So the next Hibs manager should be/will be?

[A Hi-Bee]

I don't really care, but I am just getting so bored with the JR show and his teams are just boring to watch.
Why don't we go the whole hog and get the St Mirren manager along with his back up crew, no need to poach the Saints players then.
Or should we wait even longer, he has to go some time.

[blackpoolhibs]

Someone from here, that should win us the league.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Someone from here, that should win us the league.

While playing good football. No point winning the league if it’s boring.

As many have said they’d rather lose than win playing with no panache.

[A Hi-Bee]

Someone from here, that should win us the league.

Never gonna win the league, just want a Hibs team that never gives up, fights for everything and no player leaves the field looking like he has just been for a wee run.
Still a valid question who will it be?
:greengrin

[Unseen work]

Always been impressed with Goodwin.

Play good football, he uses his budget well and attracts good players and he’s not scared to have a go or voice his anger.

Think he’d suit us well.

That said I don’t want Ross sacked and don’t think he deserves it.

[Pretty Boy]

I don't think we'll be changing manager anytime soon.

It's inevitably going to happen at some point though and when it does I'd like us to appoint a foreign manager. With the exception of Ireland the only non UK managers we had were a guy who played most of his career in Scotland and the ill fated Sauzee experiment.

Someone coming in with a totally new mindset and a fresh pair of eyes on the Scottish game would suit me just fine.

I like Goodwin and I like the way he has St Mirren playing but it's not the job for him now. He would start with the 'another ex St Mirren' tag. Shaun Maloneys name keeps coming up when Scottish jobs become available but I'm not really sure why. I know he is coaching with Belgium but that doesn't really give any indication of his suitability as a manager. It would be a big 1st job for him and a risk for us.

[bigwheel]

I don't think we'll be changing manager anytime soon.

It's inevitably going to happen at some point though and when it does I'd like us to appoint a foreign manager. With the exception of Ireland the only non UK managers we had were a guy who played most of his career in Scotland and the ill fated Sauzee experiment.

Someone coming in with a totally new mindset and a fresh pair of eyes on the Scottish game would suit me just fine.

I like Goodwin and I like the way he has St Mirren playing but it's not the job for him now. He would start with the 'another ex St Mirren' tag. Shaun Maloneys name keeps coming up when Scottish jobs become available but I'm not really sure why. I know he is coaching with Belgium but that doesn't really give any indication of his suitability as a manager. It would be a big 1st job for him and a risk for us.

Maloney was going to be part of the John Kennedy management team for us , before Celtic persuaded him to stay …

[Weegreenman]

Derek McInnes. I said it at the time, Aberdeen supporters should be careful what they wish for.
Season after season forced to sell on top players and he still had them competing for second/ third place.

I’ll concede his cup record was very poor though.

[MWHIBBIES]

Derek McInnes. I said it at the time, Aberdeen supporters should be careful what they wish for.
Season after season forced to sell on top players and he still had them competing for second/ third place.

I’ll concede his cup record was very poor though.

They actually kept top players for a long time, and spent very good money replacing them. He wasn't forced to sell many of them. Jack left for nothing, so did Mclean, so did Shinnie. They turned down big money for McKenna. Payed 400k for May then played him everywhere but striker.

[Keith_M]

Guardiola

[jeffers]

Can’t see it happening any time soon, but when it does come time for us to look for a new manager it will be different people recruiting them, I think their first time in doing so.

[Unseen work]

Derek McInnes. I said it at the time, Aberdeen supporters should be careful what they wish for.
Season after season forced to sell on top players and he still had them competing for second/ third place.

I’ll concede his cup record was very poor though.

McInnes is one I was always slightly jealous Aberdeen had.

I do think he had a lot of backing though and could attract players with money, but he was also a really passionate manager who was good at convincing players and they all loved him and played for him.

He bought and sold (and sometimes bought again) guys like McGinn, Hayes, Rooney, Shinnie, McLean, Ferguson Cosgrove.

Even his signings which the fans never rated seemed to contribute somehow.

I’ve been right next to him in the dugout before too and he doesn’t stop shouting instructions and encouraging his players for 90 minutes.

His record in cups isn’t the best but he did win one. Worth noting that they got to the final 2 or 3 times but we’re beaten by a very good Celtic time who done the quadruple treble…

My only fear is he would deem it as too similar a job and just mould us into his Aberdeen team and sign the same players again.

[Alfred E Newman]

Me

[SaulGoodman]

Ole

[Since452]

Depends who is available in 3/4 years. Ross isn't going anywhere soon.

[ekhibee]

Early days, and they're not going to sack Ross yet, but I have been impressed with Tam Courts of DU, but it's still early in the season.

[SHODAN]

Does it matter? The exact same people who want Ross gone will turn on any new manager after a few bad results too.

[scoopyboy]

Does it matter? The exact same people who want Ross gone will turn on any new manager after a few bad results too.

100% correct.

Post of the week.

[Peevemor]

Does it matter? The exact same people who want Ross gone will turn on any new manager after a few bad results too.Correct.

[makaveli1875]

Derek McInnes. I said it at the time, Aberdeen supporters should be careful what they wish for.
Season after season forced to sell on top players and he still had them competing for second/ third place.

I’ll concede his cup record was very poor though.

Mcinnes is pretty much a high calibre Jack Ross, steady in the league, useless in cups and his team were boring. The only difference was Mcinnes had them throwing hammers

[Iain G]

Ole

He could do a decent job am sure at our level 👍

[bigwheel]

Does it matter? The exact same people who want Ross gone will turn on any new manager after a few bad results too.

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[Weir07]

Correct.

Not sure if it is correct, it's not just a few bad results alone, a less than scintillating style of play, especially at home, plus three good cup opportunities not taken last year is a fairer assessment on why the fans are starting to turn on Jack Ross.

[Lago]

Depends who is available in 3/4 years. Ross isn't going anywhere soon.
Pity his football is so bland and unexciting.

[Jones28]

Does it matter? The exact same people who want Ross gone will turn on any new manager after a few bad results too.

100% 👏

[madhatter]

Does it matter? The exact same people who want Ross gone will turn on any new manager after a few bad results too.

As will the exact same people who make these comments that then get fellow happy clappers giving each other hi-fives.

I think we've got an element in our support that celebrate a win in the faces of fellow fans (to shut them up seems to be the phrase) just as much as some of our support will be happy for us to lose again so Ross is gone.

Not sure how negative comments about fellow fans is perceived as a positive but criticism of a paid manager is seen as negative.

Woohoo, great comment though. Super duper uber stuff.

[jeffers]

Not sure if it is correct, it's not just a few bad results alone, a less than scintillating style of play, especially at home, plus three good cup opportunities not taken last year is a fairer assessment on why the fans are starting to turn on Jack Ross.

Agreed and it’s not as if many on here are actually calling for his head, but a number of us don’t enjoy watching his team play football and while Covid is certainly impacting too the crowds at ER are suggesting fans aren’t buying into him. Ultimately RG will decide, not us.

[whiskyhibby]

The current Leeds United Manager !

[Perfect Hatrick]

Not sure if it is correct, it's not just a few bad results alone, a less than scintillating style of play, especially at home, plus three good cup opportunities not taken last year is a fairer assessment on why the fans are starting to turn on Jack Ross.

Absolutely. The idea that peoples issues with JR are off the back of two defeats is simply daft.

[Peevemor]

Absolutely. The idea that peoples issues with JR are off the back of two defeats is simply daft.But the ridiculous overreactions that are becoming increasingly frequent on here aren't?

[MWHIBBIES]

Mcinnes is pretty much a high calibre Jack Ross, steady in the league, useless in cups and his team were boring. The only difference was Mcinnes had them throwing hammers

Ross isn't useless in the cups. He's had Hibs in at least the semi final of all domestic cup competitions he has ever entered.

[90274]

Ross isn't useless in the cups. He's had Hibs in at least the semi final of all domestic cup competitions he has ever entered.

Maybe so, but look at the opposition he has beaten to get there. It is literally 3 or 4 Premier League sides we have beaten to reach 3 Semi Finals and a Final.

Like Sunderland, we all know his record in said Semi Finals and Final.

McInnes has the medals and credentials to be a serious candidate to replace Jack Ross.

[hibbydog]

Ridiculous thread.

Turn the clock back a month and Jack Ross is a genius and Tam Courts is an inexperienced child.

Yes disappointed as anyone about our current form. But it’s Time for cool heads not knee jerk reactions.

[Perfect Hatrick]

But the ridiculous overreactions that are becoming increasingly frequent on here aren't?

People haven’t enjoyed watching us for pretty much all of his two year tenure. The results were enough to paper over that (just) last season. This season they’re not.

Not really an over reaction to me. A manager that has a lot of people not even bothering their arse to go to games and a lot of the ones that do not enjoying it for 2 years now isn’t really doing their job imo. A manager in that mould won’t last forever at any club, as we seen with McInnes at Aberdeen. If the fans don’t like watching their own team then a change will eventually need to be made. After all, the club is there for the fans.

This isn’t a knee jerk reaction from folk, it’s been an issue for JRs full tenure. There’s been excuses made the whole way through, some of them valid, such as this isn’t his team, then people told everyone that people weren’t enjoying it because they weren’t there etc. In reality he just plays a brand of football that lots of fans think is absolutely chronic.

There’s been a big shift in the fans feelings towards Ross recently imo and it’s been something that’s been building over his whole tenure. The threads on here are have a whole lot less people on his side as do other forms of social media. Something that has been bubbling under the surface for so long eventually coming to a head like this isn’t an over reaction imo.

[SHODAN]

Ridiculous thread.

Turn the clock back a month and Jack Ross is a genius and Tam Courts is an inexperienced child.

Yes disappointed as anyone about our current form. But it’s Time for cool heads not knee jerk reactions.

Try two weeks.

[Heisenberg]

Maybe so, but look at the opposition he has beaten to get there. It is literally 3 or 4 Premier League sides we have beaten to reach 3 Semi Finals and a Final.

Like Sunderland, we all know his record in said Semi Finals and Final.

McInnes has the medals and credentials to be a serious candidate to replace Jack Ross.

McInnes has one medal to show for his eight years at Aberdeen. He consistently lost in big games and was always criticised by their fans for his style of football. One thing he did have was great backing in the transfer market on a regular basis.

Ron needs to provide some cash in January as this squad is a mess. Ross will be the man to spend it, in my opinion, unless we go on a completely horrendous run and slide right down the league.

[90274]

But the ridiculous overreactions that are becoming increasingly frequent on here aren't?

I don't think they are overreactions. They are legitimate concerns about his credentials as our manager.

What are the pros and cons of his tenure?

He is nearing two years as being Hibs manager. Has he earned the right in those two years to be untouchable? He's had four windows to build a team and look at us.

We finished third last season with a poor Celtic & Aberdeen (in fact as poor as they had been in years) and no Hearts in the top league.

[Peevemor]

People haven’t enjoyed watching us for pretty much all of his two year tenure. The results were enough to paper over that (just) last season. This season they’re not.

Not really an over reaction to me. A manager that has a lot of people not even bothering their arse to go to games and a lot of the ones that do not enjoying it for 2 years now isn’t really doing their job imo. A manager in that mould won’t last forever at any club, as we seen with McInnes at Aberdeen. If the fans don’t like watching their own team then a change will eventually need to be made. After all, the club is there for the fans.

This isn’t a knee jerk reaction from folk, it’s been an issue for JRs full tenure. There’s been excuses made the whole way through, some of them valid, such as this isn’t his team, then people told everyone that people weren’t enjoying it because they weren’t there etc. In reality he just plays a brand of football that lots of fans think is absolutely chronic.

There’s been a big shift in the fans feelings towards Ross recently imo and it’s been something that’s been building over his whole tenure. The threads on here are have a whole lot less people on his side as do other forms of social media. Something that has been bubbling under the surface for so long eventually coming to a head like this isn’t an over reaction imo.People were enjoying how we were playing at the beginning of this season. Magennis was like a new signing and JDH was getting plaudits because he was quicker at moving the ball forward.

When folk suggested that the knives would be out if we had a couple of bad results it was largely denied as people tried to airbrush out stuff they'd said last season.

Since then we've picked up injuries to key players and have played almost 3 matches without Porto - basically denying us a very good spine. Other players are a bit under par, including JDH, who's been getting a bit of stick too.

And for what it's worth, my reference to overreactions wasn't just about JR & the team - it's almost everything to do with the club.

[Nicho87]

Alex Neil
Alan Stubbs
Jim Goodwin
Derek McInnes

[Viva_Palmeiras]

As will the exact same people who make these comments that then get fellow happy clappers giving each other hi-fives.

I think we've got an element in our support that celebrate a win in the faces of fellow fans (to shut them up seems to be the phrase) just as much as some of our support will be happy for us to lose again so Ross is gone.

Not sure how negative comments about fellow fans is perceived as a positive but criticism of a paid manager is seen as negative.

Woohoo, great comment though. Super duper uber stuff.

lit suits some folks narrative and it works both ways.

These threads really are a bit of a venus fly-trap when things don’t go according to plan.

[Brightside]

Alan Stubbs. Ffs.

[Perfect Hatrick]

People were enjoying how we were playing at the beginning of this season. Magennis was like a new signing and JDH was getting plaudits because he was quicker at moving the ball forward.

When folk suggested that the knives would be out if we had a couple of bad results it was largely denied as people tried to airbrush out stuff they'd said last season.

Since then we've picked up injuries to key players and have played almost 3 matches without Porto - basically denying us a very good spine. Other players are a bit under par, including JDH, who's been getting a bit of stick too.

And for what it's worth, my reference to overreactions wasn't just about JR & the team - it's almost everything to do with the club.

Were they?

I enjoyed Motherwell Ross county and DU in the cup. Other than that the rest of the games have been somewhere between nothing to write him about and dross imo. I’d hazard a guess a lot of others are similar.

After 16 games that’s really quite poor.

[Peevemor]

Were they?

I enjoyed Motherwell Ross county and DU in the cup. Other than that the rest of the games have been somewhere between nothing to write him about and dross imo. I’d hazard a guess a lot of others are similar.

After 16 games that’s really quite poor.More airbrushing!

[madhatter]

More airbrushing!

Not really - I agree that the football has never been particularly good baring a couple of games. You've made a statement that "people were enjoying how we were playing at the beginning of this season". Have you done some sort of survey?

Quite funny that you are accusing others of airbrushing given you've just made a statement about the past that you cannot possibly prove to be true...if you have a survey with 15k replies then please share.

[Silky]

For me, it has to be someone who plays exciting football. Maybe wins less games than his predecessor, just avoids relegation and prioritises flare ofer fight. I'd happily sacrifice Europe, top 6, being the big team for a breathtaking brand of fast flowing football

[Perfect Hatrick]

More airbrushing!

Is it?

I could have sworn I knew what I felt after these games as well.

[Dalianwanda]

Alex Neil
Alan Stubbs
Jim Goodwin
Derek McInnes

Honestly? Legend tha he is he's failed everywhere else hes been......Goodwin IMO its way too early..McInnes, I dont know..Alex Neil could be a shout..

[Peevemor]

Not really - I agree that the football has never been particularly good baring a couple of games. You've made a statement that "people were enjoying how we were playing at the beginning of this season". Have you done some sort of survey?

Quite funny that you are accusing others of airbrushing given you've just made a statement about the past that you cannot possibly prove to be true...if you have a survey with 15k replies then please share.

I don't need to do a survey. I read plenty of plaudits on here, including a good few that were admitting to changing their mind and coming 'round to Jack Ross.

You can use selective amnesia and ridiculous arguments to pick holes in what I said if you want. I really don't care.

I know what I read on here with my own eyes.

[Peevemor]

Is it?

I could have sworn I knew what I felt after these games as well.It's a pity you weren't active on here, you could have shared it with us.

[Hulk1875]

Alex Neil
Alan Stubbs
Jim Goodwin
Derek McInnes

Not read over rest of this thread but Alex Neil was with Norwich was our new chief exec there at the time? Cba searching about it, he’d be good appointment aslong as they got at that time.

[Dalianwanda]

For me, it has to be someone who plays exciting football. Maybe wins less games than his predecessor, just avoids relegation and prioritises flare ofer fight. I'd happily sacrifice Europe, top 6, being the big team for a breathtaking brand of fast flowing football

So you would be happy for us to lose the majority of our games? Thats not gonna fly, we need some sort of balance...just avoiding relegation doesnt sound like our attacking would be that great?

[90274]

More airbrushing!

What's being airbrushed?

[chrisski33]

Antonio Conte

[Smartie]

Try two weeks.

It's been said for ages though that there's a group of people just waiting for a couple of defeats to get the knives out.

Folk have been tolerating stuff as long as results have been just about acceptable.

There has been unhappiness bubbling under the surface for a while, the last couple of games have just brought it to a head.

The concerning thing is that we could go on a run now and make it look like it WAS just an isolated couple of results. With the squad and the manager we have it is just does not look likely that we're even going to get shots on goal, let alone goals or wins or a run of wins.

[Peevemor]

What's being airbrushed?Glossed over almost to the point of being erased. Denying stuff that's been said or trying to reduce it's importance.

[superfurryhibby]

If watching Hibs at Easter Road on a regular basis was an actual option then I suspect some posters on here would feel less enamoured of Jock Ross and his brand of football.

Hibs haven’t progressed this season and he’ll be gone by the end of November, at latest.

[madhatter]

I don't need to do a survey. I read plenty of plaudits on here, including a good few that were admitting to changing their mind and coming 'round to Jack Ross.

You can use selective amnesia and ridiculous arguments to pick holes in what I said if you want. I really don't care.

I know what I read on here with my own eyes.

So what you read on here is gospel when you feel like it?

Are you reading my fairly consistent critique of Jack Ross' football with your own eyes as well?

Think it may be you that has selective sight more than anything, which is strange as you always get caught up in Jack Ross arguments.

[Silky]

So you would be happy for us to lose the majority of our games? Thats not gonna fly, we need some sort of balance...just avoiding relegation doesnt sound like our attacking would be that great?

But it's exciting. We score 4, they might score 5.emphasis on being on the front foot than defending. Attacking might be excellent, defending not so. But, it's enjoyable, e, citing and pleasing on the eye. I've seen it on here, people saying they would take bottom 6 playing like that over Ross' current style and coming third. It's a no btainer. Flare o er fight. Style over substance. Win pretty or don't win at all.

[90274]

Glossed over almost to the point of being erased. Denying stuff that's been said or trying to reduce it's importance.

What exactly is it that is being airbrushed?

[007]

People haven’t enjoyed watching us for pretty much all of his two year tenure. The results were enough to paper over that (just) last season. This season they’re not.

Not really an over reaction to me. A manager that has a lot of people not even bothering their arse to go to games and a lot of the ones that do not enjoying it for 2 years now isn’t really doing their job imo. A manager in that mould won’t last forever at any club, as we seen with McInnes at Aberdeen. If the fans don’t like watching their own team then a change will eventually need to be made. After all, the club is there for the fans.

This isn’t a knee jerk reaction from folk, it’s been an issue for JRs full tenure. There’s been excuses made the whole way through, some of them valid, such as this isn’t his team, then people told everyone that people weren’t enjoying it because they weren’t there etc. In reality he just plays a brand of football that lots of fans think is absolutely chronic.

There’s been a big shift in the fans feelings towards Ross recently imo and it’s been something that’s been building over his whole tenure. The threads on here are have a whole lot less people on his side as do other forms of social media. Something that has been bubbling under the surface for so long eventually coming to a head like this isn’t an over reaction imo.

If it has been an issue with people for JR's full tenure

[Peevemor]

So what you read on here is gospel when you feel like it?

Are you reading my fairly consistent critique of Jack Ross' football with your own eyes as well?

Think it may be you that has selective sight more than anything, which is strange as you always get caught up in Jack Ross arguments.

I've no idea what you're on about.

[Peevemor]

What exactly is it that is being airbrushed?People wanted Ross out, then denied that anyone ever said that (or meant it really) and that they wouldn't be calling for his head the first wee bad run of results we experienced.

[007]

People haven’t enjoyed watching us for pretty much all of his two year tenure. The results were enough to paper over that (just) last season. This season they’re not.

Not really an over reaction to me. A manager that has a lot of people not even bothering their arse to go to games and a lot of the ones that do not enjoying it for 2 years now isn’t really doing their job imo. A manager in that mould won’t last forever at any club, as we seen with McInnes at Aberdeen. If the fans don’t like watching their own team then a change will eventually need to be made. After all, the club is there for the fans.

This isn’t a knee jerk reaction from folk, it’s been an issue for JRs full tenure. There’s been excuses made the whole way through, some of them valid, such as this isn’t his team, then people told everyone that people weren’t enjoying it because they weren’t there etc. In reality he just plays a brand of football that lots of fans think is absolutely chronic.

There’s been a big shift in the fans feelings towards Ross recently imo and it’s been something that’s been building over his whole tenure. The threads on here are have a whole lot less people on his side as do other forms of social media. Something that has been bubbling under the surface for so long eventually coming to a head like this isn’t an over reaction imo.

If it has been an issue with people for JR's full tenure then maybe those people should be backing the manager/supporting the club instead of taking issue with a new manager before even giving him a chance.

[Perfect Hatrick]

If it has been an issue with people for JR's full tenure then maybe those people should be backing the manager/supporting the club instead of taking issue with a new manager before even giving him a chance.

What do you want people to do? Pretend they’re enjoying it?

He got support at the beginning even when people weren’t enjoying it then either.

He started to lose some of it when it became his team and the football didn’t get any better.

[Dalianwanda]

But it's exciting. We score 4, they might score 5.emphasis on being on the front foot than defending. Attacking might be excellent, defending not so. But, it's enjoyable, e, citing and pleasing on the eye. I've seen it on here, people saying they would take bottom 6 playing like that over Ross' current style and coming third. It's a no btainer. Flare o er fight. Style over substance. Win pretty or don't win at all.

So we get beat 5 4 every week and you think people would be happy? Dont get me wrong Id love a bit of attacking flair but getting beat more often than not isnt fun, its demoralising & plaudits for having a go would mean nothing.

[90274]

People wanted Ross out, then denied that anyone ever said that (or meant it really) and that they wouldn't be calling for his head the first wee bad run of results we experienced.

Ah, I do think JR will struggle to ever win over the full support after the 1-3 home defeat to Hearts and subsequent Semi Final loss to Hearts. His record in these games doesn't look like improving.

The feeling in my circles has been 80% not keen on JR for a while now.

I can't see him turning this around.

[madhatter]

I've no idea what you're on about.

It's rather simple. You've made a blanket statement that "people" were enjoying our play at the start of the season.

I have said that I, like some others, have consistently thought our play has been quite poor and, at times, verging on horrendous.

You don't need to do a survey as you read some stuff on here so seemingly decided everyone was pleased and attributed a recent change in form (struggling to register shots on target) as a pitchfork moment. That isn't the case but it is the truth you've made as you are airbrushing while telling others they are airbrushing.

For avoidance of doubt, I have never liked Jack Ross' style of football. It is McInnes-esque. It has been discussed on here many times that some portion of our fan base have never taken to Jack Ross so I'm guessing you have that selective amnesia you were on about.

[007]

What do you want people to do? Pretend they’re enjoying it?

He got support at the beginning even when people weren’t enjoying it then either.

He started to lose some of it when it became his team and the football didn’t get any better.

Not have an issue with a manager right at the start of his tenure and give him a chance.

[Silky]

So we get beat 5 4 every week and you think people would be happy? Dont get me wrong Id love a bit of attacking flair but getting beat more often than not isnt fun, its demoralising & plaudits for having a go would mean nothing.

I've read loads of posts on here and, I have to say, yes I do think people would be happy. The current style, even though we finished third playing like this and won a lot of games, is clearly more demoralising. You only have to read the posts; people are staying away because it's not exciting. People are bored. Some have been for the whole of his tenure.

[Peevemor]

It's rather simple. You've made a blanket statement that "people" were enjoying our play at the start of the season.

I have said that I, like some others, have consistently thought our play has been quite poor and, at times, verging on horrendous.

You don't need to do a survey as you read some stuff on here so seemingly decided everyone was pleased and attributed a recent change in form (struggling to register shots on target) as a pitchfork moment. That isn't the case but it is the truth you've made as you are airbrushing while telling others they are airbrushing.

For avoidance of doubt, I have never liked Jack Ross' style of football. It is McInnes-esque. It has been discussed on here many times that some portion of our fan base have never taken to Jack Ross so I'm guessing you have that selective amnesia you were on about.Did I say it was everyone?

And my memory's generally fine thanks.

[Inconsequential]

Changing manager again would be madness. The club has done that so many times and ends up going nowhere fast. Last season was the best season in decades and now some think getting rid of Jack Ross is a good idea? Certainly the side is having a bad spell at the moment but things in football change very quickly. I say stick with him and the hierarchy at the club seem to agree with extending his contract. Remember the word persevere.... GGTTH.

[Jones28]

Do people actually want Ross out and replaced with McInnes?

Famous for his hold-on-to-your-hats style of attacking football of course..

Or is he making lists of candidates because a list with “Stubbs” and “Lennon” on it looks a bit ****?

[Perfect Hatrick]

Not have an issue with a manager right at the start of his tenure and give him a chance.

People did give him a chance at the start of his tenure from what I saw. I know my group of mates and family didn’t enjoy it in his first season but it was generally accepted it was a case of getting through the season.

People began to criticise him for the football when it became his team.

[90274]

Changing manager again would be madness. The club has done that so many times and ends up going nowhere fast. Last season was the best season in decades and now some think getting rid of Jack Ross is a good idea? Certainly the side is having a bad spell at the moment but things in football change very quickly. I say stick with him and the hierarchy at the club seem to agree with extending his contract. Remember the word persevere.... GGTTH.

Best season in decades?

[007]

People did give him a chance at the start of his tenure from what I saw. I know my group of mates and family didn’t enjoy it in his first season but it was generally accepted it was a case of getting through the season.

People began to criticise him for the football when it became his team.

You said it has been an issue for his full tenure. Hardly giving him a chance, more like biding time until an opportunity to start calling for his head.

[madhatter]

Did I say it was everyone?

And my memory's generally fine thanks.

No you implied it. You also implied that people have a vendetta against the club, overreaction to everything to do with the club. That'll be another statement made entirely based on comments on here I'm guessing, or at least your interpretation and cataloging of them.

I'm glad about your memory. Funny how you talked about knives coming out, to get after the club. Seems there are others that wield them as well, eh? Those that critique the behaviour of fellow fans.

[heretoday]

Instead of buying all their players we should get manager Goodwin from St Mirren. Hard guy. Rangers and Hearts would fear us.

[OstKurve Hibs]

Why do people keep saying that one of the reasons we finished third was cos hearts weren't in the league ?

They havent finished above us in the top league for about 10 years

A weak aberdeen obviously helped us, same as it helped Aberdeen finish 3rd when we were weaker.

Stop lookin for excuses why we finished 3rd and just appreciate the fact that we did.

Cant we just say we finished third because we were better than everyone else outside the glasgow 2.

[Perfect Hatrick]

You said it has been an issue for his full tenure. Hardly giving him a chance, more like biding time until an opportunity to start calling for his head.

The crap style of football has been an issue for his full tenure. Short of people just pretending it was exciting football I’m not sure what your version of giving him a chance looks like. People weren’t all that critical of it to begin with because I think most generally seen it as a necessary evil to get us up the league a bit that season and hoped it would get more exciting. To me that’s giving him a chance. It didn’t really get any better though and here we are with crowds down, season ticket holders not even bothering to turn up and a lot of the ones that do not enjoying it in the slightest.

[madhatter]

Do people actually want Ross out and replaced with McInnes?

Famous for his hold-on-to-your-hats style of attacking football of course..

Or is he making lists of candidates because a list with “Stubbs” and “Lennon” on it looks a bit ****?

When Ross leaves I'd like a foreign head coach that gets us playing entertaining football.

I don't want McInnes, Stubbs or Lennon...or any ex-players for that matter. I want fresh ideas.

[Moulin Yarns]

Jack Ross. Has all the attributes that you need to be a successful manager at a club of hibs stature.

[007]

Changing manager again would be madness. The club has done that so many times and ends up going nowhere fast. Last season was the best season in decades and now some think getting rid of Jack Ross is a good idea? Certainly the side is having a bad spell at the moment but things in football change very quickly. I say stick with him and the hierarchy at the club seem to agree with extending his contract. Remember the word persevere.... GGTTH.

The "I told you so" brigade who like to get the criticism in as early as possible so at a later date they can say they were right from the getgo. If they had their way we'd get through 2 or 3 managers every year.

[Peevemor]

No you implied it. You also implied that people have a vendetta against the club, overreaction to everything to do with the club. That'll be another statement made entirely based on comments on here I'm guessing, or at least your interpretation and cataloging of them.

I'm glad about your memory. Funny how you talked about knives coming out, to get after the club. Seems there are others that wield them as well, eh? Those that critique the behaviour of fellow fans.

I didn't imply it.

And since when does overreaction = vendetta.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

One thing you're right about though, I'm far from impressed by some of my fellow fans.

[Smartie]

Jack Ross. Has all the attributes that you need to be a successful manager at a club of hibs stature.

Yeah, I'd go along with that.

At the moment though he doesn't have the players. Not exactly an attribute but a factor that normally contributes towards the success of any manager.

[madhatter]

The "I told you so" brigade who like to get the criticism in as early as possible so at a later date they can say they were right from the getgo. If they had their way we'd get through 2 or 3 managers every year.

Who is saying "I told you so"? If anything people predicting another pitchfork moment after another 2 defeats are preparing an "I told you so" moment.

In actual fact, isn't you predicting 2 or 3 managers every year "if they had their way" a precursor to an "I told you so" moment? One for you to bookmark I think.

[Perfect Hatrick]

Jack Ross. Has all the attributes that you need to be a successful manager at a club of hibs stature.

I’m not sure about that.

He has some of the attributes, absolutely.

But he seems to lack the ability to set a team up to play attractive football and he lacks the ability to win the games that really matter to the fans with him having a negative record in every one of the big fixtures. That’s not a guy who has all the attributes to be a success imo. I’d go as far to say that’s a guy that lacks two of the main attributes.

[madhatter]

I didn't imply it.

And since when does overreaction = vendetta.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

One thing you're right about though, I'm far from impressed by some of my fellow fans.

Overreaction to everything the club does suggests a vendetta, at the very least you are suggesting a campaign of negativity.

I get what you mean...I'm unimpressed with some of my fellow fans as well. Common ground, eh?

[GreenCastle]

I think folk would take a manager who wins a cup (euro qualification) over a manager who finishes just 3rd or 4th then plays a couple games in Europe.

Ross should get this season at least but fast forward to May and it will give a better overall picture how he’s got on..and he will have had another transfer window this January - 3 more derbies..2 at home and 6 more games against the Old Firm (5 league and 1 semi final) plus Aberdeen and Utd x3 games.

You could ask which teams in the U.K. would take Jack Ross just now?

There have been lots of comparisons with McIness and Ross. Hibs do need stability but also progression - remember Rangers / Hearts and Hibs were all out the top league at some point when McInnes was also in charge.

[90274]

Yeah, I'd go along with that.

At the moment though he doesn't have the players. Not exactly an attribute but a factor that normally contributes towards the success of any manager.

I disagree, look at his record in the bigger games.

Not just at us but at Sunderland too.

[The Modfather]

Do people actually want Ross out and replaced with McInnes?

Famous for his hold-on-to-your-hats style of attacking football of course..

Or is he making lists of candidates because a list with “Stubbs” and “Lennon” on it looks a bit ****?

I think the early few years of Mcinnes at Aberdeen were different to the attritional, rotational fouling that his team became synonymous with. My memory might be wrong, but I think they were actually decent to watch in his early years. Pace and width in Hayes & McGinn and a good tempo to the team.

I’d probably not go for Mcinnes whenever we next need a new manager. However I am open to the idea if, similar to Mixu, he takes a step back and thinks about his time and what worked and what didn’t, coming back a better manager. If he was on board with the fact that the style of football is at least as important as any success, giving youth a chance and buying into the recruitment structure he could be a very good fit IMO. A number of ifs in there granted.

[Peevemor]

Overreaction to everything the club does suggests a vendetta, at the very least you are suggesting a campaign of negativity.

I get what you mean...I'm unimpressed with some of my fellow fans as well. Common ground, eh?

I haven't said anything about vendettas & campaigns of negativity. Again, please stop putting words in my mouth.

[Smartie]

I disagree, look at his record in the bigger games.

Not just at us but at Sunderland too.

I'm normally the one banging this particular drum, as well as pointing out the Sunderland record tbh.

Up to this point he hasn't done well enough in those games, no doubt, but it's harder to figure out why. I'm not sure how much it's anything to do with him or his attributes as to me there doesn't seem to be an obvious reason why he has the poor record in those games.

But he does, and I'm not going to defend his record in them.

[tamig]

Maybe so, but look at the opposition he has beaten to get there. It is literally 3 or 4 Premier League sides we have beaten to reach 3 Semi Finals and a Final.

Like Sunderland, we all know his record in said Semi Finals and Final.

McInnes has the medals and credentials to be a serious candidate to replace Jack Ross.

McInnes won one League Cup in eight years. And a brand of football Levein would have been proud of. Ridiculous thread anyway. We don’t need a new manager for the foreseeable.

[madhatter]

I haven't said anything about vendettas & campaigns of negativity. Again, please stop putting words in my mouth.

Yeah, ok...

"People wanted Ross out, then denied that anyone ever said that (or meant it really) and that they wouldn't be calling for his head the first wee bad run of results we experienced."

"When folk suggested that the knives would be out if we had a couple of bad results it was largely denied as people tried to airbrush out stuff they'd said last season."

"And for what it's worth, my reference to overreactions wasn't just about JR & the team - it's almost everything to do with the club."

You use your words to describe the behaviours of others quite freely.

[The 90+2]

Alex Neil.

If not then we won’t do better.

[Brightside]

As if Alex Neil would take the Hibs job.

[Perfect Hatrick]

As if Alex Neil would take the Hibs job.

He got mutually consented with his team at the bottom end of the Championship.

He’d definitely consider it imo.

[Peevemor]

Yeah, ok...

"People wanted Ross out, then denied that anyone ever said that (or meant it really) and that they wouldn't be calling for his head the first wee bad run of results we experienced."

"When folk suggested that the knives would be out if we had a couple of bad results it was largely denied as people tried to airbrush out stuff they'd said last season."

"And for what it's worth, my reference to overreactions wasn't just about JR & the team - it's almost everything to do with the club."

Wow!

Where do I mention or hint at any campaigns or vendettas there?

I'm referring to people (ie. Individual posters) and there knee jerk reactions and overreactions.

Stop trying to read between my lines for some hidden meaning or you're going to make yourself look even less credible.

[Unseen work]

Neil would have links to Kensell from Norwich no?

Either way I don’t want Ross sacked.

Ridiculous to even think it right now IMO.

[Perfect Hatrick]

McInnes won one League Cup in eight years. And a brand of football Levein would have been proud of. Ridiculous thread anyway. We don’t need a new manager for the foreseeable.

I wouldn’t want McInnes but I’d be stunned if JR managed to match what McInnes done at Aberdeen whilst at Hibs. He finished top 4 about 7 seasons in a row with 3 top 2 finishes in a row.

I would hate for him to be here but he’s a very good manager at a certain style of football.

[tamig]

For me, it has to be someone who plays exciting football. Maybe wins less games than his predecessor, just avoids relegation and prioritises flare ofer fight. I'd happily sacrifice Europe, top 6, being the big team for a breathtaking brand of fast flowing football

You clearly have never listened to anything our owner has ever said. Romantic nonsense that will never fly.

[Coco Bryce]

McInnes dishes up eye bleeding football with results.

[madhatter]

Wow!

Where do I mention or hint at any campaigns or vendettas there?

I'm referring to people (ie. Individual posters) and there knee jerk reactions and overreactions.

Stop trying to read between my lines for some hidden meaning or you're going to make yourself look even less credible.

Even less credible...name the "people" (ie. individual posters) if we are talking about credibility. You've made critical statements using "people" and then you are telling me I will look "even less credible" because I'm reading between the lines. Who are these people exactly?

[90274]

Wow!

Where do I mention or hint at any campaigns or vendettas there?

I'm referring to people (ie. Individual posters) and there knee jerk reactions and overreactions.

Stop trying to read between my lines for some hidden meaning or you're going to make yourself look even less credible.

Who's credible and who isn't?

[Brummie_Hibs]

For obvious reasons, this won't happen next week, and I wouldn't necessarily agree with this appointment, but Steve Clarke could be available before the end of the year.

[Peevemor]

Who's credible and who isn't?I'm not the one making stuff up.

[Coco Bryce]

For obvious reasons, this won't happen next week, and I wouldn't necessarily agree with this appointment, but Steve Clarke could be available before the end of the year.

No! just NO!!

[90274]

For obvious reasons, this won't happen next week, and I wouldn't necessarily agree with this appointment, but Steve Clarke could be available before the end of the year.

Arguably even worse than JR.

[Peevemor]

Even less credible...name the "people" (ie. individual posters) if we are talking about credibility. You've made critical statements using "people" and then you are telling me I will look "even less credible" because I'm reading between the lines. Who are these people exactly?Look, whatever I say you'll pick holes in it and probably taking things from it that I haven't said so I'll leave it for tonight.

[Zambernardi1875]

I think folk would take a manager who wins a cup (euro qualification) over a manager who finishes just 3rd or 4th then plays a couple games in Europe.

Ross should get this season at least but fast forward to May and it will give a better overall picture how he’s got on..and he will have had another transfer window this January - 3 more derbies..2 at home and 6 more games against the Old Firm (5 league and 1 semi final) plus Aberdeen and Utd x3 games.

You could ask which teams in the U.K. would take Jack Ross just now?

There have been lots of comparisons with McIness and Ross. Hibs do need stability but also progression - remember Rangers / Hearts and Hibs were all out the top league at some point when McInnes was also in charge.

“ You could ask which teams in the U.K. would take Jack Ross just now?”

Great point that nobody else has brought up.

[MWHIBBIES]

Instead of buying all their players we should get manager Goodwin from St Mirren. Hard guy. Rangers and Hearts would fear us.

Definitely not. They wouldn't fear us at all.

[madhatter]

Look, whatever I say you'll pick holes in it and probably taking things from it that I haven't said so I'll leave it for tonight.

Thought so. Talk about credibility...

This fits well with your "I'm not the one making stuff up.". Be nice to know who these "people" are that you've used in all your critical posts.

I presume I'm one of them but that's probably me just picking holes and taking things you haven't said. Hey ho, it's probably me just being my usual creditability devoid self making stuff up.

[tamig]

For obvious reasons, this won't happen next week, and I wouldn't necessarily agree with this appointment, but Steve Clarke could be available before the end of the year.

A big factor in folk appearing to not be too keen on JR is a perceived lack of personality. I’m not sure those same folk would be welcoming to Clarke.

[tamig]

I wouldn’t want McInnes but I’d be stunned if JR managed to match what McInnes done at Aberdeen whilst at Hibs. He finished top 4 about 7 seasons in a row with 3 top 2 finishes in a row.

I would hate for him to be here but he’s a very good manager at a certain style of football.

Look at who was in the league - or more importantly who wasn’t - when McInnes was on that streak.

[Peevemor]

Thought so. Talk about credibility...

This fits well with your "I'm not the one making stuff up.". Be nice to know who these "people" are that you've used in all your critical posts.

I presume I'm one of them but that's probably me just picking holes and taking things you haven't said. Hey ho, it's probably me just being my usual creditability devoid self making stuff up.Jesus!

OK you're right.

Nobody wanted Ross out last Season.

Nobody said earlier this season that they were coming round to him.

Is that what you want to hear?

It's untrue but if it settles you down...

[Squealing pig]

Need to back the manager next transfer window and see what it brings , hopefully some flair and at least a goal scorer

[jacomo]

Derek McInnes. I said it at the time, Aberdeen supporters should be careful what they wish for.
Season after season forced to sell on top players and he still had them competing for second/ third place.

I’ll concede his cup record was very poor though.


He’s got similar strengths and weaknesses to Jack imo. A tactically cautious manager who generally knows how to set up against most domestic opponents but not someone who will let their team off the leash and really go for it.

It would be a pointless change.

[007]

Who is saying "I told you so"? If anything people predicting another pitchfork moment after another 2 defeats are preparing an "I told you so" moment.

In actual fact, isn't you predicting 2 or 3 managers every year "if they had their way" a precursor to an "I told you so" moment? One for you to bookmark I think.

How could it be a precursor to an "I told you so" moment unless Ron actually did started acting on people wanting a manager to be sacked every time we get a bad run of results/lose in the cup to a team other than Celtic or Rangers?

[007]

When Ross leaves I'd like a foreign head coach that gets us playing entertaining football.

I don't want McInnes, Stubbs or Lennon...or any ex-players for that matter. I want fresh ideas.

Why a foreign coach? What difference does that make?

[madhatter]

Jesus!

OK you're right.

Nobody wanted Ross out last Season.

Nobody said earlier this season that they were coming round to him.

Is that what you want to hear?

It's untrue but if it settles you down...

Never said that. Didn't need anything. You've made this about credibility and haven't named a single member of the "people" you critique so readily. Happy to say "make yourself look even less credible." to me as well and your rather common open-ended style dig "I'm not the one making stuff up." is rather ironic when you cannot/won't name anybody.

Things are usually in the grey, football forums represent the extremes normally. We are clearly on opposing sides, that's fine. However, to claim there are persons on here reacting negatively to everything the club do is just false. You are getting the represented truth online, when is that ever the actual truth? Social media platforms are far worse than here so be thankful of that.

[madhatter]

How could it be a precursor to an "I told you so" moment unless Ron actually did started acting on people wanting a manager to be sacked every time we get a bad run of results/lose in the cup to a team other than Celtic or Rangers?

It's quite simple. Jack Ross gets sacked then we end up with 2-3 hopeless managers afterwards that get sacked one after the other. Trust me, it's a keeper for a future "I told you so". Bookmark it, file it under the "we were better under Ross" header.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I for one don’t like the new guy and will let everyone know as soon as he doesn’t win a cup or if we don’t play well one day.

Who’s with me?

[madhatter]

Why a foreign coach? What difference does that make?

We've been awful for most of our history and we've almost consistently recruited British (mainly Scottish) managers, a sizeable portion in my life that have had Hibs connections.

History of failure, commonly doing the same thing, sure there is a saying to do with this...

[madhatter]

I for one don’t like the new guy and will let everyone know as soon as he doesn’t win a cup or if we don’t play well one day.

Who’s with me?

Happy clappers inbound for even more hilarity. Very entertaining, so original.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Happy clappers inbound for even more hilarity. Very entertaining, so original.

His stats just don’t hit the mark though. I’m entitled to my opinion etc.

[madhatter]

His stats just don’t hit the mark though. I’m entitled to my opinion etc.

It's not all about the stats. I love Jack Ross, he needs to be given a 10 year contract extension.

Great fun when you mock the other side, eh? Need to do this more often, why bother with debates?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Best season in decades?

you don’t really follow Hibs or know last year record it would appear…

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I for one don’t like the new guy and will let everyone know as soon as he doesn’t win a cup or if we don’t play well one day.

Who’s with me?

Tongue bursting through cheek?

[Danderhall Hibs]

Need to do this more often, why bother with debates?

That’s what does happen.

[007]

It's quite simple. Jack Ross gets sacked then we end up with 2-3 hopeless managers afterwards that get sacked one after the other. Trust me, it's a keeper for a future "I told you so". Bookmark it, file it under the "we were better under Ross" header.

I made the point that there are always people way too soon calling for managers to be sacked and if their wishes were granted when they wanted the managers to be sacked we'd get through 2 or 3 a year. Do you disagree with that?

Your reply in no way explains how me making that point would be an "I told you so moment" because the only way it could be would be if Ron started to grant their wishes, this will not happen. Or do you actually think he will start sacking managers the minute some people want them sacked?

[Hulk1875]

Have too say too sack jack Ross now Would be crazy, but my son who’s 7 now just saw hibs worst performance in person
Against Dundee Utd.. thing is I’ve saw a lot of bad times my first season was hibs relegation but I still love the club and wanted to introduce the history and passion to my boy and he’s gotta see the bad times

[Auckland Hibs]

Try two weeks.

Don't think it's fair to say it's only been 2 weeks - a minority wanted him out after the two absolutely horrific cup final performance last season.

[007]

We've been awful for most of our history and we've almost consistently recruited British (mainly Scottish) managers, a sizeable portion in my life that have had Hibs connections.

History of failure, commonly doing the same thing, sure there is a saying to do with this...

I'd hate to think the club would discriminate against British head coaches. Bringing in the best person for the job regardless of where they are from is surely more important. You've probably ruled out a large proportion of potential candidates with that criterion.

[Hulk1875]

Very early in his career and wouldn’t want too spoil our love affair with the guy, watching sportscene the now and Marvin Bartley talks a great game
And Would give players confidence

[007]

Don't think it's fair to say it's only been 2 weeks - a minority wanted him out after the two absolutely horrific cup final performance last season.

And if he had been sacked after 3rd place and losing in the LC semi and the SC final then that could have been regarded as the benchmark for future managers to be sacked. Sackings like that or after a run of just 3 bad results can lead to the next manager(s) being very quickly under pressure from the fans if they don't get off to a good start and then it's a downward spiral. Clubs get a reputation as being a basket case so no decent managers will touch them with a barge pole.

[madhatter]

I made the point that there are always people way too soon calling for managers to be sacked and if their wishes were granted when they wanted the managers to be sacked we'd get through 2 or 3 a year. Do you disagree with that?

Your reply in no way explains how me making that point would be an "I told you so moment" because the only way it could be would be if Ron started to grant their wishes, this will not happen. Or do you actually think he will start sacking managers the minute some people want them sacked?


I think like any football club in the world we can go through managers very quickly or very slowly. People talk about stability as if it guarantees success and excitement, McInnes at Aberdeen proves otherwise. How would I possibly know what rate we would go through them? We could get a manager that resonates with the fans or we could get a complete nutcase or we could get another Heckingbottom, who knows?

You talk about "calling for managers to be sacked". That isn't at this stage the problem, very few are actually that vocal. People complain on forums in what is largely a polite manner (other platforms are far far worse). Our attendances will be a contributing factor in any manager's tenure, like at any football club. In my time following Hibs I've rarely seen this pitchfork mentality people make out on here. Hibs has, and continues to be a fairly easy ride in my opinion. Failures against the top sides in our league are commonly forgiven or justified based on history - we've been historically rotten so we excuse managers for continuing the rotten trend. The same goes for league placement and cup competitions. We are historically rotten so "give them time" and "we can't keep changing managers" are the calls. I can name a few managers that have led us backwards after a European qualification year, they had time, they had success but we went backwards.

You cannot criticise fans or blame fans for a manager to get sacked because they no longer like watching Hibs. It's up to fans if they want to turn up to ER. That's like saying a series of films having different directors is due to the fans not receiving the films well. Surely its the case that the films were rubbish more than fans being responsible for their reception? This narrative that Hibs fans are out with pitchforks is complete exaggeration. We've heard boos after an awful performance but have we sung "sacked in the morning" recently? Jack Ross has had a relatively smooth ride at Hibs in comparison to how his critics are talked about on here. You'd think he's had a torrid time at ER for months or something the way people go on about this.

It is clear how you can use this. You don't need to wait until we have 2 or 3 managers a year. Get right to using it in an "I told you so" moment to educate those that didn't like Jack Ross' football when his worse replacement comes in. If Jack Ross gets sacked the wheels are in motion and you can claim premonition.

[madhatter]

I'd hate to think the club would discriminate against British head coaches. Bringing in the best person for the job regardless of where they are from is surely more important. You've probably ruled out a large proportion of potential candidates with that criterion.

Based on our historical managerial recruitment we've been discriminating against everyone bar British, actually in the main, Scottish persons. What makes a Scottish manager best person for the job? Knowledge of the league?

The English Premier League has become what it has in part due to foreign managers and coaches. Many, if not all, did not have knowledge of the league before they came. Through the years they have redefined how football is played at the top level in England.

Scotland? In dark ages.

[007]

I think like any football club in the world we can go through managers very quickly or very slowly. People talk about stability as if it guarantees success and excitement, McInnes at Aberdeen proves otherwise. How would I possibly know what rate we would go through them? We could get a manager that resonates with the fans or we could get a complete nutcase or we could get another Heckingbottom, who knows?

You talk about "calling for managers to be sacked". That isn't at this stage the problem, very few are actually that vocal. People complain on forums in what is largely a polite manner (other platforms are far far worse). Our attendances will be a contributing factor in any manager's tenure, like at any football club. In my time following Hibs I've rarely seen this pitchfork mentality people make out on here. Hibs has, and continues to be a fairly easy ride in my opinion. Failures against the top sides in our league are commonly forgiven or justified based on history - we've been historically rotten so we excuse managers for continuing the rotten trend. The same goes for league placement and cup competitions. We are historically rotten so "give them time" and "we can't keep changing managers" are the calls. I can name a few managers that have led us backwards after a European qualification year, they had time, they had success but we went backwards.

You cannot criticise fans or blame fans for a manager to get sacked because they no longer like watching Hibs. It's up to fans if they want to turn up to ER. That's like saying a series of films having different directors is due to the fans not receiving the films well. Surely its the case that the films were rubbish more than fans being responsible for their reception? This narrative that Hibs fans are out with pitchforks is complete exaggeration. We've heard boos after an awful performance but have we sung "sacked in the morning" recently? Jack Ross has had a relatively smooth ride at Hibs in comparison to how his critics are talked about on here. You'd think he's had a torrid time at ER for months or something the way people go on about this.

It is clear how you can use this. You don't need to wait until we have 2 or 3 managers a year. Get right to using it in an "I told you so" moment to educate those that didn't like Jack Ross' football when his worse replacement comes in. If Jack Ross gets sacked the wheels are in motion and you can claim premonition.

If I'd said Jack Ross shouldn't be sacked because the next person will be worse then you'd have a point but I didn't so you don't.

[madhatter]

If I'd said Jack Ross shouldn't be sacked because the next person will be worse then you'd have a point but I didn't so you don't.

Well, that's not strictly true. You've concocted the notion that a certain portion of fans, "If they had their way we'd get through 2 or 3 managers every year.".

This, going on what has been discussed a lot over this weekend is surely targeted at the fans who you perceived to have jumped on Jack Ross' back immediately after appointment, as some form of duty within the "I told you so" brigade you talk about.

Using that you can deduce that should Jack Ross be sacked and we end up with a worse manager anything is game with regards to this brigade? Hell, going by the way you talk about them, it's fire vs fire. Jack Ross would be gone and we'd be in a worse position, you don't need to wait for 2 or 3 managers every year, it's their fault, isn't it? Hit them with it.

One can assume that the "I told you so" brigade is not a new group and thus 2 or 3 managers every year and their involvement has already happened previously or is this just a hypothetical stick to trash fellow fans with?

Lastly, who is the leader of the "I told you so" brigade and is there a membership fee?

[007]

Based on our historical managerial recruitment we've been discriminating against everyone bar British, actually in the main, Scottish persons. What makes a Scottish manager best person for the job? Knowledge of the league?

The English Premier League has become what it has in part due to foreign managers and coaches. Many, if not all, did not have knowledge of the league before they came. Through the years they have redefined how football is played at the top level in England.

Scotland? In dark ages.

We may or may not have historically been discriminating against everyone bar British. Unless we know which non-British candidates were rejected in favour of which British candidates it is impossible to say. The point is we shouldn't be discriminating against anyone of any nationality.

Where the candidates come from shouldn't make any difference and they should be judged on all the relevant criteria of which knowledge of the league is one. It is up to the owner how much importance he places on that. I don't think it is the be all and end all.

The English top league has been one of the most watched leagues around the world for a long time so I very much doubt any, never mind "many, if not all", did not have knowledge of the league before they came.

[007]

Well, that's not strictly true. You've concocted the notion that a certain portion of fans, "If they had their way we'd get through 2 or 3 managers every year.".

This, going on what has been discussed a lot over this weekend is surely targeted at the fans who you perceived to have jumped on Jack Ross' back immediately after appointment, as some form of duty within the "I told you so" brigade you talk about.

Using that you can deduce that should Jack Ross be sacked and we end up with a worse manager anything is game with regards to this brigade? Hell, going by the way you talk about them, it's fire vs fire. Jack Ross would be gone and we'd be in a worse position, you don't need to wait for 2 or 3 managers every year, it's their fault, isn't it? Hit them with it.

One can assume that the "I told you so" brigade is not a new group and thus 2 or 3 managers every year and their involvement has already happened previously or is this just a hypothetical stick to trash fellow fans with?

Lastly, who is the leader of the "I told you so" brigade and is there a membership fee?

I'm saying that when a manager is appointed there are often several who don't want him and their minds have already been made up. It doesn't take much before they're saying how they've never taken to him or how they didn't want him in the 1st place, if they're not straight out calling for him to be sacked.

We haven't been getting a new manager as soon as some people have started calling for a change therefore you are incorrect. I said "If they had their way...". "If" being a big clue it was hypothetical.

You aren't averse to trashing fellow fans yourself.

[Pretty Boy]

Some people really take the opinions of people they don't know on a football forum far too seriously. About half a dozen of you seem genuinely angry FFS.

I can't remember what I had for my tea last night never mind what Hibsrthebest1973 posted in January.

[Peevemor]

Some people really take the opinions of people they don't know on a football forum far too seriously. About half a dozen of you seem genuinely angry FFS.

I can't remember what I had for my tea last night never mind what Hibsrthebest1973 posted in January.

Nice dig. Cheers.

[madhatter]

I'm saying that when a manager is appointed there are often several who don't want him and their minds have already been made up. It doesn't take much before they're saying how they've never taken to him or how they didn't want him in the 1st place, if they're not straight out calling for him to be sacked.

We haven't been getting a new manager as soon as some people have started calling for a change therefore you are incorrect. I said "If they had their way...". "If" being a big clue it was hypothetical.

You aren't averse to trashing fellow fans yourself.

Ah, a hypthotetical thrash it is. Fair enough.

I think you'll find I commonly reply to clear attempts trying to thrash people they perceive as being negative. Hypothetical or not.

Some of the ways paying fans get talked about on here is honestly disgraceful. We are talked about as if we are simpletons and some sort of cretins that will cause the downfall of the football club.

Seems to be a theme of "come on Hibs, win so we shut them up" on here tbh and strangely enough it's a positive...

If you think any manager was sacked because fans on a forum didn't like him then its honestly ridiculous. Managers, in the main, get sacked because of results and attendances.

What is the debate even? If its hypothetical then... I think, if "they" got their way, we'd never sack a manager, they'd love our new manager no matter what, and want to give him time as that's always the problem. I think "they" will want the manager kept until we are relegated. Is this the correct way to debate? Loose hypothetical scenarios about a "people" or "they" component of our support?

[Since452]

If we sack a manager every time we have a poor run of results then we'll build nothing. Starting from scratch every couple of seasons.

Let's see how he gets on with a full squad to choose from and someone not making a balls up of the transfer window. He has more than enough credit in the bank to give him that.

[chrisski33]

Its all hypothetical anyway as Ross not going anywhere soon

[blackpoolhibs]

I wouldn’t want McInnes but I’d be stunned if JR managed to match what McInnes done at Aberdeen whilst at Hibs. He finished top 4 about 7 seasons in a row with 3 top 2 finishes in a row.

I would hate for him to be here but he’s a very good manager at a certain style of football.

Basically, you don't want anyone who's successful. :hmmm:

[Hiber-nation]

Basically, you don't want anyone who's successful. :hmmm:

Definitely a chin-scratcher. Mr 10 usernames.

[Perfect Hatrick]

Look at who was in the league - or more importantly who wasn’t - when McInnes was on that streak.

To be fair if that’s ever suggested as part of the reason we finished third last season it’s immediately shot down.

Regardless of who was in the league and who wasn’t they finished above everybody that they should have 3 seasons in a row. They finished above us numerous times, hearts numerous times and even Rangers.

[Perfect Hatrick]

Basically, you don't want anyone who's successful. :hmmm:

Because I wouldn’t want McInnes I wouldn’t want anybody successful? :confused:

[Greenbeard]

His peg will be very shoogly if we slip to bottom six and don't get at least four points from the Ross County and Livvie games before the semi. (Anything from Wednesday will be a bonus - no expectations on current form.)
Surprised Calum Davidson not had a mention.
Or yon woman who presents Naked Attraction on the telly. She is good at sorting out a bunch of fannies.

[Jones28]

To be fair if that’s ever suggested as part of the reason we finished third last season it’s immediately shot down.

Regardless of who was in the league and who wasn’t they finished above everybody that they should have 3 seasons in a row. They finished above us numerous times, hearts numerous times and even Rangers.

They had 3 seasons without us, 4 without rangers and 1 without Hearts. That's got to count for something in this discussion. Yes they did finish above Rangers one of those seasons as well and fair play to them, but it was hardly the same rangers team that won the league last season.

They also ballsed it up and Motherwell finished second above them one of the seasons, I think anyone would expect Aberdeen to finish above them.

[90274]

They also ballsed it up and Motherwell finished second above them one of the seasons, I think anyone would expect Aberdeen to finish above them.

Was that the season cut short by COVID when Hearts were relegated too?

[Jones28]

Was that the season cut short by COVID when Hearts were relegated too?

No, it was the season Motherwell beat them on the last day to finish second.

Aberdeen 0 - 1 Motherwell - Match Report & Highlights (skysports.com) (https://www.skysports.com/football/aberdeen-vs-motherwell/310742)

Think it's the same season we got relegated.

[Perfect Hatrick]

They had 3 seasons without us, 4 without rangers and 1 without Hearts. That's got to count for something in this discussion. Yes they did finish above Rangers one of those seasons as well and fair play to them, but it was hardly the same rangers team that won the league last season.

They also ballsed it up and Motherwell finished second above them one of the seasons, I think anyone would expect Aberdeen to finish above them.

It counts for nothing when it’s mentioned as part of the reason we finished third last season (not that I agree with it when people say it btw, I couldn’t care less who was in the league, finishing third was a good achievement regardless). It would seem strange for it to count for something for other managers.

Hearts came back into the league and they finished 2nd twice. Hearts and Rangers were back in the league and they finished 2nd. Hearts, Rangers and Hibs were back in the league and they finished 3rd. From when McInnes took over to when he left they never finished below Hearts or Hibs once. He done a good job at Aberdeen imo. His football was dreadful though and was ultimately his undoing.

[Moulin Yarns]

Or yon woman who presents Naked Attraction on the telly. She is good at sorting out a bunch of fannies.

Not sure about her as manager, but if hibs.net needs a new administrator 🤔😉

[Pretty Boy]

My last post was needlessly flippant but the general theme of it stands.

This whole argument has for some time been dominated by the extremes and I think it has led to the massive middle ground being largely ignored. The more entrenched your own thinking becomes the harder it is to see the middle ground because you get further and further away from it. Reading through the forum it seems the hardcore 'Ross out' stance is still largely the preserve of a minority. Equally the vociferous defence of Ross is likewise. The back and forth sarcasm, sniping and repetitive posting of exactly the same points makes it seem like there is far more polarisation than there is. It's actually a very small number of people involved in the debates such as they are.

My experience of the argument outside the niche world of the football forum is completely different to what I read on here. I don't know anyone who is actively calling for Ross to go, equally I don't know many who really seem to like him either. The consensus seems to be 'it's boring but it's been effective so what do you do?' I'm sure not everyone agrees with that as we all like different things from our football . It's certainly where I am. I'm not at all invested in Ross because ultimately as a fan football is about entertainment value as well as results but equally I'd struggle to build any case to sack him that would stand up to scrutiny. what do you do?

I've made the point before that on a platform that relies on the written form extreme views and views you don't agree with stand out more than those you do, they certainly provoke more reaction. If I read something I agree with I'm unlikely to respond unless I have something I feel is worthwhile to add. What else is there to say beyond the cliches? 'This forum should have a like button', 'this', 'best post on the thread', ':top marks'. If I read something I disagree with there is scope to respond because there in my opinion there is a counter argument to be presented. That creates an environment in which it seems conflict is the norm but it really isn't. It also leads to more extreme language being used at both ends of the spectrum. Over the last 18 months Hibs have been neither a 'shambles' nor 'sublime'. Both phrases used to describe us in the last couple of days.

When all is said and done I'm not sure posts on here really have any bearing on the mood of the entire fanbase. I'd suggest the fact the Hibs crowd still present at the end of the Dundee Utd game barely troubled 4 figures is more indicative of that, in the moment at any rate. The prevailing mood on here most definitely doesn't influence decisions made by the club. If a few people post 'Ross out' then it isn't making any tangible difference. It's supposed to be a place for a bit of banter, robust debate and the odd crap pun. If it's making people angry enough that they are casting stuff up from months back or getting genuinely agitated about opposing views then maybe it's time to think about whether it is worth it. I've been there so I'm not slagging anyone because that would show a real lack of self awareness. A wee break or a more light hearted take on things can work wonders.

[Hiber-nation]

My experience of the argument outside the niche world of the football forum is completely different to what I read on here. I don't know anyone who is actively calling for Ross to go, equally I don't know many who really seem to like him either. The consensus seems to be 'it's boring but it's been effective so what do you do?' I'm sure not everyone agrees with that as we all like different things from our football . It's certainly where I am. I'm not at all invested in Ross because ultimately as a fan football is about entertainment value as well as results but equally I'd struggle to build any case to sack him that would stand up to scrutiny. what do you do?


I said the same myself at the end of last season and was slaughtered by a few on here. I had no idea why at the time and the point still stands.

[Moulin Yarns]

Pretty boy IS the woman who presents Naked Attraction 😉

[Brightside]

Definitely a chin-scratcher. Mr 10 usernames.

There is no way BH has the ability to keep 10 usernames on the go.

[chippy]

Very early in his career and wouldn’t want too spoil our love affair with the guy, watching sportscene the now and Marvin Bartley talks a great game
And Would give players confidence

i think Marvin is potentially our next manager. Probably not yet though as I think Jack will get the opportunity to refresh the squad in January and possibly the summer. Does depend if we start plummeting down the league then things may be brought forward

[Hiber-nation]

There is no way BH has the ability to keep 10 usernames on the go.

:thumbsup:

[Peevemor]

My last post was needlessly flippant but the general theme of it stands.

This whole argument has for some time been dominated by the extremes and I think it has led to the massive middle ground being largely ignored. The more entrenched your own thinking becomes the harder it is to see the middle ground because you get further and further away from it. Reading through the forum it seems the hardcore 'Ross out' stance is still largely the preserve of a minority. Equally the vociferous defence of Ross is likewise. The back and forth sarcasm, sniping and repetitive posting of exactly the same points makes it seem like there is far more polarisation than there is. It's actually a very small number of people involved in the debates such as they are.

My experience of the argument outside the niche world of the football forum is completely different to what I read on here. I don't know anyone who is actively calling for Ross to go, equally I don't know many who really seem to like him either. The consensus seems to be 'it's boring but it's been effective so what do you do?' I'm sure not everyone agrees with that as we all like different things from our football . It's certainly where I am. I'm not at all invested in Ross because ultimately as a fan football is about entertainment value as well as results but equally I'd struggle to build any case to sack him that would stand up to scrutiny. what do you do?

I've made the point before that on a platform that relies on the written form extreme views and views you don't agree with stand out more than those you do, they certainly provoke more reaction. If I read something I agree with I'm unlikely to respond unless I have something I feel is worthwhile to add. What else is there to say beyond the cliches? 'This forum should have a like button', 'this', 'best post on the thread', ':top marks'. If I read something I disagree with there is scope to respond because there in my opinion there is a counter argument to be presented. That creates an environment in which it seems conflict is the norm but it really isn't. It also leads to more extreme language being used at both ends of the spectrum. Over the last 18 months Hibs have been neither a 'shambles' nor 'sublime'. Both phrases used to describe us in the last couple of days.

When all is said and done I'm not sure posts on here really have any bearing on the mood of the entire fanbase. I'd suggest the fact the Hibs crowd still present at the end of the Dundee Utd game barely troubled 4 figures is more indicative of that, in the moment at any rate. The prevailing mood on here most definitely doesn't influence decisions made by the club. If a few people post 'Ross out' then it isn't making any tangible difference. It's supposed to be a place for a bit of banter, robust debate and the odd crap pun. If it's making people angry enough that they are casting stuff up from months back or getting genuinely agitated about opposing views then maybe it's time to think about whether it is worth it. I've been there so I'm not slagging anyone because that would show a real lack of self awareness. A wee break or a more light hearted take on things can work wonders.

Surely you can be somewhere in the middle ground yet still disagree strongly with statements made by those at the extremes? And there are a few regular posters on here who struggle to give JR any credit at all when things are OK, yet you can't miss them when there's the opportunity to have a pop. I'm not saying that they have a "bearing on the mood of the entire fanbase", but they certainly try to set the tone on here.

[Brightside]

i think Marvin is potentially our next manager. Probably not yet though as I think Jack will get the opportunity to refresh the squad in January and possibly the summer. Does depend if we start plummeting down the league then things may be brought forward

Not a chance we’d have Marvin as our manager any time soon.

[hibeerealist]

I don't need to do a survey. I read plenty of plaudits on here, including a good few that were admitting to changing their mind and coming 'round to Jack Ross.

You can use selective amnesia and ridiculous arguments to pick holes in what I said if you want. I really don't care.

I know what I read on here with my own eyes.


Genius :not worth

[Since452]

i think Marvin is potentially our next manager. Probably not yet though as I think Jack will get the opportunity to refresh the squad in January and possibly the summer. Does depend if we start plummeting down the league then things may be brought forward

Bartley or Marvin from JLS? Both have about the same chance of becoming the next Hibs manager.

[Dr What If?]

I'm not in the Ross out camp, he is the manager but even Sir Alex would struggle without the right support and a threadbare squad ....hopefully that is being addressed.

In a post Ross era however, I'm with the foreign experiment brigade. Two countries I've always admired are Holland and Denmark. Players can be both athletic and skillful, they can be experts in their positions but still read what is happening elsewhere on the park and react to it. Neither countries have huge populations but can punch their weight against the Germany's and England's....countries with player pools much bigger and with financial resources well in excess of what they have.

Whatever the Danes and the Dutch are doing I want to see us doing.

[madhatter]

Surely you can be somewhere in the middle ground yet still disagree strongly with statements made by those at the extremes? And there are a few regular posters on here who struggle to give JR any credit at all when things are OK, yet you can't miss them when there's the opportunity to have a pop. I'm not saying that they have a "bearing on the mood of the entire fanbase", but they certainly try to set the tone on here.

So only certain people create a "tone" on here...

The debates here are like arguing with kids. I know I contribute to that but after a good description from Pretty Boy of how it works here you pretty much follow up with a sibling style finger pointing. The extremes largely dominate any long running debat, that's it. Loving a player no matter what or wanting a manager sacked, doesn't matter.

I'm not actually a mad Jack Ross out guy either. I'm not happy where we are going with him. Maybe if he stays he will turn it round. To think by me sharing my opinion of him is setting a "tone" and others alike need silenced, well we really are getting into a troublesome space.

Anyway, Pretty Boy was right - I'm off.

[007]

Ah, a hypthotetical thrash it is. Fair enough.

I think you'll find I commonly reply to clear attempts trying to thrash people they perceive as being negative. Hypothetical or not.

Some of the ways paying fans get talked about on here is honestly disgraceful. We are talked about as if we are simpletons and some sort of cretins that will cause the downfall of the football club.

Seems to be a theme of "come on Hibs, win so we shut them up" on here tbh and strangely enough it's a positive...

If you think any manager was sacked because fans on a forum didn't like him then its honestly ridiculous. Managers, in the main, get sacked because of results and attendances.

What is the debate even? If its hypothetical then... I think, if "they" got their way, we'd never sack a manager, they'd love our new manager no matter what, and want to give him time as that's always the problem. I think "they" will want the manager kept until we are relegated. Is this the correct way to debate? Loose hypothetical scenarios about a "people" or "they" component of our support?

No. The 2 or 3 managers a year is hypothetical, the criticism (or trash/thrash as you call it) of fans wanting a manager sacked IMO way too early isn't. Nothing hypothetical in that.

You seem to have taken issue with my use of the phrase "I told you so brigade" yet earlier up the thread you have twice called people with an opposing view point "happy clappers". I'd say calling fellow fans happy clappers is a description that could be considered similar to calling them simpletons. In what way have fans been talked about as if they are cretins? Several of your posts contain very sarcastic comments which could be viewed as patronising and treating people as if they are cretins.

Some of the ways managers and players get talked about at times is often far more disgraceful than how other fans get talked about.

I'm not one who thinks "come on Hibs, win so we shut them up" but I would say that people wanting Hibs to win and therefore stopping other people being negative is a positive thing. Strange how any fan wouldn't and some even would rather Hibs lost so a manager gets sacked quicker.

I agree a manager being sacked is in the main about results. However, if you think fans' opinions of when a manager should be sacked has never had any influence whatsoever on when a manager is actually sacked then that is ridiculous.

I'm debating that some fans are too quick to think we should change the manager and in JR's case I'd say 10 league games into the season that the results aren't bad enough to say he should be sacked. Do you think he should be? I've also said that some say at the outset that a manager (and it is done with players too) isn't good enough and at a later date say they said so all along. Are you saying this never happens? I can stop using the phrase I did if it's causing offence but I won't stop disagreeing with any who I think are saying we should get rid of a manager (or player), if I think it's too soon.

You pull me up about using "Loose hypothetical scenarios about a "people" or "they" component of our support?" Yet you yourself talk about components of our support in a similar generalised way. Just because you've not used the terms "people" or "they" it doesn't mean you aren't doing it too.

What is wrong with saying hypothetically we'd get through a lot of managers if those who I think are too quick to want a manager sacked got what they wanted right away?

[flash]

So only certain people create a "tone" on here...

The debates here are like arguing with kids. I know I contribute to that but after a good description from Pretty Boy of how it works here you pretty much follow up with a sibling style finger pointing. The extremes largely dominate any long running debat, that's it. Loving a player no matter what or wanting a manager sacked, doesn't matter.

I'm not actually a mad Jack Ross out guy either. I'm not happy where we are going with him. Maybe if he stays he will turn it round. To think by me sharing my opinion of him is setting a "tone" and others alike need silenced, well we really are getting into a troublesome space.

Anyway, Pretty Boy was right - I'm off.

No need for that. It wouldn't be much of a forum if there weren't different opinions.
I don't often agree with you but I still enjoy your posts if that makes sense.

[Peevemor]

So only certain people create a "tone" on here...

The debates here are like arguing with kids. I know I contribute to that but after a good description from Pretty Boy of how it works here you pretty much follow up with a sibling style finger pointing. The extremes largely dominate any long running debat, that's it. Loving a player no matter what or wanting a manager sacked, doesn't matter.

I'm not actually a mad Jack Ross out guy either. I'm not happy where we are going with him. Maybe if he stays he will turn it round. To think by me sharing my opinion of him is setting a "tone" and others alike need silenced, well we really are getting into a troublesome space.

Anyway, Pretty Boy was right - I'm off.

Where did I say that? You love putting words in my mouth don't you?

[IncredibleHibee]

I generally agree with PB in that I have my grumbles about Ross, his tactical awareness/ability but at the moment at least, no one springs to mind who I would be clamoring to replace him with. So I'm a bit indifferent to Ross. He's certainly not done a bad job but obviously everyone wants more than that.

One thing that is for certain is 0 shots on targets over two games against Dundee Utd and Aberdeen is unacceptable. The hoof ball approach against Dundee Utd was mind boggling as played right into their hands. This happened for 90 mins and Ross did nothing to change the approach, which I find strange.

Quality reinforcements in January will help but my niggling feeling is Ross isn't as tactically aware as I would like our manager to be. Again, in saying this, is there anyone I would like to replace him at this time? Probably not

[silverhibee]

I don't think we'll be changing manager anytime soon.

It's inevitably going to happen at some point though and when it does I'd like us to appoint a foreign manager. With the exception of Ireland the only non UK managers we had were a guy who played most of his career in Scotland and the ill fated Sauzee experiment.

Someone coming in with a totally new mindset and a fresh pair of eyes on the Scottish game would suit me just fine.

I like Goodwin and I like the way he has St Mirren playing but it's not the job for him now. He would start with the 'another ex St Mirren' tag. Shaun Maloneys name keeps coming up when Scottish jobs become available but I'm not really sure why. I know he is coaching with Belgium but that doesn't really give any indication of his suitability as a manager. It would be a big 1st job for him and a risk for us.

I’m the one who will be mentioning Maloney, got to start somewhere and his experience with Belgium would be a massive bonus, knows the Scottish game inside out, will have good contacts in the game, well respected by the Belgium players, Gerard has been a good 1st appointment for the thes, can’t see why Maloney would be any different for us.

[GreenCastle]

I’m the one who will be mentioning Maloney, got to start somewhere and his experience with Belgium would be a massive bonus, knows the Scottish game inside out, will have good contacts in the game, well respected by the Belgium players, Gerard has been a good 1st appointment for the thes, can’t see why Maloney would be any different for us.

Maloney working with world class players and going to major tournaments to come and manage us - sorry can’t see it happening.