James Scott been told by JR he needs to get himself Fitter

[Ronniekirk]

Seems strange he showed promise v Dundee then has done very little and now not in squad as not Fit Enough
Surely that would of been something we were working on with him given he hadn’t been playing
If it’s down to players attitude and not working hard enough or not doing extra stunts to get fitter it doesn’t reflect well on the player
Can we send him back to parent club in January or are we stuck with him till next summer


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[madhatter]

Don't criticise the players - Jack Ross said criticise him, it's his players, his selections and his tactics. Strange comment from him after saying it's on him.

Funny how the top managers are able to get the best out of players or dump them quickly.

Really makes you respect the work that Klopp and Guardiola do. Big names with big attitudes and they have had that largely under control for most of their managerial careers.

Scott doesn't look great and should be sent back in January.

[Lendo]

I mentioned it at the time, he’s got a notoriously bad attitude generally and is a lazy trainer. Apparently his attitude with the Scotland u21s is just as bad.

[Nicho87]

I’d just send him back now tbh. If he can’t even be fit when he’s meant to be. Get rid

[Ronniekirk]

I mentioned it at the time, he’s got a notoriously bad attitude generally and is a lazy trainer. Apparently his attitude with the Scotland u21s is just as bad.

Which begs the question why we took the risk in the first place when we really needed two forward I but ended up with one who isn’t even fit enough to play ffs


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[B.H.F.C]

Sums us up a bit at the moment. Struggled to get a striker in, got one who many will argue isn’t really an out and out striker, who now can’t be arsed putting the effort in to even merit a place on the bench, despite us only having one other striker available, who can’t be arsed putting any effort in either.

[Greenbeard]

Seems strange he showed promise v Dundee then has done very little and now not in squad as not Fit Enough
Surely that would of been something we were working on with him given he hadn’t been playing
If it’s down to players attitude and not working hard enough or not doing extra stunts to get fitter it doesn’t reflect well on the player
Can we send him back to parent club in January or are we stuck with him till next summer


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Agree. I thought we were on to a good thing when he showed some decent touches v Dundee esp as he was expected to be rusty, but that was TWO MONTHS AGO. Can't have expected him to be at peak fitness on arrival but a month of hard work should have had him back in decent enough shape to at least be on the bench and contributing. If he clearly needed more than a month he shouldn't have been taken on loan. Doesn't reflect well on the player but also doesn't reflect well on the fitness/coaching staff if they can't get him up to speed in two months. Unless I'm missing any injury relapses in that time.

[Hibby70]

I like the idea of him doing "extra stunts".

[Ronniekirk]

I like the idea of him doing "extra stunts".

Lol he is no Evil Kin-evil


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[JimBHibees]

Seems strange he showed promise v Dundee then has done very little and now not in squad as not Fit Enough
Surely that would of been something we were working on with him given he hadn’t been playing
If it’s down to players attitude and not working hard enough or not doing extra stunts to get fitter it doesn’t reflect well on the player
Can we send him back to parent club in January or are we stuck with him till next summer


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Where you hearing that?

[J-C]

Says a lot about the player that he's not doing enough to get fit. Pity there's not a clause in the loan deal to send him back now, hopefully be away come January.

[Ronniekirk]

Where you hearing that?

Reported on hibs news 24 /7 direct quote from jack who also said Doidge won’t be back till semi final at earliest ( that was the good news )


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[Unseen work]

I was delighted when Scott signed and thought he’d be a very good addition.

Said at the time he wasn’t a number 9 IMO and was always very good off the wing at Motherwell. Pacey, two footed, direct and skill full.

He signed and the first thing I thought when I saw him is he’s carrying a lot more weight than when I previously saw him. He looked sluggish, slower and less agile.

But how is he not fit? I get when he first signed, that should have been obvious to us straight away? But he was thrown into the team and played a lot.

2 months after being with us he’s now being branded unfit and is out of the team? Surely that’s the opposite of how it should be?

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm aware there's a clause for hull to recall him in january if they wish, but is there a clause that hibs can send him back in january if hull insist he stays the season


or does it not work like that :greengrin i know what i mean

[hibsbollah]

Can anyone remember a similar case to this where a coach is suggesting the player just can’t be arsed getting fit? Outside of a normal injury related fitness issue? Even in Gary Connors second spell when it was painfully obvious he needed to get in shape I can’t remember Mixu or whoever the manager was at the time, calling him out for it publicly…

[The Harp Awakes]

It was obvious from watching his first few games he was miles off the pace. Another example of our woeful recruitment. What's the point in signing a player on a short term loan when he's completely out of condition. Madness.

[loanheadhibby]

Send him back to Hull. An absolute embarrassment that a 21 year old professional athlete is not fit enough to be in a squad.

[Dalianwanda]

Can anyone remember a similar case to this where a coach is suggesting the player just can’t be arsed getting fit? Outside of a normal injury related fitness issue? Even in Gary Connors second spell when it was painfully obvious he needed to get in shape I can’t remember Mixu or whoever the manager was at the time, calling him out for it publicly…

Lennon with Leigh Griffiths?

[SteveHFC]

Time to get Laidlaw and O’Connor on the bench.

[hibbysam]

Which begs the question why we took the risk in the first place when we really needed two forward I but ended up with one who isn’t even fit enough to play ffs


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Sheer desperation by the recruitment team when they realised we a) weren’t selling Doig and b) needed players in swiftly as we still hadn’t signed the defender and attacker Ross wanted, but Doidge was also now out.

Hence where my complete sympathy comes from with Ross. Magennis and Murphy injuries along with Doidge and we’re at the bare bones. Suspension for Porteous along with McGinn being out left us seriously short. It really isn’t good enough.

[Inconsequential]

I like the idea of him doing "extra stunts". Cunning stunts springs to mind if you know what I mean. No? Okay I'll get me coat. :wink:

[hibsbollah]

Lennon with Leigh Griffiths?

Wasn’t that at Celtic? I was meaning at Hibs , sorry not to be clear…

[Since452]

He could share a taxi with Nathan Wood. Works out cheaper that way.

[Mikey_1875]

Inexcusable but the positives are we won’t need to see him on the park for a while. File next to Kuqi and Vine.

[Ronniekirk]

Cunning stunts springs to mind if you know what I mean. No? Okay I'll get me coat. :wink:

Caravan


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[gbhibby]

What are the sports science and conditioning guys doing. Players should have individual programmes and constant monitoring of their fitness. There may be an issue here. We seem to have more key players injured than other teams. Noticed a few players blowing out their backsides after 70 minutes into games.

[Brightside]

He could share a taxi with Nathan Wood. Works out cheaper that way.

Nothing wrong with Wood. Makes a couple of errors dropped for ever. Whilst other CBs make plenty a d that’s ok?

[Since452]

Nothing wrong with Wood. Makes a couple of errors dropped for ever. Whilst other CBs make plenty a d that’s ok?

He's no use to us. He's behind 36 year old McGregor.

[JimBHibees]

Is it helpful this sort of thing being publicised not so sure.

[J-C]

Is it helpful this sort of thing being publicised not so sure.

Maybe give the lad a bit of a wake up call, he's meant to be a professional sportsman and obviously isn't living like one.

[JimBHibees]

Maybe give the lad a bit of a wake up call, he's meant to be a professional sportsman and obviously isn't living like one.

Fair enough and it may be he has had this very conversation with him with no response hence publicising it. Don't think it helped with him being in the u21s in last international break. As that would have been an ideal time to hammer him physically. Disappointing all in especially given he would have got decent game time if at it.

[J-C]

Fair enough and it may be he has had this very conversation with him with no response hence publicising it. Don't think it helped with him being in the u21s in last international break. As that would have been an ideal time to hammer him physically. Disappointing all in especially given he would have got decent game time if at it.


Maybe another reason why he's not getting a look in at Hull and he's been sent on loan, the huge wage increase can go to these young lads heads sometimes and they think they've suddenly made it, remember Feruz from Chelsea and the billy big baws attitude he had, he's now retired from football and set up a company selling designer caps.

[JimBHibees]

Maybe another reason why he's not getting a look in at Hull and he's been sent on loan, the huge wage increase can go to these young lads heads sometimes and they think they've suddenly made it, remember Feruz from Chelsea and the billy big baws attitude he had, he's now retired from football and set up a company selling designer caps.

Absolutely possible I also got the impression the Hull managers comments at the time seemed as if they were keen to get rid by praising him so publicly.

[Callum_62]

What are the sports science and conditioning guys doing. Players should have individual programmes and constant monitoring of their fitness. There may be an issue here. We seem to have more key players injured than other teams. Noticed a few players blowing out their backsides after 70 minutes into games.I'm sure they do. Hes obviously not following it very well

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[jacomo]

I was delighted when Scott signed and thought he’d be a very good addition.

Said at the time he wasn’t a number 9 IMO and was always very good off the wing at Motherwell. Pacey, two footed, direct and skill full.

He signed and the first thing I thought when I saw him is he’s carrying a lot more weight than when I previously saw him. He looked sluggish, slower and less agile.

But how is he not fit? I get when he first signed, that should have been obvious to us straight away? But he was thrown into the team and played a lot.

2 months after being with us he’s now being branded unfit and is out of the team? Surely that’s the opposite of how it should be?


I’m starting to doubt your take on things.

Clearly, the issue here is the guy isn’t applying himself properly. Unacceptable.

[Blaster]

What are the sports science and conditioning guys doing. Players should have individual programmes and constant monitoring of their fitness. There may be an issue here. We seem to have more key players injured than other teams. Noticed a few players blowing out their backsides after 70 minutes into games.

I think there’s a few players not following their individual plans

[500miles]

I think there’s a few players not following their individual plans

I heard we had an issue few years ago with players who were training with certain personal trainers, getting regularly injured or hitting all thier body fat stats and struggling with the beep test. Apparently the glasgow based players were the worst for it.

[Since452]

I wonder about loaning players who can't get a game for a struggling English Championship side. That would suggest they'd struggle to get in Hibs side.

[Eyrie]

For me, the worrying thing is that Ross has had to say this publicly.

It's reasonable to assume that Scott has previously been told behind closed doors what is needed from him but hasn't stepped up which is not a good sign for his future.

[ahibby]

Send him back to Hull. An absolute embarrassment that a 21 year old professional athlete is not fit enough to be in a squad.

He behaves like a young player who has a good contract and thinks his best years playing and earning are ahead if him I wouldnt be so sure.

[Smartie]

I’m a bit unsure about the wisdom of Jack Ross going public with this.

Folk are understandably hacked off at Scott as a result.

It’s not beyond the realms off possibility that we might yet need to call on him, and pretty soon.

He’s definitely struggling for form and if he’s struggling with his fitness too, the last thing he needs is to have the fans on his back any more than they were before.

I say that as someone who has been critical of him pretty much as soon as I first saw him in a Hibs jersey.

[jacomo]

I’m a bit unsure about the wisdom of Jack Ross going public with this.

Folk are understandably hacked off at Scott as a result.

It’s not beyond the realms off possibility that we might yet need to call on him, and pretty soon.

He’s definitely struggling for form and if he’s struggling with his fitness too, the last thing he needs is to have the fans on his back any more than they were before.

I say that as someone who has been critical of him pretty much as soon as I first saw him in a Hibs jersey.


F*** James Scott. If he can’t be bothered to do the work, let’s call on a boy from the development team instead.

[Jones28]

I’m a bit unsure about the wisdom of Jack Ross going public with this.

Folk are understandably hacked off at Scott as a result.

It’s not beyond the realms off possibility that we might yet need to call on him, and pretty soon.

He’s definitely struggling for form and if he’s struggling with his fitness too, the last thing he needs is to have the fans on his back any more than they were before.

I say that as someone who has been critical of him pretty much as soon as I first saw him in a Hibs jersey.

If he’s getting publicly told he need to get fitter by a manager of a team he’s on loan at his desk should be cancelled. Why should we pay wages out for a loanee to get fitter before he can play for us?

[Gatecrasher]

This probably sounds a bit harsh but would it make a difference if he was fit? I haven't seen anything from him to suggest otherwise.

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

I think there’s a few players not following their individual plans

I was at the gym last Sunday and Jamie Gullan was in.

I was amazed, firstly as it was the day after a game and I’m not sure management would sanction that.

Secondly, he was doing weights that you would normally see guys doing the week before they visit Wayne Linekar at Ocean Beach. There was no recovery style exercises or anything of the sort.

Some may say it’s admirable he’s up at the gym ok a Sunday morning but not if it’s detrimental.


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[jacomo]

This probably sounds a bit harsh but would it make a difference if he was fit? I haven't seen anything from him to suggest otherwise.


He’s not giving us the chance to find out. Unacceptable.

[hibee-boys]

It really beggars belief that any professional footballer, injuries aside, isn’t in peak physical fitness at all time during a season. Appreciate there is a difference between being match fit and ready to play/contribute. The very minimum that a club/manager/supporter would expect from a player, even when they are having an off day or a simply lacking ability, is that they maintain a level of fitness that allows them to work hard for 90mins if/when called upon.

A great example of that is Lewis, there’s no doubt in my mind that he’s got the very maximum from his career based on how he’s looked after himself and kept himself fit for whenever needed. We hear too many stories of so called professionals letting themselves and their clubs down by not meeting a fairly fundamental part of their professional responsibility.

[Smartie]

F*** James Scott. If he can’t be bothered to do the work, let’s call on a boy from the development team instead.

Not disagreeing with you here, although this does sort of prove my point.

[bigwheel]

The (understandable) negative tone toward Scott makes me wonder if it was useful for Ross to share his concerns publicly….

Mind you, he may be preparing the way for sending him back in Jan

[jeffers]

The (understandable) negative tone toward Scott makes me wonder if it was useful for Ross to share his concerns publicly….

Mind you, he may be preparing the way for sending him back in Jan

Was thinking the same. If he does play again and doesn’t have a stormer he’s likely to get abuse from the stands. Deserved or not it’s hardly going to help him.

[J-C]

I was at the gym last Sunday and Jamie Gullan was in.

I was amazed, firstly as it was the day after a game and I’m not sure management would sanction that.

Secondly, he was doing weights that you would normally see guys doing the week before they visit Wayne Linekar at Ocean Beach. There was no recovery style exercises or anything of the sort.

Some may say it’s admirable he’s up at the gym ok a Sunday morning but not if it’s detrimental.


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He played 20 mins or so, he won't need much if any recovery for that.

[Greenbeard]

He played 20 mins or so, he won't need much if any recovery for that.
Agree but if it was the Sunday after Pittodrie, he started and was subbed on 61'. Not a massive stint, esp given how little game time prior to that, but if he was already in line to be starting again on the following Wed yes I'm surprised if he was doing a full-on weights session that Sunday. I can't believe he was doing that off his own bat. Must have been telt Shirley.

[J-C]

Agree but if it was the Sunday after Pittodrie, he started and was subbed on 61'. Not a massive stint, esp given how little game time prior to that, but if he was already in line to be starting again on the following Wed yes I'm surprised if he was doing a full-on weights session that Sunday. I can't believe he was doing that off his own bat. Must have been telt Shirley.

Just realised he said Sunday which as you say means he played an hour, for me the fact he's in doing extra training is s good sign.

[Unseen work]

I’m starting to doubt your take on things.

Clearly, the issue here is the guy isn’t applying himself properly. Unacceptable.

Sorry, why are you doubting my view on things?

You’re right, the issue is Scott, I don’t think that’s up for debate.

[Eyrie]

I’m a bit unsure about the wisdom of Jack Ross going public with this.

Folk are understandably hacked off at Scott as a result.

It’s not beyond the realms off possibility that we might yet need to call on him, and pretty soon.

He’s definitely struggling for form and if he’s struggling with his fitness too, the last thing he needs is to have the fans on his back any more than they were before.

I say that as someone who has been critical of him pretty much as soon as I first saw him in a Hibs jersey.


The (understandable) negative tone toward Scott makes me wonder if it was useful for Ross to share his concerns publicly….

Mind you, he may be preparing the way for sending him back in Jan

As I've already pointed out, Ross will have spoken with Scott privately before now. It's Scott's failure to get himself sort out that means he's still not ready to contribute and Ross has now had to be public about why.

[bigwheel]

As I've already pointed out, Ross will have spoken with Scott privately before now. It's Scott's failure to get himself sort out that means he's still not ready to contribute and Ross has now had to be public about why.

He didn’t have to go public though. He has chosen to. Interesting approach. Hope he gets the outcome he wants.


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[jacomo]

Sorry, why are you doubting my view on things?

You’re right, the issue is Scott, I don’t think that’s up for debate.


Your description of Porto’s booking as the definition of trying to ‘do someone’ was way off.

[Unseen work]

Your description of Porto’s booking as the definition of trying to ‘do someone’ was way off.

In your opinion.

It was a stupid tackle and to me he was trying to do him.

He comes from the ball front on in a scissoring motion. He gets the ball with his left foot and with his right he manages to come round with his right foot.

[Phil MaGlass]

How any player in this day and age cant get fit enough to play the sport he loves and earns his bread from is f,n mental. Not alot of players will have been given this opportunity in their lives to play at a higher level.
I can understand why some players may have personal issues or problems like Nisbet has had, but ffs yi need tae pull yir weight and get on wae it.
Oh and the amount of players we have taken on over the past few years that are unfit or carrying injuries and cant play for weeks/months at a time should also be worrying to the club, also f,n mental.

[Peevemor]

He didn’t have to go public though. He has chosen to. Interesting approach. Hope he gets the outcome he wants.


Sent from my iPad using TapatalkIt could have been an uncharacteristic lapse as opposed to a calculated approach.

Ross is under pressure and will obviously feel very frustrated by players being off form and/or making mistakes, his formations/tactics not working, bad luck/iffy decisions (Ibrox) and, probably the biggest problem, the threadbare pool of players that he has to choose from. A player not playing the game on the fitness front, thus reducing the options even more, must be soul destroying for JR in the current circumstances.

[neil7908]

Was thinking the same. If he does play again and doesn’t have a stormer he’s likely to get abuse from the stands. Deserved or not it’s hardly going to help him.

Yup. I'm a bit torn on this JR is under pressure and although he's the manager and I have major concerns with him, the players have really let us down recently and deserve their fair share of criticism.

But I know as an employee how I would feel to be dug out in public by my boss. It certainly wouldn't be motivating. The question is, what impact does this have on other players? Will they now be thinking the boss doesn't have their back?

This may be a one off, but when managers start going after players in public it usually doesn't end well - see Neil Lennon.

[J-C]

He didn’t have to go public though. He has chosen to. Interesting approach. Hope he gets the outcome he wants.


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Probably the fact he's not our player and if he was Ross could probably discipline him.

[gbhibby]

It could have been an uncharacteristic lapse as opposed to a calculated approach.

Ross is under pressure and will obviously feel very frustrated by players being off form and/or making mistakes, his formations/tactics not working, bad luck/iffy decisions (Ibrox) and, probably the biggest problem, the threadbare pool of players that he has to choose from. A player not playing the game on the fitness front, thus reducing the options even more, must be soul destroying for JR in the current circumstances.
May be soul destroying but he is the manager and has people who are responsible for players fitness and conditioning so do they not communicate with each other? An unfit or a player lacking fitness shows up in various tests and even without tests stands out like a sore thumb.
SJM made a comment in an interview that when he moved to Villa the training was on a different level to what he experienced at Hibs.

[Peevemor]

May be soul destroying but he is the manager and has people who are responsible for players fitness and conditioning so do they not communicate with each other? An unfit or a player lacking fitness shows up in various tests and even without tests stands out like a sore thumb.

As others have said, maybe Scott's already been told - possibly numerous times.

[gbhibby]

As others have said, maybe Scott's already been told - possibly numerous times.
So what has been done about it? He has been in the door for some time now.

[jacomo]

In your opinion.

It was a stupid tackle and to me he was trying to do him.

He comes from the ball front on in a scissoring motion. He gets the ball with his left foot and with his right he manages to come round with his right foot.


I’ve been watching football since the late 70s. I know what a player trying to do another player looks like.

You’re making a serious allegation about one of our players and I really don’t think it stands up.

[Hibee Mac]

I'm not too fussed that JR had gone public about this.

We're not here to look out for a loan player's feelings, Scott is here to play football and improve our side.

I'd feel different if he was our player and it was a Kamberi situation again, but its not so he can either get to grips and turn up or **** off back to Hull.

[Unseen work]

I’ve been watching football since the late 70s. I know what a player trying to do another player looks like.

You’re making a serious allegation about one of our players and I really don’t think it stands up.

Fine, I’ll bow to your superior knowledge since you’ve watched football since the late 70s.

He got the ball, I just think he went into it with too much aggression. He never had to go to ground let alone in the manner he did.

I’m calling it as I see it and to me that’s what it looked like. No requirement for that challenge and he went flying into it whilst Mcgregor just stood there. It looked to me like Porteous was taking his aggression and frustration out on him in that tackle by wanting to clatter him

[Peevemor]

So what has been done about it? He has been in the door for some time now.How would I know? However the club can only do so much, it's up to the players to look after themselves in their own time.

[jacomo]

Fine, I’ll bow to your superior knowledge since you’ve watched football since the late 70s.

He got the ball, I just think he went into it with too much aggression. He never had to go to ground let alone in the manner he did.

I’m calling it as I see it and to me that’s what it looked like. No requirement for that challenge and he went flying into it whilst Mcgregor just stood there. It looked to me like Porteous was taking his aggression and frustration out on him in that tackle by wanting to clatter him


You can get in a huff if you want, I just think you are wrong.

If you are going to describe a challenge as the definition of trying to do someone, their eyes will be on their opponent and they will completely ignore the ball.

We’ve got enough outside ‘experts’ trying to trash our player at the moment, disappointing to see you do the same.

This is not to deny that Porto’s challenge was both stupid and reckless. It was clearly both.

[Alfred E Newman]

Why on earth did we take a player on loan who is unfit and unlikely to be fit for a while yet? What a waste of time and money.

[eastmainsmsh]

Possibly signed with view to Nisbet going and look at Oli Shaw scoring for fun at Kilmarnock 😂

[Unseen work]

You can get in a huff if you want, I just think you are wrong.

If you are going to describe a challenge as the definition of trying to do someone, their eyes will be on their opponent and they will completely ignore the ball.

We’ve got enough outside ‘experts’ trying to trash our player at the moment, disappointing to see you do the same.

This is not to deny that Porto’s challenge was both stupid and reckless. It was clearly both.

You can think I’m wrong all you want, but don’t try and play the I know better than you because I’ve watched football since the 70s chat.

I was one of the ones sticking up for Porteous recently but I can’t stick up for that tackle.

I think you can still go in for the ball with intent of smashing the opposition player at the same time and that’s what I think he done.

[J-C]

Possibly signed with view to Nisbet going and look at Oli Shaw scoring for fun at Kilmarnock 😂

In the Championship though.

[Smartie]

I’m not going to comment his intent but it looks to me like Porto’s technique is a bit suspect.

It was probably excellent for the game 20 years ago but times have changed.

He’s going to attract attention, controversy, criticism, more cards and potentially jeopardise his chances of a good move if he can’t even go an hour or so of his comeback without lunging in.

[Fergos]

Why on earth did we take a player on loan who is unfit and unlikely to be fit for a while yet? What a waste of time and money.

Aye. Or if he was off the pace fitness wise when he came in, which would be understandable as he had been out injured, surely there should have been a plan to get him up to speed, 2 months in. No one here comes out with much credit.

GGTTH

[eastmainsmsh]

In the Championship though.

Ditto always thought Oli would come good 👍

[The Captain....]

This loan should have been cancelled by now imo.

Absolutely pointless.

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[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Hull were previously hinting at ending the loan early. Hopefully it becomes more than a hint.

[hibbysam]

He didn’t have to go public though. He has chosen to. Interesting approach. Hope he gets the outcome he wants.


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I don’t think Ross can really lose by going public. He’s not our player, we’re getting nothing out of him just now, either we carry on getting nothing and the fans will say ‘he’s no fit and can’t be arsed’ or this gives him the rocket up his arse and we get some performances. Scott can’t get any worse than we are getting from him as it stands.

[Ronniekirk]

I don’t think Ross can really lose by going public. He’s not our player, we’re getting nothing out of him just now, either we carry on getting nothing and the fans will say ‘he’s no fit and can’t be arsed’ or this gives him the rocket up his arse and we get some performances. Scott can’t get any worse than we are getting from him as it stands.

Well if he can’t be bothered to get himself fit enough to be in contention for a place on the bench in a Cup Semi Final we will know better where this will end
I recall when his was sign his parent club had a clause that allowed them to recall him at next window if he was doing well
But don’t remember reading we could send him back if he wasn’t doing well
That’s my main concern


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[lord bunberry]

So what has been done about it? He has been in the door for some time now.
We can give him programs to work on and try and work him as hard as possible, but if the player isn’t putting in 100% it won’t work. This is totally down to the player not trying hard enough.

[Phil MaGlass]

May be soul destroying but he is the manager and has people who are responsible for players fitness and conditioning so do they not communicate with each other? An unfit or a player lacking fitness shows up in various tests and even without tests stands out like a sore thumb.
SJM made a comment in an interview that when he moved to Villa the training was on a different level to what he experienced at Hibs.

What I dont get is WHY can we not get our players fitness to a different level, I thought we had the staff to do it??

[MWHIBBIES]

What I dont get is WHY can we not get our players fitness to a different level, I thought we had the staff to do it??

Staff can't stop them having pints and pies in their own time. Players need to look after their own fitness and many just slack off

[Unseen work]

What I dont get is WHY can we not get our players fitness to a different level, I thought we had the staff to do it??

For me it’s the standards the top players set.

So at the moment our best/most valuable players are Boyle, Nisbet, Porteous and Doig. None of them have played at a higher than Hibs and even the likes of Newell will be the same.

Going from us to say Aston Villa like John McGinn was the standard and responsibility the players take will be huge. Being coached by John Terrh and players that have played in the premier league will show you what you need to take to get to that level.

We don’t have any players right now that will be able to show that. We’ve got loads of good young players with potential but we need some that have maybe been at a higher level and dropped off and have the hunger to get back.

[GRA]

Ditto always thought Oli would come good 👍

Yip don't understand why we let one of the 'best young players in Europe' (according to Dempster!) Go to the Championship... did always seem to score against Celtic though.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Dire the way this one has worked out.

Contributed absolutely nothing, subbed at HT at Tynecastle, now not fit enough for the bench.

The contrast from the efforts of Doidge could not be more apparent. He's probably fitter now than Scott is - lets hope so anyway.

[jacomo]

For me it’s the standards the top players set.

So at the moment our best/most valuable players are Boyle, Nisbet, Porteous and Doig. None of them have played at a higher than Hibs and even the likes of Newell will be the same.

Going from us to say Aston Villa like John McGinn was the standard and responsibility the players take will be huge. Being coached by John Terrh and players that have played in the premier league will show you what you need to take to get to that level.

We don’t have any players right now that will be able to show that. We’ve got loads of good young players with potential but we need some that have maybe been at a higher level and dropped off and have the hunger to get back.


Poor SJM now being coached by Austin McPhee. He may have peaked.

:wink:

[J-C]

Poor SJM now being coached by Austin McPhee. He may have peaked.

:wink:

Thankfully Nanny McPhee only does the set piece coaching and will be nowhere near SJM in training.

[MWHIBBIES]

Thankfully Nanny McPhee only does the set piece coaching and will be nowhere near SJM in training.

Apart from all the set pieces he'll be coaching him on?

[Smartie]

Well, Scott has a few extra weeks now to get himself into decent shape.

[gbhibby]

For me it’s the standards the top players set.

So at the moment our best/most valuable players are Boyle, Nisbet, Porteous and Doig. None of them have played at a higher than Hibs and even the likes of Newell will be the same.

Going from us to say Aston Villa like John McGinn was the standard and responsibility the players take will be huge. Being coached by John Terrh and players that have played in the premier league will show you what you need to take to get to that level.

We don’t have any players right now that will be able to show that. We’ve got loads of good young players with potential but we need some that have maybe been at a higher level and dropped off and have the hunger to get back.
You do not need players to bring other players on
It should be done by the people at your club. Do Villa and other clubs have different text books?
Scott has been in the door long enough to get fully conditioned to play in the first team. Perhaps some people at the club need to visit other clubs to see how they do it.

[lord bunberry]

You do not need players to bring other players on
It should be done by the people at your club. Do Villa and other clubs have different text books?
Scott has been in the door long enough to get fully conditioned to play in the first team. Perhaps some people at the club need to visit other clubs to see how they do it.
Maybe the player needs to stop having a **** attitude and get his arse into gear and do what’s being asked of him. There’s no amount of coaching or advice that can overcome a bad attitude. To suggest this is a hibs problem is ridiculous, the rest of the squad are fit ffs.

[Smartie]

Maybe the player needs to stop having a **** attitude and get his arse into gear and do what’s being asked of him. There’s no amount of coaching or advice that can overcome a bad attitude. To suggest this is a hibs problem is ridiculous, the rest of the squad are fit ffs.

Are they though?

There always seems to be question marks over Scott Allan's fitness.

Does Nisbet look as fit and motivated as he might/ should?

I'm not necessarily saying Hibs are in the wrong, just that we have a couple go players with what look like ongoing issues.

I'm also still very much torn about the wisdom of Jack Ross going public with this, as well James Scott coming back from a pretty serious injury that would likely require a fair bit of rehabilitation.

He's not had a great start at Hibs and now he's going to have the support on his back big time. Just wait until he makes his next mistake in a Hibs shirt...

[lord bunberry]

Are they though?

There always seems to be question marks over Scott Allan's fitness.

Does Nisbet look as fit and motivated as he might/ should?
Scott Allan has a major health issue. Nisbet is just lazy imo.

[gbhibby]

Maybe the player needs to stop having a **** attitude and get his arse into gear and do what’s being asked of him. There’s no amount of coaching or advice that can overcome a bad attitude. To suggest this is a hibs problem is ridiculous, the rest of the squad are fit ffs.
It is Hibs problem. I don't think some of the players look as fit as they should be, I mentioned this last season. If a player is not doing it and his condition is not good you get them in the door for extra sessions and monitor him after every session. The game is easier the fitter you are.
Do think there is a good player there in James Scott

[lord bunberry]

It is Hibs problem. I don't think some of the players look as fit as they should be, I mentioned this last season. If a player is not doing it and his condition is not good you get them in the door for extra sessions and monitor him after every session. The game is easier the fitter you are.
Do think there is a good player there in James Scott
That’s not true mate, you can’t just get a player in for extra sessions, the player has to agree to come in for extra sessions. I don’t agree with it but if a player doesn’t want to get himself fit there’s very little we can do about it. If it’s one of our players we can push them as hard as we feel we need to. Loan players will either buy into it and do all they can or they’ll piss about and take the money.

[gbhibby]

That’s not true mate, you can’t just get a player in for extra sessions, the player has to agree to come in for extra sessions. I don’t agree with it but if a player doesn’t want to get himself fit there’s very little we can do about it. If it’s one of our players we can push them as hard as we feel we need to. Loan players will either buy into it and do all they can or they’ll piss about and take the money.
Paul Sturrock did it with Dundee Utd. If you are a manager of a club you decide the number of sessions players need to come in for. Have heard many managers saying after a bad performance that players will be doing double sessions. You have to be careful when players are coming back from injury though.If Scott as a loan player is not willing to do the hard work don't play him. It's his loss as it will tarnish his reputation.

[GreenPJ]

Paul Sturrock did it with Dundee Utd. If you are a manager of a club you decide the number of sessions players need to come in for. Have heard many managers saying after a bad performance that players will be doing double sessions. You have to be careful when players are coming back from injury though.If Scott as a loan player is not willing to do the hard work don't play him. It's his loss as it will tarnish his reputation.

And presumably a financial impact as well (i.e. no appearance money, goal bonus, win bonus).

[jacomo]

Paul Sturrock did it with Dundee Utd. If you are a manager of a club you decide the number of sessions players need to come in for. Have heard many managers saying after a bad performance that players will be doing double sessions. You have to be careful when players are coming back from injury though.If Scott as a loan player is not willing to do the hard work don't play him. It's his loss as it will tarnish his reputation.


The game’s changed. If James Scott can’t be bothered we just need to cut our losses asap.

[CMurdoch]

And presumably a financial impact as well (i.e. no appearance money, goal bonus, win bonus).

Would he get those extra moneys?
His wage is paid by Hull.
Hibs are basically renting his services from his parent club and paying them a fee in return.

[Since452]

The lad will end up playing for Hamilton if he doesn't buck up his ideas. A professional footballer at Hull/Hibs level being told to get fitter is unforgivable.

[number9dream]

Well, Scott has a few extra weeks now to get himself into decent shape.

Needs a Rocky montage, chopping logs up Ben Nevis...

[Phil MaGlass]

Should be in their contracts that they have to be of an acceptable level of fitness or their wages will be changed accordingly, whatever that means:greengrin

[Iggy Pope]

Paul Sturrock did it with Dundee Utd. If you are a manager of a club you decide the number of sessions players need to come in for. Have heard many managers saying after a bad performance that players will be doing double sessions. You have to be careful when players are coming back from injury though.If Scott as a loan player is not willing to do the hard work don't play him. It's his loss as it will tarnish his reputation.

Bit late to this but is Paul Sturrock the best example of a man that took care of himself? Seemed to take all his management skills out of Jim McLeans book. And then blew his top.

[gbhibby]

Bit late to this but is Paul Sturrock the best example of a man that took care of himself? Seemed to take all his management skills out of Jim McLeans book. And then blew his top.
Was using it as an example of players doing double shifts and that it is management make the decisions on how many sessions players do.
Buy they way Sturrock was regarded as a very successful manager at the clubs he managed. He was diagnosed with Parkinsons disease in his early forties. So a wee bit of research might be advisable sometimes before you post.

[theonlywayisup]

Bit late to this but is Paul Sturrock the best example of a man that took care of himself?

One of my favourite players of that era! He was a very good player and did well for Scotland and in Europe for United against some good sides.

His Scotland goals were against Portugal (in a 2-1 defeat in Lisbon, albeit we topped the WC Qualifying Group with Portugal down in 4th place), East Germany (in a 2-0 home win) and Yugoslavia (in a 6-1 home win.......6-1 against a team that is now broken up into Croatia, Serbia etc). Changed days!

[GreenPJ]

Would he get those extra moneys?
His wage is paid by Hull.
Hibs are basically renting his services from his parent club and paying them a fee in return.

I would expect Hibs to be responsible for any variable pay elements such as appearance and bonuses. Hull will pay base salary but they don't get any benefit of Hibs winning, James scoring so would not expect them to pay those elements.