow that's on strike, however it's a settlement through cosla, which is national. Something more than the bins that stinks here.

[JimBHibees]

According to their own union officials, they said on Friday that they'd be going into a two week consultation with their members from today, then on Sunday after several meetings, they're rejecting the deal, and going on strike. It seems that it's only Glasgow that's on strike, however it's a settlement through cosla, which is national. Something more than the bins that stinks here.

Seems like something stinks in regard to this.

[Paul1642]

I think people are being a little paranoid believing that this is an anti SNP conspiracy. The GMB see an opportunity to hold the Scottish Gov hostage and are wanting to milk it for the most that they can. I got the impression that the offer on the table was a good one and if they are goofing to strike anyway then I hope it gets withdrawn and they can go back to square one.

[degenerated]

I think people are being a little paranoid believing that this is an anti SNP conspiracy. The GMB see an opportunity to hold the Scottish Gov hostage and are wanting to milk it for the most that they can. I got the impression that the offer on the table was a good one and if they are goofing to strike anyway then I hope it gets withdrawn and they can go back to square one.They have rejected a 5.8% increase for workers in Glasgow but accepted a 3% one in Sheffield. They have taken their members out on strike prior to.consulting them and they've spent the past week staging cringe inducing photo shoots with inflatable rats.
This is purely political and Scottish Labour are behind it, I have absolutely no doubt of that.

[wookie70]

They have rejected a 5.8% increase for workers in Glasgow but accepted a 3% one in Sheffield. They have taken their members out on strike prior to.consulting them and they've spent the past week staging cringe inducing photo shoots with inflatable rats.
This is purely political and Scottish Labour are behind it, I have absolutely no doubt of that.

Perhaps they went back to their members in Glasgow and they were told that the offer was unacceptable and we have a perfect opportunity to force a better offer.

[degenerated]

Perhaps they went back to their members in Glasgow and they were told that the offer was unacceptable and we have a perfect opportunity to force a better offer.They said they hadn't consulted them yet

[Santa Cruz]

They have rejected a 5.8% increase for workers in Glasgow but accepted a 3% one in Sheffield. They have taken their members out on strike prior to.consulting them and they've spent the past week staging cringe inducing photo shoots with inflatable rats.
This is purely political and Scottish Labour are behind it, I have absolutely no doubt of that.

That's a one year deal.

The 3% for Sheffield workers is a 2 year deal = 6%. Not much difference really but it's not correct to make out Sheffield workers settled for less when that's not the case.

From what I've read the GMB union in Glasgow want time to consult their members on the pay offer. That's the issue as far as I understand, not that they're rejecting it.

[Ozyhibby]

That's a one year deal.

The 3% for Sheffield workers is a 2 year deal = 6%. Not much difference really but it's not correct to make out Sheffield workers settled for less when that's not the case.

From what I've read the GMB union in Glasgow want time to consult their members on the pay offer. That's the issue as far as I understand, not that they're rejecting it.

5.8% right now is better than 6% spread over two years.
They have been given time to consult their members? They have two weeks which they agreed to but have now decided to strike now anyway without consulting their members.


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[JimBHibees]

5.8% right now is better than 6% spread over two years.
They have been given time to consult their members? They have two weeks which they agreed to but have now decided to strike now anyway without consulting their members.


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The issue is striking prior to consulting with members which does seem an unusual approach imo.

[Santa Cruz]

5.8% right now is better than 6% spread over two years.
They have been given time to consult their members? They have two weeks which they agreed to but have now decided to strike now anyway without consulting their members.


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My mistake, this quote from the SG Minister earlier today must be incorrect.

Scottish minister Michael Matheson, speaking to BBC Radio Scotland on Monday, said: "The GMB locally have entered into a dispute now with GCC which I understand is not to do with the actual package itself but it's the process around being able to engage with their members and discuss that with them.


"I understand that discussions were taking place last night and the Scottish government would want to continue to encourage Cosla, GCC and the GMB to continue to discuss this issue and to try and find a quick resolution to what I believe is a process issue rather than an issue around the deal that was proposed."

[ronaldo7]

I think people are being a little paranoid believing that this is an anti SNP conspiracy. The GMB see an opportunity to hold the Scottish Gov hostage and are wanting to milk it for the most that they can. I got the impression that the offer on the table was a good one and if they are goofing to strike anyway then I hope it gets withdrawn and they can go back to square one.

I think most Trades unionists would follow that line. It's also been reported that...

"On Friday the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities (Cosla) proposed a pay rise of 5.9 per cent for the lowest paid staff as part of a £1,062 increase for all staff earning below £25,000.

SNP ministers agreed to stump up £30 million of the cost, with the remaining £18.5m coming from local government.

The city council last night accused the union of acting "unlawfully" by walking out as the agreement covered cleansing and refuse workers Scotland-wide.

A council spokesman said GMB Scotland had initially demanded their members have Monday and Tuesday off to discuss the offer, despite Cop26 having started in the city.

When this was rejected, the council said refuse workers could take time within their working days to discuss the offer as long as they completed their duties."

We'll probably see it run for the week.

[lord bunberry]

I mentioned this on another thread. Certain unions seem more determined to gain politically than to do what’s best for the workers they represent. When I started work as a young man I immediately joined the union, I remained a member for years, but m currently not a member of a union. When the union rep was trying to get me to sign up all she talked about was pressuring the council and the government to make concessions. I thought about it for a while but every time I saw one of their tweets it pushed me further away.

[lucky]

Some really uneducated comments on here on how unions work. The GMB took the offer away to consult there members, they started this process but unfortunately GCC would not allow their reps to meet to discuss it and as such they decide to reject the offer. The GMB have also appointed a new Scottish Secretary and the GMB involvement in the Scottish Labour Party has been minimal in recent years. In local government, workers generally have a choice of union, GMB, Unite or Unison if the striking workers were not happy with the direction that the GMB were going they’d leave and join another union. It’s also the members who voted for strike action not the officials. The saddest part of this is that the SNP controlled GCC tried to use the Tory anti trade union laws to get the strikes called off with an injunction. Why is it always the fault of the workers and their reps never the bosses? So it’s not a unionist conspiracy.

In the recent rail disputes 3 unions affiliated to the Scottish Labour Party settled their pay claims. The RMT (who supported independence) had a 7 month dispute and only settled at the last gasp before COP26. Trade unions are run totally independent based on the needs and demands of their members not their officials political beliefs

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211103/6a83cabdd4e4114c5305ec4cf7e0a456.jpg
Seems they felt they needed two days off work to consider the offer? Who needs to take time off work to consider a pay rise? Mental.


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[ronaldo7]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211103/6a83cabdd4e4114c5305ec4cf7e0a456.jpg
Seems they felt they needed two days off work to consider the offer? Who needs to take time off work to consider a pay rise? Mental.


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According to reports over the week end, they were offered time to discuss the offer. It's rather disingenuous for people to pretend Unions aren't involved in politics, as I'd expect them to be. You don't shift decision makers by standing on the side lines. More power to their elbow for me. Political levies are exactly why they need to be involved, I'd just hope they'd put things to their members before deciding on the way forward.

https://www.gmb.org.uk/network/gmb-politics

[degenerated]

According to reports over the week end, they were offered time to discuss the offer. It's rather disingenuous for people to pretend Unions aren't involved in politics, as I'd expect them to be. You don't shift decision makers by standing on the side lines. More power to their elbow for me. Political levies are exactly why they need to be involved, I'd just hope they'd put things to their members before deciding on the way forward.

https://www.gmb.org.uk/network/gmb-politicsThey were told they could take time to consider it during working hours on the proviso that all work was also carried out. That sounds fair enough to me.

[Colr]

GMB used to be quite good. Much better than that shower of shysters in Unison.

[ronaldo7]

Anybody know what the plan is going forward. They'll have had time to discuss the offer with their members. Are they continuing the strike. Anas needs to tell us. :wink:

[degenerated]

Anybody know what the plan is going forward. They'll have had time to discuss the offer with their members. Are they continuing the strike. Anas needs to tell us. :wink:I saw Anas's video of himself marching on climate protest march surrounded by GMB flags. Wonder if he realises this is the same GMB that demanded fracking be approved in Scotland?

[Ozyhibby]

I saw the GMB rep on the news last night marching with the climate change marchers. Felt quite embarrassed for him.


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[Santa Cruz]

I saw the GMB rep on the news last night marching with the climate change marchers. Felt quite embarrassed for him.


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They were invited to join the march by Greta. It was reciprocal, she backed them, they backed her....

She wrote: “Climate justice also means social justice and that we leave no one behind. So we invite everyone, especially the workers striking in Glasgow, to join us. See you there! #UprootTheSystem.”

[degenerated]

They were invited to join the march by Greta. It was reciprocal, she backed them, they backed her....

She wrote: “Climate justice also means social justice and that we leave no one behind. So we invite everyone, especially the workers striking in Glasgow, to join us. See you there! #UprootTheSystem.”

One can only assume Greta was unaware that the GMB are vociferously pro fracking and pro nuclear energy.

I'm sure the GMB reps would have been sure to tell her to avoid looking like hypocrites though.

[WhileTheChief..]

"On Friday the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities (Cosla) proposed a pay rise of 5.9 per cent for the lowest paid staff as part of a £1,062 increase for all staff earning below £25,000.



5.9% for someone earning up to £25k pa? I'd bite their hand off for that kinda rise!

Interesting that they seem to be saying up to £25k is for the lowest paid staff.

Are we saying £25k is a low salary these days???!

[Ozyhibby]

5.9% for someone earning up to £25k pa? I'd bite their hand off for that kinda rise!

Interesting that they seem to be saying up to £25k is for the lowest paid staff.

Are we saying £25k is a low salary these days???!

I don’t think this is about wages now. This is an attempt to undermine the SNP.


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[WhileTheChief..]

I don’t think this is about wages now. This is an attempt to undermine the SNP.


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Yeah I'm just surprised that anyone would deem £25k a low salary.

Maybe they're not and it's just the way it is written.

[McD]

Yeah I'm just surprised that anyone would deem £25k a low salary.

Maybe they're not and it's just the way it is written.


possibly meaning the lowest end of the scale, rather than ‘low’, if that makes sense?

[Nakedmanoncrack]

5.9% for someone earning up to £25k pa? I'd bite their hand off for that kinda rise!

Interesting that they seem to be saying up to £25k is for the lowest paid staff.

Are we saying £25k is a low salary these days???!

Yes, under 25k is towards the lower end of salaries.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Some really uneducated comments on here on how unions work. The GMB took the offer away to consult there members, they started this process but unfortunately GCC would not allow their reps to meet to discuss it and as such they decide to reject the offer. The GMB have also appointed a new Scottish Secretary and the GMB involvement in the Scottish Labour Party has been minimal in recent years. In local government, workers generally have a choice of union, GMB, Unite or Unison if the striking workers were not happy with the direction that the GMB were going they’d leave and join another union. It’s also the members who voted for strike action not the officials. The saddest part of this is that the SNP controlled GCC tried to use the Tory anti trade union laws to get the strikes called off with an injunction. Why is it always the fault of the workers and their reps never the bosses? So it’s not a unionist conspiracy.

In the recent rail disputes 3 unions affiliated to the Scottish Labour Party settled their pay claims. The RMT (who supported independence) had a 7 month dispute and only settled at the last gasp before COP26. Trade unions are run totally independent based on the needs and demands of their members not their officials political beliefs

The GMB & the other unions quite rightly used the additional leverage of Cop26 to try to get the best possible deal, that additional leverage was only there until Cop26, its gone now. The unions who settled (after taking it to the wire) presumably realised this, as would GMB, so unsurprising that there are suspicions over intentions. Of course it could just be that GMB are poor negotiators. After striking, and losing a lot of money doing so - I fully expect they will settle, provided the offer isn't withdrawn. If so it will be something of an O.G. and I doubt the workers will feel particularly triumphant. But can't really see anywhere else for them to go.

[ronaldo7]

COP26 ending and so is the threat of Strikes. Deal agreed seemingly.

https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1459160569429348352

[Ozyhibby]

COP26 ending and so is the threat of Strikes. Deal agreed seemingly.

https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1459160569429348352

Will be interesting to see if they got any more than was on offer two weeks ago?


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[Just Alf]

But, but...they said they weren't politicising COP!

[wookie70]

Looks like an improved offer from this report (https://www.insider.co.uk/news/unions-agree-pay-deal-avert-25445269). I think this thread shows how difficult Unions have it these days. Not only Tories who hate Unions but it seems lots of SNP supporters feel Unions should not be allowed to stand up for workers either. COP was a massive chance to pressure the employer and well done to the GMB for using it improve an offer. I only wish my Union had taken umpteen chances to embarrass the Government to try and force the SNP into better pay deals for Civil Servants. We appear to just take what we get and hope the Greens can help us by chipping in and making the SNP improve offers.

[Ozyhibby]

Looks like an improved offer from this report (https://www.insider.co.uk/news/unions-agree-pay-deal-avert-25445269). I think this thread shows how difficult Unions have it these days. Not only Tories who hate Unions but it seems lots of SNP supporters feel Unions should not be allowed to stand up for workers either. COP was a massive chance to pressure the employer and well done to the GMB for using it improve an offer. I only wish my Union had taken umpteen chances to embarrass the Government to try and force the SNP into better pay deals for Civil Servants. We appear to just take what we get and hope the Greens can help us by chipping in and making the SNP improve offers.

When the same union accepts lesser offers from south of the border then you can understand why people might wonder if there are ulterior motives at play. Especially when you see Ross and Sarwar using them as a way to attack the SG. It does look a bit co-ordinated.


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[Ozyhibby]

Looks like an improved offer from this report (https://www.insider.co.uk/news/unions-agree-pay-deal-avert-25445269). I think this thread shows how difficult Unions have it these days. Not only Tories who hate Unions but it seems lots of SNP supporters feel Unions should not be allowed to stand up for workers either. COP was a massive chance to pressure the employer and well done to the GMB for using it improve an offer. I only wish my Union had taken umpteen chances to embarrass the Government to try and force the SNP into better pay deals for Civil Servants. We appear to just take what we get and hope the Greens can help us by chipping in and making the SNP improve offers.

That looks like the same offer that was on the table before COP?


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[ABZHFC]

Fantastic for the workers, it has been truly embarrassing to see some SNP supporters slating industrial action these past few weeks. I support Scottish independence, but it is badly losing its radical edge, I suppose that's what 14 years in government does

[wookie70]

When the same union accepts lesser offers from south of the border then you can understand why people might wonder if there are ulterior motives at play. Especially when you see Ross and Sarwar using them as a way to attack the SG. It does look a bit co-ordinated.


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I'm reading the article I linked to againand it appears to be Unite rather than GMB. Apologies for that.

Unions taking different offers from different Governments or parts of government is nothing new. In the Civil Service we essentially have two Pay Masters for Scottish Civil Servants. Those governed from Holyrood can still fight on offers which are better than those accepted by Westminster. Individual parts of the Holyrood controlled departments also take action on pay with local employers, Museums Staff fought and won for their members a year or two back.

To me if a group of workers decide the employer is ripping the pee out of them then they will have my support. I would encourage them to strike at the most embarrassing and difficult time for the employer to make sure every penny of member's money that is lost is as impactful as possible. Most SNP voters seem to align to the left of politics from what I can see but it often seems that being pro SNP is more important than what the SNP stand for and the underlying politics and policies.

I have taken action against all colours of Government and in the case of three they have also got my vote on occasion(Labour, SNP, Scottish Greens). When I was taking action my politics were never even considered. It was all about doing the most damage to the employer to get as close to our demands as possible. You can vote for a party and still think they are a crap employer. I certainly think the SNP have been a pretty poor employer for Scottish Civil Servants. Much better than the Tories but they could have done so much better. They have also been pushed into some decisions by the Greens and the fear of embarrassment if Unions did eventually lift a finger against them.

[Smartie]

I'm reading the article I linked to againand it appears to be Unite rather than GMB. Apologies for that.

Unions taking different offers from different Governments or parts of government is nothing new. In the Civil Service we essentially have two Pay Masters for Scottish Civil Servants. Those governed from Holyrood can still fight on offers which are better than those accepted by Westminster. Individual parts of the Holyrood controlled departments also take action on pay with local employers, Museums Staff fought and won for their members a year or two back.

To me if a group of workers decide the employer is ripping the pee out of them then they will have my support. I would encourage them to strike at the most embarrassing and difficult time for the employer to make sure every penny of member's money that is lost is as impactful as possible. Most SNP voters seem to align to the left of politics from what I can see but it often seems that being pro SNP is more important than what the SNP stand for and the underlying politics and policies.

I have taken action against all colours of Government and in the case of three they have also got my vote on occasion(Labour, SNP, Scottish Greens). When I was taking action my politics were never even considered. It was all about doing the most damage to the employer to get as close to our demands as possible. You can vote for a party and still think they are a crap employer. I certainly think the SNP have been a pretty poor employer for Scottish Civil Servants. Much better than the Tories but they could have done so much better. They have also been pushed into some decisions by the Greens and the fear of embarrassment if Unions did eventually lift a finger against them.

The problem is though - with a finite budget, where do all these raises come from?

I’m sure the government would love to award raises all over the shop but there isn’t a bottomless pit of money.

If the civil servants deserve more, fine - but who do you take it off to pay it, and do you believe that comes without consequence?

[ronaldo7]

Looks like an improved offer from this report (https://www.insider.co.uk/news/unions-agree-pay-deal-avert-25445269). I think this thread shows how difficult Unions have it these days. Not only Tories who hate Unions but it seems lots of SNP supporters feel Unions should not be allowed to stand up for workers either. COP was a massive chance to pressure the employer and well done to the GMB for using it improve an offer. I only wish my Union had taken umpteen chances to embarrass the Government to try and force the SNP into better pay deals for Civil Servants. We appear to just take what we get and hope the Greens can help us by chipping in and making the SNP improve offers.

The increased offer seems to have gone from 5.9% to 5.8%:confused:

I'm all for the Union utilising all channels to improve working conditions and pay for their members. This "improved" offer is mentioning Unite Union, and not the GMB. I wonder if the GMB are holding out for more ?

EDIT: Just seen your response earlier. :aok:

[wookie70]

The problem is though - with a finite budget, where do all these raises come from?

I’m sure the government would love to award raises all over the shop but there isn’t a bottomless pit of money.

If the civil servants deserve more, fine - but who do you take it off to pay it, and do you believe that comes without consequence?

In Scotland it is difficult as we can't borrow like a sovereign nation. In the UK just print more money. We do it for wars, bankers and contagious disease why not for workers. Money isn't real as far as I am concerned and public servants, at least in the 30 odd years I have been one, are never rewarded when times are good but always hammered when there is any economic issues.

In the short term I would hope the Scottish Government would use every tax raising power they have to hammer the wealthy. I'd start with massive taxes on the big landowners, large enough to make them their lands economically unworkable and mean they may actually return to where they should be, public ownership. Second home council tax could be raised massively too and any activity or indulgence that is off harm to the environment I would hit as hard as possible. Massive taxes on private jets, huge tax increases for anyone earning more than 100K a year etc etc

[Smartie]

In Scotland it is difficult as we can't borrow like a sovereign nation. In the UK just print more money. We do it for wars, bankers and contagious disease why not for workers. Money isn't real as far as I am concerned and public servants, at least in the 30 odd years I have been one, are never rewarded when times are good but always hammered when there is any economic issues.

In the short term I would hope the Scottish Government would use every tax raising power they have to hammer the wealthy. I'd start with massive taxes on the big landowners, large enough to make them their lands economically unworkable and mean they may actually return to where they should be, public ownership. Second home council tax could be raised massively too and any activity or indulgence that is off harm to the environment I would hit as hard as possible. Massive taxes on private jets, huge tax increases for anyone earning more than 100K a year etc etc

FWIW I wouldn’t disagree with a word of this, especially the part about how so many people have seen their real terms wage eroded as it has been.

Sadly we just don’t have the money tree up here to shake the way they have it down at Westminster though, therefore I’ll sometimes find myself a wee bit more defensive of the difficulty of the government’s position.

[wookie70]

FWIW I wouldn’t disagree with a word of this, especially the part about how so many people have seen their real terms wage eroded as it has been.

Sadly we just don’t have the money tree up here to shake the way they have it down at Westminster though, therefore I’ll sometimes find myself a wee bit more defensive of the difficulty of the government’s position.

The Scottish Government can raise taxes now, albeit in a limited way. They have been very cautious with a small raise which actually hurt families that weren't that well off and they have been atrocious in reforming council tax. For me they are very comfortable with the big boy won't let me do anything defence. They should be a far better employer imo. I think they get away with loads due to how shocking Government is in Westminster. Hopefully, they can manage to get to an Independence referendum but the longer it goes the more I think Sturgeon is much happier running Scotland under Westminster than taking the chance to actually make something of the country. If she does have a referendum it wouldn't surprise me if it is right at the end of this term where she is possibly had enough of being First Minister and can't lose too much personally.

[degenerated]

The Scottish Government can raise taxes now, albeit in a limited way. They have been very cautious with a small raise which actually hurt families that weren't that well off and they have been atrocious in reforming council tax. For me they are very comfortable with the big boy won't let me do anything defence. They should be a far better employer imo. I think they get away with loads due to how shocking Government is in Westminster. Hopefully, they can manage to get to an Independence referendum but the longer it goes the more I think Sturgeon is much happier running Scotland under Westminster than taking the chance to actually make something of the country. If she does have a referendum it wouldn't surprise me if it is right at the end of this term where she is possibly had enough of being First Minister and can't lose too much personally.

The only time that they were elected on a manifesto commitment to change council tax it was voted down by the unionist parties.

[Ozyhibby]

The Scottish Government can raise taxes now, albeit in a limited way. They have been very cautious with a small raise which actually hurt families that weren't that well off and they have been atrocious in reforming council tax. For me they are very comfortable with the big boy won't let me do anything defence. They should be a far better employer imo. I think they get away with loads due to how shocking Government is in Westminster. Hopefully, they can manage to get to an Independence referendum but the longer it goes the more I think Sturgeon is much happier running Scotland under Westminster than taking the chance to actually make something of the country. If she does have a referendum it wouldn't surprise me if it is right at the end of this term where she is possibly had enough of being First Minister and can't lose too much personally.

It’s nonsense to say she is happy with the way things are. The fact is that it’s too early to go for another referendum. We need to wait until the numbers are more in our favour. The risk of losing a second referendum is too high right now. Slowly but surely the numbers keep heading in the right direction and she is right to be patient.


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[lucky]

I’m actually really surprised that anyone thinks that TUs leaders can call a strike and their members will back them to score political points. It’s ultimately the members that decide. My own union have secured better deals in Scotland for the last two years than they did in England but that was down to the fact that the Scottish Government is less likely to want a protracted dispute but the major factor this year was COP26. The unions had the Scottish Government over a barrel and delivered for its members. This was nothing to do with yes/no it was about getting a deal for trade union members.

The RMT have had several disputes with Scotrail, all settled, but not so far with Serco on the sleepers. The members rejected an increase of 1.4% and continue with their dispute. The RMT in Scotland supported independence.


Ive never attended a union meeting and heard anyone mention let’s go strike to attack the SNP or in fact any other political party. I think some SNP supporters need to understand not everyone links everything in life to independence.

[wookie70]

It’s nonsense to say she is happy with the way things are. The fact is that it’s too early to go for another referendum. We need to wait until the numbers are more in our favour. The risk of losing a second referendum is too high right now. Slowly but surely the numbers keep heading in the right direction and she is right to be patient.


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The SNP are mandated to hold a referendum immediately after Covid. What the electorate think should be of no consequence as they have already told the SNP to commit to their manifesto. In my mind the country is pretty much open with very few restrictions and none that would stop voting.

[degenerated]

The increased offer seems to have gone from 5.9% to 5.8%:confused:

I'm all for the Union utilising all channels to improve working conditions and pay for their members. This "improved" offer is mentioning Unite Union, and not the GMB. I wonder if the GMB are holding out for more ?

EDIT: Just seen your response earlier. :aok:It appears that the GMB eventually settled for the same offer as was on the table before they decided to strike. Definitely not political point scoring in slightest.

[ronaldo7]

It appears that the GMB eventually settled for the same offer as was on the table before they decided to strike. Definitely not political point scoring in slightest.

Chris Mitchell will be champing at the bit to get round the table again soon enough though. Well, the next time an opportunity arises. I wonder if the photo calls up back alleyways will be to the fore then?

Anaaaaasssssss.

[degenerated]

Chris Mitchell will be champing at the bit to get round the table again soon enough though. Well, the next time an opportunity arises. I wonder if the photo calls up back alleyways will be to the fore then?

Anaaaaasssssss.They've already said they can't rule out further strikes in the city.

[wookie70]

It appears that the GMB eventually settled for the same offer as was on the table before they decided to strike. Definitely not political point scoring in slightest.They are asking their members which is entirely normal.


"The second is around the ongoing cleansing dispute, we are asking members if the 14 commitments from the council are enough to end the dispute and if you are prepared to take further action."

[degenerated]

They are asking their members which is entirely normal.


"The second is around the ongoing cleansing dispute, we are asking members if the 14 commitments from the council are enough to end the dispute and if you are prepared to take further action."Waiting for the nod from Sarwar

[wookie70]

Waiting for the nod from Sarwar Presumably he will be round all the members houses telling them what to do as well.