HIB$ Token

[matty_f]

Some strange thinking going on in this thread.

What on earth do fintech whiz kids have to do with this?

It is offering some different digital stuff for Hibs fans to buy and the potential for some other content and fan experiences.

Some people are taking some nonsense ideas they might have heard about ‘crypto’ and running with it here.

I’ll be honest and say that’s where I’m headed with this as well - I’ve looked at the blurb on the website and the q&a, and aside from the horrendous wording i on it (“fandom” FFS ) I’m not seeing where the angst comes from.

Certainly the pyramid scheme/scam angle isn’t ringing true with me any more than it does with the kids buying FIFA cards or Fortnight stuff on Xbox.

I would be absolutely astonished if anyone was going into this as a customer looking to make money on it. I just don’t see it being positioned like that by anyone.

[Broken Gnome]

Some strange thinking going on in this thread.

What on earth do fintech whiz kids have to do with this?

It is offering some different digital stuff for Hibs fans to buy and the potential for some other content and fan experiences.

Some people are taking some nonsense ideas they might have heard about ‘crypto’ and running with it here.

CEO of a NFT company actively promoting Hibs-linked products? Backed by a fair and vocal number of similarly-minded investors and customers? Fintech whizzkids might be a bit of a blase way of saying it, but that's the ballpark we're in no?

I don't know what their ideas are, and to be perfectly honest don't have the time to read up on this to the level of knowledge that others have around NFTs, crypto and blockchain. It's your middle paragraph I'm cynical about though - I can't see our support being much of an active audience for whatever these innovative experiences are. I just don't see much engagement for it, and if these partnerships flop and Hibs/Scottish football doesn't prove much of a money maker, then how does that impact on what our current overall strategy is.

If that type of suspicion is nonsense then all well and good. I'm not saying it's a scam, I'm just wondering what type of club we're being positioned as and what is 'expected' of our engagement as a support. And that's fair comment though - I'm a Hibs fan, I'm part of a group they're marketing to, but it's already creating a level of antipathy towards the club from its own support and others that I don't really like much.

[Allant1981]

CEO of a NFT company actively promoting Hibs-linked products? Backed by a fair and vocal number of similarly-minded investors and customers? Fintech whizzkids might be a bit of a blase way of saying it, but that's the ballpark we're in no?

I don't know what their ideas are, and to be perfectly honest don't have the time to read up on this to the level of knowledge that others have around NFTs, crypto and blockchain. It's your middle paragraph I'm cynical about though - I can't see our support being much of an active audience for whatever these innovative experiences are. I just don't see much engagement for it, and if these partnerships flop and Hibs/Scottish football doesn't prove much of a money maker, then how does that impact on what our current overall strategy is.

And if that type of suspicion is nonsense then all well and good. It's fair comment though - I'm a Hibs fan, I'm part of a group they're marketing to, but it's already creating a level of antipathy towards the club from its own support and others that I don't really like much.

Its causing a level of antipathy because people jumped on the band wagon thats its a scam or a pyramid scheme etc etc before actually finding out what its actually about, to be fair though the club havent helped themselves with the way they have promoted it

[Peevemor]

CEO of a NFT company actively promoting Hibs-linked products? Backed by a fair and vocal number of similarly-minded investors and customers? Fintech whizzkids might be a bit of a blase way of saying it, but that's the ballpark we're in no?

I don't know what their ideas are, and to be perfectly honest don't have the time to read up on this to the level of knowledge that others have around NFTs, crypto and blockchain. It's your middle paragraph I'm cynical about though - I can't see our support being much of an active audience for whatever these innovative experiences are. I just don't see much engagement for it, and if these partnerships flop and Hibs/Scottish football doesn't prove much of a money maker, then how does that impact on what our current overall strategy is.

And if that type of suspicion is nonsense then all well and good. It's fair comment though - I'm a Hibs fan, I'm part of a group they're marketing to, but it's already creating a level of antipathy towards the club from its own support and others that I don't really like much.Is the antipathy justified though, or is it simply the result of a very vocal minority who have decided how disgraceful the whole thing is based on nothing but their own suspicions and prejudices?

Remember the last time we heard pyramid (ponzi) scheme accusations in relation to Hibs?

[Broken Gnome]

Its causing a level of antipathy because people jumped on the band wagon thats its a scam or a pyramid scheme etc etc before actually finding out what its actually about, to be fair though the club havent helped themselves with the way they have promoted it

It's not exactly getting a wave of support on here either, which is maybe more reflective than Twitter noise.

I spend half my day reading about scams and cryptocurrencies as well, but it's the first crossover with Hibs and it's something I frankly can't be arsed with given its opponents are so vehement and it's backers are near fanatical.

Same time, if you're to talk to 100 random strangers at the Celtic game a good 90 might not know or give a rat's **** about this, and that's the best indicator that it's a minor footnote in the club's business and not anything to get worked up about.

[ScottB]

Its causing a level of antipathy because people jumped on the band wagon thats its a scam or a pyramid scheme etc etc before actually finding out what its actually about, to be fair though the club havent helped themselves with the way they have promoted it

Their website literally states ‘Buy. Hold. Earn.’

Nowhere does it even suggest the value of what’s bought could go up or down. It’s all ‘HODL’ and other such nonsense.

That makes it dodgy, at the very least in terms of how they present themselves, and that’s before you get to all their bot accounts being even more boastful of future outcomes. You can’t run a betting site telling every punter they’ll win. Hell you can’t sell an investment fund or a pension without a couple paragraphs telling people it could go up or down.

[Andy74]

CEO of a NFT company actively promoting Hibs-linked products? Backed by a fair and vocal number of similarly-minded investors and customers? Fintech whizzkids might be a bit of a blase way of saying it, but that's the ballpark we're in no?

I don't know what their ideas are, and to be perfectly honest don't have the time to read up on this to the level of knowledge that others have around NFTs, crypto and blockchain. It's your middle paragraph I'm cynical about though - I can't see our support being much of an active audience for whatever these innovative experiences are. I just don't see much engagement for it, and if these partnerships flop and Hibs/Scottish football doesn't prove much of a money maker, then how does that impact on what our current overall strategy is.

If that type of suspicion is nonsense then all well and good. I'm not saying it's a scam, I'm just wondering what type of club we're being positioned as and what is 'expected' of our engagement as a support. And that's fair comment though - I'm a Hibs fan, I'm part of a group they're marketing to, but it's already creating a level of antipathy towards the club from its own support and others that I don't really like much.

Most of this is over thinking it.

Why does this position is differently as a club? It is just one offering that fans can take or leave.

Why would it impact our current strategy? If people don’t use the legal services offered by our partners do people worry about the impact?

It is a sponsorship and it is offering some things for fans to buy or not to buy. Not really a bigger deal than that.

[Peevemor]

Its causing a level of antipathy because people jumped on the band wagon thats its a scam or a pyramid scheme etc etc before actually finding out what its actually about, to be fair though the club havent helped themselves with the way they have promoted itThe club have obviously left the promotion (content) to Sportemongo who probably didn't foresee the OTT hostile reaction.

[degenerated]

Its causing a level of antipathy because people jumped on the band wagon thats its a scam or a pyramid scheme etc etc before actually finding out what its actually about, to be fair though the club havent helped themselves with the way they have promoted itIsn't that what happened with HSL too?

Fwiw, I'm in the care less than I know camp about it.

[Peevemor]

Isn't that what happened with HSL too?

Fwiw, I'm in the care less than I know camp about it.I'd be the same, only I do care about the anti-club/Ron frenzy that some seem determined to nurture.

[Broken Gnome]

Most of this is over thinking it.

Why does this position is differently as a club? It is just one offering that fans can take or leave.

Why would it impact our current strategy? If people don’t use the legal services offered by our partners do people worry about the impact?

It is a sponsorship and it is offering some things for fans to buy or not to buy. Not really a bigger deal than that.

It's different to the norm, more provocative than what we're used to, creates questions and lines of thought borne out of the confusion.

If it is overthinking, that's the answer I was hoping for.

[bigwheel]

I'd be the same, only I do care about the anti-club/Ron frenzy that some seem determined to nurture.

Whether you are supportive of this or not, the club communication and explanation of it has been woeful. That deserves to be noted and is one of the main reasons that some people are not trusting this new platform that is being pushed towards our fans . As a number have said, it is different enough to warrant better than usual communication , not the poor attempt from the club to date .

This may be the start of what becomes a norm
In the future. This is a platform that amongst other things will create unique digital Hibs content and assets and will allow people to buy, sell and trade them.

I’ve little doubt that Hibs will enable unique content and other privileges to help drive community to this platform . If you’re into that it may be positive , for others they may feels it’s another pay wall excluding them from content.

I don’t think many of us are close enough to this to say it’s a good thing or a negative - but it is new and deserves better fan engagement than the club have done so far

[Allant1981]

Isn't that what happened with HSL too?

Fwiw, I'm in the care less than I know camp about it.

Yip pretty much the same, id rather read up on something first before jumping in but thats just me, i will probably end up doing something with this sponsor also, just to say ive done it as its different, not really fussed about making money etc

[marinello59]

What you've quoted doesn't seem to be particularly unique compared to what previous sponsors have done. What do you not like about that?

I don't remember previous sponsors insisting that we buy their products in order to get premium access to anything connected with the club. Offering money can't buy experiences that we have to pay for?

I usually dismiss any attacks on something new from the club as moaning for the sake of it and take no part in it. I'm a natural happy clapper. :greengrin
This just feels wrong to me. I do think that the implication from several on here that those of us voicing concerns just need educated is just a wee bit poor. I get what they are doing.

The blurb they use to get clubs on board doesn't look to clever either. Increasing fan loyalty for die hard fans? Die hard fans are already as loyal as you can get. But they can be milked for more regularly recurring cash by offering them a hugely marked up product they would previously have got for nothing.


CONNECT

Redefining digital experiences by connecting fans & sponsors to create high margin recurring revenues

ENGAGE

Boost fan engagement with immersive experiences for revenue amplification

REWARD

Increase fan loyalty with exclusive premium experiences for die-hard paying fans

[degenerated]

Yip pretty much the same, id rather read up on something first before jumping in but thats just me, i will probably end up doing something with this sponsor also, just to say ive done it as its different, not really fussed about making money etcTo be fair, you can get a pretty cool hologram wristband to show off your non fungible Drey Wrights etc :greengrin

https://www.reddit.com/r/SportemonGo/comments/q6vxdx/patent_pending_tech_to_enhance_your_nft/

[CMurdoch]

The club have obviously left the promotion (content) to Sportemongo who probably didn't foresee the OTT hostile reaction.

It's just PokemonGo with the word Sport replacing Poke.
They will kick their ass and have Gotta Catch Them All.

Bazooka Joe for the 21st Century

[Allant1981]

To be fair, you can get a pretty cool hologram wristband to show off your non fungible Drey Wrights etc :greengrin

https://www.reddit.com/r/SportemonGo/comments/q6vxdx/patent_pending_tech_to_enhance_your_nft/

I will end up buying crap like this, guaranteed

[CMurdoch]

CONNECT

Redefining digital experiences by connecting fans & sponsors to create high margin recurring revenues

ENGAGE

Boost fan engagement with immersive experiences for revenue amplification

REWARD

Increase fan loyalty with exclusive premium experiences for die-hard paying fans


The above was posted by Marinello59 a few posts earlier
This sponsor might as well just call us fanny's instead of fans!
Bull**** bingotastic.

Truth is they will probably be no worse than previous sponsors piss takes.
Who can forget Hibs Whisky, Gin & Wine.
Take a regular bottle of your companies whisky and put a Hibs themed label on it and voila you have a Special Hibs Whisky and can mark it up £12 on the regular stuff.

[Just Alf]

CONNECT

Redefining digital experiences by connecting fans & sponsors to create high margin recurring revenues

ENGAGE

Boost fan engagement with immersive experiences for revenue amplification

REWARD

Increase fan loyalty with exclusive premium experiences for die-hard paying fans


They might as well just call us fanny's instead of fans!
Bull**** bingotastic.

They will probably be no worse than previous sponsors piss takes.
Who can forget Hibs Whisky, Gin & Wine.
Take a regular bottle of your companies whisky and put a Hibs themed label on it and voila you have a Special Hibs Whisky and can mark it up £12 on the regular stuff.With a nice label and box, I enjoy looking at my hibs whisky on the shelf...

:greengrin

[Just Alf]

One day I might even drink it

Was bequeathed a few expensive ones but only after promising I'd open them... I've had some real grief for one as apparently I could easily have got a tesla if I'd sold it... I can't even afford a leaf! Lol...

[CMurdoch]

With a nice label and box, I enjoy looking at my hibs whisky on the shelf...

:greengrin


One day I might even drink it

Was bequeathed a few expensive ones but only after promising I'd open them... I've had some real grief for one as apparently I could easily have got a tesla if I'd sold it... I can't even afford a leaf! Lol...

My brother in law has a Hibs one.
It looks good with the rest of his whisky collection.

What you should do Alf is buy a regular bottle of the same whisky and put it in the Hibs box so you can take it out and show the box off without drinking from the special bottle.

[Zambernardi1875]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/41v6Kk9jtx5rcHG5FksQc5?si=6qqAY_9vSRmzKmjLNWif-w

[WhileTheChief..]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/41v6Kk9jtx5rcHG5FksQc5?si=6qqAY_9vSRmzKmjLNWif-w

Thanks for posting this, a good listen that should put some fears to rest.

I’m quite positive about it now.

[Peevemor]

Thanks for posting this, a good listen that should put some fears to rest.

I’m quite positive about it now.Yep. Even though the podcast contains a lot of back slapping between sportemongo disciples there's no hint of condescension toward the club or the fans and certainly no sign that they're looking to rip anyone off.

[Eyrie]

Yep. Even though the podcast contains a lot of back slapping between sportemongo disciples there's no hint of condescension toward the club or the fans and certainly no sign that they're looking to rip anyone off.

I don't think that proves anything other than that they want listeners to have a positive impression of them.

If they are dodgy (and that's still an "if"), then they're not going to say so in public.

[Lancs Harp]

Its witchcraft.

[Peevemor]

I don't think that proves anything other than that they want listeners to have a positive impression of them.

If they are dodgy (and that's still an "if"), then they're not going to say so in public.I agree - there's no proof of anything, either good or bad.

[Purple & Green]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/41v6Kk9jtx5rcHG5FksQc5?si=6qqAY_9vSRmzKmjLNWif-w

Like all their comms so far, sounds plausible, but precious little substance.

[Radium]

Why the doubts?

Brand new company pays to put a logo on the back of the shirt and becomes the token partner.

Fans see sponsorship and PH holding a strip but generally have no idea what the token stuff is.

Twitter post lands. Language is bizarre and is full of bull phrases

Corporate accounts start to actively promote it and an unconfirmed account comes on, against the stream, and posts unchallenged messages that suggest investors already have the tokens and it seems that Hibs fans are not to know.

Bit of checking and this is a brand new venture with a deep marketing budget but no obvious product.

The offer is currently to register for an undefined product where the price is yet to be defined. Bit timeshare.

It is structured in an unregulated market with no protection for anyone who puts money in.

It is an over 18 only product so not for kids.

It is about creating premium access for super fans.

Someone is making money but it’s not meant to be the sports fans with emotional attachments


… and there are so many ways that fans could be engaged through organisations already full of fans


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[WhileTheChief..]

10 mins in the CEO talks about the Hibs deal.

Gives a lot of detail of what they get out of it. They’ve spent around 500k, 3 year deal and they take a cut of the money Hibs make from it.

Worth watching.


https://youtu.be/RVdj3aPS-UA

[marinello59]

Yep. Even though the podcast contains a lot of back slapping between sportemongo disciples there's no hint of condescension toward the club or the fans and certainly no sign that they're looking to rip anyone off.

Have you really listened to that? Who would not be comforted by a corporate podcast.? It’s pish. Rikki, Rikki, Rikki,Rikki whover he is. . What a guy. Hibs can stick it.

[Peevemor]

Have you really listened to that? Who would not be comforted by a corporate podcast.? It’s pish. Rikki, Rikki, Rikki,Rikki whover he is. . What a guy. Hibs can stick it.That's why I called them disciples - it sounded almost like some sort of sect, but my point still stands.

[Stairway 2 7]

10 mins in the CEO talks about the Hibs deal.

Gives a lot of detail of what they get out of it. They’ve spent around 500k, 3 year deal and they take a cut of the money Hibs make from it.

Worth watching.


https://youtu.be/RVdj3aPS-UA

Seems huge for a small back of the shirt sponsor

[Since452]

Going against the grain but I like it. Think it's quite interesting and adventurous. Podcast was a good listen.

[Iain G]

Going against the grain but I like it. Think it's quite interesting and adventurous. Podcast was a good listen.

Are you going to be one of the Token Hibs supporters the 😁

[superfurryhibby]

After so much hand wringing, it seems to me that Hibs get money and Sportemongo ( ridic name), get the chance to sell our fans something that 99% of us aren’t interested in. Well good luck with that. Ijust hope they pay cash up front to the club.

I wish the OP had added a poll to this, just to see how many would buy into it :wink:

[Peevemor]

After so much hand wringing, it seems to me that Hibs get money and Sportemongo ( ridic name), get the chance to sell our fans something that 99% of us aren’t interested in. Well good luck with that. Ijust hope they pay cash up front to the club.

I wish the OP had added a poll to this, just to see how many would buy into it :wink:I think it's pretty clear that not many on here would buy into it as it stands, even among those like myself who don't necessarily see it as a bad set-up.

The sportemongo folk on the podcast know that they'll have to offer more to get folk interested, but it seems to be very much a work in progress, with the initial negotiations & agreement with Hibs done and dusted in only 7 days.

[tmb1875]

I just do t get it, they’ve gave us £500k over 3 years there gonna want over a mill back at least on their investment where’s that gonna come from? Hibs supporters. so is that gonna take away revenue directly from the club that would normally come from the fans? What’s coming down line, that you can only buy a derby ticket through these tokens or a pie at the kiosk. A bit dubious as to why there chucking half a mil at us.


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[ronaldo7]

I think it's pretty clear that not many on here would buy into it as it stands, even among those like myself who don't necessarily see it as a bad set-up.

The sportemongo folk on the podcast know that they'll have to offer more to get folk interested, but it seems to be very much a work in progress, with the initial negotiations & agreement with Hibs done and dusted in only 7 days.

It's in its infancy, and if they get it right, I can see them landing the younger element in our fan base. The guy on the podcast mentioned the tokenisation opportunities of the whole club. It looks like they'll be approaching some of our older ex players to have an experience with. The club shop was also mentioned. After listening to the podcast, they'll not leave a stone unturned to make a buck. Some of our younger fans may take to it.

[Peevemor]

I just do t get it, they’ve gave us £500k over 3 years there gonna want over a mill back at least on their investment where’s that gonna come from? Hibs supporters. so is that gonna take away revenue directly from the club that would normally come from the fans? What’s coming down line, that you can only buy a derby ticket through these tokens or a pie at the kiosk. A bit dubious as to why there chucking half a mil at us.


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Given that Ron knocked the sale of shares to HSL on the head when he came in, I doubt very much that he'll cede control over things like ticket sales or merchandise/kiosk revenues for the sake of a 3 year deal. I think anything exclusive to SGO will be things that aren't currently on offer. For example the podcast spoke about an online 3D tour of the stadium and the the strip (now being signed), that was used in the initial press release.

[Speedy]

The club have obviously left the promotion (content) to Sportemongo who probably didn't foresee the OTT hostile reaction.

I wouldn't describe it as OTT.

There certainly seems to be an exploitative nature to it. The 'influencing' on twitter, 'more you buy = more fun', the taking advantage of the general FOMO around crypto/tokens.

Also can't see how the benefits will persist 'forever' as has been implied. Even if you ignore the rest that surely seems a bit suss.

[Peevemor]

I wouldn't describe it as OTT.

There certainly seems to be an exploitative nature to it. The 'influencing' on twitter, 'more you buy = more fun', the taking advantage of the general FOMO around crypto/tokens.

Also can't see how the benefits will persist 'forever' as has been implied. Even if you ignore the rest that surely seems a bit suss.

I agree with the points you're making but some of the reaction, even on this thread, has been OTT.

[Zambernardi1875]

They have a partnership with rangers now also

[Stairway 2 7]

They have a partnership with rangers now also

Most major clubs in Europe and the US have a link up with nft companies now

[WhileTheChief..]

I just do t get it, they’ve gave us £500k over 3 years there gonna want over a mill back at least on their investment where’s that gonna come from? Hibs supporters. so is that gonna take away revenue directly from the club that would normally come from the fans? What’s coming down line, that you can only buy a derby ticket through these tokens or a pie at the kiosk. A bit dubious as to why there chucking half a mil at us.


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They’re spending 500k to get their name out there.

If they don’t make a penny from us they’ve got what they wanted for their money. It’s advertising.

As for the fan tokens, if we buy the digital stuff, Hibs make money and SGO get a slice of it.

Same as if you buy a scarf, Hibs get some of the cash as do the folk that knitted it!

So, I buy a digital collectors card of Paul Hanlon for £20 for example. SGO take a cut of that and Hibs get the rest. Where’s the harm?

[Stairway 2 7]

https://cryptoslam.io/nba-top-shot/sales/summary

The nba in America have a trading thing where you own a clip of a bit of play from a game. Even though you watch all these clips for free on YouTube, there has been $750 dollars in trades this year.

The ufc, f1, la liga have league wide nft deals. The premiership in England is negotiating a league wide deal but City man u ect have got their own deals.

[tmb1875]

Absolutely fine if that’s the extent of it. I know it already exists in other forms just not comfortable with the idea that your a better fan if you spend more than someone who couldn’t afford to. We’re all hibs fans regardless of how much disposable cash you’ve got to waste of this stuff.


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[Peevemor]

Absolutely fine if that’s the extent of it. I know it already exists in other forms just not comfortable with the idea that your a better fan if you spend more than someone who couldn’t afford to. We’re all hibs fans regardless of how much disposable cash you’ve got to waste of this stuff.


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Having collectibles, real or virtual, doesn't make you a better fan. There have always been people who could afford to spend more than others (myself included) - signed shirts, hospitality, etc.. That'll never change.

[Since452]

They have a partnership with rangers now also

How dare they. It's a scam...

[BegbieHSC]

Huns now have an official partnership with Sportemon Go.

https://www.rangers.co.uk/Article/rangers-partner-with-sportemon-go/5crF23FgXoVfcdTz7InmaQ

[Smartie]

Huns now have an official partnership with Sportemon Go.

https://www.rangers.co.uk/Article/rangers-partner-with-sportemon-go/5crF23FgXoVfcdTz7InmaQ

The point has been made before, but it’s a shame that when “Sportemon Go” were meeting to decide what their name was going to be that they clearly didn’t have anyone who had spent any time in a Scottish school playground in the 1980s to say “wait a minute…”

[Peevemor]

Huns now have an official partnership with Sportemon Go.

https://www.rangers.co.uk/Article/rangers-partner-with-sportemon-go/5crF23FgXoVfcdTz7InmaQSo far from being an "embarrassment", it's possible that Hibs were ahead of the pack on this one? [emoji848]

[Smartie]

So far from being an "embarrassment", it's possible that Hibs were ahead of the pack on this one? [emoji848]

Or we jumped in so quickly we even managed to get there before a club whose financial nous has already led to their club dying once within the last decade?

[bigwheel]

So far from being an "embarrassment", it's possible that Hibs were ahead of the pack on this one? [emoji848]

We might be ..but let’s be honest, you’ve been defending the club on this one when you thought it was a tenner for some quizzes …so whether you have actually sat back and thought about it isn’t really obvious .

It’s never been a risk of a scam for me ..but it is a new way of paying money for Hibs related content, which has a gaming and trading element to it. brings risk and “premium” content into play . I’m sure it will be come the norm, but all new norms aren’t always good thing - sky’s impact on football (for example).

Whichever way it goes, the clubs comms and engagement with their fans on this has been appalling - generic , cut and paste , from the vendor, content . We should expect much better

[Jones28]

Or we jumped in so quickly we even managed to get there before a club whose financial nous has already led to their club dying once within the last decade?

Sheeesh, that’s breaking new ground in the criticism race.

[Peevemor]

We might be ..but let’s be honest, you’ve been defending the club on this one when you thought it was a tenner for some quizzes …so whether you have actually sat back and thought about it isn’t really obvious .

It’s never been a risk of a scam for me ..but it is a new way of paying money for Hibs related content, which has a gaming and trading element to it. brings risk and “premium” content into play . I’m sure it will be come the norm, but all new norms aren’t always good thing - sky’s impact on football (for example).

Whichever way it goes, the clubs comms and engagement with their fans on this has been appalling - generic , cut and paste , from the vendor, content . We should expect much betterI misread the £10 thing (it apparently starts at £50) but the quizzes, competitions etc. are mentioned in the blurb.

But if we're being honest, there's been some total nonsense posted on here about this (embarrassment, scam, etc) which is typical of the type of over reaction that's ruining this place. This prompts me to react more than anything else. I certainly don't blindly defend the club.

[Peevemor]

Sheeesh, that’s breaking new ground in the criticism race.What would the same people be saying if everyone else had this sort of tie-in except us. We've missed the boat on this one, crap commercial dept., etc...

[Since452]

What would the same people be saying if everyone else had this sort of tie-in except us. We've missed the boat on this one, crap commercial dept., etc...

It would have been the same overreaction either way. There is no middle ground these days.

[Smartie]

Sheeesh, that’s breaking new ground in the criticism race.

It was an opportunity to have a dig at Rangers, mainly.

I don't let them pass.

:greengrin



Irrespective though - I don't think "look - Rangers are doing it too" should be a seal of approval of anything.

[bigwheel]

I misread the £10 thing (it apparently starts at £50) but the quizzes, competitions etc. are mentioned in the blurb.

But if we're being honest, there's been some total nonsense posted on here about this (embarrassment, scam, etc) which is typical of the type of over reaction that's ruining this place. This prompts me to react more than anything else. I certainly don't blindly defend the club.

Defending unfair and extreme criticism is fair …it’s good there are different voices . There has been extreme scepticism from a Number of posters. But let’s at least both acknowledge that some of that is because of elements the club hasn’t handled well ..eg communication, clarity and helping the fans understand and connect with it ..

[Rumble de Thump]

Defending unfair and extreme criticism is fair …it’s good there are different voices . There has been extreme scepticism from a Number of posters. But let’s at least both acknowledge that some of that is because of elements the club hasn’t handled well ..eg communication, clarity and helping the fans understand and connect with it ..

A lot of people have ignored the club's comms in favour of a monorail meme.

[bigwheel]

A lot of people have ignored the club's comms in favour of a monorail meme.

I’m not sure what you refer to..but the clubs comms are poor on this ..very generic..clearly most of it written by the platform provider …

So wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t connecting with many fans .

[Peevemor]

I’m not sure what you refer to..but the clubs comms are poor on this ..very generic..clearly most of it written by the platform provider …

So wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t connecting with many fans .Do Hibs write the comms for Utulita, Eden Park or any of our other sponsors/partners?

[Zambernardi1875]

I’m not sure what you refer to..but the clubs comms are poor on this ..very generic..clearly most of it written by the platform provider …

So wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t connecting with many fans .

I’m totally in agreement with the lack of communication from Hibs on this but also thinking I’m unsure what else they can say at the moment as the company haven’t made anything available all they have done is sponsor 2 clubs

[bigwheel]

Do Hibs write the comms for Utulita, Eden Park or any of our other sponsors/partners?

Ffs. Those things are clear and easy to understand regardless who writes them …think about the real point being made rather than some obscure defence of the club

[bigwheel]

I’m totally in agreement with the lack of communication from Hibs on this but also thinking I’m unsure what else they can say at the moment as the company haven’t made anything available all they have done is sponsor 2 clubs

It’s active though - not a new platform- so they can bring it to life with real or worked examples ….

[Peevemor]

Ffs. Those things are clear and easy to understand regardless who writes them …think about the real point being made rather than some obscure defence of the clubFFS yourself. I'm not defending the club but your criticism is ridiculous. It's up to SGO to sell their thing.

[bigwheel]

FFS yourself. I'm not defending the club but your criticism is ridiculous. It's up to SGO to sell their thing.


I’m commenting on comms that Hibs have put out. They are responsible for them , no one else . But tbh , You just twist your arguments around to defend the club - it’s worthless exploring topics with you .

[Peevemor]

I’m commenting on comms that Hibs have put out. They are responsible for them , no one else . But tbh , You just twist your arguments around to defend the club - it’s worthless exploring topics with you .I'm not, you're the one twisting stuff to emphasise the negatives. The comms on this, at least the "selling" part, have been written by SGO. It's identical to the release on their site.

[JohnStephens91]

I'm not, you're the one twisting stuff to emphasise the negatives. The comms on this, at least the "selling" part, have been written by SGO. It's identical to the release on their site.

Hi Peevemor, it's on the club's communications team to edit the content for the different communications channels. When I was at Hibs I would edit the content for sponsors to make it more relatable for fans. The release that went out was not clear on what buying an NFT actually is or the process of buying it.

The release glosses over the fact that the token will fluctuate in value in an unregulated market, meaning fans buying these can lose money. It was marketed as, essentially, the more you buy it shows you as being a "super fan", which is very poor language choice and is more likely to sway an under-18 into purchasing these via their parents.

This is a product for over-18s who are interested in crypto trading, but it's been marketed using language which says that the more you buy the better you support the club. That is completely unethical.

I have zero problems with Hibs entering into partnerships with companies involved in crypto/NFTs, betting, or alcohol, but they need to be up front and clear in communicating what these are.

I have so many other reservations with Sportemon Go as well. Selling to their investors early is shady, but why would they, a group of crypto traders with no link to Hibs, want a fan token that gets them into potential draws to win Hibs prizes? Something isn't right there. Also, some of the things that you can do with your fan token is gamble. Crypto/NFT is unregulated so I wonder if the gambling aspect is too as it'll be contained within that platform. This then draws me back to irresponsible language choice in relation to it being advertised.

[Peevemor]

Hi Peevemor, it's on the club's communications team to edit the content for the different communications channels. When I was at Hibs I would edit the content for sponsors to make it more relatable for fans. The release that went out was not clear on what buying an NFT actually is or the process of buying it.

The release glosses over the fact that the token will fluctuate in value in an unregulated market, meaning fans buying these can lose money. It was marketed as, essentially, the more you buy it shows you as being a "super fan", which is very poor language choice and is more likely to sway an under-18 into purchasing these via their parents.

This is a product for over-18s who are interested in crypto trading, but it's been marketed using language which says that the more you buy the better you support the club. That is completely unethical.

I have zero problems with Hibs entering into partnerships with companies involved in crypto/NFTs, betting, or alcohol, but they need to be up front and clear in communicating what these are.

I have so many other reservations with Sportemon Go as well. Selling to their investors early is shady, but why would they, a group of crypto traders with no link to Hibs, want a fan token that gets them into potential draws to win Hibs prizes? Something isn't right there. Also, some of the things that you can do with your fan token is gamble. Crypto/NFT is unregulated so I wonder if the gambling aspect is too as it'll be contained within that platform. This then draws me back to irresponsible language choice in relation to it being advertised.

SGO will have sent the text to be included in the release. On something as new, different and complicated as this I don't think it's for anyone in Hibs' comms department to alter the description on what's on offer. Already people are taking stuff the wrong way - I don't think paraphrasing SGO's text would have helped at all.

As for being clear and up front, again that's for SGO and the broad lines should be explained when you go to their site to register interest.

If and when there are offers for specific events or competitions which are joint efforts between the club & SGO then that's when I'd expect more input from Hibs.

Of course the above is all my own opinion and I'm not at all wanting to dismiss what you said.

In any case it's good to have insight from someone who's been involved on the inside and it'd be great to get your input on other stuff (as you've done with the programmes) where professional discretion allows.

[JohnStephens91]

SGO will have sent the text to be included in the release. On something as new, different and complicated as this I don't think it's for anyone in Hibs' comms department to alter the description on what's on offer. Already people are taking stuff the wrong way - I don't think paraphrasing SGO's text would have helped at all.

As for being clear and up front, again that's for SGO and the broad lines should be explained when you go to their site to register interest.

If and when there are offers for specific events or competitions which are joint efforts between the club & SGO then that's when I'd expect more input from Hibs.

Of course the above is all my own opinion and I'm not at all wanting to dismiss what you said.

In any case it's good to have insight from someone who's been involved on the inside and it'd be great to get your input on other stuff (as you've done with the programmes) where professional discretion allows.

It is on the club's media staff to correctly and ethically communicate out about content to the supporters of the club. It is on the media staff to work with their colleagues who worked on the deal and the commercial partners, in this case Sportemon Go, to communicate about the product being pushed.

Someone, maybe yourself, has said that it is exactly the same as on Sportemon Go's website. This to me suggests that the post went out unchecked by anyone at the club, which is quite frankly ludicrous. You can't communicate using what is tantamount to a foreign language to your ordinary person. That's why communications professionals exist. I don't want to sound wise, but that's just a fact rather than an opinion. Apologies if that seems a bit blunt as it's not my intention.

The media staff have published communication which uses soft, fuzzy, emotionally manipulative language to promote a product for over-18s. Sadly, it seems to have worked as I have seen posts where kids are asking their parents to buy these tokens. Imagine the uproar if it was kids asking their parents to buy Eden Mill or stick accumulators on?

This product has a fluctuating price value, meaning Hibs fans can lose money on it. This hasn't been clearly communicated, it's been buried in with the overly confusing language and the warm and fuzzy elements.

That's why I'm disappointed at it all from Sportemon Go and from Hibs. It's been communicated in completely the wrong way, duping folk and enticing kids to effectively gamble money away.

Again, there are many other actions of Sportemon Go and their community that just doesn't sit right with me and makes me feel deeply uneasy.

[Rumble de Thump]

It is on the club's media staff to correctly and ethically communicate out about content to the supporters of the club. It is on the media staff to work with their colleagues who worked on the deal and the commercial partners, in this case Sportemon Go, to communicate about the product being pushed.

Someone, maybe yourself, has said that it is exactly the same as on Sportemon Go's website. This to me suggests that the post went out unchecked by anyone at the club, which is quite frankly ludicrous. You can't communicate using what is tantamount to a foreign language to your ordinary person. That's why communications professionals exist. I don't want to sound wise, but that's just a fact rather than an opinion. Apologies if that seems a bit blunt as it's not my intention.

The media staff have published communication which uses soft, fuzzy, emotionally manipulative language to promote a product for over-18s. Sadly, it seems to have worked as I have seen posts where kids are asking their parents to buy these tokens. Imagine the uproar if it was kids asking their parents to buy Eden Mill or stick accumulators on?

This product has a fluctuating price value, meaning Hibs fans can lose money on it. This hasn't been clearly communicated, it's been buried in with the overly confusing language and the warm and fuzzy elements.

That's why I'm disappointed at it all from Sportemon Go and from Hibs. It's been communicated in completely the wrong way, duping folk and enticing kids to effectively gamble money away.

Again, there are many other actions of Sportemon Go and their community that just doesn't sit right with me and makes me feel deeply uneasy.

Nobody has been duped.

[Peevemor]

It is on the club's media staff to correctly and ethically communicate out about content to the supporters of the club. It is on the media staff to work with their colleagues who worked on the deal and the commercial partners, in this case Sportemon Go, to communicate about the product being pushed.

Someone, maybe yourself, has said that it is exactly the same as on Sportemon Go's website. This to me suggests that the post went out unchecked by anyone at the club, which is quite frankly ludicrous. You can't communicate using what is tantamount to a foreign language to your ordinary person. That's why communications professionals exist. I don't want to sound wise, but that's just a fact rather than an opinion. Apologies if that seems a bit blunt as it's not my intention.

The media staff have published communication which uses soft, fuzzy, emotionally manipulative language to promote a product for over-18s. Sadly, it seems to have worked as I have seen posts where kids are asking their parents to buy these tokens. Imagine the uproar if it was kids asking their parents to buy Eden Mill or stick accumulators on?

This product has a fluctuating price value, meaning Hibs fans can lose money on it. This hasn't been clearly communicated, it's been buried in with the overly confusing language and the warm and fuzzy elements.

That's why I'm disappointed at it all from Sportemon Go and from Hibs. It's been communicated in completely the wrong way, duping folk and enticing kids to effectively gamble money away.

Again, there are many other actions of Sportemon Go and their community that just doesn't sit right with me and makes me feel deeply uneasy.

I get the impression that you're letting your feelings toward SGO and their "product" influence your opinion of the launch.

[matty_f]

It is on the club's media staff to correctly and ethically communicate out about content to the supporters of the club. It is on the media staff to work with their colleagues who worked on the deal and the commercial partners, in this case Sportemon Go, to communicate about the product being pushed.

Someone, maybe yourself, has said that it is exactly the same as on Sportemon Go's website. This to me suggests that the post went out unchecked by anyone at the club, which is quite frankly ludicrous. You can't communicate using what is tantamount to a foreign language to your ordinary person. That's why communications professionals exist. I don't want to sound wise, but that's just a fact rather than an opinion. Apologies if that seems a bit blunt as it's not my intention.

The media staff have published communication which uses soft, fuzzy, emotionally manipulative language to promote a product for over-18s. Sadly, it seems to have worked as I have seen posts where kids are asking their parents to buy these tokens. Imagine the uproar if it was kids asking their parents to buy Eden Mill or stick accumulators on?

This product has a fluctuating price value, meaning Hibs fans can lose money on it. This hasn't been clearly communicated, it's been buried in with the overly confusing language and the warm and fuzzy elements.

That's why I'm disappointed at it all from Sportemon Go and from Hibs. It's been communicated in completely the wrong way, duping folk and enticing kids to effectively gamble money away.

Again, there are many other actions of Sportemon Go and their community that just doesn't sit right with me and makes me feel deeply uneasy.

I’m not sure I’d agree that that the fact the value can decrease or increase is hidden away, I read it at least twice (iirc) in the messaging, and I would disagree that it’s positioned as an investment opportunity.

That’s not to say that i don’t broadly agree with the rest of your post and I think it’s good to get that insight from you.

[JohnStephens91]

I get the impression that you're letting your feelings toward SGO and their "product" influence your opinion of the launch.

No I'm not. I don't care about NFTs, or any other product like this, providing they are communicated in the correct way.

Your failure to come back on any other point is pretty telling, so I'll just leave it there and go and enjoy the rest of my evening. Thanks 👍

[Peevemor]

No I'm not. I don't care about NFTs, or any other product like this, providing they are communicated in the correct way.

Your failure to come back on any other point is pretty telling, so I'll just leave it there and go and enjoy the rest of my evening. Thanks 👍

I commented on the sentiment I got from your post, but I'm certainly not looking to dissect what you've said point by point. You obviously have the right to your opinion.

[Alex Trager]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SportemonGo/comments/qeuqua/sportemon_go_partners_with_rangers_football_club/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Seems as if Sportemongo are about to start sponsoring Rangers as well.

Hibs, ahead of the curve? [emoji3166]

[Zambernardi1875]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SportemonGo/comments/qeuqua/sportemon_go_partners_with_rangers_football_club/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Seems as if Sportemongo are about to start sponsoring Rangers as well.

Hibs, ahead of the curve? [emoji3166]

They already have sponsored rangers, the token is up over 130% since the weekend and also sponsored Russel crowes rugby team in Australia

[Alex Trager]

They already have sponsored rangers, the token is up over 130% since the weekend and also sponsored Russel crowes rugby team in Australia

Is it the same type of sponsorship as ours?

[Since452]

It is on the club's media staff to correctly and ethically communicate out about content to the supporters of the club. It is on the media staff to work with their colleagues who worked on the deal and the commercial partners, in this case Sportemon Go, to communicate about the product being pushed.

Someone, maybe yourself, has said that it is exactly the same as on Sportemon Go's website. This to me suggests that the post went out unchecked by anyone at the club, which is quite frankly ludicrous. You can't communicate using what is tantamount to a foreign language to your ordinary person. That's why communications professionals exist. I don't want to sound wise, but that's just a fact rather than an opinion. Apologies if that seems a bit blunt as it's not my intention.

The media staff have published communication which uses soft, fuzzy, emotionally manipulative language to promote a product for over-18s. Sadly, it seems to have worked as I have seen posts where kids are asking their parents to buy these tokens. Imagine the uproar if it was kids asking their parents to buy Eden Mill or stick accumulators on?

This product has a fluctuating price value, meaning Hibs fans can lose money on it. This hasn't been clearly communicated, it's been buried in with the overly confusing language and the warm and fuzzy elements.

That's why I'm disappointed at it all from Sportemon Go and from Hibs. It's been communicated in completely the wrong way, duping folk and enticing kids to effectively gamble money away.

Again, there are many other actions of Sportemon Go and their community that just doesn't sit right with me and makes me feel deeply uneasy.

Who has been duped?

[JohnM1875]

Seem to be everywhere just now. One of my favourite bands, Interpol, have just announced eight limited edition NFTs in collaboration with David Lynch! So some big names getting involved in this.

Still not really got a clue what NFTs are. Just a digital collectable by the looks of it. Interpol will be doing a newly recorded versions of one of my favourite songs as an NFT.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Wonder if this will impact interest… https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59129466

[w pilton hibby]

Now's your chance to get your token

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/hibs-fan-token-exclusive-pre-sale

[007]

Now's your chance to get your token

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/hibs-fan-token-exclusive-pre-sale

Need to be offering better prizes than those. Bronze and Gold prizes are only worth the cost of 2 or 3 tokens.

[ScottB]

You can keep them for life, or, you know, for 6 months until this lot go bust or get bored and move onto the next grift. Either or.

[MKHIBEE]

Now's your chance to get your token

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/hibs-fan-token-exclusive-pre-sale

I have bought the gold token, 2 tickets to VIP hospitality included.

[MKHIBEE]

A League Cup Final ticket guaranteed with the Gold token:wink:

[BobMilne]

Seem to be everywhere just now. One of my favourite bands, Interpol, have just announced eight limited edition NFTs in collaboration with David Lynch! So some big names getting involved in this.

Still not really got a clue what NFTs are. Just a digital collectable by the looks of it. Interpol will be doing a newly recorded versions of one of my favourite songs as an NFT.


You have good taste sir. Cracking band

[Jpdhfc]

I have bought the gold token, 2 tickets to VIP hospitality included.

Free entry into a draw for match day hospitality.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Sorry if this has been asked before but I'm not 100% on what this actually means. What can we actually do with the tokens?

[HibsGW]

Free entry into a draw for match day hospitality.

This is the worry with this stuff, nobody understands it all well enough to know what they’re actually getting for their money.

[MKHIBEE]

Free entry into a draw for match day hospitality.

My mistake, the word competition didn’t register when I read it.

[Edinburgh Green]

Sorry if this has been asked before but I'm not 100% on what this actually means. What can we actually do with the tokens?

No one knows what it means, but it's provocative, gets the people going!

[MKHIBEE]

Sorry if this has been asked before but I'm not 100% on what this actually means. What can we actually do with the tokens?

The pre sale news on the official site will give you an idea what holders of the tokens can expect

[Keith_M]

Sorry if this has been asked before but I'm not 100% on what this actually means. What can we actually do with the tokens?


It's basically like buying and selling shares in a company that doesn't actually produce anything, have any employees, has no offices and never makes any money.

You get a share certificate and wait to see if anybody else is willing to pay more money for your share than you did, therefore make money out of it.... or it might all go down the pan and people move on to the next 'business opportunity', and you lose all your money.


Some people are happy with that concept, others not so much.

[PolmontHibby]

Free entry into a draw for match day hospitality.

I won't be buying tokens as I prefer RFTs to NFTs......however it got me thinking (yet again) about how my season ticket compares.

Just been refreshing my memory that as a "Gold" season ticket holder there is meant to be a monthly draw and quarterly season ticket event.....but I can't remember seeing or receiving anything about this?

Or have I missed some communication?

[MKHIBEE]

Some info cut and pasted from the official site
Can I sell my Fan Tokens?Hibs Fan Tokens are digital collectable assets and are yours to keep for life. Much like receiving a signed shirt or piece of Hibernian memorabilia. The only difference is that your Fan Token brings you closer to Hibernian through a range of events, memorabilia, money-can’t-buy experiences, competitions and quizzes. While supporters are encouraged to keep and cherish their collectable Fan Token(s) as well as being reminded that the intention of purchasing the digital tokens as fans is not around trading, should you really want to sell your token you can list it for sale and trade it once the initial pre-sale is over.

[steve75]

My mistake, the word competition didn’t register when I read it.

That's because it wasn't there. It initially stated Free Entry to Hospitality. Email says the same. Another communication slip up...

[CMurdoch]

Now's your chance to get your token

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/hibs-fan-token-exclusive-pre-sale

Digital memorabilia, competitions and digital token shareholding in a digital concept.
The emperors new clothes indeed, as Keith describes below.

[Northernhibee]

Y'know, I've read about this before, had it explained to me and if I was put on the spot I still couldn't tell you what the **** this is.

[Keith_M]

Y'know, I've read about this before, had it explained to me and if I was put on the spot I still couldn't tell you what the **** this is.



It's easy. Just think of it as a Certificate for ownership of the Emperor's New Clothes, but you can't hold the certificate in your hand, or put it in a frame on the wall.

It's on a Computer, one of the many mysterious masses of internet servers, hidden away in the cellars of some Amazon or Microsoft owned building in South America or China.



If Hearts fans can pay vast sums of money to Mr Romanov for non-existent shares, then I see no problem with this whatsoever.

:wink:

[MKHIBEE]

It's easy. Just think of it as a Certificate for ownership of the Emperor's New Clothes, but you can't hold the certificate in your hand, or put it in a frame on the wall.

It's on a Computer, one of the many mysterious masses of internet servers, hidden away in the cellars of some Amazon or Microsoft owned building in South America or China.



If Hearts fans can pay vast sums of money to Mr Romanov for non-existent shares, then I see no problem with this whatsoever.

:wink:
Didn’t we ridicule them for tha though?

[Eyrie]

Didn’t we ridicule them for tha though?

Hence the :wink:

[007]

So 1 sold so far, anyone else bought some?

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

It's basically like buying and selling shares in a company that doesn't actually produce anything, have any employees, has no offices and never makes any money.

You get a share certificate and wait to see if anybody else is willing to pay more money for your share than you did, therefore make money out of it.... or it might all go down the pan and people move on to the next 'business opportunity', and you lose all your money.


Some people are happy with that concept, others not so much.


So... **** all then?🤣 Not for me, seems a bit mental and American styled exploitation of people's loyalty to their club.

[Northernhibee]

“ Hibs Fan Tokens can be traded on the SGO in-house exchange against HIB$, providing liquidity, value, credibility and more utility purpose. Other exchanges may be used for the launch and to further extend the offering in the initial growth stages.”

Have I been repeatedly hit over the head or is that absolute nonsense?

[Speedy]

“ Hibs Fan Tokens can be traded on the SGO in-house exchange against HIB$, providing liquidity, value, credibility and more utility purpose. Other exchanges may be used for the launch and to further extend the offering in the initial growth stages.”

Have I been repeatedly hit over the head or is that absolute nonsense?

I get the sense they are misleading people with the liquidity of these.

[Northernhibee]

I get the sense they are misleading people with the liquidity of these.

Liquidity of what? I don't even think I quite understand even that :greengrin

[Northernhibee]

I get the feeling that if I was going to say "Northernhibee tokens are the new, revolutionary and most exciting way to experience my posts. Send me £50 and you'll have £50 worth of Northernhibee tokens which give you the best .net experience of the puns, ***** dad jokes and hyperbole known to humankind", that wouldn't be that different from what's on offer here?

Seeing as how I don't have my own cryptocurrency (yet)

[007]

“ Hibs Fan Tokens can be traded on the SGO in-house exchange against HIB$, providing liquidity, value, credibility and more utility purpose. Other exchanges may be used for the launch and to further extend the offering in the initial growth stages.”

Have I been repeatedly hit over the head or is that absolute nonsense?

Smoke and mirrors if you ask me.

[smack]

Anyone know what’s happening with the Hibs Fan token. I signed up but have just been given a refund with no communication from Hibs as to why


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[pacoluna]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59730984?s=09

ASA ruled against arsenal for breaches regarding promoting fan tokens

[MKHIBEE]

Anyone know what’s happening with the Hibs Fan token. I signed up but have just been given a refund with no communication from Hibs as to why


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Same thing happened to me, bit shabby not communicating what’s happening

[Allant1981]

Seen them advertising them on the screens last night, doesnt help you though sorry

[Perd Hapley]

I feel deeply uneasy with this whole thing on various levels but the main thing I can't wrap my head around right now is how they can possibly be allowed to trade under the name 'Sportemon Go' when they're clearly riding on the coat tails of Pokémon Go - which is published by a company called Niantic and admittedly is a game, but as a product is largely built around a similar pitch of utilising innovative technology and marketing it direct to consumers. Can't understand how there hasn't been a lawsuit, unless there's some agreement in place. I'm no lawyer but it seems pretty cut and dry to me...

[Centre Hawf]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59730984?s=09

ASA ruled against arsenal for breaches regarding promoting fan tokens

A lot of this can be applied to Hibs/SportemonGo. Stuff that was initially brought up months ago and a few decided to tell us was overthinking/club bashing.

Hopefully someone has woken up at Hibs and ditched this after the news.

[SaulGoodman]

Stand by my point from months ago. Dodgy as ****

[Jamesie]

Poor that there’s been a lack of comms over this to people who unexpectedly received refunds - although if it had signalled the club severing ties with this then I would have seen it as for the greater good - alas the advertising last night suggests the relationship continues.

From what I’ve read about this I see no good reason for Hibs to have anything to do with it and, more importantly, to be encouraging fans to engage with it. I say this as someone who has previously successfully dabbled with Bitcoin, but with cash that I knew I had to be fully prepared to lose in its entirety. That was entirely of my own volition and nobody was suggesting in doing so I was in some way amplifying my support for Hibs.

I remember as a child I couldn’t really understand why Hibs would have an interest in wine bars. As an adult, I can’t really understand why Hibs would have an interest in tokens. Sometimes you’re best to go with your gut instincts.

[Irish_Steve]

Anyone know what’s happening with the Hibs Fan token. I signed up but have just been given a refund with no communication from Hibs as to why


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I hope you don't take this the wrong way but why would Hibs be in contact with you, surely it should be Sportmegon you would be in contact with. It's like if you had a problem with a Manscape order (another sponsor of ours), it wouldn't be up to Hibs to sort it out

Does that make sense?

[easty]

I hope you don't take this the wrong way but why would Hibs be in contact with you, surely it should be Sportmegon you would be in contact with. It's like if you had a problem with a Manscape order (another sponsor of ours), it wouldn't be up to Hibs to sort it out

Does that make sense?

I knicked my baws with my manscape and Ron Gordon came round to mines with some savlon.

[Irish_Steve]

I knicked my baws with my manscape and Ron Gordon came round to mines with some savlon.

Some folk get all the luck, knowing me, I'd get our physio

[smack]

I hope you don't take this the wrong way but why would Hibs be in contact with you, surely it should be Sportmegon you would be in contact with. It's like if you had a problem with a Manscape order (another sponsor of ours), it wouldn't be up to Hibs to sort it out

Does that make sense?

I paid the money to hibs and it was hibs that gave me the refund so I would expect hibs to have contacted me to explain why or at least explain it on the website or on twitter. I’ve also messaged hibs 6 days ago and still not had a reply


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[MKHIBEE]

I hope you don't take this the wrong way but why would Hibs be in contact with you, surely it should be Sportmegon you would be in contact with. It's like if you had a problem with a Manscape order (another sponsor of ours), it wouldn't be up to Hibs to sort it out

Does that make sense?

Until we know why the refunds were given it’s difficult to know who should be in contact. The money was paid to Hibs, the next step was for Sportemon go to contact each individual who subscribed. I never heard from them so it may be that my money was still with Hibs who took the decision to refund it due to inactivity on Sportemon Go’s part

[Irish_Steve]

I paid the money to hibs and it was hibs that gave me the refund so I would expect hibs to have contacted me to explain why or at least explain it on the website or on twitter. I’ve also messaged hibs 6 days ago and still not had a reply


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Fair enough - I never signed up so didn't realise how it work. It still looks dodgy AF to me

[smack]

Fair enough - I never signed up so didn't realise how it work. It still looks dodgy AF to me

It was only £20. Nothing to get worried about


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[PolmontHibby]

We appear to have disappeared from their website - Sevco and Luke Shaw stuff still available if anyone interested.

Sportebots have also airdropped and can now be hunted...........I have no idea what that means.

[WhileTheChief..]

Still there…

https://www.sportemongo.com/news/

[FitbaFolkKen]

Same thing happened to me, bit shabby not communicating what’s happening

Me too, I emailed club and Sportemon Go and got no response.

Incredibly poor when you consider the negative reaction from the fan base to then ignore the small percentage that bought in.


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[PolmontHibby]

Still there…

https://www.sportemongo.com/news/

Maybe just me but the links to buy the Hibs tokens no longer work - I am a luddite

[Renton1875]

Maybe just me but the links to buy the Hibs tokens no longer work - I am a luddite

Not just you, the links either don't work or circle you back to the pre-sale article. I wonder if there was a minimum sale requirement to make it viable and we didn't reach it.

I also had my purchase refunded and despite asking have had no explanation from Hibs.

[WhileTheChief..]

So as things stand, we can’t buy Hibs tokens, which presumably means nobody can, but we have the cash in the bank from Sportemongo for the sponsorship.

Decent result really.

[Irish_Steve]

Just as an aside, I saw the The Rangers had also signed up for this. I wonder if you can still buy into their scheme, not that I would! They have a bigger fan base so you would expect more of an uptake. Whole thing still stinks to me

[itslegaltender]

Got this response today

Thank you for your interest in the Hibernian Fan Token and your purchase of the presale pack.

We & Sportemon Go have made the decision to postpone the initial offering of the token to create further interest.

Due to this postponement, we have refunded your presale pack. Refunds were processed at the beginning of December so you should have received your refund back to your original payment method.

Thank you for your continued support and we apologise for the delay in this communication.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year when it comes!

[Renton1875]

Got this response today

Thank you for your interest in the Hibernian Fan Token and your purchase of the presale pack.

We & Sportemon Go have made the decision to postpone the initial offering of the token to create further interest.

Due to this postponement, we have refunded your presale pack. Refunds were processed at the beginning of December so you should have received your refund back to your original payment method.

Thank you for your continued support and we apologise for the delay in this communication.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year when it comes!

Yeah, just received the same. Looks like a lack of interest, which is strange given the number of NFT fans on social media that were so excited to buy in.

[FitbaFolkKen]

Yeah, just received the same. Looks like a lack of interest, which is strange given the number of NFT fans on social media that were so excited to buy in.

That’s interesting, I got the same email but I sent a stroppy one yesterday and thought it was just a response to my moaning as opposed to a generic email [emoji23]



Good Evening,

I’m emailing Sportemon Go for clarity on the Hibs fan token. I purchased the item below and was informed that I would be contacted regarding redeeming my purchase. As you can see below I emailed as no follow up email appeared. I’ve now been refunded my initial payment.

I’m incredibly disappointed with my experience and the terrible service from a partner promoted by my football club, my purchase driven by my affinity for the club. Particularly as it is breaking into a new market where there was substantial cynicism from the majority of fans, to then confirm that distrust with the fans that did commit is crazy.

I don’t want to buy the package any more, however, I would like an explanation as to what happened with my order. I know other fans have experienced the same thing and I have no desire to engage any further.

Best Regards


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[MKHIBEE]

So, because they did not have enough interest they decide to cancel the sale until more people were prepared to part with their money? I’m out.

[MKHIBEE]

So, because they did not have enough interest they decide to cancel the sale until more people were prepared to part with their money? I’m out.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59596267

It's absolute pish, and hopefully this is last we ever hear of the link up with this unfortunately named scam merchant.

[Killiehibbie]

It was only £20. Nothing to get worried about


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I wouldn't mind a few thousand people each giving me only £20. Go for a million donators the next time.

[Pretty Boy]

I don't think it was a scam but it would have looked a lot less like a scam if the company had managed to avoid making it look like such at every opportunity.

I'm not against Hibs trying new things but I think this is just another misread of the Scottish market. I'm sure NFTs will do very well for the likes of Manchester United, Real Madrid, PSG etc. They will attract the football hipsters and the Fifa fan boys already used to shelling out a lot of money for their pay to win packs on Ultimate Team with no material value in the real world. Do they have any interest in Hibs?

I'd doubt the uptake among Hibs fans numbered more than a few dozen, low hundreds at best. It was badly marketed with the rush of scripted Twitter replies about dreams coming true and the like, the leaked WhatsApp screenshot from the founder and now refunds with no explanation. Not a scam but, to quote an often used phrase, a shambles.

[hibsdaft]

I wonder if we will ever see any money from this saga.

[Irish_Steve]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59596267

It's absolute pish, and hopefully this is last we ever hear of the link up with this unfortunately named scam merchant.

Hang on, buy this stuff and you can get to vote on what songs they play over the tannoy. I'm back in for it again. Looking forward to hearing "Too Drunk to ****" by The Dead Kennedy's at ht - that would certainly raise a few from the slumbers lol

[Eyrie]

Hang on, buy this stuff and you can get to vote on what songs they play over the tannoy. I'm back in for it again. Looking forward to hearing "Too Drunk to ****" by The Dead Kennedy's at ht - that would certainly raise a few from the slumbers lol

Went to a match
I sang all night
Ate sixteen pies
Porto started up a fight

[Centre Hawf]

So, because they did not have enough interest they decide to cancel the sale until more people were prepared to part with their money? I’m out.

They clearly wanted more interest and people buying in to inflate their value.

[Irish_Steve]

Went to a match
I sang all night
Ate sixteen pies
Porto started up a fight

I’m going to sing that from now on lol

[Heisenberg]

It appears this was actually a massive ****ing scam all along. Company seems to have gone out of business/stopped trading. All social accounts look closed.

[AugustaHibs]

Why are people getting so humpty about this?

I've read through the stuff on the official site and then pretty much the same stuff on the sportemongo site.

All that's being offered is access to some quizzes, forums, etc. as part of an online community as well as the possibility of winning signed merchandise, match tickets & other fan stuff.

There's absolutely no mention of investment, making money or getting rich quick.

I won't be subscribing as, even for a tenner, there's nothing that really interests me. As for splashing out £100, I doubt they'll get any takers apart from maybe 1 or 2 bored very well off supporters who won't miss it anyway. In saying that, if they start offering decent prizes (eg. hospitality) regularly enough then maybe that might entice people - and why not?

I don't really do Twitter but I understand that the bots might look suspect, but are they really going to persuade anyone who can't afford it to pile money in?

Lol.

[The dalmeny]

6945258 (tel:6945258)[/URL]]It appears this was actually a massive ****ing scam all along. Company seems to have gone out of business/stopped trading. All social accounts look closed.

got links to anything on this?

[Sir David Gray]

got links to anything on this?

It's all over Twitter.

Whoever set up this deal has serious questions to answer.

[Since90+2]

If your average fan can smell a rat a mile away then the person at the club who put this deal in place had serious questions to answer.

[SaulGoodman]

Who’d have thunk it?

[Bostonhibby]

Who’d have thunk it?Not our CEO?

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[Pretty Boy]

Apparently Rangers have thousands of next seasons strips printed with the Sportemongo logo ready for a kit launch. All now unusable. Shame.

Seriously though. Whoever gave this the OK at Hibs and Rangers really needs hauled over the coals. Uptake may have been low but people will still have lost money to something that every other person spotted as a scam but the clubs gave it an appearance of legitimacy.

[SaulGoodman]

Not our CEO?

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I’ve not been one to stick the boot in to the CEO in recent weeks, however he should have serious questions to answer for this.

The majority of the support could’ve told you this was a scam from day one.

An embarrassing partnership with an embarrassing end.

[SteveHFC]

Whoever agreed this partnership was a great idea in the first place should just go.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

https://twitter.com/MetaDogRacing/status/1521142811235856384?t=mUAw9iUPB_fIgmGdfS9oNw&s=19

Ricky Jackson's twitter

[Bostonhibby]

I’ve not been one to stick the boot in to the CEO in recent weeks, however he should have serious questions to answer for this.

The majority of the support could’ve told you this was a scam from day one.

An embarrassing partnership with an embarrassing end.

An earlier embarrassing partnership with an embarrassing end.

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/norwich-city-fans-react-to-bk8-instagram-8032932

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[Vault Boy]

By no means can I be certain, but I don't think Ben Kensell had much to do with this partnership.

Still, a department that a CEO is invariably across so should be monitoring closely.

[JohnM1875]

By no means can I be certain, but I don't think Ben Kensell had much to do with this partnership.

Still, a department that a CEO is invariably across so should be monitoring closely.

Whoever agreed it needs punted.

[Ryan91]

It appears this was actually a massive ****ing scam all along. Company seems to have gone out of business/stopped trading. All social accounts look closed.

Cryptocurrencies and NFTs are a massive scam as a whole. Absolutely full of pump and dump schemes, this seems like another classic pump and dump that's been rumbled.

I feel sorry for any fans who bought into this and have lost money.

Would hope that the club think more carefully in future about their commercial partnerships

[Vault Boy]

Whoever agreed it needs punted.

I think it's a balancing act. Our commercial revenue has grown admirably and there has been some really tireless work to build a diverse portfolio of partners paying into the club.

However, this was a very significant fumble and needs to be subject to a proper internal enquiry. A significant red flag that can't be ignored.

Edit: In fact, I'm understating it. If fans have bought into this and lost all their invested money off the back of it, then who's to say it isn't a sackable offence.

[Since452]

Rangers have a partnership with them too.

[The dalmeny]

It's all over Twitter.

Whoever set up this deal has serious questions to answer.

👍

[Stuart93]

What the **** is going on at our club right now, absolute amateur hour.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

What the **** is going on at our club right now, absolute amateur hour.

It’s all under the watch of our fairly new CEO.

[Billy Whizz]

By no means can I be certain, but I don't think Ben Kensell had much to do with this partnership.

Still, a department that a CEO is invariably across so should be monitoring closely.

It’s Greg McEwan all over it

[Prof. Shaggy]

https://twitter.com/MetaDogRacing/status/1521142811235856384?t=mUAw9iUPB_fIgmGdfS9oNw&s=19

Ricky Jackson's twitter

I read that.

Did not understand one word.

[Radium]

Rangers have a partnership with them too.

… Andy Robertson and Luke Shaw as well if I remember correctly.


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[Chorley Hibee]

Add this to the Mueller news and you can see the mess we find ourselves in right now.

Grave concerns about what is happening at ER now.

[WestStandWillie]

I thought a fan token was one of they wee coin replacers that you put in trolleys. Every day’s a school day.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

I read that.

Did not understand one word.

Cyber greyhounds is where it's at now...

[itslegaltender]

I invested in it and money got returned before Christmas, there was no real comms from club on it at all though. Think it was on back of Arsenal court case involving Sporte *****. I dont think any Hibees will have lost money here. Might be wrong.

[Eyrie]

No real surprise.

[1875Sean]

Add this to the Mueller news and you can see the mess we find ourselves in right now.

Grave concerns about what is happening at ER now.

Bit of an over reaction to the mueller news, guy was never good enough, getting him off the books frees up a wage for us to get someone better in

[SaulGoodman]

IMO, it’s a thinly veiled cryptocurrency pyramid scheme, they’ll sell the currency to their members before the “Hibs fan token” is released to the public. Hibs fans will then buy these (hopefully not many!) with some vague promise that they will be entered into competitions etc. This will push the price of their currency up and they’ll sell it when it’s high and disappear onto their next target.

Personally I think the clubs being taken for a ride here.

Basically what happened.

[Centre Hawf]

Maybe many will be. But I don't think Hibs fans should be taken advantage of through the use of the clubs name. It's crass and irresponsible from the clubs perspective in my opinion. We chose not to have gambling sponsors for ethical reasons and this basically gambling as well.

To answer your question about how supporters are being conned you need only look at the screenshot posted previously and what others have said, they've already started selling these things to their own members before it goes to Hibs fans. That's how this scam works, the company makes their money by selling to their own close market/circle of NFT people, who will then make even less money by selling them to those of us who are interested in getting involved with something to do with Hibs. The only difference is after a Hibs fan buys these things they have no one to get rid of it to and are stuck with something that is effectively worth nothing.

Rinse and repeat onto the next club, athlete, or sport. Pyramid scheme.


You're right that it's not being presented as a money making opportunity through the Club itself, but I'll try and explain in some quick details as why I think this is an actual scam for not just normal supporters but actual crypto/NFT people who are aware of the potential to make money on these things.

SportemonGo opened earlier this year and if you analyse their own crypto (SGO) value chart it took a massive spike in value in late August, just 10 or so days before we announced the partnership with them. Recently the value of it has began to go down and with more volume being traded with newer purchasers of the crypto. Basically the value has been inflated and is now being peddled onto newer people joining in with them with the previous owners of the currency selling it at rapid pace.

Having a look at the current state of ownership of SGO 60% of the entire value of the coin is owned by just 5 separate wallets (could be five people but there is no way to know that someone doesn't own multiple or all of them).

In my opinion this company is over inflating the coins value to scam NFT/Crypto people using Hibs as a platform to do so. It's a double whammy of a scam and the clubs name is being attached to it.

I hate to be an I told you so person but I want to highlight the things I said back in October, hopefully this can serve as a reminder on what people need to look for in future if anyone does want to get into crypto/NFT's, as this is a market that sadly is not going away any time soon.

This was a clear scam from day one and having read some of the earlier replies in this thread I'm now certain that anyone that defended it had absolutely no idea what this market is remotely like.

[Alex Trager]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/sportemongo-hibs-move-to-allay-fans-fears-after-key-nft-partner-ceases-trading-3678327

[St.Kristopher]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/sportemongo-hibs-move-to-allay-fans-fears-after-key-nft-partner-ceases-trading-3678327

Good to see no Hibs fan is out off pocket here. Also doesn’t seem Hibs have been financially impacted either.

[WhileTheChief..]

Hibs made money, no fans lost money.

Result!

[mayo hibee]

no fans have been left out of pocket and a new partnership will be confirmed in the near future.


So, basically we've just about gotten away with this one but we're going to fire straight back into the same nonsense with another "trusted partner".

I do wonder how gullible sections of our support need to be to get involved with these kind of scams - but then when you see how many people genuinely wanted Roy Keane to be the next manager maybe it shouldn't be that much of a surprise...

[steve75]

Looks to me they're just going under, rather than a rug pull. Doesn't mean it was a good business decision by Hibs, but it's hardly like they bought a load of Squid Game coin with the season ticker money, and told us to do the same.

That said though, if any business is going to get involved with this, and expect their fans/members etc to get involved also, they need to wise up.

[Chorley Hibee]

So, basically we've just about gotten away with this one but we're going to fire straight back into the same nonsense with another "trusted partner".

I do wonder how gullible sections of our support need to be to get involved with these kind of scams - but then when you see how many people genuinely wanted Roy Keane to be the next manager maybe it shouldn't be that much of a surprise...

That's what jumped out at me too, the fact we're about to jump into bed with 'another trusted partner' from the same unregulated industry.

Seems we've learnt nothing from this.

[Ringothedog]

That's what jumped out at me too, the fact we're about to jump into bed with 'another trusted partner' from the same unregulated industry.

Seems we've learnt nothing from this.

Too me it sounds like we have learned from this. Is it possible that the new partnership is the Sorare one mentioned in the article and not one we are doing ourselves?