Jack Ross: Formation, strategy & Tactics....

[Steve88]

Or lack thereof

JR has become a one formation man (4-2-3-1) and it does not suit hibs one bit.

We implement this formation via a counter attack strategy no matter how poor/good the opposition is. We sit back, we invite pressure. All our play goes vie our wingers. There's no more to it. There is no plan B. This seems to have crushed the mentality of the players who have become passive.

Nisbet: Clearly not a 1 up top man. No wonder people say he lacks enthusiasm
Central midfield: DH,JN + SA/KM/Goger - No creativity via them. They get the ball, recycle to our CB who play it out wide. Rinse & Repeat (under JR's direction clearly..)
Wingers: Do there job, but with 2 in the box you double the probability of a striker getting on the end of it

Under Stubbs and Lennon (until the dressing room incident) Hibs predominantly played with a 3-5-2. Very versatile formation with the wing back either being defensive in nature (DG/LS) or attacking in nature (MB/Barker); plus a compact central midfield with 2 strikers which gave us options to play through the middle with the strikers running the line for through balls. Whoever we played, we went out to dominate the opposition. We were aggressive. Confident. Resilient. Entertaining. We were the type of team that would win a game 3-2, 4-3 or even draw 5-5 last day of the season. Sure, we would concede, but we'd win..!!!

Yes, we have players missing but that's not an excuse in itself. You're a professional manager who should have the ability to overcome these issues.

Every club sitting round the poker table can see JR's card's, the only man who doesn't know this is JR himself...

[Peevemor]

Or lack thereof

JR has become a one formation man (4-2-3-1) and it does not suit hibs one bit.

We implement this formation via a counter attack strategy no matter how poor/good the opposition is. We sit back, we invite pressure. All our play goes vie our wingers. There's no more to it. There is no plan B. This seems to have crushed the mentality of the players who have become passive.

Nisbet: Clearly not a 1 up top man. No wonder people say he lacks enthusiasm
Central midfield: DH,JN + SA/KM/Goger - No creativity via them. They get the ball, recycle to our CB who play it out wide. Rinse & Repeat (under JR's direction clearly..)
Wingers: Do there job, but with 2 in the box you double the probability of a striker getting on the end of it

Under Stubbs and Lennon (until the dressing room incident) Hibs predominantly played with a 3-5-2. Very versatile formation with the wing back either being defensive in nature (DG/LS) or attacking in nature (MB/Barker); plus a compact central midfield with 2 strikers which gave us options to play through the middle with the strikers running the line for through balls. Whoever we played, we went out to dominate the opposition. We were aggressive. Confident. Resilient. Entertaining. We were the type of team that would win a game 3-2, 4-3 or even draw 5-5 last day of the season. Sure, we would concede, but we'd win..!!!

Yes, we have players missing but that's not an excuse in itself. You're a professional manager who should have the ability to overcome these issues.

Every club sitting round the poker table can see JR's card's, the only man who doesn't know this is JR himself...

:confused:

[Since452]

We were horse **** under Lennon. Couldn't address 3 wins in 16 or whatever it was. Not a good example. Stubbs also had us floundering in 3rd in the Championship behind Falkirk.

[Jones28]

We played a back three at tynecastle.

[Nicho87]

We were horse **** under Lennon. Couldn't address 3 wins in 16 or whatever it was. Not a good example. Stubbs also had us floundering in 3rd in the Championship behind Falkirk.

Stubbs got a championship team to semi final year one
Two cup finals in year two winning one
I actually think Stubbs cup runs cost him the league either playoffs or straight up in the second year

[RIP]

It’s amazing how quickly Lennon’s final season debacle keeps getting rewritten as a dressing room incident.

From the second that Lawwell tapped him up about the Celtic job that summer, he no longer wanted to be at Easter Road. The next six months before he was effectively sacked were a nightmare for Leeann and the board.

I loved Lenny and his fearless tactics. But his final season record and exit shouldn’t be glossed over so easily.

[Jones28]

It’s amazing how quickly Lennon’s final season debacle keeps getting rewritten as a dressing room incident.

From the second that Lawwell tapped him up about the Celtic job that summer, he no longer wanted to be at Easter Road. The next six months before he was effectively sacked were a nightmare for Leeann and the board.

I loved Lenny and his fearless tactics. But his final season record and exit shouldn’t be glossed over so easily.

:agree:

All that list does for me is show even our good managers have their poor traits, that is the level we are at in football. We aren't going to get a perfect manager.

Stubbs main credit for me, scottish cup aside, is the rebuild job he did. We had seven players on the books when he took over and did a phenomenal job in rebuilding that team. He failed to get us promoted however, and also lost a cup final to Ross County. Some great recruitment too, though some dross in amongst the diamonds.

Lennon came in and got us promoted: kudos to him for it, though the football was rank and it was in a league without Hearts and Rangers. The latter half of our first season back up was the most exciting period I've ever watched Hibs, it was amazing. The balls we showed to go for it on the final day of that season is something that I wish Ross would take out of Lennons book. Even, to be fair, the first few games of the following season (6 goals v Hamilton) was good, but the tail spin we went in is something that Lennon himself is responsible for. The record in the build up to him leaving is terrible. As soon as something with Celtic was on the cards he had a foot out the door IMO, and let us never forgot the 3-0 loss to Killie, the one where we were praying for the power cut to save our blushes. Recruitment wise, for the 2 premier league seasons he had we were waiting on the January window coming to improve the team after summer strategies failed.

Heckingbottom was a nice guy, got a good win at Tynecastle but over-coached, we saw the difference in the team as soon as he left and the players were allowed a bit of freedom. Signings mixed, aside from Doidge and Newall which of his are still here? Hallberg?

Ross got us what we envied about Aberdeen, a third place finish and good results against teams we should be beating. A brilliant away record too, the home record definitely needs work. Like i've said I wish he'd be a bit braver against the Old Firm, but last night I honestly thought his set up was ok, the old adage of trying to keep it tight for the first 20 minutes was blown out the water and we have Macey to thank or not letting the game get beyond us. I know "fine margins" is a trigger warning for some people on here but if Newall scores that chance at 1-0 it changes the game. If Murphy scores at 3-1 it changes the game. If Nisbet doesn't lose the ball at 2-0 it changes the game. IMO all these things are for the players to stand up and take responsibility for, the manager will shoulder his share of it but there has to be a response from the players. Th way we came out in the second half was excellent and you can call it Celtic taking their foot off the gas all you want but there was a response at half time. Delighted Campbell and Gullane got on and put a shift in. I would start the pair of them against County. Recruitment, well we hardly need to go into detail again do we? What we do know is someone lost their job.

[90274]

:agree:

All that list does for me is show even our good managers have their poor traits, that is the level we are at in football. We aren't going to get a perfect manager.

Stubbs main credit for me, scottish cup aside, is the rebuild job he did. We had seven players on the books when he took over and did a phenomenal job in rebuilding that team. He failed to get us promoted however, and also lost a cup final to Ross County. Some great recruitment too, though some dross in amongst the diamonds.

Lennon came in and got us promoted: kudos to him for it, though the football was rank and it was in a league without Hearts and Rangers. The latter half of our first season back up was the most exciting period I've ever watched Hibs, it was amazing. The balls we showed to go for it on the final day of that season is something that I wish Ross would take out of Lennons book. Even, to be fair, the first few games of the following season (6 goals v Hamilton) was good, but the tail spin we went in is something that Lennon himself is responsible for. The record in the build up to him leaving is terrible. As soon as something with Celtic was on the cards he had a foot out the door IMO, and let us never forgot the 3-0 loss to Killie, the one where we were praying for the power cut to save our blushes. Recruitment wise, for the 2 premier league seasons he had we were waiting on the January window coming to improve the team after summer strategies failed.

Heckingbottom was a nice guy, got a good win at Tynecastle but over-coached, we saw the difference in the team as soon as he left and the players were allowed a bit of freedom. Signings mixed, aside from Doidge and Newall which of his are still here? Hallberg?

Ross got us what we envied about Aberdeen, a third place finish and good results against teams we should be beating. A brilliant away record too, the home record definitely needs work. Like i've said I wish he'd be a bit braver against the Old Firm, but last night I honestly thought his set up was ok, the old adage of trying to keep it tight for the first 20 minutes was blown out the water and we have Macey to thank or not letting the game get beyond us. I know "fine margins" is a trigger warning for some people on here but if Newall scores that chance at 1-0 it changes the game. If Murphy scores at 3-1 it changes the game. If Nisbet doesn't lose the ball at 2-0 it changes the game. IMO all these things are for the players to stand up and take responsibility for, the manager will shoulder his share of it but there has to be a response from the players. Th way we came out in the second half was excellent and you can call it Celtic taking their foot off the gas all you want but there was a response at half time. Delighted Campbell and Gullane got on and put a shift in. I would start the pair of them against County. Recruitment, well we hardly need to go into detail again do we? What we do know is someone lost their job.

5 wins from 27 now in the bigger games under Jack Ross. Hearts Aberdeen Rangers Celtic and Hampden.

[Since452]

:agree:

All that list does for me is show even our good managers have their poor traits, that is the level we are at in football. We aren't going to get a perfect manager.

Stubbs main credit for me, scottish cup aside, is the rebuild job he did. We had seven players on the books when he took over and did a phenomenal job in rebuilding that team. He failed to get us promoted however, and also lost a cup final to Ross County. Some great recruitment too, though some dross in amongst the diamonds.

Lennon came in and got us promoted: kudos to him for it, though the football was rank and it was in a league without Hearts and Rangers. The latter half of our first season back up was the most exciting period I've ever watched Hibs, it was amazing. The balls we showed to go for it on the final day of that season is something that I wish Ross would take out of Lennons book. Even, to be fair, the first few games of the following season (6 goals v Hamilton) was good, but the tail spin we went in is something that Lennon himself is responsible for. The record in the build up to him leaving is terrible. As soon as something with Celtic was on the cards he had a foot out the door IMO, and let us never forgot the 3-0 loss to Killie, the one where we were praying for the power cut to save our blushes. Recruitment wise, for the 2 premier league seasons he had we were waiting on the January window coming to improve the team after summer strategies failed.

Heckingbottom was a nice guy, got a good win at Tynecastle but over-coached, we saw the difference in the team as soon as he left and the players were allowed a bit of freedom. Signings mixed, aside from Doidge and Newall which of his are still here? Hallberg?

Ross got us what we envied about Aberdeen, a third place finish and good results against teams we should be beating. A brilliant away record too, the home record definitely needs work. Like i've said I wish he'd be a bit braver against the Old Firm, but last night I honestly thought his set up was ok, the old adage of trying to keep it tight for the first 20 minutes was blown out the water and we have Macey to thank or not letting the game get beyond us. I know "fine margins" is a trigger warning for some people on here but if Newall scores that chance at 1-0 it changes the game. If Murphy scores at 3-1 it changes the game. If Nisbet doesn't lose the ball at 2-0 it changes the game. IMO all these things are for the players to stand up and take responsibility for, the manager will shoulder his share of it but there has to be a response from the players. Th way we came out in the second half was excellent and you can call it Celtic taking their foot off the gas all you want but there was a response at half time. Delighted Campbell and Gullane got on and put a shift in. I would start the pair of them against County. Recruitment, well we hardly need to go into detail again do we? What we do know is someone lost their job.

Up there with the worst Hibs performance i've ever seen if not the worst. Think he had 7 or 8 defensive players playing that night.

[Heisenberg]

JR’s style is fine by me when it’s working and we win more than we lose. These last three games have been horrendous though. Just as bad as anything we’ve seen over the past few managers. Not sure how he changes it and I’m not convinced he knows either.

Recruitment was obviously a disaster in the summer but that doesn’t explain why we are still failing to defend properly as a team and as individuals, it’s been a problem since the start of the season. The players in that first half hour looked absolutely **** scared. It took being 3-0 down for them to actually play a bit.

[The Harp Awakes]

5 wins from 27 now in the bigger games under Jack Ross. Hearts Aberdeen Rangers Celtic and Hampden.

I knew his record in those games was poor but those stats are abysmal.

[jacomo]

This is baffling rubbish.

If there’s one thing we’re not short of at the moment, it’s tactics.

You can bemoan our injuries, individual errors, set piece drills, team selections and perhaps man management and motivation, but not a lack of tactics.

Last night saw another tweak to the shape with Gogic in and Newell playing a sort of inside right position. If Joe tucked away his chance then it might even have worked.

Seems we’re now descending into ranty nonsense, where pissed off fans throw muck at the wall and hope some sticks.

Here to discuss football, not have a ‘who can shout loudest’ competition.

[Since452]

5 wins from 27 now in the bigger games under Jack Ross. Hearts Aberdeen Rangers Celtic and Hampden.

His record against Hearts and Aberdeen must be pretty even?

[Perfect Hatrick]

His record against Hearts and Aberdeen must be pretty even?

They’re closer but they still both have better records against us than we have against them.

Hearts have won 50% of the games against us. We’ve won 25% and we’ve drawn 25%. Played 4, won 1, drawn 1, lost 2.

Aberdeen have won 57% against us, we’ve won 43%. No draws. Played 7, won 3, lost 4.

[Peevemor]

They’re closer but they still both have better records against us than we have against them.

Hearts have won 50% of the games against us. We’ve won 25% and we’ve drawn 25%.

Aberdeen have won 57% against us, we’ve won 43%. No draws.

Pretty even then, especially when the difference with Hearts is 1 match.

[MWHIBBIES]

Had to stop when you said stubbs mainly played 352. Absolute nonsense. Played in a few bigger games, but Stubbs mainly played a diamond

[Magpie]

Pretty even then, especially when the difference with Hearts is 1 match.

One of the losses to Hearts was a couple of weeks before they got relegated at ER. The other was when they were in the division below us.

[Perfect Hatrick]

One of the losses to Hearts was a couple of weeks before they got relegated at ER. The other was when they were in the division below us.

:agree:

On an individual basis and on the face of it the records don’t look great but not horrendous. When you look at the fact that our record in every big game fixture shows us as worse off to varying degrees and you consider the teams that make up the record, such as a Hearts side either in the process of being relegated or actually relegated, it’s not very good at all.

[Peevemor]

One of the losses to Hearts was a couple of weeks before they got relegated at ER. The other was when they were in the division below us.

And?

[hibsbollah]

Ross is a pragmatist. He prefers avoiding risk, and that isn’t what we see from successful teams when we watch the champions league on tv. Pragmatism can keep a manager in a job when it’s grinding out results, like it was last season when we were 3rd, a rightfully celebrated achievement with gogic playing a crucial role in front of a back four, that guy who can’t kick a ball and never could il according to some geniuses on here.

But we’ve clearly been worked out by opponents and I doubt without some new ideas , maybe from the analytics guys about effective pressing, or set pieces or something, I don’t think he’s tactically astute enough to change his philosophy. (I haven’t been to ER in a while so I can’t judge 100% what I would do differently, I can only judge the atmosphere by reports on here, but it sounds like he’s now lost most of the hibs support). We’ve lost key players but that’s no excuse for the lack of chances created, inability to defend the basics and lack of effort, which is unacceptable.

I’d happily see the back of him now.

[Winston Ingram]

4231 works perfectly well if yer striker isn't a lazy *****bag

[90274]

And?

You'd think it would be as good as an opportunity to beat them we'd get in both games.

It's like he doesn't have a clue in big games, gets stage fright.

[Smartie]

4231 works perfectly well if yer striker isn't a lazy *****bag

4231 does work perfectly well but it is hugely reliant on the player in that position being up to the task.

I'd never really been that convinced by Doidge in it either (remember him toiling under Heckingbottom) but he looked superb against Ross County earlier this season. With Magennis bursting forward and the two wide players in good form it looked like we were finally cracking it.

Without Doidge and Magennis playing though, Hibs just look appalling at it and that's not a recent change. Nisbet's had enough opportunities, he's never going to cut it with us playing that way.

I hate our current players playing that way and I'd be binning it pronto. What is harder to come up with is an alternative, and I'm still not convinced that the fact we had it working quite well for one game against the team who were the poorest team in the league for the first quarter of the season makes the 4231 worth persevering with for Hibs. I've just seen us play that way too badly too often across various managerial regimes. Look at the difference under Heckingbottom and after it was axed as soon as he left.

[Perfect Hatrick]

4231 does work perfectly well but it is hugely reliant on the player in that position being up to the task.

I'd never really been that convinced by Doidge in it either (remember him toiling under Heckingbottom) but he looked superb against Ross County earlier this season. With Magennis bursting forward and the two wide players in good form it looked like we were finally cracking it.

Without Doidge and Magennis playing though, Hibs just look appalling at it and that's not a recent change. Nisbet's had enough opportunities, he's never going to cut it with us playing that way.

I hate our current players playing that way and I'd be binning it pronto. What is harder to come up with is an alternative, and I'm still not convinced that the fact we had it working quite well for one game against the team who were the poorest team in the league for the first quarter of the season makes the 4231 worth persevering with for Hibs. I've just seen us play that way too badly too often across various managerial regimes. Look at the difference under Heckingbottom and after it was axed as soon as he left.

Has to be 3-5-2 at the weekend with Campbell up top imo. Grudgingly it probably has to be with Nisbet although I’d rather never see him play for Hibs again.

McGinn, Hanlon, Porteous at the back

Boyle and Doig out wide

The midfield three are really poor imo but there’s not a lot of scope to change it. I’d consider Gogic and JDH with Murphy behind the strikers

[Tyler Durden]

We played 3-5-2 at Ibrox.

We started with 4-2-3-1 against Dundee Utd.

We started with 3-4-3 at Pittodrie.

We played 4-3-3 last night.

Can people stop talking nonsense about Ross playing the same formation every game! There are plenty of things to attack him about. The general lack of intensity, aggression, pressing being the main thing for me. But he changes tactics all the time. Open your eyes.

[J-C]

4231/433/451 or whatever way you look at it is a very good tactic as long as you have the right players in the system. In the middle you need 1 DM, 1 AM and a B2B player, up front 2 wide quick players who can play with either foot and a and a striker who puts in a shift when not in possession. We have those players to an extent and at the beginning of the season it looked good. Injuries and lack of options have been critical for us and then you start getting performances like recently. We do not do enough on the front foot and are too passive, we are just not a counter attack team. My main worry is our defensive coaching which has been poor for a while now.

[Lago]

Ross is a pragmatist. He prefers avoiding risk, and that isn’t what we see from successful teams when we watch the champions league on tv. Pragmatism can keep a manager in a job when it’s grinding out results, like it was last season when we were 3rd, a rightfully celebrated achievement with gogic playing a crucial role in front of a back four, that guy who can’t kick a ball and never could il according to some geniuses on here.

But we’ve clearly been worked out by opponents and I doubt without some new ideas , maybe from the analytics guys about effective pressing, or set pieces or something, I don’t think he’s tactically astute enough to change his philosophy. (I haven’t been to ER in a while so I can’t judge 100% what I would do differently, I can only judge the atmosphere by reports on here, but it sounds like he’s now lost most of the hibs support). We’ve lost key players but that’s no excuse for the lack of chances created, inability to defend the basics and lack of effort, which is unacceptable.

I’d happily see the back of him now.
Spot on, I really don't care too much about team ser up, 4 4 2 or 3 5 2 or some other permutations, but what I do know for a fact is that the football on display at ER is quite simply BORING.

[greenpaper55]

Spot on, I really don't care too much about team ser up, 4 4 2 or 3 5 2 or some other permutations, but what I do know for a fact is that the football on display at ER is quite simply BORING.

Spot on.

[Fergus52]

Ross is a pragmatist. He prefers avoiding risk, and that isn’t what we see from successful teams when we watch the champions league on tv. Pragmatism can keep a manager in a job when it’s grinding out results, like it was last season when we were 3rd, a rightfully celebrated achievement with gogic playing a crucial role in front of a back four, that guy who can’t kick a ball and never could il according to some geniuses on here.

But we’ve clearly been worked out by opponents and I doubt without some new ideas , maybe from the analytics guys about effective pressing, or set pieces or something, I don’t think he’s tactically astute enough to change his philosophy. (I haven’t been to ER in a while so I can’t judge 100% what I would do differently, I can only judge the atmosphere by reports on here, but it sounds like he’s now lost most of the hibs support). We’ve lost key players but that’s no excuse for the lack of chances created, inability to defend the basics and lack of effort, which is unacceptable.

I’d happily see the back of him now.

That seems quite a random dig at posters who don't rate Gogic.

He does a job but is down there with the very worst in the league in terms of how often he loses the ball through poor control or misplaced passes.

I don't see anything wrong with posters occasionally discussing his technical limitations.

[LunasBoots]

The formation has to change plain and simple, the teams he is selecting is not capable of playing the formation he continuously chooses, we where very lucky last night that Rogic got injured or the result could have been worse, how many times is Jack Ross going to get away with setting up wrong and just waiting out until half time to change it by which time games are already over, Gogic brought a real inbalance to that team last night and it was plain to see from the start and should have been hooked long before half time. The other major problem seems to be the area between central midfeild and attack with all of our play coming down the wings, with central midfeild looking invisible, we desperately miss Doidge and so does Nisbet who seems totally stuffed after hardly any time off, thought Gullan done more in 5 mins of that game than Nisbet has in 5 games. JR has a plan A which is the same as the previous games plan A's, dont think he needs sacked just yet but his coats certainly on a wobbly peg if he cannot turn this around.

[Key West]

Formation, style and tactics what does it matter when you cannot do the basics, we need some players back and those who are struggling to work their way back to a decent performance and of course some good moments would help.

[hibsbollah]

That seems quite a random dig at posters who don't rate Gogic.



You're right, thats exactly what it was :greengrin
I can find time to be petty AND make a coherent, separate point at the same time. Its a useful skill to have.
Gogic wasnt even a regular at the start of this season. He came in, had two bad games and that was enough, despite his excellent contribution last year, for multiple posters to demand he never play for Hibs again.
Actually, our problems are much, much bigger than one effective but limited, baldy CDM.

[Stuart93]

You're right, thats exactly what it was :greengrin
I can find time to be petty AND make a coherent, separate point at the same time. Its a useful skill to have.
Gogic wasnt even a regular at the start of this season. He came in, had two bad games and that was enough, despite his excellent contribution last year, for multiple posters to demand he never play for Hibs again.
Actually, our problems are much, much bigger than one effective but limited, baldy CDM.

Didn’t he play in our first league game of the season away to Motherwell and was culpable for 2 of their goals by letting the player he was supposed to be marking run off him?

Gogic has had a terrible season up to this point when he’s been called upon. I’m not sure I’ve seen a professional footballer so poor with the ball at their feet.

I’m not saying he’s our problem but he’s certainly contributing to it

[hibsbollah]

Didn’t he play in our first league game of the season away to Motherwell and was culpable for 2 of their goals by letting the player he was supposed to be marking run off him?

Gogic has had a terrible season up to this point when he’s been called upon.

Thats very possibly one of the games i was referring to. If it happened on the first weekend or shortly afterwards doesnt really alter the point i was making.

[Smartie]

Questions do need to be asked of Gogic.

For all his failings he was a very effective player for us last season in a team that won games.

For the few minutes he's spent on the pitch this season there has been a staggering number of critical mistakes leading goals and he's looked hopeless.

We could really have done with him staking some sort of claim, or stepping up and cementing his place. Instead you're left trying to figure out formations to get around having to play him.

It seems a very long time ago that we were blaming a home defeat to McInnes' Aberdeen on the fact that our main midfield destroyer had to sit that one out.

[wookie70]

We played 3-5-2 at Ibrox.

We started with 4-2-3-1 against Dundee Utd.

We started with 3-4-3 at Pittodrie.

We played 4-3-3 last night.

Can people stop talking nonsense about Ross playing the same formation every game! There are plenty of things to attack him about. The general lack of intensity, aggression, pressing being the main thing for me. But he changes tactics all the time. Open your eyes.

I actually think this is part of the problem. Playing team sports is about not only knowing what you are doing but also what your team mates strengths are and what runs they will make etc. There is definitely an issue with attitude on the park and perhaps it comes from being uncertain and trying to work things out. Change is not dealt with well by everyone, constant change can very much affect performance.

To be fair to Ross he has had to deal with a small squad and lots of injuries but playing Nisbet in a role he is clearly not suited to just doesn't make sense. Boyle has been decent up top and with Cadden able to play wide right we do have the option of getting both our main scorers up top

[J-C]

I think Ross is trying to get a tactic that suits the players instead of setting out his tactics and getting players that suit them.

[greenlex]

Some fans just haven’t a clue. I remember going to watch fitba way back in the early70s. The fitba folk got on with it and we watched. Sometimes very good. Sometimes just good. We even had mediocre meh games. Then there was poor games. There was even utter crap on show. Even the tornadoes.
The internet and social media has a lot to answer for. Folk watch the pundits and experts dissecting games and passages of play to the nth degree 24/7 on dedicated channels and at worst think they are experts or possibly at least feel they have to offer and opinion. Football manager games are also in my firing line here.
Its all very well having an opinion on tactics formations etc but folk are criticising or lauding them with little knowledge of what they actually are. We are basing our criticism of them with zero and I mean zero knowledge of what they are and what is being asked of players. We all have ideas what we should be doing but not one of us see the players every day in training or have any knowledge of injuries or fitness levels etc. I would also offer that some of us have either inflated opinions on players abilities or more the case lack of ability.
The phrase stop the world I want to get off has never been more appropriate. This place is becoming more and more mental after defeats. It’s a real shame and I find myself more often than not even entering debate.
Three weeks after a chance to go top and after a weak run of poor form and we have got to the criticising the managers voice. Mental.

[Stuart93]

Some fans just haven’t a clue. I remember going to watch fitba way back in the early70s. The fitba folk got on with it and we watched. Sometimes very good. Sometimes just good. We even had mediocre meh games. Then there was poor games. There was even utter crap on show. Even the tornadoes.
The internet and social media has a lot to answer for. Folk watch the pundits and experts dissecting games and passages of play to the nth degree 24/7 on dedicated channels and at worst think they are experts or possibly at least feel they have to offer and opinion. Football manager games are also in my firing line here.
Its all very well having an opinion on tactics formations etc but folk are criticising or lauding them with little knowledge of what they actually are. We are basing our criticism of them with zero and I mean zero knowledge of what they are and what is being asked of players. We all have ideas what we should be doing but not one of us see the players every day in training or have any knowledge of injuries or fitness levels etc. I would also offer that some of us have either inflated opinions on players abilities or more the case lack of ability.
The phrase stop the world I want to get off has never been more appropriate. This place is becoming more and more mental after defeats. It’s a real shame and I find myself more often than not even entering debate.
Three weeks after a chance to go top and after a weak run of poor form and we have got to the criticising the managers voice. Mental.

And yet you’re the most dramatic out of everyone

[greenlex]

And yet you’re the most dramatic out of everyone
Of course I am:rolleyes:

[hibsbollah]

And yet you’re the most dramatic out of everyone

A bit of a childish response. You’d do a lot better engaging with his points, some of them have a lot of merit, some less so.

[Peevemor]

Some fans just haven’t a clue. I remember going to watch fitba way back in the early70s. The fitba folk got on with it and we watched. Sometimes very good. Sometimes just good. We even had mediocre meh games. Then there was poor games. There was even utter crap on show. Even the tornadoes.
The internet and social media has a lot to answer for. Folk watch the pundits and experts dissecting games and passages of play to the nth degree 24/7 on dedicated channels and at worst think they are experts or possibly at least feel they have to offer and opinion. Football manager games are also in my firing line here.
Its all very well having an opinion on tactics formations etc but folk are criticising or lauding them with little knowledge of what they actually are. We are basing our criticism of them with zero and I mean zero knowledge of what they are and what is being asked of players. We all have ideas what we should be doing but not one of us see the players every day in training or have any knowledge of injuries or fitness levels etc. I would also offer that some of us have either inflated opinions on players abilities or more the case lack of ability.
The phrase stop the world I want to get off has never been more appropriate. This place is becoming more and more mental after defeats. It’s a real shame and I find myself more often than not even entering debate.
Three weeks after a chance to go top and after a weak run of poor form and we have got to the criticising the managers voice. Mental.Great post.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Some fans just haven’t a clue. I remember going to watch fitba way back in the early70s. The fitba folk got on with it and we watched. Sometimes very good. Sometimes just good. We even had mediocre meh games. Then there was poor games. There was even utter crap on show. Even the tornadoes.
The internet and social media has a lot to answer for. Folk watch the pundits and experts dissecting games and passages of play to the nth degree 24/7 on dedicated channels and at worst think they are experts or possibly at least feel they have to offer and opinion. Football manager games are also in my firing line here.
Its all very well having an opinion on tactics formations etc but folk are criticising or lauding them with little knowledge of what they actually are. We are basing our criticism of them with zero and I mean zero knowledge of what they are and what is being asked of players. We all have ideas what we should be doing but not one of us see the players every day in training or have any knowledge of injuries or fitness levels etc. I would also offer that some of us have either inflated opinions on players abilities or more the case lack of ability.
The phrase stop the world I want to get off has never been more appropriate. This place is becoming more and more mental after defeats. It’s a real shame and I find myself more often than not even entering debate.
Three weeks after a chance to go top and after a weak run of poor form and we have got to the criticising the managers voice. Mental.

Excellent. Totally agree.

[Key West]

Some fans just haven’t a clue. I remember going to watch fitba way back in the early70s. The fitba folk got on with it and we watched. Sometimes very good. Sometimes just good. We even had mediocre meh games. Then there was poor games. There was even utter crap on show. Even the tornadoes.
The internet and social media has a lot to answer for. Folk watch the pundits and experts dissecting games and passages of play to the nth degree 24/7 on dedicated channels and at worst think they are experts or possibly at least feel they have to offer and opinion. Football manager games are also in my firing line here.
Its all very well having an opinion on tactics formations etc but folk are criticising or lauding them with little knowledge of what they actually are. We are basing our criticism of them with zero and I mean zero knowledge of what they are and what is being asked of players. We all have ideas what we should be doing but not one of us see the players every day in training or have any knowledge of injuries or fitness levels etc. I would also offer that some of us have either inflated opinions on players abilities or more the case lack of ability.
The phrase stop the world I want to get off has never been more appropriate. This place is becoming more and more mental after defeats. It’s a real shame and I find myself more often than not even entering debate.
Three weeks after a chance to go top and after a weak run of poor form and we have got to the criticising the managers voice. Mental.

There's been some excellent and well balanced posts, this one kind of says it all.👍

[Since452]

Some fans just haven’t a clue. I remember going to watch fitba way back in the early70s. The fitba folk got on with it and we watched. Sometimes very good. Sometimes just good. We even had mediocre meh games. Then there was poor games. There was even utter crap on show. Even the tornadoes.
The internet and social media has a lot to answer for. Folk watch the pundits and experts dissecting games and passages of play to the nth degree 24/7 on dedicated channels and at worst think they are experts or possibly at least feel they have to offer and opinion. Football manager games are also in my firing line here.
Its all very well having an opinion on tactics formations etc but folk are criticising or lauding them with little knowledge of what they actually are. We are basing our criticism of them with zero and I mean zero knowledge of what they are and what is being asked of players. We all have ideas what we should be doing but not one of us see the players every day in training or have any knowledge of injuries or fitness levels etc. I would also offer that some of us have either inflated opinions on players abilities or more the case lack of ability.
The phrase stop the world I want to get off has never been more appropriate. This place is becoming more and more mental after defeats. It’s a real shame and I find myself more often than not even entering debate.
Three weeks after a chance to go top and after a weak run of poor form and we have got to the criticising the managers voice. Mental.

Totally agree. Was listening to Talksport this morning and a Spurs fan was on talking about his own club. He said that getting to the Champions League final, moving to a fancy new stadium and punching above their weight under Poch had given a lot of fans delusions of grandeur. Especially the ones on Twitter etc. They now think they should be winning every single week playing swashbuckling football and there is an over reaction to every poor result. Thought it sounded very familiar.