Crystal Palace Fans Banner

[Keith_M]

"Police are carrying out inquiries into a banner unveiled by Crystal Palace fans before Saturday’s 1-1 draw with Newcastle.

The banner, depicting an image of the club’s new Saudi Arabian owners, PIF, about to behead a magpie as faceless fans in the background sang: “We’ve got our club back,” was unfurled by Palace supporters before the 1-1 draw at Selhurst Park."

ARTICLE
(https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/oct/23/callum-wilson-is-the-best-natural-finisher-ive-worked-with)

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[hibsbollah]

I’m not sure why the Met are saying ‘Any allegations of racist abuse will be taken very seriously.”

The Met are notorious for not taking racism seriously. And there is nothing racist in this funny and accurate banner anyway.

[Keith_M]

I’m not sure why the Met are saying ‘Any allegations of racist abuse will be taken very seriously.”

The Met are notorious for not taking racism seriously. And there is nothing racist in this funny and accurate banner anyway.


To discuss racist abuse in this context is the most amazing attempt to distract from the real issue I've ever seen.

Yeah, those poor oppressed Saudi Royals.... diddums!



Anyway, my message to those Palace fans...

https://www.hibs.net/images/smilies/top marks.gif

[Sir David Gray]

I think this banner is spot on and I also believe that attempting to describe it as racist is really poor and simply detracts attention away from incidents which are genuinely racist.

[Eyrie]

If someone (probably a Newcastle fan) has complained then the police have to investigate, particularly given their "relaxed" attitude in the past to geniune racism :dunno:

It should be a very short investigation, as the only illegal thing on that banner is the acts of the Saudi government.

[Weegreenman]

Love it.

I would say that the spot light should not just be on Newcastle and their owners.
If there’s a discussion to be had, let’s talk about your Chelsea’s and your Manchester City’s!
Pretty sure there’s shady goings with quite a few other clubs.

[Keith_M]

If someone (probably a Newcastle fan) has complained then the police have to investigate, particularly given their "relaxed" attitude in the past to geniune racism :dunno:

It should be a very short investigation, as the only illegal thing on that banner is the acts of the Saudi government.



If there actually has been a complaint, then it's only a diversionary tactic.

Using a character in traditional Arabic dress, wielding a sword, to illustrate a certain group of people that wear traditionally Arabic dress and cut people's heads off is hardly a disgusting racial stereotype.

Unless anybody really is stupid enough to believe that this is a disgraceful attempt to portray all Arabs as bad people.... which it quite clearly isn't.

[Keith_M]

Here's a really good article on the Premier League's 'Owners and Directors Test'*, specifying what it actually is and, more importantly, what it isn't


https://www.90min.com/posts/6598196-what-is-the-premier-league-s-owners-directors-test-what-would-it-take-to-fail-it



* This is what was formerly called "The Fit and Proper Person Test", rebranded in 2016

[jacomo]

I’m not sure why the Met are saying ‘Any allegations of racist abuse will be taken very seriously.”

The Met are notorious for not taking racism seriously. And there is nothing racist in this funny and accurate banner anyway.


It’s because a caricature of a sheik is obviously much worse than murdering people and chopping them to pieces.

[Pretty Boy]

It's a well designed banner that makes it's point.

I don't blame Newcastle fans. They are just happy Ashley is gone. They aren't the 1st fans to turn a blind eye to questionable behaviour by their owners.

The takeover makes a complete mockery of the EPLs rules around ownership though. They would be as well just scrapping the fit and proper tests moving forward, they will welcome money from anyone.

[147lothian]

I think this banner is spot on and I also believe that attempting to describe it as racist is really poor and simply detracts attention away from incidents which are genuinely racist.

I have always found the Geordie's a good laugh but I noticed they were being called racist for wearing tea towels on their heads, seems like anything can be called racist these days, anyway I'll give the Palace fan's :top marks

[EI255]

Well done Palace lads [emoji106]

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[Pretty Boy]

I have always found the Geordie's a good laugh but I noticed they were being called racist for wearing tea towels on their heads, seems like anything can be called racist these days, anyway I'll give the Palace fan's :top marks

I'm not sure of the coverage elsewhere regarding the headwear but the official release from Newcastle as a club made no mention of racism. It was advised that it could be seen as 'culturally insensitive' which seems fair enough to me.

There was a similar issue years ago when Saudi Arabia qualified for the World Cup. Their flag was emblazoned on a bottle of beer (it may have been Budweiser but it's really irrelevant). They asked if it could be removed as it contains sacred text and Islam forbids the consumption of alcohol.

I'm anything but a lover of the Saudi regime but neither of the above requests seems particularly unreasonable.

[Moulin Yarns]

I have always found the Geordie's a good laugh but I noticed they were being called racist for wearing tea towels on their heads, seems like anything can be called racist these days, anyway I'll give the Palace fan's :top marks

Was the same accusation made towards Dundee United fans when they dressed as Arabs?

[Bostonhibby]

Always liked Palace, the club fans and ground, used to go there occasionally when based in Bromley.

Like them more now.

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[Dr What If?]

Here's a really good article on the Premier League's 'Owners and Directors Test'*, specifying what it actually is and, more importantly, what it isn't


https://www.90min.com/posts/6598196-what-is-the-premier-league-s-owners-directors-test-what-would-it-take-to-fail-it



* This is what was formerly called "The Fit and Proper Person Test", rebranded in 2016

Reading that makes me not want to watch another football game ever, particularly where it talks about FIFA. The police looking into that banner just strikes me as mad....is it meant to scare people off from talking about human rights? Scare fans off from not wanting the game they love to support these atrocities? Well if that was the plan, well done, it has its own thread on this site and probably every other fans site in the country.

[Torto7]

It's a well designed banner that makes it's point.

I don't blame Newcastle fans. They are just happy Ashley is gone. They aren't the 1st fans to turn a blind eye to questionable behaviour by their owners.

The takeover makes a complete mockery of the EPLs rules around ownership though. They would be as well just scrapping the fit and proper tests moving forward, they will welcome money from anyone.

Of course. That's how the UK operates as a whole turn a blind eye. All that shady money that goes through the city employing all those accountants etc. The government needs money in the country with the mess of Brexit and are more than happy to have the Saudis in the Prem League and spending money in the North East. There will be even more beefed up arms deals after this as well I'd presume. Scotland's no different albeit at a lower scale. Plenty of our clubs have been washing money for years for Drug dealers allegedly. Look how close boxing is to the Kinahans. They have substantial business dealings in Scotland with some seriously dodgy individuals. The whole countries corrupt and always has been.

[Torto7]

Reading that makes me not want to watch another football game ever, particularly where it talks about FIFA. The police looking into that banner just strikes me as mad....is it meant to scare people off from talking about human rights? Scare fans off from not wanting the game they love to support these atrocities? Well if that was the plan, well done, it has its own thread on this site and probably every other fans site in the country.

That's exactly what its designed to do. Remember these are the same people that will talk about show racism the red card and BLM whilst kissing the ass of regimes that treat black African migrants as slaves. They're all chancers and bluffers. Their only moral compass is more.

[hibee-boys]

We’ll done Palace fans! Unfortunately the racism card gets played when there is no other defence these days. Would I want our club financed by Saudi money? I’d honestly rather see us struggling in the lowland league.

[Swedish hibee]

Palace fans👍👍👍

[Killiehibbie]

The need for more money to keep it all going will always be placed above who the money belongs to or where they got it.

[Just_Jimmy]

The only objection the Palace fans have is that it's Newcastle and not them.

Newcastle would be miffed at the human rights issue if it was someone else.

Hypocrisy is strong in football.

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[gbhibby]

Football politics and religion mixing, whatever next!

[AliboyFC]

"Police are carrying out inquiries into a banner unveiled by Crystal Palace fans before Saturday’s 1-1 draw with Newcastle.

The banner, depicting an image of the club’s new Saudi Arabian owners, PIF, about to behead a magpie as faceless fans in the background sang: “We’ve got our club back,” was unfurled by Palace supporters before the 1-1 draw at Selhurst Park."

ARTICLE
(https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/oct/23/callum-wilson-is-the-best-natural-finisher-ive-worked-with)

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Everything is considered racist these days.

[CockneyRebel]

Palace fans👍👍👍


Aw shucks!

[ekhibee]

Did Shearer have anything to say about it on MOTD?

[Tommy75]

Of course. That's how the UK operates as a whole turn a blind eye. All that shady money that goes through the city employing all those accountants etc. The government needs money in the country with the mess of Brexit and are more than happy to have the Saudis in the Prem League and spending money in the North East. There will be even more beefed up arms deals after this as well I'd presume. Scotland's no different albeit at a lower scale. Plenty of our clubs have been washing money for years for Drug dealers allegedly. Look how close boxing is to the Kinahans. They have substantial business dealings in Scotland with some seriously dodgy individuals. The whole countries corrupt and always has been.

What has Brexit got to do with it?

[Killiehibbie]

What has Brexit got to do with it?

Some people reckon one of the reasons for Brexit was to make sure the new EU money laundering laws don't apply in the UK

[mcohibs]

Everything is considered racist these days.

Care to elaborate?

[Eyrie]

Unsurprisingly, the police have confirmed that they will not be taking any action (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59042671) because no offence was committed.

[Andy74]

Was the same accusation made towards Dundee United fans when they dressed as Arabs?

The Arabs thing certainly these days would / should be considered culturally insensitive.

There's 2 stories about how the name for the Utd fans came about - one relating to a sandy pitch that has been more or less rubbished and another from a fan who used to lead the signing and who looked a bit like the Egyptian leader, Nasser shouting 'I am Nasser and you are my Arabs' and it stuck. Pretty sure that's not really an appropriate way any more to represent another culture.

[Rumble de Thump]

The Arabs thing certainly these days would / should be considered culturally insensitive.

There's 2 stories about how the name for the Utd fans came about - one relating to a sandy pitch that has been more or less rubbished and another from a fan who used to lead the signing and who looked a bit like the Egyptian leader, Nasser shouting 'I am Nasser and you are my Arabs' and it stuck. Pretty sure that's not really an appropriate way any more to represent another culture.

The first story was rubbished by someone who said he was told the second story by someone else. Case closed :greengrin

[Torto7]

Some people reckon one of the reasons for Brexit was to make sure the new EU money laundering laws don't apply in the UK

I don't think that it's obvious. The Conservatives held the anti EU brigade as nutters and fringe loons for years then the square mile was threatened by the new EU money laundering and tax evasion laws and suddenly the slime ball Cameron gets pressed by his masters to propose a referendum.

Why is the square mile not subject to parliamentary law for example?

[Keith_M]

Unsurprisingly, the police have confirmed that they will not be taking any action (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59042671) because no offence was committed.


Shockerooni!

[Irish_Steve]

I wonder if they played a certain track by The Cure.

[allmodcons]

"Police are carrying out inquiries into a banner unveiled by Crystal Palace fans before Saturday’s 1-1 draw with Newcastle.

The banner, depicting an image of the club’s new Saudi Arabian owners, PIF, about to behead a magpie as faceless fans in the background sang: “We’ve got our club back,” was unfurled by Palace supporters before the 1-1 draw at Selhurst Park."

ARTICLE
(https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/oct/23/callum-wilson-is-the-best-natural-finisher-ive-worked-with)

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It gets a big thumbs up from me.

Horrible regime.

[jacomo]

I wonder if they played a certain track by The Cure.


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This is the inevitable precursor to issuing a statement next week saying that the investigation has been dropped as ‘no offence has been committed’.