Nathan Wood and James Scott

[Heisenberg]

Horrendous summer recruitment on that evidence. Neither adding anything to that squad.

[Coco Bryce]

That's why Mathie got emptied

[Sean1875]

Willing to forgive Wood to a certain extent as it’s the first time he’s played and we’ve got to see him but not seen a single piece of evidence to say Scott is anywhere near our level. Baffling looking at his record why we thought he would be sufficient striker cover when we had all summer to recruit.


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[Pretty Boy]

If nothing else it night prove to a few just how good a player Doidge is. We get a player than can play that role well about once a decade.

Daz in for Wood next week please.

[Heisenberg]

Chris Cadden is never a right back either, thought he looked lost at times.

[Weegreenman]

Who??? lol non entities the pair of them!

[madhatter]

We recruit players if they are nice people. We don't have a fixed way of playing and have lack of legs and energy in midfield. Recipe for success...

Boyle and Murphy only ones close to pass marks but still failed.

We have built an awful team. Maybe good players here and there but we have no Hibs style of play.

Dundee United? High press and high work rate.

[bingo70]

If nothing else it night prove to a few just how good a player Doidge is. We get a player than can play that role well about once a decade.

Daz in for Wood next week please.

Same applies to Porteous.

Think today should how good a job Porteous does.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Gullan must be really pish in training if he can't get on before Scott! And what the hell is Scott showing in training?

[Since452]

That's why Mathie got emptied

Correct

[lord bunberry]

I didn’t notice Scott was playing until 65 minutes, I knew Allan had went off but I didn’t pay attention to who came on. The guy has literally not kicked a ball since arriving. If he’s not contributing by January I’d send him back. Wood was making his debut in a tough game where the whole team were brutal so I’d be prepared to forgive him.

[CMac1988]

Wood was sent in the hope he could bridge the gap and find more 1st team football. In that showing he has some way to go. It's difficult to justify finding him more game time as were not developing our own player and frankly he isn't good enough to get in ahead of any of them... McGregor should be given the nod next week.

Couldn't even mind Scott's first name that how irrelevant he's been. Nowhere near good enough.

[Winston Ingram]

Nisbet was far worse than Scott

[hhibs]

I didn’t notice Scott was playing until 65 minutes, I knew Allan had went off but I didn’t pay attention to who came on. The guy has literally not kicked a ball since arriving. If he’s not contributing by January I’d send him back. Wood was making his debut in a tough game where the whole team were brutal so I’d be prepared to forgive him.


He is just poor,Hammer must have spat in JR's tea.........to be behind him.

[lord bunberry]

Nisbet was far worse than Scott

Maybe, but Nisbet has got enough performances in the bank to justify his place in the team. Young Gullan is twice the player Scott is and can’t get a look in.

[B.H.F.C]

Two young boys son it really aimed at them but they’ve added nothing to the squad. We were in a position to kick on this summer and our bad business has ****ed us.

[berwickhibee]

Cheap options, not first team players.

[weecounty hibby]

Is it OK to add Scott Allan into the mix or will I get shouted down? Not worth a jersey any more and why we tried to get rid. Slow, never in the game, slowed everything down, twice when we were breaking he passed the ball behind the player overlapping and made him stop or slow down and the attack stalled. Thanks for the memories Scotty but not good enough anymore. Agree about Scott and Wood though. Nisbet was shocking as well but he is still in credit at the moment. Newall not up to much either today. All round ***** performance.

[Since452]

Wasn't at the game but sounds like Nathan Wood isn't a patch on Porteous

[madhatter]

Is it OK to add Scott Allan into the mix or will I get shouted down? Not worth a jersey any more and why we tried to get rid. Slow, never in the game, slowed everything down, twice when we were breaking he passed the ball behind the player overlapping and made him stop or slow down and the attack stalled. Thanks for the memories Scotty but not good enough anymore. Agree about Scott and Wood though. Nisbet was shocking as well but he is still in credit at the moment. Newall not up to much either today. All round ***** performance.

Scott Allan will either need to move into coaching or drop down a level.

[Perfect Hatrick]

Is it OK to add Scott Allan into the mix or will I get shouted down? Not worth a jersey any more and why we tried to get rid. Slow, never in the game, slowed everything down, twice when we were breaking he passed the ball behind the player overlapping and made him stop or slow down and the attack stalled. Thanks for the memories Scotty but not good enough anymore. Agree about Scott and Wood though. Nisbet was shocking as well but he is still in credit at the moment. Newall not up to much either today. All round ***** performance.

Allan was every bit as bad today I’d agree but he’s been pretty good recently. That’s the difference when it comes to guys like Scott and Allan.

[Chorley Hibee]

Is it OK to add Scott Allan into the mix or will I get shouted down? Not worth a jersey any more and why we tried to get rid. Slow, never in the game, slowed everything down, twice when we were breaking he passed the ball behind the player overlapping and made him stop or slow down and the attack stalled. Thanks for the memories Scotty but not good enough anymore. Agree about Scott and Wood though. Nisbet was shocking as well but he is still in credit at the moment. Newall not up to much either today. All round ***** performance.

Allan is finished at this level, too many people letting sentiment cloud their judgement.

[Unseen work]

Bit of a funny one as I’ve always quite liked Gullan. He’s pacey, has a goal threat and is pretty direct.

Pretty much exactly what we need.

Mackay is the same, started pre season flying by all accounts but has rarely featured of late, appreciate he had an injury for a couple of games.

How bad was Wood? Genuine question as I only saw bits of the game. Can he maybe be cut a bit of slack playing on the right when he’s left footed and having Cadden at right back?

Was Allan really poor that he got hooked at half time? Was it a formation change and going with 2 up too?



Scott for me looked brilliant at Motherwell but he has showed nothing like that form, he looks like he struggles to control a ball and that he’s overweight.

[overdrive]

Cheap options, not first team players.

I’m not sure Scott will have been that cheap.

[lord bunberry]

Allan is finished at this level, too many people letting sentiment cloud their judgement.
Scott Allan was man of the match the last time we played Utd. Deary me how can you say he’s finished at this level. :rolleyes:

[The Captain....]

Both look well short of the standard required.

I'd cancel Scott's loan..he is pointless imo..a body just taking up a squad place.

Wood lived up to his name on fist showing. Was not.impressed at all.

All in all a thoroughly dispiriting day that showed up how poor the squad depth is.

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[Chorley Hibee]

Scott Allan as man of the match the last time we played Utd. Deary me how can you say he’s finished at this level. :rolleyes:

He's been a passenger more often than not. We can't keep carrying him for 90 minutes hoping for a killer pass once in a blue moon.

[Smartie]

Same applies to Porteous.

Think today should how good a job Porteous does.

I was thinking that we badly missed all the players we were missing, and I’ll be appreciating them all a bit more - add McGinn and Magennis in there with Porteous and Doidge.

These are 4 big players for us.

[weecounty hibby]

Scott Allan was man of the match the last time we played Utd. Deary me how can you say he’s finished at this level. :rolleyes:

Because in most other games he has showed nothing. Sorry but his days of running the games for Hibs each week are gone.

[lord bunberry]

He's been a passenger more often than not. We can't keep carrying him for 90 minutes hoping for a killer pass once in a blue moon.
Luckily we don’t have to as he’s very rarely a passenger. He’s been excellent this season when he’s had a chance. You’ve obviously got something against the guy to have such an extreme opinion. You’ve said he’s finished at this level when clearly he’s not, the fact that he’s been good in his last few games proves that, you also say he’s a passenger more often than not which is also nonsense.

[jacomo]

I didn’t notice Scott was playing until 65 minutes, I knew Allan had went off but I didn’t pay attention to who came on. The guy has literally not kicked a ball since arriving. If he’s not contributing by January I’d send him back. Wood was making his debut in a tough game where the whole team were brutal so I’d be prepared to forgive him.


Why did Wood constantly hit long balls to no one though?

First game or not, it was infuriating.

On the evidence so far, James Scott is garbage.

[J-C]

They seem 2 last minute signings because whoever we were after didn't happen, there's a reason they are up for loan, Scott is not good enough and I've yet to see Wood but going by today's comments, he's also bang average.

[lord bunberry]

Because in most other games he has showed nothing. Sorry but his days of running the games for Hibs each week are gone.
Did he show nothing in the games against Utd, St Mirren and St Johnstone? Can you point me to the games this season that he’s started and shown nothing?

[weecounty hibby]

Luckily we don’t have to as he’s very rarely a passenger. He’s been excellent this season when he’s had a chance. You’ve obviously got something against the guy to have such an extreme opinion. You’ve said he’s finished at this level when clearly he’s not, the fact that he’s been good in his last few games proves that, you also say he’s a passenger more often than not which is also nonsense.
Why does someone who doesn't thing Scotty is good enough anymore have to have something against him. That us just utter *****. He is one of the better players I have seen at ER but not anymore

[madhatter]

Why did Wood constantly hit long balls to no one though?

First game or not, it was infuriating.

Simple answer. No midfield and very little, if any, movement in front of him.

Dundee United pressed with more intensity than our players ran into space.

We're lucky it was only 3-0. We were there for the taking.

[Chorley Hibee]

Luckily we don’t have to as he’s very rarely a passenger. He’s been excellent this season when he’s had a chance. You’ve obviously got something against the guy to have such an extreme opinion. You’ve said he’s finished at this level when clearly he’s not, the fact that he’s been good in his last few games proves that, you also say he’s a passenger more often than not which is also nonsense.

I've nothing against Allan, he's contributed a huge amount to Hibs over the years, but his time has passed and I'm not alone in that view.

[lord bunberry]

I've nothing against Allan, he's contributed a huge amount to Hibs over the years, his time has passed and I'm not alone in that view.
Why has his time passed though when he’s been so good recently?

[weecounty hibby]

Did he show nothing in the games against Utd, St Mirren and St Johnstone? Can you point me to the games this season that he’s started and shown nothing?

Today for one, utter rubbish, slow, never in the game. That's the one that's freshest in my mind. St Johnstone game 3 weeks ago? Having a laugh if you think he was good that day. Average at best. Utd away, played well but do we need to just say OK one game and take the rest of the season off? He is not above criticism.

[J-C]

I've nothing against Allan, he's contributed a huge amount to Hibs over the years, but his time has passed and I'm not alone in that view.

A midfield 3 like today was always going to struggle a bit, you miss the energy of Magennis.

[lord bunberry]

Today for one, utter rubbish, slow, never in the game. That's the one that's freshest in my mind. St Johnstone game 3 weeks ago? Having a laugh if you think he was good that day. Average at best. Utd away, played well but do we need to just say OK one game and take the rest of the season off? He is not above criticism.
No one is above criticism, but to say a guy that’s been performing well recently is finished at this level is ridiculous. He’s come back from serious illness and has started to show he’s still got it. He should be getting another contract.

[Chorley Hibee]

Why has his time passed though when he’s been so good recently?

I think "so good" is an exaggeration to be honest.

[Smartie]

Bit of a funny one as I’ve always quite liked Gullan. He’s pacey, has a goal threat and is pretty direct.

Pretty much exactly what we need.

Mackay is the same, started pre season flying by all accounts but has rarely featured of late, appreciate he had an injury for a couple of games.

How bad was Wood? Genuine question as I only saw bits of the game. Can he maybe be cut a bit of slack playing on the right when he’s left footed and having Cadden at right back?

Was Allan really poor that he got hooked at half time? Was it a formation change and going with 2 up too?



Scott for me looked brilliant at Motherwell but he has showed nothing like that form, he looks like he struggles to control a ball and that he’s overweight.

I felt a bit sorry for him, it was a horrible game to make a debut in, given the shambles going on around him.

He wasn’t brilliant but he wasn’t hopeless either.

It was the performance of an inexperienced CH - a bit jittery, the odd mistake but most of it ok.

He didn’t look to win too much in the air for a big lad. I guess the main thing that links the two players in the OP is that they look dreadful in the air for their size.

[lord bunberry]

I think "so good" is an exaggeration to be honest.
He’s been starting every week so the manager obviously thinks he’s playing well.

[Chorley Hibee]

No one is above criticism, but to say a guy that’s been performing well recently is finished at this level is ridiculous. He’s come back from serious illness and has started to show he’s still got it. He should be getting another contract.

Another contract?

I'm sorry, but this is part of the problem with our club.

Far too much sentimentality involved instead of the ruthlessness required to succeed.

[madhatter]

He’s been starting every week so the manager obviously thinks he’s playing well.

Well enough to sub him at half time...

He's finished at the top level.

[weecounty hibby]

No one is above criticism, but to say a guy that’s been performing well recently is finished at this level is ridiculous. He’s come back from serious illness and has started to show he’s still got it. He should be getting another contract.

I will be stunned if he gets another contract and I think that it's probably for the best if he doesnt. He has come back from illness but that doesn't change the fact that he is now just very slow in the middle of the park. I think we'll just need to disagree that he has shown that he has still got it.

[Iain G]

Wasn't at the game but sounds like Nathan Wood isn't a patch on Porteous

Well he didn't get sent off for a wild lunge so that's an improvement 🤣

Seriously though, maybe we should have played 3 at the back with McGregor and Hanlon there to help Wood through his first game?

Cadden had a worse game than Wood

[Eaststand]

Why did Wood constantly hit long balls to no one though?

First game or not, it was infuriating.

On the evidence so far, James Scott is garbage.

Spot on, and thanks for saving me a lot of typing.

GGTTH

[B.H.F.C]

He's been a passenger more often than not. We can't keep carrying him for 90 minutes hoping for a killer pass once in a blue moon.

When else has Allan been a passenger this year?

[MWHIBBIES]

I think the England u20s thing is a bit of a trap. Englands best young players usual go from 19s to 21s. Only 2 players in the last England squad played more than 5 matches for the u20s, tomori and ward prowse. Majority have a dozen for 19s and 21s.

[jeffers]

When else has Allan been a passenger this year?

Wasting your time, some folk have made up their mind he’s no longer got it so seize on today to reinforce that viewpoint and ignore previous games where he has played well, scored and set up goals. Though I don’t understand why he is being asked to play so advanced nor be the one left up when we are defending corners.

At least I’ve seen Scott Allan set up goals and score this season. Has Murphy, who flatters to deceive but his end product isn’t amounting to much ?

[keep the faith]

He's been a passenger more often than not. We can't keep carrying him for 90 minutes hoping for a killer pass once in a blue moon.

Knee jerk jamboesque post of the day right there.

One poor game after being very good everytime he got the nod. Our problem is certainly not Scott Allan.

[Perfect Hatrick]

I think the England u20s thing is a bit of a trap. Englands best young players usual go from 19s to 21s. Only 2 players in the last England squad played more than 5 matches for the u20s, tomori and ward prowse. Majority have a dozen for 19s and 21s.

:agree:

The u20s is basically the age group for the guys who will never play for the 21s.

Not to say they’re bad players, but it’s pretty much why that team exists.

[BoomtownHibees]

Allan was poor today but a passenger too many times this year? Load o pish

[Danderhall Hibs]

Sounds like a few folk are saying we shouldn’t judge players on the back of 1 match? Or is it only Scott Allan that we don’t judge?

[Centre Hawf]

Allan was poor today but he’s been decent the last few games hes been given the nod. If he continues to play 4 good games to 1 poor one for the rest of the season I’ll take that from him.

Not sure what evidence there is to suggest he’s finished at this level beyond his health condition. Because his overall performances haven’t shown me that. If we’re going off today then Nisbet and Doig are finished at this level as well.

To get back on topic of the thread Scott for me is an anonymous jersey when he plays. I didn’t think Wood had that bad a game beyond his long passing being atrocious but I’d like to see the goals back to see what his roles in them were.

[Chorley Hibee]

Knee jerk jamboesque post of the day right there.

One poor game after being very good everytime he got the nod. Our problem is certainly not Scott Allan.

Here we go again, say something that someone doesn't agree with and you're a Jambo.

I go home and away every week mate, and I've seen enough to pass judgement on Scott Allan, Jack Ross, and the continual failure to address issues that have continually reared their head over the past 2 years regards sentiment and recruitment.

It's groundhog day and we've learnt nothing it seems.

[jacomo]

I felt a bit sorry for him, it was a horrible game to make a debut in, given the shambles going on around him.

He wasn’t brilliant but he wasn’t hopeless either.

It was the performance of an inexperienced CH - a bit jittery, the odd mistake but most of it ok.

He didn’t look to win too much in the air for a big lad. I guess the main thing that links the two players in the OP is that they look dreadful in the air for their size.


Personally thought he was very poor.

[Unseen work]

I can see why wood would hit long balls today.

Debut, nervous and almost gifted them a goal playing out in the first 10.

Probably thought he was taking no chances

[Alfred E Newman]

Nisbet was far worse than Scott

Nisbet had no chance in that set up today. Playing a lone striker at home against Dundee Utd is not good enough. I know we have been unlucky with injuries but today shows how poor a squad we have.
The fact we only made one change in the game also underlines the fact that we just don’t have cover in key positions once again. We were lucky with injuries last season but our poor recruitment is going to cost us now.

[wookie70]

Because in most other games he has showed nothing. Sorry but his days of running the games for Hibs each week are gone.

His days of running are over if today is anything to go by. It took something to stand out in that first half as most were poor but Scottie was a statue for the most part and when he did get involved his passing was terrible. James Scott came on and while nothing worked for him he at least moved around the park and looked to make things happen, they didn't for him.

Wood looked like what he is. A young player with very little first team experience playing in a league that is much quicker than he is used to. He was very poor and Hanlon wasn't much better.

Boyle worked hard but as ever just got hacked down every time he went on a run. Doyle Hayes has been poor since his illness and Newell was poor too today. I thought Murphy did ok going forward and Doig did pretty well. Nisbet hardly gets a touch and the movement around him is non existent. He will be looking for a move soon as again he showed his quality with the swivel and hit that struck the post.

I feel a bit for Ross. The squad is paper thin and we have lots of players out of form or playing hurt due to a long list of injuries to players. Daz should have started today especially as McGinn being out. Murphy and Allan in the same team is a recipe for disaster and combined with Doyle Hayes out of form we simply didn't compete. There wasn't much on the bench that looked much better though although I would start Drey Wright or Gogic in front of Allan if Murphy is playing too. The way he played today I'd probably play them both in front of Allan even if Murphy isn't playing.

Hammer must be tearing his hair out as he should be getting some minutes. It was like Ross gave up as at 2-0 it was hugely unlikely we would get back in and it was a good opportunity to give some fringe players a few minutes. It wasn't as if the players on the park would have been missed today.

A very hard defeat to take as I don't think Utd played that well. They had the freedom on Easter Road on the ball and I doubt they will have it much easier in any fixture this play this year. It was another game where we just didn't show up and given the other fixtures it was another big game.

The small squad gamble is backfiring and we may burn out the players we have by the time the others return.

On to next week and we play an Aberdeen team in even worse form than us. Must take 3 points away to them and Ross County as they are both honking at the moment.

[Nicho87]

Would rather gullan and a youth player was tried before these pair

[LaMotta]

Wood looked way out his depth today.

Scott looked slow and had the touch of a donkey.

Cadden has very little quality other than a good engine on him.

[Mikey_1875]

Even with the mitigating factors I really didn’t like what I saw from Wood today. Looked casual at times and played almost at training game intensity. One thing I noticed when he sprayed one of his many diagonals out the park he threw his hands up in the air at Murphy when he had no chance of catching it. I think he was caught completely cold by the intensity of the game up here and is clearly used to a lot more time on the ball. Dragged from pillar to post by their forwards as well.

Probably seems over the top criticism but throwing the hands up in the air at Murphy after his own poor pass wound me up at the time. Hopefully today was a reality check for him and we will see why he is so highly rated in the future. It wouldn’t have helped forming a new partnership with Cadden on the right side of defence either.

[LaMotta]

Even with the mitigating factors I really didn’t like what I saw from Wood today. Looked casual at times and played almost at training game intensity. One thing I noticed when he sprayed one of his many diagonals out the park he threw his hands up in the air at Murphy when he had no chance of catching it. I think he was caught completely cold by the intensity of the game up here and is clearly used to a lot more time on the ball. Dragged from pillar to post by their forwards as well.

Probably seems over the top criticism but throwing the hands up in the air at Murphy after his own poor pass wound me up at the time. Hopefully today was a reality check for him and we will see why he is so highly rated in the future. It wouldn’t have helped forming a new partnership with Cadden on the right side of defence either.

Agree completely.

[LaMotta]

No one is above criticism, but to say a guy that’s been performing well recently is finished at this level is ridiculous. He’s come back from serious illness and has started to show he’s still got it. He should be getting another contract.

:agree: Allan was poor today but has been one of our top performers since he came back into the team. Can't believe what I'm reading from others on him to be honest.

[JohnM1875]

Did he show nothing in the games against Utd, St Mirren and St Johnstone? Can you point me to the games this season that he’s started and shown nothing?

Totally, he wasn't great today but it's embarrassing to suggest he's 'done' or was poor in the pervious games. Subbed against The Rangers because of the red so can't be judged for that. But in the previous two games he offered a goal and two assists. Done my hoop.

[wookie70]

Totally, he wasn't great today but it's embarrassing to suggest he's 'done' or was poor in the pervious games. Subbed against The Rangers because of the red so can't be judged for that. But in the previous two games he offered a goal and two assists. Done my hoop.

Decent ball for a great finish by McGinn and then loses his man for their equaliser. Can't remember his doing much else in the St Mirren game

St Johnstone game he actually nearly played a full game probably because they had a man sent off. Had a decent effort with a chip easily saved and not much else I can remember. Watch him when Boyle scores the penalty. He is on the edge of the box, our only player that side. He is bent over with hands on knees and neither foot moves during Boyle's run up or when the ball hits the net. The least I would expect is a player to be playing, he was actually watching the game at that point rather than playing

Rangers game - Hooked after the sending off. That was the only bit of a Hibs game I have missed for a few years so I watched it tonight. He touched the ball once in an advanced position in open play and gave it away with a poor ball to Cadden. A couple of routine set pieces and a couple of passes at the half way line. Hardly got within two or three yards of a The Thes player when they had a ball excepting once where he gave a cheap foul away. Just before he went off he broke into a trot but apart from that he only managed a slow jog. Ross rightly hooked him and he possibly wouldn't have came out for the second half. He chose not to be involved when we were not in possession in this game shying away from at least two or three challenges where he could have won the ball or made it hard for the opponent. I would say that is a fairly typical performance for Scottie these days and may well be to do with his health. Completely lacking in any drive or energy, a passenger that day as he was today. But today he gave the ball away almost every time he touched it

Dundee Utd in Cup - His best performance. Scored a decent goal after missing the first chance and being lucky to get another bite, good finish though. Played a good ball for a great touch and finish from Newell. I'm normally very critical of his work rate but he worked hard that night and although lacked stamina he was running freely and up to a sprint. Lucky not to be sent off for diving and totally burned out at 60 odd minutes. While he worked hard it wasn't very effective in defence and Utd constantly played down his side

Livi - nice back heal for a brilliant Boyle finish. Not sure he did that much else though.

For me Allan is like Murphy. He is a good player when things are going well. He is very poor when we don't have the ball and often he is lazy too. Today he hardly made an effort at all and there was no way he was coming out for the second half.

If we can get him on a cheap contract with a view to him being a sub when we need something different and can roll the dice of losing a man in defence then sign him up. Otherwise thanks for your service and good luck for the future I'd be surprised if it is in the top division though.

[JohnM1875]

Decent ball for a great finish by McGinn and then loses his man for their equaliser. Can't remember his doing much else in the St Mirren game

St Johnstone game he actually nearly played a full game probably because they had a man sent off. Had a decent effort with a chip easily saved and not much else I can remember. Watch him when Boyle scores the penalty. He is on the edge of the box, our only player that side. He is bent over with hands on knees and neither foot moves during Boyle's run up or when the ball hits the net. The least I would expect is a player to be playing, he was actually watching the game at that point rather than playing

Rangers game - Hooked after the sending off. That was the only bit of a Hibs game I have missed for a few years so I watched it tonight. He touched the ball once in an advanced position in open play and gave it away with a poor ball to Cadden. A couple of routine set pieces and a couple of passes at the half way line. Hardly got within two or three yards of a The Thes player when they had a ball excepting once where he gave a cheap foul away. Just before he went off he broke into a trot but apart from that he only managed a slow jog. Ross rightly hooked him and he possibly wouldn't have came out for the second half. He chose not to be involved when we were not in possession in this game shying away from at least two or three challenges where he could have won the ball or made it hard for the opponent. I would say that is a fairly typical performance for Scottie these days and may well be to do with his health. Completely lacking in any drive or energy, a passenger that day as he was today. But today he gave the ball away almost every time he touched it

Dundee Utd in Cup - His best performance. Scored a decent goal after missing the first chance and being lucky to get another bite, good finish though. Played a good ball for a great touch and finish from Newell. I'm normally very critical of his work rate but he worked hard that night and although lacked stamina he was running freely and up to a sprint. Lucky not to be sent off for diving and totally burned out at 60 odd minutes. While he worked hard it wasn't very effective in defence and Utd constantly played down his side

Livi - nice back heal for a brilliant Boyle finish. Not sure he did that much else though.

For me Allan is like Murphy. He is a good player when things are going well. He is very poor when we don't have the ball and often he is lazy too. Today he hardly made an effort at all and there was no way he was coming out for the second half.

If we can get him on a cheap contract with a view to him being a sub when we need something different and can roll the dice of losing a man in defence then sign him up. Otherwise thanks for your service and good luck for the future I'd be surprised if it is in the top division though.

I 100% agree he had a stinker today. Would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise and I understand him coming off at half time. But I'll never understand this 'lazy' tag he seems to have. He closes down just as much as any attacking player we have and often it's him pushing for the press in attacking positions. There were a few occasions today when it was him closing down their CB and he was telling Nisbet (I appreciate Nisbet isn't the best example to use when it comes to closing payers down) to pressure the potential receiver.

He's undoubtedly lost that wee burst of pace he used to have to get by players but personally think he's far from finished at this level or with Hibs.

[KWJ]

James Scott reminds me of the bad moments of Colin Nish. And when Nish was bad, he was honking. But big Col could also confound you with great moments and goals, Scott has not shown this at all.

I'm specifically thinking of him saving a throw to give a goal kick and the moment he got low to control a ball between both arms.

[Argylehibby]

Nisbet was far worse than Scott

No he wasn’t under any stretch of the imagination.

[Blaster]

I honestly hope never to see Scott in a Hibs jersey again and I don’t like saying that about any player. He’s simply not interested and I think he’s more interested in his bank balance than playing football

No better than gullan. I didn’t want us to sign Griffiths or Cummings but they would give more to the jersey than Scott

[high bee]

Too early to judge Wood surely, especially given how poor we were today. He had big shoes to fill too.

Allan seems to have become a focal point again but I can’t see why personally, the whole team had a bad day but he has shown me enough in the previous few games to suggest he still has the ability and desire to be one of our better players.

I am disappointed with Scott, he was decent before in this league so hopefully something will click but the signs aren’t promising.


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[Franck Stanton]

Would rather play with 10 men than being Jim Scott on to the pitch. He is terrible.
Hammer is our player but for some reason JR doesn't rate him, wrongly imo.

[green day]

Wood clearly not ready for first team, Scott, not good enough for our team.

[Jim44]

Horrendous summer recruitment on that evidence. Neither adding anything to that squad.


That's why Mathie got emptied

Maybe that and other failures.

[Alfred E Newman]

Would rather play with 10 men than being Jim Scott on to the pitch. He is terrible.
Hammer is our player but for some reason JR doesn't rate him, wrongly imo.

Oh how I wish we could put the clock back and bring Jim Scott on!

[Franck Stanton]

Oh how I wish we could put the clock back and bring Jim Scott on!

Me too, both he & his brother Alex were excellent players.

[GordonHFC]

That's why Mathie got emptied

No it wasn't

[lord bunberry]

Would rather play with 10 men than being Jim Scott on to the pitch. He is terrible.
Hammer is our player but for some reason JR doesn't rate him, wrongly imo.
Wrongly in my opinion as well. Gullan isn’t getting a chance right now, and I don’t understand why. Gullan has done so much more than Scott has and he is committed to the club. Scott has been as good as a man short so far.

[Hulk1875]

James Scott reminds me of the bad moments of Colin Nish. And when Nish was bad, he was honking. But big Col could also confound you with great moments and goals, Scott has not shown this at all.

I'm specifically thinking of him saving a throw to give a goal kick and the moment he got low to control a ball between both arms.

Watching Colin nish in charity match last week he’s still Do a job x

[Brooster]

Wood was like a rabbit caught in the headlights but got zero help from those around him. Scott was strutting around like he was some sort of world beater which couldn't have been further from the truth. The bit which really hacked me off was when he hit a wayward cross out of the pitch and his first reaction was to fix his hair. Get Jamie Gullan on before this Billy Big Baws.

[Hiber-nation]

Wood was like a rabbit caught in the headlights but got zero help from those around him. Scott was strutting around like he was some sort of world beater which couldn't have been further from the truth. The bit which really hacked me off was when he hit a wayward cross out of the pitch and his first reaction was to fix his hair. Get Jamie Gullan on before this Billy Big Baws.

Thought it was just me imagining things there S. His attitude stinks.

[MWHIBBIES]

Thought it was just me imagining things there S. His attitude stinks.

Fixing hair is a sign of bad attitude?

[flash]

Wood was like a rabbit caught in the headlights but got zero help from those around him. Scott was strutting around like he was some sort of world beater which couldn't have been further from the truth. The bit which really hacked me off was when he hit a wayward cross out of the pitch and his first reaction was to fix his hair. Get Jamie Gullan on before this Billy Big Baws.
I saw that. He rubbed his head in frustration 100 %.

[Brightside]

Fixing hair is a sign of bad attitude?

Scott Allen must have a stinking attitude. The forum is just taking over by babies after every defeat.

[marinello59]

Scott Allen must have a stinking attitude. The forum is just taking over by babies after every defeat.

Scott Allan NEVER has to fix his hair, it is perfect at all times. And so is Darren McGregor’s.

[jacomo]

Wood was like a rabbit caught in the headlights but got zero help from those around him. Scott was strutting around like he was some sort of world beater which couldn't have been further from the truth. The bit which really hacked me off was when he hit a wayward cross out of the pitch and his first reaction was to fix his hair. Get Jamie Gullan on before this Billy Big Baws.


Ludicrous criticism of Scott here.

[MWHIBBIES]

Scott Allen must have a stinking attitude. The forum is just taking over by babies after every defeat.

Not to mention Ronaldo, argubally the greatest footballer ever.

[Hiber-nation]

Fixing hair is a sign of bad attitude?

Haha....Whatever he did to his hair he has to up his application considerably. Like making runs for starters.

[easty]

We’ve had a week where we’ve been saying Porteous doesn’t deserve the abuse he’s been getting online by other teams staff and fans…and today we’re laying into our own for their bad attitude and haircuts?

[Key West]

Nathan Wood had a turbulent debut, as Shane Duffy found out it’s not that easy in this league, he wasn’t helped any by a lack of leadership at the back.

James Scott can’t seem to get going at all, both need to be backed though.

[Greenworld]

We will just need to bite the bullit until xmas transfer window.

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[Iain G]

Wood was like a rabbit caught in the headlights but got zero help from those around him. Scott was strutting around like he was some sort of world beater which couldn't have been further from the truth. The bit which really hacked me off was when he hit a wayward cross out of the pitch and his first reaction was to fix his hair. Get Jamie Gullan on before this Billy Big Baws.

Am worried our signing policy under Mathie was to sign guys called Billy with big baws...neither wonder he got the sack!

[Eyrie]

Am worried our signing policy under Mathie was to sign guys called Billy with big baws...neither wonder he got the sack!

It helped us gets a sponsorship deal with Manscaped :wink:

And to promote the Cahonas Scotland charity's testicular cancer awareness campaign, which is a good thing.

[B.H.F.C]

We’ve had a week where we’ve been saying Porteous doesn’t deserve the abuse he’s been getting online by other teams staff and fans…and today we’re laying into our own for their bad attitude and haircuts?

The stuff on here is ever so slightly different to messaging a player wishing death or serious illness on them, to be fair.

[loanheadhibby]

Is it OK to add Scott Allan into the mix or will I get shouted down? Not worth a jersey any more and why we tried to get rid. Slow, never in the game, slowed everything down, twice when we were breaking he passed the ball behind the player overlapping and made him stop or slow down and the attack stalled. Thanks for the memories Scotty but not good enough anymore. Agree about Scott and Wood though. Nisbet was shocking as well but he is still in credit at the moment. Newall not up to much either today. All round ***** performance.
You won't get shouted down by me.
Sadly I feel Scott is finished at this level and we can't afford to carry him.
What a shame as he has more ability than most of our squad put together.

[hhibs]

You won't get shouted down by me.
Sadly I feel Scott is finished at this level and we can't afford to carry him.
What a shame as he has more ability than most of our squad put together.


Certainly not even the slightest sign at Hibs,you must have seen him a lot at Motherwell ,I presume?

[Danderhall Hibs]

Certainly not even the slightest sign at Hibs,you must have seen him a lot at Motherwell ,I presume?

I think he means Scott Allan rather than James Scott.

[Brooster]

Fixing hair is a sign of bad attitude?

You know exactly what I mean. Anyone who has been at any of the games he has played in will realise he is a non trier and is nowhere near the standard required.

[Smartie]

You know exactly what I mean. Anyone who has been at any of the games he has played in will realise he is a non trier and is nowhere near the standard required.

I'm not sure I agree that he's a non-trier, but I would agree that he's not shown anything so far to suggest that he's anywhere near the standard required.

[MWHIBBIES]

You know exactly what I mean. Anyone who has been at any of the games he has played in will realise he is a non trier and is nowhere near the standard required.

I've been at them all and not thought this. I think he is being played very much out of position, and hasn't been playing well.

[Perfect Hatrick]

I've been at them all and not thought this. I think he is being played very much out of position, and hasn't been playing well.

What do you reckon is Scotts position?

I can’t for the life of me work out what type of player he’s supposed to be.

I remember when we signed him everyone talking about him ripping James a new one a couple seasons ago so presumed he was either fast or tricky but he doesn’t seem to be either of those things.

[Smartie]

What do you reckon is Scotts position?

I can’t for the life of me work out what type of player he’s supposed to be.

I remember when we signed him everyone talking about him ripping James a new one a couple seasons ago so presumed he was either fast or tricky but he doesn’t seem to be either of those things.

I think he's a left winger, one of those inverted ones who plays on the opposite side and cuts onto his stronger foot.

They're often hot and cold, we've just seen a lot of cold from him so far. It's worth remembering that he had a very good performance against us when at Motherwell, but he looks like he might need a very passive fullback who backs off him constantly in order for him to be successful.

He's never a striker in a million years.

I'd love to be proved wrong but I think he's probably just plain pish. He got a big move to a club who can afford to throw around small money in their terms which is big money on our terms off the back of less than half a dozen decent performances and is now being found out.

He's probably back up for Murphy and nothing else, and I'm not at all convinced he's any better than Gullan, who will surely also be much cheaper.

The idea of him being an option up front or an alternative to Nisbet or Doidge is laughable.

[jacomo]

I’d play Daniel MacKay ahead of James Scott, looks to have more about him and he’s our young player, not a loanee.

We needed cover at no.9 but didn’t get it.

[Peevemor]

I’d play Daniel MacKay ahead of James Scott, looks to have more about him and he’s our young player, not a loanee.

We needed cover at no.9 but didn’t get it.

Is he not injured?

[B.H.F.C]

I’d play Daniel MacKay ahead of James Scott, looks to have more about him and he’s our young player, not a loanee.

We needed cover at no.9 but didn’t get it.

Was wondering the other day what’s up with McKay. Been nowhere to be seen lately but not seen any injury mentioned, other than that he pulled out of the squad late at Tynecastle.

[Since452]

I can really see why Mathie departed. Ross clearly not happy about the end of our summer window. Scott just hasn't impressed me after a promising debut at Dens and i'd be playing Daz before Wood based on Saturdays showing.

In saying that, any team would suffer having four starters out injured/suspended.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

The way that Scott has started for us, he looks like a player who needs to go out on loan to get regular football at a level below. Not sure if you can loan out a loan player.

[Torto7]

Scott has talent but he's nowhere near sharp enough. Wood needs more than one game to judge. We currently have a brutal injury list btw. How many teams in the league would cope with losing genuine first team players like KM,RP, CD etc? It was a rotten performance but we're still in touch with the top and have played away at Ibrox and Tynecastle. Let's not talk ourselves into something worse. We seem to like counter attacking so Im expecting us to bounce back against the sheep as they are leaking like a sieve just now then onto Celtic at home. I still maintain we've performed at a high standard over the course of the season there's no reason to think the team wont bounce back.

[lord bunberry]

The way that Scott has started for us, he looks like a player who needs to go out on loan to get regular football at a level below. Not sure if you can loan out a loan player.
He’s on loan with us to get games under his belt after a bad injury, he’ll probably be brilliant next season, a bit like Magennis.

[Allant1981]

He’s on loan with us to get games under his belt after a bad injury, he’ll probably be brilliant next season, a bit like Magennis.

Was his injury not the 19-20 season

[lord bunberry]

Was his injury not the 19-20 season
I thought it was last season, but you could well be right. If it was he’s not really got any excuses for being so poor so far.

[J-C]

Must admit I remember nothing about Scott before he went down south, so far he's shown pretty much nothing to suggest he should be here, obviously a very last minute loan signing due to the cock up at the end of the window. Wood is still fairly young and not really what we want at this moment in time, we need someone who can step in/compete with the other CH's, again I think McCart was who we wanted but something went wrong with that deal.

[Brightside]

We have sent Brydon away to Strollers now also... I've no issue with Wood at this point. He's played one game and only an idiot would base an opinion on that game. But its still a worry that we dont have player ready to replace Hanlon or Porto. Porto will leave sooner rather than later and succession needs to be in place before end of season imo.

[JohnM1875]

We have sent Brydon away to Strollers now also... I've no issue with Wood at this point. He's played one game and only an idiot would base an opinion on that game. But its still a worry that we dont have player ready to replace Hanlon or Porto. Porto will leave sooner rather than later and succession needs to be in place before end of season imo.

We'll no doubt try for McCart on a pre-contract in January.

[Spike Mandela]

When we signed Wood in the summer I voiced the opinion on here that he would probablly play more for the youth team as he was only 19 and maybe pick up the odd game here and there in the first team squad if we had a long injury list.

I was quite surprised at the backlash I got for saying it. “No way he’s coming here to play second fiddle to Daz or Porto”, “He’s an English u20 international” and the doozy” Warnock will have insisted Hibs MUST play him”

He’s 19, here for experience, 4th choice in the squad imo. Pretty sure Jack Ross put him in on Saturday to see what he could do. Whether we see him again next Saturday will be down to the young man’s strength of character to bounce back or if Daz is injured.

What we shouldn’t do is consign him to the dustbin of history due to one bad game. He is learning his trade. How many times have we seen a player thriving in his later career for us to claim “ don’t know how, he was ***** when he was here”.

An inexperienced, 19 year old lad with potential wasn’t what Hibs needed to sign in the summer but we have to be realistic and accept that’s what we have and I’m sure his experience at Hibs will go a long way to how far he actually goes in the game.

[flash]

Both these players are young with very little experience.
I hope they do well for us and I hope they have decent careers but they certainly aren't what we needed in the last window.
I don't know why it happened but that transfer window has set us back big time and it's little surprise there have been serious repercussions.

[3pm]

Neil Warnock not happy at Nathan's agent for choosing Hibs.

The criticism doesn't appear to be at us.

[Lago]

Neil Warnock not happy at Nathan's agent for choosing Hibs.

The criticism doesn't appear to be at us.
Looking for a way out perhaps?

[J-C]

Neil Warnock not happy at Nathan's agent for choosing Hibs.

The criticism doesn't appear to be at us.

Understandable, the lad needs games and he'll be restricted here, should've went to div 1 England

[jacomo]

Nathan Wood had a turbulent debut, as Shane Duffy found out it’s not that easy in this league, he wasn’t helped any by a lack of leadership at the back.

James Scott can’t seem to get going at all, both need to be backed though.


Yes of course, I’m sure our management team are working hard with them every day, coaching and encouraging them. That’s what really matters.

However, it is also a fair observation, imo, that so far neither of them look any good for us at all.

[Perfect Hatrick]

Looking for a way out perhaps?

Unless Hibs terminate the deal then there is no way out according to Warnock.

[J-C]

Unless Hibs terminate the deal then there is no way out according to Warnock.

I think if the lad is unhappy, Hibs won't stand in his way to go back to Middlesbrough.

[Billy Whizz]

I think if the lad is unhappy, Hibs won't stand in his way to go back to Middlesbrough.

Was it a season long loan?

[J-C]

Was it a season long loan?

I think so but it can be terminated in the next window, as long as both parties agree.

[superfurryhibby]

Neil Warnock not happy at Nathan's agent for choosing Hibs.

The criticism doesn't appear to be at us.

What’s the source for that ? I would have thought the club decides where their players go on loan, not the agents?

[Brightside]

What’s the source for that ? I would have thought the club decides where their players go on loan, not the agents?

All over the press.

[superfurryhibby]

All over the press.

I don’t read newspapers, but thanks for that helpful tip :aok:

[Allant1981]

I don’t read newspapers, but thanks for that helpful tip :aok:

He had a moan that he cant recall the player and that it looks like a crap move as he hasnt played a game yet(was before saturday)

[Since452]

Wood would get more games for Middlesbrough than Hibs. Strange loan.

[Callum_62]

I don’t read newspapers, but thanks for that helpful tip :aok:Pretty sure Google will help

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-middlesbrough-manager-makes-nathan-wood-recall-claim-as-he-hits-out-at-players-agent-3423557%3famp

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[Unseen work]

I only saw bits of the game at the weekend but just watched the game back in full today.

Other than his distribution I thought he was decent enough. Never lost many headers and won his tackles.

His distribution was trying to play that Ryan Porteous ball that often sets out attacks underway and he changes play so easily. Wood struggled with that ball a lot today and against Aberdeen he needs to improve dramatically or more preferably leave it to Hanlon. He also needs Newell, JDH etc to get on the ball and the guys higher up to give better options.

Porteous and McGinn were massive misses as their distribution overall is very good.

It doesn’t help when none of our attacker could control a ball on Saturday.

[LaMotta]

I only saw bits of the game at the weekend but just watched the game back in full today.

Other than his distribution I thought he was decent enough. Never lost many headers and won his tackles.

His distribution was trying to play that Ryan Porteous ball that often sets out attacks underway and he changes play so easily. Wood struggled with that ball a lot today and against Aberdeen he needs to improve dramatically or more preferably leave it to Hanlon. He also needs Newell, JDH etc to get on the ball and the guys higher up to give better options.

Porteous and McGinn were massive misses as their distribution overall is very good.

It doesn’t help when none of our attacker could control a ball on Saturday.

He was poor at the third goal, far too far off his man twice in the build up to the goal. That said, Cadden was even worse and so was Murphy at that goal. Cadden was also poor at the first.

[JimBHibees]

He was poor at the third goal, far too far off his man twice in the build up to the goal. That said, Cadden was even worse and so was Murphy at that goal. Cadden was also poor at the first.

Personally thought both Newell and JDH were very poor at first goal in not reacting at all to a free ball just outside our box.

[CMurdoch]

He was poor at the third goal, far too far off his man twice in the build up to the goal. That said, Cadden was even worse and so was Murphy at that goal. Cadden was also poor at the first.

Wood made it easy for Clarke to play the ball off from the throw in by not putting enough pressure on him but Hanlon, Cadden, Doig and Murphy were too slow to realise what was happening and couldn't react when Pawlett, the Finnish guy and the scorer Freeman made their runs into the box so when the ball was played through the gap by Clarke all where high and dry and Clarke also left Wood for dead to make it 4 attackers and only 2 defenders.
Pawlett was Hanlons player, the Finnish guy was Caddens, Clarke was Woods, Freeman is Murphy's and Doig should have been sweeping up but because so many Hibs players were sleeping he couldn't cover.

[GRA]

Bit harsh to criticise Wood for one game. He was poor, but the whole team was, the performance on Saturday clearly didn't help.

I agree about Scott though. He's had a few games now to prove himself and has offered absolutely zilch to the team.

[ekhibee]

Defensively I wouldn't rule Wood out just yet as that was his first game for us and he could easily improve. Don't know why he would be singled out, Hanlon is a far more experienced player and the club captain and he was *****.