Scott Allan

[Libby Hibby]

What was up with him today? Really bad performance, didn’t look fit or interested

[Allant1981]

Certainly didnt look like he was fit today, going off at half time was definitely the right decision

[Coco Bryce]

I think we will just need to accept its probably over for him at this level now. Such a shame for the lad. So much ability.

[Centre Hawf]

Had a poor game. Like the 10 men around him at the time and the ones that came on after him.

[JohnM1875]

Had a poor game. Like the 10 men around him at the time and the ones that came on after him.

Yup, I kinda get the sub seeing as we were trailing one nil. But I think I'd always prefer Allan on the pitch over Scott. Poor game or not Allan can still provide something. Scott just doesn't look good enough unfortunately.

[Centre Hawf]

Yup, I kinda get the sub seeing as we were trailing one nil. But I think I'd always prefer Allan on the pitch over Scott. Poor game or not Allan can still provide something. Scott just doesn't look good enough unfortunately.

The irony of it was when they went 2-0 up we all of a sudden found ourselves with more space in some areas of the pitch, probably as they stepped back a bit to defend their lead or we somehow got the finger out (too late). And I think Allan would have had more success in those areas for us than Scott did in whatever areas he was told to play in.

That being said I agree I don't think Allan can have any complaints with coming off at half time.

[cameronw-hfc]

I think we will just need to accept its probably over for him at this level now. Such a shame for the lad. So much ability.

Bit much considering how he's played the few weeks before this. Scott has his ups and his downs, every poor game doesn't mean he's shot at this level. Are the other 10 done at this level?

[davhibby]

Yup, I kinda get the sub seeing as we were trailing one nil. But I think I'd always prefer Allan on the pitch over Scott. Poor game or not Allan can still provide something. Scott just doesn't look good enough unfortunately.

Allan wasn’t trying. The only time he broke in to anything more than a light jog he knee’d Mulgrew in the back and gave away a stupid freekick. We only really had 1 sub worth using so something had to be done and Allan was the obvious candidate. If we’d had more options I think we might have seen a couple of changes at half time.

If he had a knock or something then fair enough but if that was the case then he shouldn’t have started.

Today was a great chance for him to show he deserves to stay in the team with Magennis out and he put in probably the worst 45 minutes I’ve seen from him in a Hibs shirt.

[bod]

I thought he was played too far forward to have any impact

[Hiber-nation]

I thought he was played too far forward to have any impact

Definitely. That position is no good to him. He needs to be picking it up deeper. Having said that he was one of about half a dozen who were absolutely dreadful and couldn't have had any complaints.

[JohnM1875]

Allan wasn’t trying. The only time he broke in to anything more than a light jog he knee’d Mulgrew in the back and gave away a stupid freekick. We only really had 1 sub worth using so something had to be done and Allan was the obvious candidate. If we’d had more options I think we might have seen a couple of changes at half time.

If he had a knock or something then fair enough but if that was the case then he shouldn’t have started.

Today was a great chance for him to show he deserves to stay in the team with Magennis out and he put in probably the worst 45 minutes I’ve seen from him in a Hibs shirt.

Think he showed in the previous games he deserves to be considered though, surely? Assist for McGinn, assist for Newell and a goal against Dundee Utd.

He wasn't great today, in fact he was really poor. But to say he's not good enough any more is just mental. Doyle-Hayes was just as bad today but no one will say he isn't good enough.

[jeffers]

I thought he was played too far forward to have any impact

Absolutely. He wasn’t great today but I have no idea why Ross persists in playing him so advanced.

[LeithMike]

I thought he was played too far forward to have any impactAgree. Same as when he came on at Livingston. That said, he had a honker. Touch just wasn't right today.

I've not seen a more disjointed midfield than ours.

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[Pretty Boy]

He was poor but I'm not sure what was expected of him and Nisbet in that set up.

We had 2 midfielders trying to play the same role, sitting right on top of our defence and getting in a right mess against United's high press. We then had a 40 yard gap to Allan and another 10 yards to Nisbet.

They weren't the only ones to struggle with the set up. Wood and Cadden didn't click on the right and Murphy habitually ignored Doig for 90+ minutes.

Allan was one of 12 players who were varying levels of pish today.

[The Spaceman]

Scott Allan on form wins us games. Off form he is a man missing. If he produced his on-form games consistently he’d be a loooooong way away from Hibs. Happy to write this game off and move on tbh.

[davhibby]

Think he showed in the previous games he deserves to be considered though, surely? Assist for McGinn, assist for Newell and a goal against Dundee Utd.

He wasn't great today, in fact he was really poor. But to say he's not good enough any more is just mental. Doyle-Hayes was just as bad today but no one will say he isn't good enough.

It’s the lack of effort that’s annoyed me today. I wasn’t sure if he’d be able to work his way back in to the side and as you say, he’s done that on merit over the last month with some good performances. If he’d just been poor today like the rest of the team fair enough but he didn’t look like he wanted to be there today.

[Alfred E Newman]

Allan and Nisbet spent most of the first half arguing with each other. Nisbet looked frustrated at the lack of support he had up front and Allan didn’t look happy at being asked to play on his own behind him. It looked like they both threw the towel in as well which isn’t acceptable either.

[The Harp Awakes]

He was poor but I'm not sure what was expected of him and Nisbet in that set up.

We had 2 midfielders trying to play the same role, sitting right on top of our defence and getting in a right mess against United's high press. We then had a 40 yard gap to Allan and another 10 yards to Nisbet.

They weren't the only ones to struggle with the set up. Wood and Cadden didn't click on the right and Murphy habitually ignored Doig for 90+ minutes.

Allan was one of 12 players who were varying levels of pish today.

Good summary. The issue for me is why can't the coaching staff see that Nisbet was getting completely isolated during a game and make a change in formation before the game is lost?

[Smartie]

Absolutely. He wasn’t great today but I have no idea why Ross persists in playing him so advanced.

It’s to try to paper over the fact that Nisbet is absolutely abysmal at playing up front on his own.

Getting players close to him makes it less obvious but on this occasion all we managed to do was to get Allan into a position where it was very difficult to get the ball to him as well.

I actually thought that Newell and JDH were at least as bad as Allan. JDH had his worst game for us by some distance today.

[green leaves]

He's always has games where he's been rank

[Benny Brazil]

Good summary. The issue for me is why can't the coaching staff see that Nisbet was getting completely isolated during a game and make a change in formation before the game is lost?

For me Nisbet needs Doidge up front with him - Doidge can do the hard yards and batter the centre halves and Nisbet feeds off that - in saying that he really needs to up his workrate - he looked like he couldn't be bothered today

[AgentDaleCooper]

Certainly didnt look like he was fit today, going off at half time was definitely the right decision

It seemed like the right decision, in so far as that he was crap, but i don't think his replacement was any better.

[JohnM1875]

For me Nisbet needs Doidge up front with him - Doidge can do the hard yards and batter the centre halves and Nisbet feeds off that - in saying that he really needs to up his workrate - he looked like he couldn't be bothered today

Definitely. Nisbet will only ever work in a two where he can get in behind the defence or pull away from Doidge to create space. He doesn't have the skill, intelligence or grit to play up on his own.

Really shows how important Doidge is to the team. New contact for the big man is needed ASAP

[The Harp Awakes]

For me Nisbet needs Doidge up front with him - Doidge can do the hard yards and batter the centre halves and Nisbet feeds off that - in saying that he really needs to up his workrate - he looked like he couldn't be bothered today

I agree. If Nisbet wants to improve and push himself into the Scotland 11 he needs to develop his game as 4-5-1 is a common set up these days.

[Pretty Boy]

Am I imagining it or did Nisbet not start up top on his own for the 1st 2 or 3 games and look a lot better than he does now?

He definitely started alone V Motherwell away and Rijeka at home.

[Smartie]

Am I imagining it or did Nisbet not start up top on his own for the 1st 2 or 3 games and look a lot better than he does now?

He definitely started alone V Motherwell away and Rijeka at home.

I thought he did well at Motherwell but was poor against Rijeka.

Tbh I think I’m yet to see a good performance from him in the flesh (a few on tv last season).

I’m struggling to take to him tbh. Looks hopelessly over-rated and I’d be inclined to punt him as soon as a decent bid comes in. Doidge is a far better fit for what seems to be Jack Ross’ favoured formation and our strikers should probably have a skill set more like his than Nisbet’s.

[Blaster]

Absolutely. He wasn’t great today but I have no idea why Ross persists in playing him so advanced.

10-15 yards too high to be effective

But also thought his body language was poor today

[Danderhall Hibs]

Am I imagining it or did Nisbet not start up top on his own for the 1st 2 or 3 games and look a lot better than he does now?

He definitely started alone V Motherwell away and Rijeka at home.

Agreed - I thought he looked good at the start of the season in that formation. Biggest difference to that side is Allan in for Magennis.

[cameronw-hfc]

Agreed - I thought he looked good at the start of the season in that formation. Biggest difference to that side is Allan in for Magennis.

Nisbet fell away form-wise before the Allan switch. A few weeks ago, as far as I'm aware he's not been fully fit at all this season, and can't get fully fit as we need him playing + he's getting called up for Scotland and I think it shows.

I also think there is too many "attitude not right" "doesn't care" comments. Of course he cares, I can't make it to games but you can see on his face when he's making a mistake. Think his attitude is fine, his confidence may be absolutely shot though, and looks it.

In terms of Allan, I think he was just gash today. As he often is, but he's also often very very good, something a team like us need to deal with. If he was consistent he wouldn't have sat on Celtics reserves for a few year or been mapped out of WBA. Not a slight on Allan, but too much hysteria here. He's been class the last few weeks, today he wasn't, he's like that, nothing less nothing more imo.

[tmb1875]

I think people saying Allan is finished is a bit of a lazy tag line he’s our most productive player in terms of assists and goals per mins. Put him in the right position make him feel wanted and give him the ball.

In comparison I’ve put down our midfield and forwards goals and assists per minute. Players played 10 or more games:

Allan scored or assist every 78mins
Boyle 130mins
Magennis 177mins
Nisbet 180mins
Murphy 300mins
Newell 333mins
Jdh no goals or assists in 1250mins

Scott Allan should absolutely be 1 of the 1st names on the team sheet week in week out getting the ball in the middle of the park and doing his thing.

*Stats from transfer market apologies for any inaccuracies*


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[Hibbyradge]

I think people saying Allan is finished is a bit of a lazy tag line he’s our most productive player in terms of assists and goals per mins. Put him in the right position make him feel wanted and give him the ball.

In comparison I’ve put down our midfield and forwards goals and assists per minute. Players played 10 or more games:

Allan scored or assist every 78mins
Boyle 130mins
Magennis 177mins
Nisbet 180mins
Murphy 300mins
Newell 333mins
Jdh no goals or assists in 1250mins

Scott Allan should absolutely be 1 of the 1st names on the team sheet week in week out getting the ball in the middle of the park and doing his thing.

*Stats from transfer market apologies for any inaccuracies*


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Make him feel wanted? Really?

What do footballers need to play well these days? Cuddles?

[lord bunberry]

I think people saying Allan is finished is a bit of a lazy tag line he’s our most productive player in terms of assists and goals per mins. Put him in the right position make him feel wanted and give him the ball.

In comparison I’ve put down our midfield and forwards goals and assists per minute. Players played 10 or more games:

Allan scored or assist every 78mins
Boyle 130mins
Magennis 177mins
Nisbet 180mins
Murphy 300mins
Newell 333mins
Jdh no goals or assists in 1250mins

Scott Allan should absolutely be 1 of the 1st names on the team sheet week in week out getting the ball in the middle of the park and doing his thing.

*Stats from transfer market apologies for any inaccuracies*


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That’s a great stat , I wonder how the people who keep saying he’s finished at this level work that one out. Scott Allan is class and always will be.

[lord bunberry]

Make him feel wanted? Really?

What do footballers need to play well these days? Cuddles?
Sometimes they do. Personally I couldn’t care less what motivates the team, I’ll just go with it.

[cameronw-hfc]

Make him feel wanted? Really?

What do footballers need to play well these days? Cuddles?

They're not robots. We've all had a tough last year or two, but Scotty nearly lost his career due to a heart condition, which is scary in day to day life never mind a career as a sportsman. Since he's returned he's struggled, been offered to another club, and only just broken back into the team. I think it's safe to say if Allan needs an arm around him and some encouragement currently then he by all means deserves whatever he needs.

He's a magnificent player, but if his confidence is down, and after the spell he's just had it might be, then it's not exactly surprising is it?

[3pm]

Am I imagining it or did Nisbet not start up top on his own for the 1st 2 or 3 games and look a lot better than he does now?

He definitely started alone V Motherwell away and Rijeka at home.

He missed the Ross County game in August but he’s been the man up top.

Prior to Jamie Murphy getting injured back in August v Livi, I thought Murphy and Boyle played closer to him but I can’t prove that obviously. :greengrin Since then (the September international break) I think the system has been tweaked and the opposition has generally been of a higher standard and he has suffered.

A couple of other factors that I think are worth mentioning. Doyle-Hayes hasn’t been as effective as has before he was isolating (did he have Covid?) which seems to have impacted our ability to control a midfield (again, maybe to do with the opposition) and Cadden seems to almost be shoehorned into the team and I am not sure it’s great for the balance of the side. He was great at Tynecastle as a WB but I think he has only played that role at Ibrox since (stand to be corrected on that). As an example, he has played as the right winger in the 3 v St Mirren to the detriment of Boyle and of course Nisbet. Yesterday, he didn’t strike me as being a great full back.

Magennis missing doesn’t help. I am not sure he is as energetic as is suggested but he is a good footballer with a good touch and has more mobility than Allen as an example so can get a bit closer to KN.

I like Nisbet, he’s a very good player but we’re not helping him enough IMO. I also get why some people don’t take to him though.

Anyway, that’s my (hungover) Sunday morning musings.

[tmb1875]

Make him feel wanted? Really?

What do footballers need to play well these days? Cuddles?

I was more referring to him being Hooked in the middle of games/halftime and trying to force him out the club. Not just footballers anyone really you make them feel good in their job and they perform better for you.


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[Allant1981]

I was more referring to him being Hooked in the middle of games/halftime and trying to force him out the club. Not just footballers anyone really you make them feel good in their job and they perform better for you.


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So players shouldnt be dropped or subbed if they arent playing well?

[tmb1875]

Not at all allan was poor yesterday as was most of the team but he comes off at half time while others stay on, not another change made throughout the game. Manager never takes certain players off like newell no matter how they play.


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[Allant1981]

Not at all allan was poor yesterday as was most of the team but he comes off at half time while others stay on, not another change made throughout the game. Manager never takes certain players off like newell no matter how they play.


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If he had taken newell off yesterday who could have came on? There was no one on the bench that can link the play, it was easier to replace allan who possibly had one of his worst games in a very long time, just so happened scott was even worse than SA

[tmb1875]

Gogic could have come on for him to try wrestle back control in the middle, or gullan could have been given a chance up top with nisbet . There was zero linking the play yesterday as with any team that presses us midfield crumble and we go long to nobody.


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[Allant1981]

Gogic could have come on for him to try wrestle back control in the middle, or gullan could have been given a chance up top with nisbet . There was zero linking the play yesterday as with any team that presses us midfield crumble and we go long to nobody.


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So take off a midfielder and bring on a striker when we were terrible in midfield already, i said on another thread id have brought gogic on but wouldnt have been for newell

[Shrekko]

We’re starting to get a whole load of nonsense about Scott Allan being played in the wrong position which is reminiscent of the stuff we got from Kamberi fans when he wasn’t performing.

Scott Allan got his place back in the team playing in the position he was playing in yesterday - i.e he is perfectly capable of playing there and doing well. He may prefer playing deeper but we just can’t accommodate his major defensive flaws back there - we’re not playing on the Championship any more.

He remains a good player who sometimes plays very well and sometimes is anonymous. He had a poor game yesterday unfortunately.

[jacomo]

Not at all allan was poor yesterday as was most of the team but he comes off at half time while others stay on, not another change made throughout the game. Manager never takes certain players off like newell no matter how they play.


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Yes, bizarre that we didn’t make another change.

Newell didn’t have a good game either.

[Perfect Hatrick]

I think people saying Allan is finished is a bit of a lazy tag line he’s our most productive player in terms of assists and goals per mins. Put him in the right position make him feel wanted and give him the ball.

In comparison I’ve put down our midfield and forwards goals and assists per minute. Players played 10 or more games:

Allan scored or assist every 78mins
Boyle 130mins
Magennis 177mins
Nisbet 180mins
Murphy 300mins
Newell 333mins
Jdh no goals or assists in 1250mins

Scott Allan should absolutely be 1 of the 1st names on the team sheet week in week out getting the ball in the middle of the park and doing his thing.

*Stats from transfer market apologies for any inaccuracies*


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That’s a really interesting set of statistics :agree:

They can be twisted to really suit Allan but it’s hard to argue that he’s finished at this level when that’s his numbers.

[tmb1875]

Was just looking at goals and assists, clearly jdh will have more interceptions and newell will probs have good completed passes stats but shows we need Allan Boyle nisbet and magennis in the team if you want to score goals.


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