Doyle Hayes

[Mr. Wonderful]

Were St Mirren fans right? Huge tail off from him in the last month.

[easty]

I thought they were disappointed to lose him…

[Allant1981]

Were St Mirren fans right? Huge tail off from him in the last month.

St mirren fans weren't happy he left

[Centre Hawf]

I thought they were disappointed to lose him…

They were.

I think the guy has struggled to get back to full fitness after getting Covid, hopefully it comes back soon because he's cool operator on the ball.

[tamig]

He’s a good player and I think the absence of Magennis isn’t helping with his current form.

[Unseen work]

I do remember reading that he started off very good but then tailed off and wasn’t as influential.

Fwiw I think he’s a really good player with lots of top attritbutes, he was poor yesterday but no need to overthink it IMO.

[Jones28]

I hope he shows more than he did yesterday, a performance Brian Kerr would be proud of.

[Brightside]

So he’s gone from being our best signing to a write off. Ffs.

[HibsGW]

I get criticising him for having a bad game but the implication that ‘maybe he’s actually just tom kite’ because he’s had a poor game is ridiculous

[madhatter]

He and Newell are too alike. Can't have both in the team. It's like having 2 Mallans playing defensive mid. Can't defend and shield the defence and both slow the game down playing 5 yard passes in slow motion. Both got torn apart by a much more mobile Dundee United midfield.

Fuchs is a good player, mobile and contributes at both ends of the pitch. Exactly what we needed in midfield.

[Danderhall Hibs]

So he’s gone from being our best signing to a write off. Ffs.

I think someone said on another thread you can take the average as the last game played? Which means that you disregard all the 7, 8 and 9 out of 10 games he’s played this season - take the 4/10 from yesterday and say his average this season is 4/10.

Wasn’t my understanding of averages but happy to bow to the superior knowledge.

[Brightside]

I think someone said on another thread you can take the average as the last game played? Which means that you disregard all the 7, 8 and 9 out of 10 games he’s played this season - take the 4/10 from yesterday and say his average this season is 4/10.

Wasn’t my understanding of averages but happy to bow to the superior knowledge.

Indeed. It certainly wasnt what i said. He’s been one of our top performers. A stand out in most games. On average he remains one of our top performers. Clear that some can’t wait for a few more poor games.

[J-C]

I think Covid maybe still maybe effecting him, it can take many weeks to get your strength and energy back after it.

[Brightside]

He and Newell are too alike. Can't have both in the team. It's like having 2 Mallans playing defensive mid. Can't defend and shield the defence and both slow the game down playing 5 yard passes in slow motion. Both got torn apart by a much more mobile Dundee United midfield.

Fuchs is a good player, mobile and contributes at both ends of the pitch. Exactly what we needed in midfield.

They aren’t alike at all. And they’ve played together in many of our best performances this season.

[madhatter]

They aren’t alike at all. And they’ve played together in many of our best performances this season.

How are they not alike? Both drop deep to get ball. Neither drive forward with the ball and neither are particularly good at defending.

[Brightside]

How are they not alike? Both drop deep to get ball. Neither drive forward with the ball and neither are particularly good at defending.

From “ball.” Everything thing you’ve said is just wrong.

[Peevemor]

How are they not alike? Both drop deep to get ball. Neither drive forward with the ball and neither are particularly good at defending.

Newell is very good at winning the ball - I think it goes unnoticed as he almost always stays on his feet.

[Jones28]

Newell is very good at winning the ball - I think it goes unnoticed as he almost always stays on his feet.

Yepp. Glad we’re agreeing again 😜

[RyeSloan]

From “ball.” Everything thing you’ve said is just wrong.

Opinions eh. I thought they looked like they were both trying to do the same job. Not the first time I’ve seen them side by side looking like the same player.

They may be able to play in the same team but quite why Ross has both of them sitting in the same position that only needs one player I have no idea.

[madhatter]

From “ball.” Everything thing you’ve said is just wrong.

How is it wrong? Look at the average positions of the Dundee United midfield and JDH and Newells. If you think they drive forward and close down and get stuck in then I think we watched different game.

I'm not even criticising them. I'm just saying they both are very similar. It's like playing with 2 McGeouch type players. Tidy on the ball but never going to break the lines. I'd prefer a more combative player to protect our shoddy defence.

[easty]

He and Newell are too alike. Can't have both in the team. It's like having 2 Mallans playing defensive mid. Can't defend and shield the defence and both slow the game down playing 5 yard passes in slow motion. Both got torn apart by a much more mobile Dundee United midfield.

Fuchs is a good player, mobile and contributes at both ends of the pitch. Exactly what we needed in midfield.

Nothing alike

[madhatter]

Nothing alike

Do people actually watch the football?

How would you describe the two? Is one box to box and one a defensive unit protecting the defence? One take the ball from the defence and drive the team forward 30 yards?

[Brightside]

Opinions eh. I thought they looked like they were both trying to do the same job. Not the first time I’ve seen them side by side looking like the same player.

They may be able to play in the same team but quite why Ross has both of them sitting in the same position that only needs one player I have no idea.

I’m not talking about the game yesterday just to be clear. As I’ve not even seen it as I’m away on holiday. But they have played that formation together in the fast majority of games when they have been fit. And they have performed well in those games. JDH and Newell have great stats for defensive tackles and Newell stats for passes that end in chances are very high. It was only 2 games ago that everyone was saying how great they are.

[Brightside]

Do people actually watch the football?

How would you describe the two? Is one box to box and one a defensive unit protecting the defence? One take the ball from the defence and drive the team forward 30 yards?

Newell plays much higher up the pitch than JDH. But he also comes deep as required.

[madhatter]

I’m not talking about the game yesterday just to be clear. As I’ve not even seen it as I’m away on holiday. But they have played that formation together in the fast majority of games when they have been fit. And they have performed well in those games. JDH and Newell have great stats for defensive tackles and Newell stats for passes that end in chances are very high. It was only 2 games ago that everyone was saying how great they are.

"Everyone was saying how great they are". I wasn't for a start. Again I'm not slating them as players but when we attack we need more advancement in the middle of the pitch I think that's why Magennis was missed badly. No presence even close to Nisbet.

[Northernhibee]

They aren’t alike at all. And they’ve played together in many of our best performances this season.

And Newell’s interception stats have always been good too. In fact, he’s been my player of the season so far.

[madhatter]

Newell plays much higher up the pitch than JDH. But he also comes deep as required.

Much higher? Not sure why Nisbet is so isolated then.

Funny how Allan was playing attacking midfield and rarely saw Newell alongside him...

They are both deep playmakers. Drop deep and shift the ball.

[easty]

Do people actually watch the football?

How would you describe the two? Is one box to box and one a defensive unit protecting the defence? One take the ball from the defence and drive the team forward 30 yards?

It’s not football manager on the pc. It’s real life.

[madhatter]

It’s not football manager on the pc. It’s real life.

Well describe how you think they are nothing alike then. They play in the same unit of the pitch - midfield. So there is one similarity. Sorry, is "midfield" a football manager term as well?

[easty]

Well describe how you think they are nothing alike then. They play in the same unit of the pitch - midfield. So there is one similarity. Sorry, is "midfield" a football manager term as well?

You’re right. They both play in “midfield” so they’re similar players. Sorry. They must be the same type of player as Gogic tae then.

Newell drives the ball up the park and JDH never does. JDH recycles it, to Newell. Not sure what the football manager terms would be though.

[B.H.F.C]

Well describe how you think they are nothing alike then. They play in the same unit of the pitch - midfield. So there is one similarity. Sorry, is "midfield" a football manager term as well?

They shouldn’t really be that alike but they are because Newell, for me, generally plus within himself. When he wants to he’s capable of going and influencing the game further up the park. He can get about the pitch and go past the players. Yesterday they just filled the same area and neither of them really did anything.

[RyeSloan]

I’m not talking about the game yesterday just to be clear. As I’ve not even seen it as I’m away on holiday. But they have played that formation together in the fast majority of games when they have been fit. And they have performed well in those games. JDH and Newell have great stats for defensive tackles and Newell stats for passes that end in chances are very high. It was only 2 games ago that everyone was saying how great they are.

Well I am talking about yesterday’s game and it’s not the first time either.

They were literally right next to each other the whole of the first half in particular yesterday. We ended up having two sitting mids in front of the back four and then a huge hole in front of them. It looked like they were running in about in each other’s shadows.

And while they do have varying attributes they also have a number of similarities to me. Technically good footballers. Neat n tidy on the ball. Happy to receive and pass it on. Can track and tackle but in a effective but not in an overly dominant/ noticeable manner.

Doesn’t make either of them bad footballers and I actually don’t quite see why other thought JDH was so bad yesterday. To me he did what he does but had limited options in front of him nor did many of his team mates effect the game overly positively, including Newell.

[madhatter]

You’re right. They both play in “midfield” so they’re similar players. Sorry. They must be the same type of player as Gogic tae then.

Newell drives the ball up the park and JDH never does. JDH recycles it, to Newell. Not sure what the football manager terms would be though.

We've finally replaced John McGinn then. Didn't realise Newell was doing that. Taking the ball and driving up the pitch with the ball. I'm not sure why I've missed that...I couldn't have missed it in a blink of the eye as he runs in slow motion and pirouettes more than a ballerina, very strange.

No, I've made no comparisons to Gogic. You were being silly about terms so I mentioned "midfield". Box to box is a fairly common term outside of PC and football manager but you were trying to be smart. Not sure why tbh.

We clearly watch different football. Newell plays higher up than JDH and drives the team up the pitch is your truth. Mines is both largely sit 10-15 yards away from our defence for most of the match, dropping deep to provide a passing option and (hopefully) get the ball moving faster to the other side of the pitch.

[Brightside]

We've finally replaced John McGinn then. Didn't realise Newell was doing that. Taking the ball and driving up the pitch with the ball. I'm not sure why I've missed that...I couldn't have missed it in a blink of the eye as he runs in slow motion and pirouettes more than a ballerina, very strange.

No, I've made no comparisons to Gogic. You were being silly about terms so I mentioned "midfield". Box to box is a fairly common term outside of PC and football manager but you were trying to be smart. Not sure why tbh.

We clearly watch different football. Newell plays higher up than JDH and drives the team up the pitch is your truth. Mines is both largely sit 10-15 yards away from our defence for most of the match, dropping deep to provide a passing option and (hopefully) get the ball moving faster to the other side of the pitch.

The stats say different. Always believe the stats rather than a human eye.

[madhatter]

The stats say different. Always believe the stats rather than a human eye.

What stats? Please share.

[easty]

We've finally replaced John McGinn then. Didn't realise Newell was doing that. Taking the ball and driving up the pitch with the ball. I'm not sure why I've missed that...I couldn't have missed it in a blink of the eye as he runs in slow motion and pirouettes more than a ballerina, very strange.

No, I've made no comparisons to Gogic. You were being silly about terms so I mentioned "midfield". Box to box is a fairly common term outside of PC and football manager but you were trying to be smart. Not sure why tbh.

We clearly watch different football. Newell plays higher up than JDH and drives the team up the pitch is your truth. Mines is both largely sit 10-15 yards away from our defence for most of the match, dropping deep to provide a passing option and (hopefully) get the ball moving faster to the other side of the pitch.

If you’ve no seen Joe Newell playing further up the park than JDH, then I’ve nae idea what you’ve been watching.

You think one thing. I think another. Let’s just leave it there.

[Northernhibee]

Joe Newell has excellent technical ability and positioning. His passing range is very good, he brings the ball up the field and plays a lot of very clever passes. He's also able to get back and intercept the ball.

Doyle Hayes sits deeper, helps dictate the pace of play and offers an option if we need to go back the way. He allows Newell and Magennis to take the ball further forward with less risk.

It's a bit similar to having Fyvie and McGeouch in the same team IMO. Two quite different players who won't chip in with many goals but both provide a vital function.

[lord bunberry]

Do people actually watch the football?

How would you describe the two? Is one box to box and one a defensive unit protecting the defence? One take the ball from the defence and drive the team forward 30 yards?
Have you ever considered the possibility that it’s you that’s wrong? Plenty people are disagreeing with you and our experienced manager disagrees with you. To say do people actually watch the football makes you come across as a bit of a know it all if I’m being honest.

[Alfred E Newman]

So he’s gone from being our best signing to a write off. Ffs.

Hibs net at its best.

[madhatter]

Have you ever considered the possibility that it’s you that’s wrong? Plenty people are disagreeing with you and our experienced manager disagrees with you. To say do people actually watch the football makes you come across as a bit of a know it all if I’m being honest.

Someone provide me the stats that Joe Newell is positionally much higher up the pitch than JDH then I'll happily concede that I'm wrong.

If my statement of "Do people actually watch the football?" is perceived as "know it all" kind of statement I guess the ones that came earlier in the debate from the "plenty people" you speak of are not in the slightest bit "know it all":

"From “ball.” Everything thing you’ve said is just wrong."

That doesn't suit you're argument though does it? I guess me replying like this will make me come across as a bit of a know it all again...honestly, what a damn shame.

[Peevemor]

Hibs net at its best.I honestly don't know why things have changed so much here. There have always been some extreme (and sometimes mental) views, but now there doesn't seem to be any place for nuance. Everything's either black or white - crap/embarrassing/abysmal or great/sublime/brilliant. There doesn't seem to be room for anything in between, which is a shame because that's normally where things are.

It worsened last year and some suggested that it was down to covid, lock down, etc. but we're almost out of that now.

Is it maybe drugs or bevvie or something?

Whatever it is it's pretty unbearable on here at times.

[Hiber-nation]

I honestly don't know why things have changed so much here. There have always been some extreme (and sometimes mental) views, but now there doesn't seem to be any place for nuance. Everything's either black or white - crap/embarrassing/abysmal or great/sublime/brilliant. There doesn't seem to be room for anything in between, which is a shame because that's normally where things are.

It worsened last year and some suggested that it was down to covid, lock down, etc. but we're almost out of that.

Is it maybe drugs or bevvie or something?

Whatever it is it's pretty unbearable on here at times.

It's actually quite simple. As I saw it Doyle Hayes was very good in his first couple of games, brilliant in his next few, missed a couple of games and has been poor since then. JR might not have been referring to him in particular but I doubt drugs/bevvy were involved when he was talking about the players being lazy and selfish :wink:

[JohnM1875]

I think it's often the reaction of some folk to the OP that's occasionally overboard.

The OP only asked a question about Doyle-Hayes seeing as his form has seemed to drop a bit since coming back from injury. Suddenly folk are taking that as saying JDH is now a write off. Don't think anyone has ever said that.

If you can't debate a Hibs players recent form on a Hibs forum then what's the point?

[Peevemor]

I think it's often the reaction of some folk to the OP that's occasionally overboard.

The OP only asked a question about Doyle-Hayes seeing as his form has seemed to drop a bit since coming back from injury. Suddenly folk are taking that as saying JDH is now a write off. Don't think anyone has ever said that.

If you can't debate a Hibs players recent form on a Hibs forum then what's the point?I'm not meaning this thread in particular - just the comment that I quoted. Of course we're here to discuss and debate, but everything seems to be taken to extremes these days.

[JohnM1875]

I'm not meaning this thread in particular - just the comment that I quoted. Of course we're here to discuss and debate, but everything seems to be taken to extremes these days.

Ah, I see. My bad 👍

[Brightside]

What stats? Please share.

Do your own research. It’s been discussed many times on here. Some people are always shocked that their eyes don’t always see what’s actually happening on the pitch. We all have that issue.

[madhatter]

Do your own research. It’s been discussed many times on here. Some people are always shocked that their eyes don’t always see what’s actually happening on the pitch. We all have that issue.

My research shows that according to a few stat sites that they have both played defensive mid in 4 games this season. They both have a similar pass success percentage and both have a similar shots per game percentage as well. Both have similar aerial battles won per game as well.

[B.H.F.C]

Do your own research. It’s been discussed many times on here. Some people are always shocked that their eyes don’t always see what’s actually happening on the pitch. We all have that issue.

Folk will use whatever they want to suit their own argument. Just as an example, you could probably look at Newell’s stats yesterday and think that he must have passed the ball well, because there’ll still be a relatively high level of accuracy. Meanwhile, anybody who was actually at the game would know he (along with the rest of them) did nothing to influence the game. Stats don’t tell the whole story, not a chance.

[jacomo]

Indeed. It certainly wasnt what i said. He’s been one of our top performers. A stand out in most games. On average he remains one of our top performers. Clear that some can’t wait for a few more poor games.


Please stop.

Can’t we discuss a player without casting aspersions on the supposed agenda held by x number of unidentified fans?

[jacomo]

I honestly don't know why things have changed so much here. There have always been some extreme (and sometimes mental) views, but now there doesn't seem to be any place for nuance. Everything's either black or white - crap/embarrassing/abysmal or great/sublime/brilliant. There doesn't seem to be room for anything in between, which is a shame because that's normally where things are.

It worsened last year and some suggested that it was down to covid, lock down, etc. but we're almost out of that now.

Is it maybe drugs or bevvie or something?

Whatever it is it's pretty unbearable on here at times.


Dude…

You’re as guilty of this as anyone on here.

Maybe the change starts from within?

[Peevemor]

Dude…

You’re as guilty of this as anyone on here.

Maybe the change starts from within?Show me any extreme (football) opinions that I've posted.

[Seveno]

I think Covid maybe still maybe effecting him, it can take many weeks to get your strength and energy back after it.

German football has calculated a loss of 5% in fitness levels after apparent recovery. That is a huge loss at elite level where 1% can be significant.

[jacomo]

Show me any extreme (football) opinions that I've posted.


I’m not going to do that because I’m in no mood for another argument with you.

With respect, you’re a nightmare at times.

[Peevemor]

I’m not going to do that because I’m in no mood for another argument with you.

With respect, you’re a nightmare at times.Next time you're going to have a pop, justify it. If not keep your false opinions to yourself.

With respect.

[Stonewall]

Joe Newell has excellent technical ability and positioning. His passing range is very good, he brings the ball up the field and plays a lot of very clever passes. He's also able to get back and intercept the ball.

Doyle Hayes sits deeper, helps dictate the pace of play and offers an option if we need to go back the way. He allows Newell and Magennis to take the ball further forward with less risk.

It's a bit similar to having Fyvie and McGeouch in the same team IMO. Two quite different players who won't chip in with many goals but both provide a vital function.

I agree, it’s all about the balance in mid-field IMO. MacGennis, Doyle Hayes and Newell works as a three but all are diminished if one of the pieces is missing.

I thought Doyle Hayes was okay yesterday. He never stopped showing for the ball, never stopped running didn’t give the ball away. I felt he was a six surrounded by far too many fours.

[Cat Stanton]

So he’s gone from being our best signing to a write off. Ffs.

Tiresome, isn't it? I keep forgetting to stay away from this place after a defeat given all the nonsense spouted.

[jacomo]

Next time you're going to have a pop, justify it. If not keep your false opinions to yourself.

With respect.


Touché

[J-C]

I’m not going to do that because I’m in no mood for another argument with you.

With respect, you’re a nightmare at times.


:faf:

[Peevemor]

Some people are very easily amused.

[Hibs90]

I think he plays his best football when in the 3 with Magennis and Newell. But does seem off form at the minute.

[Sergio sledge]

Joe Newell has excellent technical ability and positioning. His passing range is very good, he brings the ball up the field and plays a lot of very clever passes. He's also able to get back and intercept the ball.

Doyle Hayes sits deeper, helps dictate the pace of play and offers an option if we need to go back the way. He allows Newell and Magennis to take the ball further forward with less risk.

It's a bit similar to having Fyvie and McGeouch in the same team IMO. Two quite different players who won't chip in with many goals but both provide a vital function.That's what I've been seeing this season as well, although I would say that since Allan has been back in the team I think Newell has been playing a bit deeper and a bit more reluctant to move up the pitch. It may be that Newell has more confidence in Magennis providing cover if he gets caught up the field than Allan.

If you took the last couple of games in isolation I can see why people would think Newell and JDH are too similar, but the season as a whole paints a different picture IMHO.

[FilipinoHibs]

I think we suffered yesterday because of the formation. We played Murphy and Boyle wide and Allan forward behind Kevin. This left Doyle and Newell in midfield and we were over run. You could tell that almost from the kick off. Why we had such poor pocession and created little. A good coach would have brought Allan and Murphy back into midfield and pushed Boyle up with Kevin.

[Brightside]

Replace Allan with Magennis and everything will improve hugely.

[hibeedonald]

Just a really poor performance from him, Covid the only explanation I can think of.

[Perfect Hatrick]

Just a really poor performance from him, Covid the only explanation I can think of.

I actually hardly remember him doing anything.

Just a bad day at the office I’m sure.

[Fergus52]

That's what I've been seeing this season as well, although I would say that since Allan has been back in the team I think Newell has been playing a bit deeper and a bit more reluctant to move up the pitch. It may be that Newell has more confidence in Magennis providing cover if he gets caught up the field than Allan.

If you took the last couple of games in isolation I can see why people would think Newell and JDH are too similar, but the season as a whole paints a different picture IMHO.

This is where I'm at too - while Magennis has been out, Newell and JDH as a deeper pairing hasn't worked for whatever reason apart from 20 minutes or so at ibrox.

But earlier in the season it was very effective with Magennis just in front of them.

[Fergus52]

For the debate on this thread about whether or not JDH and Newell are too similiar, or if Newell plays more advanced or not - I think both points are valid and the answer is somewhere in between.

Over the season, JDH has slightly more passes per game but Newell has way more through balls, crosses and key passes per game.

This would imply to me that Newell is generally playing further forward, but I understand madhatters point as when you watch us play the both of them like to get on the ball deep in front of the centre backs and recycle possession, so it does often seem like they are playing similar roles.

I think a midfield trio of them two and Allan lacks some pace and athleticism which is useful against combative teams like Dundee Utd.

[Fergus52]

He and Newell are too alike. Can't have both in the team. It's like having 2 Mallans playing defensive mid. Can't defend and shield the defence and both slow the game down playing 5 yard passes in slow motion. Both got torn apart by a much more mobile Dundee United midfield.

Fuchs is a good player, mobile and contributes at both ends of the pitch. Exactly what we needed in midfield.

Really don't agree with this, wouldn't suit our style of play at all.

He looks great when Dundee utd are pressing and he's charging about the pitch putting in tackles but with the ball at his feet he's terrible IMO.

Only central midfielders in the league with a worse pass completion rate are Gogic, Jordan Tilson, Charlie Adam and Liam Craig. And the latter two are only there due to Dundee and St Johnstones tactic requiring them to try hopeful holly wood long balls often.

Not sure how he contributes at both ends of the pitch when he doesn't have any goals or assists, rarely shoots and doesn't create any chances.

[blackpoolhibs]

Replace Allan with Magennis and everything will improve hugely.

I think if we played Allan as well as Magennis and had 12 men on Saturday, i think we would have still lost the match.

Why so many players were off the pace of the game is a worry, although to be fair we've not had many days like that for a while.

[madhatter]

Really don't agree with this, wouldn't suit our style of play at all.

He looks great when Dundee utd are pressing and he's charging about the pitch putting in tackles but with the ball at his feet he's terrible IMO.

Only central midfielders in the league with a worse pass completion rate are Gogic, Jordan Tilson, Charlie Adam and Liam Craig. And the latter two are only there due to Dundee and St Johnstones tactic requiring them to try hopeful holly wood long balls often.

Not sure how he contributes at both ends of the pitch when he doesn't have any goals or assists, rarely shoots and doesn't create any chances.

He contributes at both ends of the pitch as Dundee Uniteds pressing creates chances. Doubt the press results in a direct assist but really wish we pressed as much as they did. That's why I said exactly the type of player we need. I'd love a mobile, energetic midfielder who is aggressive and can tackle.

Clearly people disagree with me but our one paced play is down to Hanlon, JDH and Newell. Assured touches and passes but most things done very slowly.

Counter attack team that doesn't move the ball very fast or very accurately, and one that lacks movement is what I've seen in a few matches this season. We're dying to release Boyle and if that doesn't work...

This weekends game is massive. Aberdeen win then pressure on Glass shifts to Ross.

Back onto Fuchs, I think he'd 100% improve our squad.

[matty_f]

Some people are very easily amused.

That’s me, that is.

[Fergus52]

He contributes at both ends of the pitch as Dundee Uniteds pressing creates chances. Doubt the press results in a direct assist but really wish we pressed as much as they did. That's why I said exactly the type of player we need. I'd love a mobile, energetic midfielder who is aggressive and can tackle.

Clearly people disagree with me but our one paced play is down to Hanlon, JDH and Newell. Assured touches and passes but most things done very slowly.

Counter attack team that doesn't move the ball very fast or very accurately, and one that lacks movement is what I've seen in a few matches this season. We're dying to release Boyle and if that doesn't work...

This weekends game is massive. Aberdeen win then pressure on Glass shifts to Ross.

Back onto Fuchs, I think he'd 100% improve our squad.

So would I, but I'd like one in the mold of Alan Campbell or Ali McCann that actually know how to keep the ball and pass a bit when required :greengrin

One of the games at Tannadice last season he lost the ball needlessly about 4 or 5 times in the space of 20 minutes. I remember watching that game thinking how a midfield battle that had Fuchs, Callum Buther and Gogic in it was about the technical level of Conference North/South in England. Other games I've watched him for Dundee Utd against weaker sides where he's seen much more of the ball have been the same.

Fuchs looked good on Saturday but if he played for hibs I'd guarantee we'd all be frustrated at how terrible he is at ball retention and passing, literally one of the worst midfielders in the league at it. That being said I'd maybe have him over Gogic in the squad as he is a bit more mobile and would cover more ground.

[1620]

So would I, but I'd like one in the mold of Alan Campbell or Ali McCann that actually know how to keep the ball and pass a bit when required :greengrin

One of the games at Tannadice last season he lost the ball needlessly about 4 or 5 times in the space of 20 minutes. I remember watching that game thinking how a midfield battle that had Fuchs, Callum Buther and Gogic in it was about the technical level of Conference North/South in England. Other games I've watched him for Dundee Utd against weaker sides where he's seen much more of the ball have been the same.

Fuchs looked good on Saturday but if he played for hibs I'd guarantee we'd all be frustrated at how terrible he is at ball retention and passing, literally one of the worst midfielders in the league at it. That being said I'd maybe have him over Gogic in the squad as he is a bit more mobile and would cover more ground.

I am hopeful that young Tait on loan at Raith is that type of player and will be with us in January. I understand he trains with us a couple of times a week and if he is the right calibre should be available for selection then.

[tamig]

So would I, but I'd like one in the mold of Alan Campbell or Ali McCann that actually know how to keep the ball and pass a bit when required :greengrin

One of the games at Tannadice last season he lost the ball needlessly about 4 or 5 times in the space of 20 minutes. I remember watching that game thinking how a midfield battle that had Fuchs, Callum Buther and Gogic in it was about the technical level of Conference North/South in England. Other games I've watched him for Dundee Utd against weaker sides where he's seen much more of the ball have been the same.

Fuchs looked good on Saturday but if he played for hibs I'd guarantee we'd all be frustrated at how terrible he is at ball retention and passing, literally one of the worst midfielders in the league at it. That being said I'd maybe have him over Gogic in the squad as he is a bit more mobile and would cover more ground.

There are a few things Gogic lacks but I think mobility and covering a lot of ground aren’t among them.

[Fergus52]

There are a few things Gogic lacks but I think mobility and covering a lot of ground aren’t among them.

Really?

He isn't very fast, is slow on the turn, and doesn't really charge about the pitch pressing high when we don't have the ball.

He usually sits right in front of the back 3 or 4 in a deep central position, shielding the defence and getting in a lot of tackles and blocks there.

More of a ball winner in the Bartley mould where they pretty much stay in the same areas of the pitch most of the match - as opposed to Ali McCann, Alan Campbell or Fuchs who often press high imo.

[Jones28]

Disappointing result tonight, but that for was JDH’s best game in a Hibs shirt.

[B.H.F.C]

Disappointing result tonight, but that for was JDH’s best game in a Hibs shirt.

I thought he was good last night and picked up loads of loose balls and pressed them really well.

Thread on Campbell you could post similar. Same if there is a thread on Newell. Individually, all pretty decent performances but I just don’t think there is enough balance as a three.

[Alfred E Newman]

I thought he was good last night and picked up loads of loose balls and pressed them really well.

Thread on Campbell you could post similar. Same if there is a thread on Newell. Individually, all pretty decent performances but I just don’t think there is enough balance as a three.
I thought JDH was very good last night but you are right, for all the good play we didnt creat enough clear chances. Newell is the big disappointment for me. . He also played well last night but for all that he is a good footballer he doesn't have the vision or goal threat that a fit Scott Allan has. The lack of goals from midfield is our big problem at the moment..

[Brightside]

Disappointing result tonight, but that for was JDH’s best game in a Hibs shirt.

I think he’s had loads of good games for us tbh. My player of the season to this point. Great player.

[Smartie]

I think he’s had loads of good games for us tbh. My player of the season to this point. Great player.

He had a great start to the season but looked a bit lost when we had that spell where we looked lost as a team. It may have been the after effects of his covid or just the fact that we were missing too many players and the team just wasn't gelling.

Whatever - he looks back to his best again, and at his best he is a very good player for us indeed.

He's my player of the season so far as well and I'm delighted we managed to tie him down for longer.

[Fergus52]

Disappointing result tonight, but that for was JDH’s best game in a Hibs shirt.

Thought Newell was better myself,

JDH had a fine game but Newell created a couple of chances and made more tackles

[Fergus52]

I thought JDH was very good last night but you are right, for all the good play we didnt creat enough clear chances. Newell is the big disappointment for me. . He also played well last night but for all that he is a good footballer he doesn't have the vision or goal threat that a fit Scott Allan has. The lack of goals from midfield is our big problem at the moment..

Allan plays for us as an attacking 10 right behind the striker(s) where he's expected to score goals and get assists, Newell's role for us has mainly been as a deep playmaker sitting right in front of the defence and recycling the ball through to the more offensive players, like Allan, ahead of him.

Not a fair comparison imo.

[B.H.F.C]

Allan plays for us as an attacking 10 right behind the striker(s) where he's expected to score goals and get assists, Newell's role for us has mainly been as a deep playmaker sitting right in front of the defence and recycling the ball through to the more offensive players, like Allan, ahead of him.

Not a fair comparison imo.

I agree there’s not a like for like comparison but if you’re going to play without Allan (or a player like that) you need other players to step up and contribute something. Newell was unlucky with the one he put across goal but he needs to be braver going forward when he has the chance IMO. There was a decent bit of play down the left in the second half and it opened right up for him to have a go but he tried to cross it and it came to nothing. If you don’t shoot you’re not going to score and we don’t do it enough with that midfield.