Nisbet

[chrisski33]

Quiet incredibly, hes been included in the Scotland squad for the Moldova & Denmark games.

On the plus side may keep his value up

[hibby rae]

Quiet incredibly, hes been included in the Scotland squad for the Moldova & Denmark games.

Hasn't done anything wrong for Scotland and Clarke likes familiarity between the players.

[mal]

Quiet incredibly, hes been included in the Scotland squad for the Moldova & Denmark games.

It would be "incredible" only if there were better options out there but Scotland is very short of half decent strikers. Shankland hasn't been setting the heather on fire in Belgium and there don't seem to be (m)any quality alternatives coming through.

[theonlywayisup]

Quiet incredibly, hes been included in the Scotland squad for the Moldova & Denmark games.

Stoke City forward Jacob Brown has been called up to the Scotland squad for the first time for the final World Cup qualifiers against Moldova and Denmark. The Yorkshireman qualifies through his mother and has impressed at Stoke this season having joined last year from Barnsley, where he came through the academy. He scored 12 times in 82 appearances for the club, and has four goals and four assists this campaign as Stoke aim to get back to the Premier League under Michael O'Neill.

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[Smartie]

Hasn't done anything wrong for Scotland and Clarke likes familiarity between the players.

Obviously club form doesn’t come into it because I think I’ve made a more positive contribution to Hibs over the past month than Nisbet has.

I support the national side and Nisbet being picked ahead of Johnny Russell is an absolute abomination.

[Coco Bryce]

Just about spat my coffee over my screen when I saw this.

He doesn't even deserve to be in the Hibs squad at the moment :rolleyes:

[90274]

Very surprised to see Nisbet in the Scotland Squad.

Surely Liam Henderson is worth a call up?

[BoomtownHibees]

Obviously club form doesn’t come into it because I think I’ve made a more positive contribution to Hibs over the past month than Nisbet has.

I support the national side and Nisbet being picked ahead of Johnny Russell is an absolute abomination.

Russell could be impacted by the fact he’s in America in terms of covid rules etc

[davhibby]

Russell could be impacted by the fact he’s in America in terms of covid rules etc

He’s not but Clarke has been using that as a convenient excuse when asked about Gauld recently so he’ll have had to keep going with it

[Brightside]

Quiet incredibly, hes been included in the Scotland squad for the Moldova & Denmark games.

Good. Thankfully managers ignore "fans"

[bigwheel]

Delighted for him - will likely do him good to train and play with that standard of squad.

[Stuart93]

Good. Thankfully managers ignore "fans"

Wait...didn’t you say the other week that JR panicked into starting Gullan because of pressure from the fans? So do they ignore fans or not?

Let’s not pretend Nisbet is deserving of his place in the Scotland squad this time. If Scotland had any other options he would’ve been dropped because his forms been terrible

[Brightside]

Wait...didn’t you say the other week that JR panicked into starting Gullan because of pressure from the fans? So do they ignore fans or not?

Let’s not pretend Nisbet is deserving of his place in the Scotland squad this time. If Scotland had any other options he would’ve been dropped because his forms been terrible

I said i hoped JR didnt bow to the pressure from fans in starting Gullan.

If Scotland do not have any other options he is deserving of his place. Thats how it works. I'd like our fans to support him through this.

[Smartie]

Good. Thankfully managers ignore "fans"

It appears they also appear to ignore "club form" though, which is less good.

[Rumble de Thump]

Nisbet has suffered domestically this season from not having any strike partner to play alongside, or to replace him when he needs a rest, gets injured or has a dip in form. He's one of Scotland's best strikers.

[A Hi-Bee]

Wow seen it all now, people on a Hibs forum saying that one of their own players should never be near a Scotland squad just now, even if he is playing crap we should still be pleased that he is being included in such squads, if for no other reason than to keep his perceived value higher than it may be.
:greengrin

[bigwheel]

It appears they also appear to ignore "club form" though, which is less good.

Maybe they feel loyalty to him, for his contribution in the campaign to date ??

[Sean1875]

Wow seen it all now, people on a Hibs forum saying that one of their own players should never be near a Scotland squad just now, even if he is playing crap we should still be pleased that he is being included in such squads, if for no other reason than to keep his perceived value higher than it may be.
:greengrin

It’s not mutually exclusive, I’m happy for him that he’s included but IMO he shouldn’t be anywhere near the Scotland squad.


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[hibby rae]

Obviously club form doesn’t come into it because I think I’ve made a more positive contribution to Hibs over the past month than Nisbet has.

I support the national side and Nisbet being picked ahead of Johnny Russell is an absolute abomination.

Didn't realise it was you who got the goal at Ibrox 😉

Joking aside, I see Nisbet come in for a lot of stick, and some of it can be warranted.

Although I don't see much acknowledgement from those criticising that he has really been given a thankless task so far this season.

He's playing on his own, when he plays better as a duo, asked to play as a target man, which isn't his style, and he isn't getting a lot of midfield support as our more attacking players in that position have also been out (especially for the past few weeks).

Best thing for him overall would be a spell not starting, cause I think he's getting worn out, but that isn't an option right now.

Always saw Johnny Russell as someone getting a game becauss there weren't better available options at the time, it wasn't because he's a great player. So I have no desire to see him back in the squad.

[Smartie]

Didn't realise it was you who got the goal at Ibrox 😉

Joking aside, I see Nisbet come in for a lot of stick, and some of it can be warranted.

Although I don't see much acknowledgement from those criticising that he has really been given a thankless task so far this season.

He's playing on his own, when he plays better as a duo, asked to play as a target man, which isn't his style, and he isn't getting a lot of midfield support as our more attacking players in that position have also been out (especially for the past few weeks).

Best thing for him overall would be a spell not starting, cause I think he's getting worn out, but that isn't an option right now.

Always saw Johnny Russell as someone getting a game becauss there weren't better available options at the time, it wasn't because he's a great player. So I have no desire to see him back in the squad.

Until the Ross County game earlier this season I wouldn't say Christian Doidge has looked a natural fit for that role. The difference between him and Nisbet has been stark though - Doidge knocks his pan in every time he takes to the field and even when it's not working for him he can be a handful. Nisbet just looks so easy to play against when he plays that role and he's not been doing himself any favours.

Johnny Russell appears to have been in a decent run of form for his club side and it comes back a bit to the form vs class thing. When it comes to strikers I like form. Whilst I accept class is permanent, I don't know if Nisbet has enough of that behind him in his career to justify his selection for Scotland being in the form he's in.

2 other things I would say - I think Hibs need to bin that formation pronto as it seems to have such a negative effect on Nisbet. I also think that if we didn't have Nisbet playing there but someone who was even semi-competent at it then I think our whole team would look immeasurably better. The weakness we currently have in that position is frightening.

Clarke likes to play a 352, which to be fair to Nisbet - he's tended to look much more comfortable in. I could actually see a partnership between an ugly and abrasive player like Dykes and Nisbet being potentially quite fruitful.

[Hiber-nation]

One or two folk on here a few weeks ago saying he is playing with an injury - I assume that's rubbish as Hibs would never let him go away with Scotland.

[Magpie]

It’s not mutually exclusive, I’m happy for him that he’s included but IMO he shouldn’t be anywhere near the Scotland squad.


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That’s my take on it too. If anything, I think no inclusion in this squad might have given him the kick up the backside he needs.

[wookie70]

One or two folk on here a few weeks ago saying he is playing with an injury - I assume that's rubbish as Hibs would never let him go away with Scotland.

I'm sure Jack Ross said that in a presser

[Hiber-nation]

I'm sure Jack Ross said that in a presser

Really? Very strange.

[Shrekko]

Really? Very strange.

It was about 4/5 weeks ago he said it. Before the last international break.

[MWHIBBIES]

One or two folk on here a few weeks ago saying he is playing with an injury - I assume that's rubbish as Hibs would never let him go away with Scotland.

Hibs cant stop him without potential action from fifa and uefa. If he wants to go, he goes.

[Hibiza]

Hasn't done anything wrong for Scotland and Clarke likes familiarity between the players.

Hasn't done anything wrong as not been involved. C'mon Kevin get involved . you can do it sur .

[Winston Ingram]

Delighted for him - will likely do him good to train and play with that standard of squad.

He’s not reached the standard of our squad yet this season.

[Winston Ingram]

Nisbet has suffered domestically this season from not having any strike partner to play alongside, or to replace him when he needs a rest, gets injured or has a dip in form. He's one of Scotland's best strikers.

Is there such a thing as an international class striker that can only perform in a front 2?🤔

[Winston Ingram]

Hasn't done anything wrong as not been involved. C'mon Kevin get involved . you can do it sur .

I would class an appalling level of performance as doing something wrong.

[hibee-boys]

The same people shocked at Nisbet being called up are probably the one’s who’d be complaining that he wasn’t….”west coast bias!!!…..if he played for the old firm!!”etc etc. Perhaps Clarke plans to play him with a strike partner as opposed to playing him as a lone target man which he clearly isn’t.

[Hibiza]

I would class an appalling level of performance as doing something wrong.

Agreed , come back Leanne ( change of tone ).

[flash]

I would class an appalling level of performance as doing something wrong.

Take a day off ffs.

[Rumble de Thump]

Is there such a thing as an international class striker that can only perform in a front 2?🤔

I don't know of any striker in the world who wouldn't benefit from having more support with them up front.

[BoomtownHibees]

Agreed , come back Leanne ( change of tone ).

To replace Nisbet?

[Winston Ingram]

I don't know of any striker in the world who wouldn't benefit from having more support with them up front.

Do you know of any other strikers that are effectively redundant without a strike partner?

If he can’t play up front on your own these days, you won’t get very far.

[Heckys Wheel]

Do you know of any other strikers that are effectively redundant without a strike partner?

If he can’t play up front on your own these days, you won’t get very far.

Did you find him in bed with your Mrs or something?

Gie it a rest man!

[Winston Ingram]

Did you find him in bed with your Mrs or something?

Gie it a rest man!


Ask a rational question, you can't answer the question and that's the best you can come up with. Top stuff.

[Brightside]

Do you know of any other strikers that are effectively redundant without a strike partner?

If he can’t play up front on your own these days, you won’t get very far.

Plenty strikers are better in 2s. Including some of the best in the world. Can we not accept that he may be struggling in our current system of play but he is still a hugely important player for us and we need to be supporting him rather than sticking the boot in.

[Winston Ingram]

Plenty strikers are better in 2s. Including some of the best in the world. Can we not accept that he may be struggling in our current system of play but he is still a hugely important player for us and we need to be supporting him rather than sticking the boot in.

Ok. Just name one.

The only ones i can think of are Cummings and MacLaren. One can't get a game for Dundee and the other is in a pub league.

On top of that, there's a difference between being better in a 2 and being completely unable to play on your own.

[Sergio sledge]

Do you know of any other strikers that are effectively redundant without a strike partner?

If he can’t play up front on your own these days, you won’t get very far.He was doing fine at the start of the season up front "on his own" IMHO, but at that point the form of the team was good and we had Magennis, Boyle and Murphy all supporting him from midfield with Magennis running beyond him and being the furthest forward player at times. Nisbet seemed to have improved his hold up play and link up play, and was free to do this knowing Magennis would be getting himself forward to support and getting into the box.

His form has dipped, no doubt about it, and he could do with a rest or a bit of competition up front to give him a kick up the backside, but I think any forward playing on his own is going to look bad when the team around his is so out of form and that he has literally no support most of the time and is expected to hold the ball up and link up play outside the box as well as get into the box to get on the end of things.

[Winston Ingram]

He was doing fine at the start of the season up front "on his own" IMHO, but at that point the form of the team was good and we had Magennis, Boyle and Murphy all supporting him from midfield with Magennis running beyond him and being the furthest forward player at times. Nisbet seemed to have improved his hold up play and link up play, and was free to do this knowing Magennis would be getting himself forward to support and getting into the box.

His form has dipped, no doubt about it, and he could do with a rest or a bit of competition up front to give him a kick up the backside, but I think any forward playing on his own is going to look bad when the team around his is so out of form and that he has literally no support most of the time and is expected to hold the ball up and link up play outside the box as well as get into the box to get on the end of things.

He wasn't doing fine at all. He had a decent game v Motherwell, ok v Killie and Livi, but poor in the rest.

[J-C]

He was doing fine at the start of the season up front "on his own" IMHO, but at that point the form of the team was good and we had Magennis, Boyle and Murphy all supporting him from midfield with Magennis running beyond him and being the furthest forward player at times. Nisbet seemed to have improved his hold up play and link up play, and was free to do this knowing Magennis would be getting himself forward to support and getting into the box.

His form has dipped, no doubt about it, and he could do with a rest or a bit of competition up front to give him a kick up the backside, but I think any forward playing on his own is going to look bad when the team around his is so out of form and that he has literally no support most of the time and is expected to hold the ball up and link up play outside the box as well as get into the box to get on the end of things.

I think the team was doing ok but Nisbet was bang average, his form has been poor since he never got his move in January

[Sergio sledge]

He wasn't doing fine at all. He had a decent game v Motherwell, ok v Killie and Livi, but poor in the rest.

Is that not fine? I thought he did fine vs Rijeka at home and against Dundee United in the cup. He wasn't setting the heather alight, but I thought his all round play at the start of the season was much improved on the season before. I'm not saying he's brilliant at it, and he certainly does play better in a front 2, but my point is that the first few games of the season he showed he can play on his own up front (although not as well as Doidge IMHO) if the rest of the team are set up to support him. He does seem to have regressed back to the 2nd half of last seasons form now though, but any forward would look poor with no support like he is getting at the minute.

[wookie70]

Do you know of any other strikers that are effectively redundant without a strike partner?

If he can’t play up front on your own these days, you won’t get very far.

Very few where all their supporting players are 30 yards away. Nisbet will do fine with decent service and some of his mates to interact with. That hasn't been the case for a good few games and particularly when Magennis is missing

[Winston Ingram]

Very few where all their supporting players are 30 yards away. Nisbet will do fine with decent service and some of his mates to interact with. That hasn't been the case for a good few games and particularly when Magennis is missing

Nisbet hasn't had that problem with the exception of a couple of games. He's had plenty service and he'd get plenty more if he didn't just stand still. He'd also have plenty more opportunities if he had a first touch.

He's been just as poor with Boyle, Magennis, Murphy and Allan in the team.

[easty]

Nisbet hasn't had that problem with the exception of a couple of games. He's had plenty service and he'd get plenty more if he didn't just stand still. He'd also have plenty more opportunities if he had a first touch.

He's been just as poor with Boyle, Magennis, Murphy and Allan in the team.

Has he **** had plenty of service. He’s getting no service at all.

[easty]

Very few where all their supporting players are 30 yards away. Nisbet will do fine with decent service and some of his mates to interact with. That hasn't been the case for a good few games and particularly when Magennis is missing

Exactly, couldn’t agree more.

[Smartie]

Has he **** had plenty of service. He’s getting no service at all.

He's getting service, just not very much of the type that he's capable of doing much with.

Nisbet has a tidy finish on him at times so if we're getting him on the ball, in space, and with time to get a shot away then he can do quite well. He's been getting none of that sort of service lately though.

There has been plenty of other stuff he's done nothing with. Play often breaks down when it gets to him as he struggles at times to retain possession, making it more difficult for us to create the sort of chance he thrives off.

And there have been countless "ball across the box" type of chances that he's just been nowhere near for various reasons. There was a high, floaty cross from Doig in the Celtic game that he didn't even bother jumping for. I don't mind betting that Doidge would have knocked defenders, ball and everything in his path at getting on the end of it if he'd been playing.

There have been many more that he's failed to get in front of his man for and the ball flashes away without it even registering as a chance. These are the types of chance that Ally McCoist made a career out of getting onto the end of.

Getting on the end of scraps and half-chances can be the making of a striker. If we're only going to play one striker, and he needs them set up on a plate for him, then it's little wonder we're getting the results we are.

[A Hi-Bee]

He's getting service, just not very much of the type that he's capable of doing much with.

Nisbet has a tidy finish on him at times so if we're getting him on the ball, in space, and with time to get a shot away then he can do quite well. He's been getting none of that sort of service lately though.

There has been plenty of other stuff he's done nothing with. Play often breaks down when it gets to him as he struggles at times to retain possession, making it more difficult for us to create the sort of chance he thrives off.

And there have been countless "ball across the box" type of chances that he's just been nowhere near for various reasons. There was a high, floaty cross from Doig in the Celtic game that he didn't even bother jumping for. I don't mind betting that Doidge would have knocked defenders, ball and everything in his path at getting on the end of it if he'd been playing.

There have been many more that he's failed to get in front of his man for and the ball flashes away without it even registering as a chance. These are the types of chance that Ally McCoist made a career out of getting onto the end of.

Getting on the end of scraps and half-chances can be the making of a striker. If we're only going to play one striker, and he needs them set up on a plate for him, then it's little wonder we're getting the results we are.

McCoist spent a long time warming the subs bench as the one at the time didnie like him I used to ask myself how can one hun no like another hun, but as has been said he needs to get into the positions or take a gamble as they say he also needs to balls in to the box to be of a better quality.

[JimBHibees]

Has he **** had plenty of service. He’s getting no service at all.

Agree service has been poor think he looks like a confidence dip and or some physical issue. Thought he played well in many games including the Derby and scored excellent goal at Ibrox. His form has mirrored how bad the team has been recently.