Newell and JDH

[AugustaHibs]

Absolutely hopeless.


Would love to know what these two bring? Half the time the centre halves have the ball they two are running away rather than showing for it.

Cowardly performance and unfortunately not the first time.

[Chorley Hibee]

Said the same in relation to Newell in another thread, and JDH has been as poor since his return to the side.

[madhatter]

Contrary what others said last week, they hold each others hands and stand in front of the defence. There was a moment in the 2nd half that showed it perfectly, they bumped into each other while being 5 yards in front of Hanlon.

[B.H.F.C]

Safe. Jack Ross type players. Pass it square. Or back.

[A Hi-Bee]

Should only ever be one or the other in the same team, what has happened to Gogic

:flag:

[Smartie]

This is often the key to a team's fortunes - getting the ball from defence into midfield and building from there.

I remember Liam Miller and Kevin McBride has a great little spell and then for some reason it seemed to fall apart for them.

Very often we put our weakest performances in when it breaks down in this key area.

I didn't think JDH was all that bad today, he was taking a bit of responsibility in the first half when everyone around him was going into their shells. Newell though was abysmal today, possibly his worst performance for the club. Such a frustrating player and capable of great moments when you're on top. He's just so hot and cold though, and has a habit of going missing when we're putting in our worst performances.

The balance of the midfield looked much improved with Magennis making his mark earlier this season. It's gone to pot again since he got injured.

[tamig]

Absolutely hopeless.


Would love to know what these two bring? Half the time the centre halves have the ball they two are running away rather than showing for it.

Cowardly performance and unfortunately not the first time.

They’re far from hopeless. They were excellent earlier in the season in a three with Magennis. Magennis being out injured has hurt our midfield badly.

[jeffers]

This is often the key to a team's fortunes - getting the ball from defence into midfield and building from there.

I remember Liam Miller and Kevin McBride has a great little spell and then for some reason it seemed to fall apart for them.

Very often we put our weakest performances in when it breaks down in this key area.

I didn't think JDH was all that bad today, he was taking a bit of responsibility in the first half when everyone around him was going into their shells. Newell though was abysmal today, possibly his worst performance for the club. Such a frustrating player and capable of great moments when you're on top. He's just so hot and cold though, and has a habit of going missing when we're putting in our worst performances.

The balance of the midfield looked much improved with Magennis making his mark earlier this season. It's gone to pot again since he got injured.

I thought Newell was honking last week too, but he’s a Ross favourite, appears undroppable. I agree with your summary of him, find him very frustrating as on his game he’s absolutely got ability.

[SaulGoodman]

When I first saw JDH I thought we had found the missing piece in midfield. He’d pick the ball up, immediately turn and pass the ball forward.

Now he picks it up and does the same as the rest of the midfield, turns like a aircraft carrier and passes it back to the defence.

Has it been coached out of him?

[Hiber-nation]

When I first saw JDH I thought we had found the missing piece in midfield. He’d pick the ball up, immediately turn and pass the ball forward.

Now he picks it up and does the same as the rest of the midfield, turns like a aircraft carrier and passes it back to the defence.

Has it been coached out of him?

Now I was wondering this earlier. It's an astonishing drop in form to be honest, I actually thought we had found the answer to most of our problems but he is fast becoming a big problem.

Newell is Newell. Infuriating.

[CL0762]

Sent this in a group chat earlier, that’s our 2 central midfielders at 1-0 down with about 20-25 mins to go. There was absolutely zero drive about them today to take the ball and move us 15/20 yards up the park. JDH looked brilliant when the season started & since his bout of illness has looked a million miles away from the player he was. I don’t even want to start on how poor Newell was today.


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[Alfred E Newman]

I thought Newell was honking last week too, but he’s a Ross favourite, appears undroppable. I agree with your summary of him, find him very frustrating as on his game he’s absolutely got ability.

Newell is a nice footballer. Unfortunately that’s it. No aggression, no pace , no goal threat , just nice.

[CMurdoch]

When McGinn left Hibs the arse fell out the midfield.
It was relatively poor until Magennis this season.
Once Magennis is back the midfield will be fine again.

Nisbet,Doidge and Boyle were a good striking team
We lost Doidge and the arse fell out of the attack.
He will return in a month and it will be sorted.

Porteous and Hanlon were a good centre half partnership.
We lost Porteous for two games and have struggled with a new partnership.
When he returns on Wednesday it will improve again.

Unlike Man City we can't just get another top player out the cupboard when we lose one.
Hopefully our resilience will start to improve with the Doidge & Magennis return in a month followed a month later by Muellers arrival.
The guy from Raith Rovers might be okay and Hallberg and Mackie might even return from injury by Christmas.

[500miles]

The both of them together are too passive. We really need someone to drive on with the ball at thier feet, and make runs beyond. Newell has looked so slow. Our forwards got no service, and I thought taking off Gullan instead of them was a mistake when Allan would have helped feed him and Nisbet

[Jones28]

When McGinn left Hibs the arse fell out the midfield.
It was relatively poor until Magennis this season.
Once Magennis is back the midfield will be fine again.

Nisbet,Doidge and Boyle were a good striking team
We lost Doidge and the arse fell out of the attack.
He will return in a month and it will be sorted.

Porteous and Hanlon were a good centre half partnership.
We lost Porteous for two games and have struggled with a new partnership.
When he returns on Wednesday it will improve again.

Unlike Man City we can't just get another top player out the cupboard when we lose one.

👍🏻👍🏻

[Since90+2]

Sent this in a group chat earlier, that’s our 2 central midfielders at 1-0 down with about 20-25 mins to go. There was absolutely zero drive about them today to take the ball and move us 15/20 yards up the park. JDH looked brilliant when the season started & since his bout of illness has looked a million miles away from the player he was. I don’t even want to start on how poor Newell was today.


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Looks about where 2 centre midfielders should be be to be honest. Newell has dropped deep which means the Aberdeen forward has dropped in to pick him up leaving space for Darren to progress into the space into an attacking position. JDH is about 10-15 yards further forward than his centre midfield partner so they are both not square on.

If Newell isn't where he is standing then the Aberdeen forward is covering Darren which means he doesn't have the space to move forward into and likely plays a pass either sideways or more likely backwards to the deeper center half.

[madhatter]

When McGinn left Hibs the arse fell out the midfield.
It was relatively poor until Magennis this season.
Once Magennis is back the midfield will be fine again.

Nisbet,Doidge and Boyle were a good striking team
We lost Doidge and the arse fell out of the attack.
He will return in a month and it will be sorted.

Porteous and Hanlon were a good centre half partnership.
We lost Porteous for two games and have struggled with a new partnership.
When he returns on Wednesday it will improve again.

Unlike Man City we can't just get another top player out the cupboard when we lose one.

You think Doidge will be back to his best in a month...is he even running yet? We needed a couple fortunate penalties in games Magennis played in to get results so the midfield being "fine" is far from the truth.

Porteous and Hanlon are an ok partnership but hardly robust. Porteous does stupid things and Hanlon struggled against Clarke last weak and he isn't a particularly physical striker.

[Real Emerald]

When I first saw JDH I thought we had found the missing piece in midfield. He’d pick the ball up, immediately turn and pass the ball forward.

Now he picks it up and does the same as the rest of the midfield, turns like a aircraft carrier and passes it back to the defence.

Has it been coached out of him?

The majority of the players first thought is who can I pass it backwards to. It usually then ends up in a long punt from Hanlon to no one. The tactics are slow and hopeless once teams have sussed us. We create very little and when we do we have no one to convert them. It’s frustrating to watch and I can’t see the current players turning it around unless we get Doidge, Mcgennis,and Porteous back and Nisbet finds his mojo again.

[Smartie]

When McGinn left Hibs the arse fell out the midfield.
It was relatively poor until Magennis this season.
Once Magennis is back the midfield will be fine again.

Nisbet,Doidge and Boyle were a good striking team
We lost Doidge and the arse fell out of the attack.
He will return in a month and it will be sorted.

Porteous and Hanlon were a good centre half partnership.
We lost Porteous for two games and have struggled with a new partnership.
When he returns on Wednesday it will improve again.

Unlike Man City we can't just get another top player out the cupboard when we lose one.
Hopefully our resilience will start to improve with the Doidge & Magennis return in a month followed a month later by Muellers arrival.
The guy from Raith Rovers might be okay and Hallbaerg and Mackie might even return from injury by Christmas.

These are all very good points.

Although - sometimes you have to find a way to get it done without your best players. Aberdeen managed to find a way today that involved Ojo at RB and Brown at CH.

And there's also a danger imo that the players heads might go down before the mentioned players return.

We've seen players in the past start well, get found out a bit and later struggle. We better hope that thus doesn't affect any of our current supporting cast.

[The Captain....]

They’re far from hopeless. They were excellent earlier in the season in a three with Magennis. Magennis being out injured has hurt our midfield badly.Good point, that and JDH had covid as well. Looks, understandably so, that it's taken him a while to get back to his early season levels.

I get more frustrated by Newell he clearly has ability but doesn't impose himself on games often enough.

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[Since90+2]

These are all very good points.

Although - sometimes you have to find a way to get it done without your best players. Aberdeen managed to find a way today that involved Ojo at RB and Brown at CH.

And there's also a danger imo that the players heads might go down before the mentioned players return.

We've seen players in the past start well, get found out a bit and later struggle. We better hope that thus doesn't affect any of our current supporting cast.

It's the first game Aberdeen have won in about 10 matches. Not sure I'd be using them as an example of anything.

[Smartie]

It's the first game Aberdeen have won in about 10 matches. Not sure I'd be using them as an example of anything.

Right now I think we do need to be learning from pish sides who manage to scrape wins in adversity as that's an improvement on where we currently are.

[Nicho87]

Newell like McGinn has became mr undroppable it seems.

[Since90+2]

Right now I think we do need to be learning from pish sides who manage to scrape wins in adversity as that's an improvement on where we currently are.

Not really if the side you use as an example are on a worse run of form than ourselves. Unless you are using 1 game as the run of form.

[Lago]

Said the same in relation to Newell in another thread, and JDH has been as poor since his return to the side.
Thought JDH was the answer to all our midfield problems?

[Heisenberg]

Can’t play them in a two. We are massively missing Magennis.

[B.H.F.C]

These are all very good points.

Although - sometimes you have to find a way to get it done without your best players. Aberdeen managed to find a way today that involved Ojo at RB and Brown at CH.

And there's also a danger imo that the players heads might go down before the mentioned players return.

We've seen players in the past start well, get found out a bit and later struggle. We better hope that thus doesn't affect any of our current supporting cast.

Imagine us having to win a game without players or player playing out of position! No danger.

We don’t react to adversity. We’re still trying to get over the red card at ibrox.

[CMurdoch]

These are all very good points.

Although - sometimes you have to find a way to get it done without your best players. Aberdeen managed to find a way today that involved Ojo at RB and Brown at CH.

And there's also a danger imo that the players heads might go down before the mentioned players return.

We've seen players in the past start well, get found out a bit and later struggle. We better hope that thus doesn't affect any of our current supporting cast.

I think we have been struggling since the minute we lost Doidge and the loss of Magennis and Porteous have been the final straws that have broken the camels back.
There is simply insufficient resilience in the squad.

[CentreLine]

Newell like McGinn has became mr undroppable it seems.

And when McGinn wasn’t available last week the haters were made to eat their words. Newell is a very decent player with good feet and can pick a pass. Bloody hate when he turns, slows play and passes backwards though.
Every team has one it seems. For Scotland it’s passback McGregor. Fir us it’s Newell

[Not In The Know]

They’re far from hopeless. They were excellent earlier in the season in a three with Magennis. Magennis being out injured has hurt our midfield badly.

great point. Together they don’t work well but with magennis they were great.

[Not In The Know]

When McGinn left Hibs the arse fell out the midfield.
It was relatively poor until Magennis this season.
Once Magennis is back the midfield will be fine again.

Nisbet,Doidge and Boyle were a good striking team
We lost Doidge and the arse fell out of the attack.
He will return in a month and it will be sorted.

Porteous and Hanlon were a good centre half partnership.
We lost Porteous for two games and have struggled with a new partnership.
When he returns on Wednesday it will improve again.

Unlike Man City we can't just get another top player out the cupboard when we lose one.
Hopefully our resilience will start to improve with the Doidge & Magennis return in a month followed a month later by Muellers arrival.
The guy from Raith Rovers might be okay and Hallberg and Mackie might even return from injury by Christmas.


great post.

Personally I’m just frustrated we haven’t progressed from last season. But last season the players you mention were ever present. On the face of it last year we were super lucky with injuries. This year not so. And to state the obvious that’s why Mathie was booted.

the club know what needs done and are trying to do it. Patience is the order of the day but that feels incredibly frustrating when we should be adding to last years success.

[IberianHibernian]

I actually thought JDH was our best player ( not meaning much today ok ) today . Newell is a talented player but I can`t see us being successful ( top 3 , cup finals , atrractive football like 2018 ) with him in team unless we sign some real quality which is unlikely . While talking of midfield , is there any news of Halberg ? I know a lot of folk here don`t rate him but I think we`re missing him and he`d certainly have been a good option today .

[Brooster]

Newell has been annoyingly lazy this last few games. He's touched the ball about 5 times in the last 2 games. Needs dropped.

[CentreLine]

Newell has been annoyingly lazy this last few games. He's touched the ball about 5 times in the last 2 games. Needs dropped.

Are you mistaking him for Nisbet? 🤔

[Dmas]

Newell has been annoyingly lazy this last few games. He's touched the ball about 5 times in the last 2 games. Needs dropped.

He gets enough of the ball it’s just he passes it onto someone behind him so quickly you don’t notice he’s had it

[Brooster]

Are you mistaking him for Nisbet? 🤔

The same could be said about Nisbet right enough but the OP was talking about Newell and JDH who could also be doing more.

[Allant1981]

I actually thought JDH was our best player ( not meaning much today ok ) today . Newell is a talented player but I can`t see us being successful ( top 3 , cup finals , atrractive football like 2018 ) with him in team unless we sign some real quality which is unlikely . While talking of midfield , is there any news of Halberg ? I know a lot of folk here don`t rate him but I think we`re missing him and he`d certainly have been a good option today .

So we finished in the top 3 and cup final with newell in the team so sort of blows your theory out the water

[Allant1981]

He gets enough of the ball it’s just he passes it onto someone behind him so quickly you don’t notice he’s had it

Or it gets passed quickly to free up space as a player is usually right next to him, so in theory someone should be on the move looking for it in the space created

[Greenworld]

Are you mistaking him for Nisbet? [emoji848]As well as ...i would say ..
Its like the team are bored thats what im seeing. Are players being played in there best positions and positions they like to play.
Cadden for instance is forcing Boyle into the middle . The right side is overloaded in my opinion.
There is very little bite in the team mcgregor is excluded from that comment . He screams everything you want his frustration with all around him was plain to see.
So who fixes it, the players need to recognise the need to give more .
MIDFIELD remains our problem it was never fixed .
Jack Ross is getting the benifit of the doubt from me as he asked for but never got any of the players he needed. Mathie paid the penalty .So its work harder get to xmas and see what we can do.
2 new players arrive then we have young forwards banging goals in do they get a chance?


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[3pm]

The same could be said about Nisbet right enough but the OP was talking about Newell and JDH who could also be doing more.

I was watching on a stream yesterday so it's harder to tell ut I thought Newell ran about a bit more in the 2nd half yesterday. I thought he put in a bit effort.

Not enough to do it here and there though.

[JimBHibees]

Newell has been annoyingly lazy this last few games. He's touched the ball about 5 times in the last 2 games. Needs dropped.

Should have been subbed last week and incredibly appeared to be even worse this week. So lacking in any physicality of aggression at all. Jdh poor also.

[Ozyhibby]

Newall has always been crap IMO and I don’t see that changing. He’s never a centre mid. If Ross persists with him in there it will eventually cost him his job.


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[Allant1981]

Newall has always been crap IMO and I don’t see that changing. He’s never a centre mid. If Ross persists with him in there it will eventually cost him his job.


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Newell is certainly not crap

[bigwheel]

Newall has always been crap IMO and I don’t see that changing. He’s never a centre mid. If Ross persists with him in there it will eventually cost him his job.


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That is a wild opinion , in my view. he is one of our better players . Against Rangers he was our best by some way. Not saying he doesn’t have off days, but that view doesn’t stack up….


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[Eyrie]

I think the problem in midfield is that we have two tidy players in Newell and Doyle-Hayes who are happy to keep the ball moving, but aren't good at playing a telling forward pass, getting forward themselves to support the attack and who don't press the opposition possession.

The blend isn't right. We need Allan in there for creativity and Magennis for energy, both of whom are good at supporting our forwards. And in Magennis' absence, one of Newell and Doyle-Hayes has to be instructed to play further forward.

[blackpoolhibs]

Newell has been annoyingly lazy this last few games. He's touched the ball about 5 times in the last 2 games. Needs dropped.

He's this teams Ross Chisholm, utter crap and gives us nothing but slow football and backward passes.

[Allant1981]

He's this teams Ross Chisholm, utter crap and gives us nothing but slow football and backward passes.

Yet more nonsense

[Brightside]

JDH and Newell were very successful in those roles at the start of the season. The concern is why it’s not been working as well recently.

[Allant1981]

JDH and Newell were very successful in those roles at the start of the season. The concern is why it’s not been working as well recently.

Have you not read, its because they are clearly both crap and shouldnt be playing

[Brightside]

Have you not read, its because they are clearly both crap and shouldnt be playing

Yeh which most of us no know is daft. JDH has been our best signing this season imo. What we have is a team missing 3 starters and a current 11 struggling with self belief and form.

[blackpoolhibs]

Have you not read, its because they are clearly both crap and shouldnt be playing

Newell sometimes is the best player on the park, maybe 10%, the rest of the time he's a show pony who does the square root of zilch, a waste of a jersey.

[Allant1981]

Newell sometimes is the best player on the park, maybe 10%, the rest of the time he's a show pony who does the square root of zilch, a waste of a jersey.

So is he sometimes the best player or 10% of the time the best player, again nonsense of a post

[blackpoolhibs]

So is he sometimes the best player or 10% of the time the best player, again nonsense of a post

:faf: 10% is some of the time, he's a waste of a jersey most of the time, maybe 90% of the time. :faf:

[Allant1981]

:faf: 10% is some of the time, he's a waste of a jersey most of the time, maybe 90% of the time. :faf:

Not sure what was funny, your idiotic post or the actual way it was written.

[jacomo]

Not sure what was funny, your idiotic post or the actual way it was written.


It made sense to me.

We’ve seen match winning performances from Joe, but the last one feels like a long time ago.

[EVENTUALLY]

Jack Ross is clearly intent on playing Newall and JDH at the bottom of the midfield to split and take passes from the defenders and build the play from there, BUT they are both too slow allowing the opposiion plenty time to retreat and get behind the ball in their own half. By the time that happens the space in the forward areas is limited and there is not so much room for the forwards to move into. The tactics and players deployed to carry them out are not a match. Neither Newall or JDH are inclined to carry the ball or god forbid try to burst forward. Jack Ross is the reason Hibs are playing crap. Its his tactics and his team selection.

[Allant1981]

It made sense to me.

We’ve seen match winning performances from Joe, but the last one feels like a long time ago.

Still does not mean he is crap, useless, show pony, whatever other rubbish has been written. He along with others are out of form

[blackpoolhibs]

Jack Ross is clearly intent on playing Newall and JDH at the bottom of the midfield to split and take passes from the defenders and build the play from there, BUT they are both too slow allowing the opposiion plenty time to retreat and get behind the ball in their own half. By the time that happens the space in the forward areas is limited and there is not so much room for the forwards to move into. The tactics and players deployed to carry them out are not a match. Neither Newall or JDH are inclined to carry the ball or god forbid try to burst forward. Jack Ross is the reason Hibs are playing crap. Its his tactics and his team selection.

Yip, we let every team regroup and get back into shape, we are as slow and ponderous as ever. We are missing some key players, and this is a big reason why we are not doing so well as earlier in the season.

[Ozyhibby]

Newall with the ball can be decent. Newall when not in possession is a waste of space. Most people judge players by what they do on the ball which is why some think he’s good.


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[blackpoolhibs]

Still does not mean he is crap, useless, show pony, whatever other rubbish has been written. He along with others are out of form

Most of the time Newell is crap, he's the main reason we slow the bloody game down as much and let the opposition get back into shape and organised.

[Allant1981]

Most of the time Newell is crap, he's the main reason we slow the bloody game down as much and let the opposition get back into shape and organised.

Well we will agree to disagree👍 and also apologies for sounding like a twat

[blackpoolhibs]

Well we will agree to disagree👍 and also apologies for sounding like a twat
:aok:

[tamig]

JDH and Newell were very successful in those roles at the start of the season. The concern is why it’s not been working as well recently.

Its kind of obvious why its not working.

[Brightside]

Its kind of obvious why its not working.

Kyle won’t be back for a while. We need another answer.

[Allant1981]

Kyle won’t be back for a while. We need another answer.

Stick gogic in front of the CHs and let Newell go further forward

[Keyser Sauzee]

Kyle won’t be back for a while. We need another answer.

How long is he out for and what’s the issue this time?

[Mikey_1875]

Newall with the ball can be decent. Newall when not in possession is a waste of space. Most people judge players by what they do on the ball which is why some think he’s good.


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Last season Newall was one of the best in our team for tackles won (2nd highest behind Paul McGinn) and interceptions (5th overall, 2nd midfielder behind Gogic). In terms of tackles won he was up there as one of the best midfielders in the league. So I don’t think that adds up to a waste of space out of possession.

I agree he can often be ponderous with the ball, between him and JDH yesterday I was tearing my hair out at how often they turned back on themselves. Both need to better at driving the team forward and certainly Newall needs to add more goals to his game. But overall I think he is a pretty decent player, we just need a better blend in midfield which Magennis provided to some extent.

[Brightside]

How long is he out for and what’s the issue this time?

Ankle injury. Not expected back to after the next international break. So end of Nov / Dec.

[Ozyhibby]

Last season Newall was one of the best in our team for tackles won (2nd highest behind Paul McGinn) and interceptions (5th overall, 2nd midfielder behind Gogic). In terms of tackles won he was up there as one of the best midfielders in the league. So I don’t think that adds up to a waste of space out of possession.

I agree he can often be ponderous with the ball, between him and JDH yesterday I was tearing my hair out at how often they turned back on themselves. Both need to better at driving the team forward and certainly Newall needs to add more goals to his game. But overall I think he is a pretty decent player, we just need a better blend in midfield which Magennis provided to some extent.

He plays centre mid? He should be top of tackles won and interceptions made given the minutes he played. It’s the area of the pitch where that kind of work needs to be done. The fact he’s 5th on interceptions playing centre mid isn’t as much a positive as you seem to think.


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[PatHead]

Most of the time Newell is crap, he's the main reason we slow the bloody game down as much and let the opposition get back into shape and organised.

Totally agree. Never been the same player since he signed his new contract.

[tamig]

Totally agree. Never been the same player since he signed his new contract.

Had a fine game against the hun. He’s not a bad player.

[Mikey_1875]

He plays centre mid? He should be top of tackles won and interceptions made given the minutes he played. It’s the area of the pitch where that kind of work needs to be done. The fact he’s 5th on interceptions playing centre mid isn’t as much a positive as you seem to think.


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Looking at a couple of other clubs it seems like there is a mix of defenders and midfielders at the top of these factors.

I’m not referencing these stats to claim that this is a major victory for Newell. It’s to argue against the point that he is a “waste of space” out of possession. Which he clearly isn’t. There is a large middle ground in between.

[B.H.F.C]

Newall with the ball can be decent. Newall when not in possession is a waste of space. Most people judge players by what they do on the ball which is why some think he’s good.


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There’ll be stats that show he has a good game yesterday. We’re not meant to let our eyes deceive us

Newell was just Newell yesterday.

[Mikey_1875]

There’ll be stats that show he has a good game yesterday. We’re not meant to let our eyes deceive us

Newell was just Newell yesterday.

If you can’t use stats to assist an argument then we are certainly moving the goalposts quite a bit. My eyes tell me he isn’t a waste of space out of possession. The stats help confirm that.

Of course he was rubbish yesterday and the week before. From what i’ve seen over the games he has played for hibs that isn’t a reflection of his overall contribution. There have been a lot of games over the past couple of years the midfield have played well and he has been a part of that.

[jeffers]

Despite being told by different posters a few times on here how good his stats are I form an opinion on players by watching them and while blackpoolhibs’ comments about Newell may be harsh I pretty much agree with him. As I’ve said previously he frustrates me ‘cos he does have ability (I thought he was excellent against the Huns) but too often for me he performs as he did yesterday and strolls about the park like he’s having a kickabout with his mates.

I’m sure we could do with Kyle Magennis in the team performing as he started the season, but his absence doesn’t excuse Newell or JDH’s poor games. Magennis playing may well improve the side, but neither Newell or JDH should require him to be there for them to perform.

[PatHead]

Most of the time Newell is crap, he's the main reason we slow the bloody game down as much and let the opposition get back into shape and organised.

Totally agree. Never been the same player since he signed his new contract.

[hibee-boys]

I’d like to see Newell deployed further up the park, he’s clearly got the technical ability to turn and beat a man but I think he’s just scared to drive forward from such a deep position. He only seems prepared to do that against lesser opposition or when we’re coasting a game, which has been rare this season! Whilst Kyle is injured I’d like to see Gogic sitting with JDH with Newell finding space between opposition defence/midfield. He came to us as a left sided attacking midfielder, Jack Ross seems determined to turn him into a Scott Brown sitting midfielder type and he just isn’t that at all🤷🏼

[Nicho87]

And when McGinn wasn’t available last week the haters were made to eat their words. Newell is a very decent player with good feet and can pick a pass. Bloody hate when he turns, slows play and passes backwards though.
Every team has one it seems. For Scotland it’s passback McGregor. Fir us it’s Newell

Totally get that but McGinn allows a hell of a lot of crosses to get down his side.

[Dmas]

Or it gets passed quickly to free up space as a player is usually right next to him, so in theory someone should be on the move looking for it in the space created

Nothing Joe does is done quickly, one of the main reasons we’re so slow in possession, offers very little when we don’t have the ball as well.
other than he’s the managers favourite I can’t understand how he continues to start for us

[Dmas]

I’d like to see Newell deployed further up the park, he’s clearly got the technical ability to turn and beat a man but I think he’s just scared to drive forward from such a deep position. He only seems prepared to do that against lesser opposition or when we’re coasting a game, which has been rare this season! Whilst Kyle is injured I’d like to see Gogic sitting with JDH with Newell finding space between opposition defence/midfield. He came to us as a left sided attacking midfielder, Jack Ross seems determined to turn him into a Scott Brown sitting midfielder type and he just isn’t that at all🤷🏼

He came in as a wide player, the Heck told us all he was very good in 1v1 situations and he was nearly chased out the club and the same rate of naughts as the guy we got from Bolton in centre mid he was hopeless out there.

He’s been much better since moving central don’t think the manager can carrr any heat for moving him there it’s why he continues picking him that’s the problem he’s been off the boil to put it politely since he came back from injury last season and I think at that time there was a debate on weather his return actually made us worse and weather he should actually have got back in the side as quick as he did

[Allant1981]

Nothing Joe does is done quickly, one of the main reasons we’re so slow in possession, offers very little when we don’t have the ball as well.
other than he’s the managers favourite I can’t understand how he continues to start for us


do you honestly think the manager is picking players just because he is their favourite, this board is mental at the moment

[Coco Bryce]

do you honestly think the manager is picking players just because he is their favourite, this board is mental at the moment

No. But he is clearly picking players that don't deserve to be playing as we have nobody else.

[eastmainsmsh]

Be better wi cotton eyed Joe Bring back Dylan

[bigwheel]

No. But he is clearly picking players that don't deserve to be playing as we have nobody else.

I’m sure he thinks the same

[Dmas]

do you honestly think the manager is picking players just because he is their favourite, this board is mental at the moment


I believe Joe Newall deserves to be dropped and he hasn't, I'm aware the squad depth is poor but we can play with one less holding midfield player and play with gullan up front in a 2 or gogic could play along side JDH instead if the JR wants to keep this shape.

as I said in previous post newall came back from injury last season and got straight in the team when we where playing well with him out, the form fell off almost immediately he's obviously a name the manager has down early in the team line ups

[Allant1981]

No. But he is clearly picking players that don't deserve to be playing as we have nobody else.

Thats completely different though, im sure if we had a bigger squad some players may not be getting game time but as the saying goes, he can only pee with the man part he has

[JimBHibees]

How long is he out for and what’s the issue this time?

Think more of a groin stomach muscle injury. Huge miss.

[Smartie]

Had a fine game against the hun. He’s not a bad player.

He's an incredibly frustrating player.

Excellent on his day, great when things are going your way, a man short when the chips are down.

Controversial one, but as much as I like him when he's on song I don't think we'll ever kick on as a team whilst he's in it as there are just too many occasions where he doesn't fancy it.

Same goes for Nisbet FWIW and they were our poorest 2 players yesterday by some distance imo.

What the best teams have over us is consistency and an ability to grind out end product even when they're not at their best. We'll never reach that level as long as we indulge too many players like that pair.

[jacomo]

I’d like to see Newell deployed further up the park, he’s clearly got the technical ability to turn and beat a man but I think he’s just scared to drive forward from such a deep position. He only seems prepared to do that against lesser opposition or when we’re coasting a game, which has been rare this season! Whilst Kyle is injured I’d like to see Gogic sitting with JDH with Newell finding space between opposition defence/midfield. He came to us as a left sided attacking midfielder, Jack Ross seems determined to turn him into a Scott Brown sitting midfielder type and he just isn’t that at all🤷🏼


For me he’s just not taking enough responsibility at the moment.

I think there might be an issue when Murphy plays ahead of him, as they both like to drive into that inside left position. Therefore, there are times when one or other has to find space elsewhere.