Why Should Ryan be abused

[gbhibby]

Been reading about the abuse by the keyboard cowards aimed at Ryan. We all know which sets of fans are responsible. Perhaps managers of other teams should engage their brains before making comments, especially when you have made worse tackles in your career. Your comments make some idiots think that Ryan is fair game for abuse. Christ it's only a game of football. Police should be getting involved as they have done with racist comments made online.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Because time and again whether it be any flavour or hate crime, social media companies have been found wanting. Amnesty International did report in to treatment of women. Twitters CEO Dorsey? comments over the years admission they need to do better and have come up short rinse and repeat. It’s just not a priority. It needs taken out of their hands.

[theonlywayisup]

Been reading about the abuse by the keyboard cowards aimed at Ryan. We all know which sets of fans are responsible. Perhaps managers of other teams should engage their brains before making comments, especially when you have made worse tackles in your career. Your comments make some idiots think that Ryan is fair game for abuse. Christ it's only a game of football. Police should be getting involved as they have done with racist comments made online.

If you are referring to SG, good luck with that one. SG must be up there with one of the most classless managers out there. He's well suited to the TRFC.

[gbhibby]

If you are referring to SG, good luck with that one. SG must be up there with one of the most classless managers out there. He's well suited to the TRFC.
Yes his comments and his actions relating to Ryan have shown a severe lack of class.

[blackpoolhibs]

Football players much better than Ryan have been abused, in fact i've heard our own fans abuse our own players.

Good players rise above it and thrive, i'm pretty sure Ryan is a strong enough personality to do exactly that. :thumbsup:

[hibby rae]

Football players much better than Ryan have been abused, in fact i've heard our own fans abuse our own players.

Good players rise above it and thrive, i'm pretty sure Ryan is a strong enough personality to do exactly that. :thumbsup:

Footballers are human beings and shouldn't have to 'rise above it'. No one, no matter what they do for a living, should be the target of such abuse.

Especially when targetted by cowards who hide behind a screen and spurt out their vile abuse.

Doesn't matter how strong someone is seen to be, this can have a severe impact on mental health.

[Keith_M]

I get the point about online abuse in general, but is Porteous really going to be crying into his cornflakes because of some online comments by fans of The Govan Bigots?

[MWHIBBIES]

Football players much better than Ryan have been abused, in fact i've heard our own fans abuse our own players.

Good players rise above it and thrive, i'm pretty sure Ryan is a strong enough personality to do exactly that. :thumbsup:

Rising above it is not a sign of a good player. It is nothing to do with ability. Plenty of extremely talented footballers have struggled massively with mental health issues due to the abuse they get. No one should have to rise above it.

[blackpoolhibs]

Footballers are human beings and shouldn't have to 'rise above it'. No one, no matter what they do for a living, should be the target of such abuse.

Especially when targetted by cowards who hide behind a screen and spurt out their vile abuse.

Doesn't matter how strong someone is seen to be, this can have a severe impact on mental health.

Good luck stopping it Rae. :aok:

[uwxm07]

I tried to comment on the Times on line article about the abuse yesterday although my earlier posts, after receiving a number of likes ,were removed after complaints as being against the TOL policy ( I referred to Their “appalling” managers comments) although finally manage to get this published.
The orcs were biting back at every point ( references to “The “ were poorly received as well :greengrin)





“My earlier point was the tackle was in no way as bad as it’s being labelled and manipulated by The Rangers controlled media . The influencing started with the crowd , continued with the managers comments post match , the sport scene pundits and the West coast media . Hibs appeal had no chance of a fair hearing whatsoever . Ryan has a good disciplinary record but has been red carded twice by the same referee for similar tackles both against The Rangers . Conspiracy ? What conspiracy it’s just we need to accept Scottish football is subject to an old firm influenced media which creates a poisonous atmosphere resulting in the abuse dolled out on Social media to anyone who dares to disagree”

[hibby rae]

Good luck stopping it Rae. :aok:

I don't have the power to do that, but others do. Saying you just need to rise above it? That is the wrong approach.

No offence, but attitudes like that are one of the reasons suicide is the biggest killer of young men.

[J-C]

I came off Twitter for all these reasons, non stop vile hatred, homophobia, racism.

[CMurdoch]

Good luck stopping it Rae. :aok:

We can't even stop it on this site.
Abuse of referees, players, managers and supporters of other teams is regularly posted on this site.

[blackpoolhibs]

I don't have the power to do that, but others do. Saying you just need to rise above it? That is the wrong approach.

No offence, but attitudes like that are one of the reasons suicide is the biggest killer of young men.

Away and bile yer heid man, he's a football player, football players get stick, they have done for years and years.

He will have to rise above it, he's quite happy to stand over Morelos and dig him out. He's stronger than any of this, he will rise above it, and no he wont commit suicide.

FFS is mental health now the go to disease whenever anyone is criticised?

[gbhibby]

The abuse that Ryan received will probably be water of a ducks back for him and won't bother him. You then get in to the issue of the social media allowing abuse online without censorship but that opens up another huge debate which is probably for the Holy Ground.
The keyboard cowards should realise their can be consequences of their actions as there have been cases of people taking their own lives because of abuse online.

[jacomo]

Away and bile yer heid man, he's a football player, football players get stick, they have done for years and years.

He will have to rise above it, he's quite happy to stand over Morelos and dig him out. He's stronger than any of this, he will rise above it, and no he wont commit suicide.

FFS is mental health now the go to disease whenever anyone is criticised?


I think social media has changed the game. Players can get sent abuse at anytime, it’s not just during a match.

[MWHIBBIES]

Away and bile yer heid man, he's a football player, football players get stick, they have done for years and years.

He will have to rise above it, he's quite happy to stand over Morelos and dig him out. He's stronger than any of this, he will rise above it, and no he wont commit suicide.

FFS is mental health now the go to disease whenever anyone is criticised?

Mental health isn't a disease. People struggle with all kinds of battles mentally. This clearly is getting to Ryan because he literally said it in the reply to that journo. Its nothing to do with strength. You aren't weak if you struggle with anxiety, depression and such.

Saying he needs to rise above it is putting the responsibility on him to deal with it, when the responsiblity is actually on the persons who are giving him the abuse, and the authorities to deal with those persons.

Telling someone to kill themselves or calling them sectarian names etc isn't criticism. Its disgusting abuse.

[hibby rae]

Away and bile yer heid man, he's a football player, football players get stick, they have done for years and years.

He will have to rise above it, he's quite happy to stand over Morelos and dig him out. He's stronger than any of this, he will rise above it, and no he wont commit suicide.

FFS is mental health now the go to disease whenever anyone is criticised?

I take it your shift at the Samaritans starts later?

He wasn't just criticised. He was held up for criticism on a national level by those who know better and subsequently subjected to horrific homophobic and sectarian abuse. He was told they wanted him to die. For some reason you are failing to see the difference between players facing up to each other, and fans having a bit if banter e.g. 'you're ****' and what has happened here

He most probably won't. But I imagine a lot of people who killed themselves had people say 'never thought this would happen'. Footballers have got stick for years, and a kot of it needs to change. Think the problems previously playwrs faced, and the consequences.

I'm sorry but your attitude stinks here.

[blackpoolhibs]

I take it your shift at the Samaritans starts later?

He wasn't just criticised. He was held up for criticism on a national level by those who know better and subsequently subjected to horrific homophobic and sectarian abuse. He was told they wanted him to die. For some reason you are failing to see the difference between players facing up to each other, and fans having a bit if banter e.g. 'you're ****' and what has happened here

He most probably won't. But I imagine a lot of people who killed themselves had people say 'never thought this would happen'. Footballers have got stick for years, and a kot of it needs to change. Think the problems previously playwrs faced, and the consequences.

I'm sorry but your attitude stinks here.
:faf:

Everyone knows there are people with mental health problems, but not everything that happens today has to be made out as if it is.

[Bangkok Hibby]

:faf:

Everyone knows there are people with mental health problems, but not everything that happens today has to be made out as if it is.

Not everyone will agree with you obviously but refreshing to see your point of view in this ever more sanitised and offended culture.

[hibby rae]

:faf:

Everyone knows there are people with mental health problems, but not everything that happens today has to be made out as if it is.

At that isn't what happens. But it is relevant here. Unless you are saying Jack Ross' is full of **** with his comments about player welfare and the consequences of the criticism and abuse shown towards Ryan.

[147lothian]

I came off Twitter for all these reasons, non stop vile hatred, homophobia, racism.

Likewise, there is no debate on Twitter, it's just slurs and name calling, with easily accessible bile, best avoided.

[blackpoolhibs]

At that isn't what happens. But it is relevant here. Unless you are saying Jack Ross' is full of **** with his comments about player welfare and the consequences of the criticism and abuse shown towards Ryan.

I have said for many years, dont believe a single word that comes out of ANY managers face. Ryan Porteous is one of those players who takes the piss out of everyone.

We are going down the road now where nobody can say anything without someone coming on here or any other social media and going on about how it affects their mental health.

I wonder how Bobby Moore and Jimmy hill managed to stay away from the paracetamol bottles.

I could pick out bits of post here on most threads that would insult one person or another.

You may as well shut down everything, as it's not going to change.

[Pretty Boy]

Ryan Porteous specifically referenced players mental health when he privately responded to a journo joining in the pile on. The journo subsequently made that private conversation public.

I think it's fair to say that makes it relevant here.

[gbhibby]

I have said for many years, dont believe a single word that comes out of ANY managers face. Ryan Porteous is one of those players who takes the piss out of everyone.

We are going down the road now where nobody can say anything without someone coming on here or any other social media and going on about how it affects their mental health.

I wonder how Bobby Moore and Jimmy hill managed to stay away from the paracetamol bottles.

I could pick out bits of post here on most threads that would insult one person or another.

You may as well shut down everything, as it's not going to change.
So Jack Ross is a liar🤔

[MWHIBBIES]

I have said for many years, dont believe a single word that comes out of ANY managers face. Ryan Porteous is one of those players who takes the piss out of everyone.

We are going down the road now where nobody can say anything without someone coming on here or any other social media and going on about how it affects their mental health.

I wonder how Bobby Moore and Jimmy hill managed to stay away from the paracetamol bottles.

I could pick out bits of post here on most threads that would insult one person or another.

You may as well shut down everything, as it's not going to change.
Pretty big difference between insulting someone and homophobic and sectarian abuse, and being told to kill yourself.

[blackpoolhibs]

So Jack Ross is a liar🤔

I think it would take me 2 minutes to find an untruth that Jack has said. I probably wont do so just incase it affects his mental health.

[gbhibby]

I think it would take me 2 minutes to find an untruth that Jack has said. I probably wont do so just incase it affects his mental health.

What?????

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I think it would take me 2 minutes to find an untruth that Jack has said. I probably wont do so just incase it affects his mental health.

🎣 😀

[MWHIBBIES]

I think it would take me 2 minutes to find an untruth that Jack has said. I probably wont do so just incase it affects his mental health.

Trolling about mental health now. Good stuff.

[blackpoolhibs]

Trolling about mental health now. Good stuff.

Ah the trolling attack, good stuff. It's as if you cant have a conversation about mental health now, you cant have an opinion based on it maybe being a little bit exaggerated to fit the narrative.

Probably not allowed to say that though, you never know eh, just in case?:rolleyes:

[WeeRussell]

I have said for many years, dont believe a single word that comes out of ANY managers face. Ryan Porteous is one of those players who takes the piss out of everyone.

We are going down the road now where nobody can say anything without someone coming on here or any other social media and going on about how it affects their mental health.

I wonder how Bobby Moore and Jimmy hill managed to stay away from the paracetamol bottles.

I could pick out bits of post here on most threads that would insult one person or another.

You may as well shut down everything, as it's not going to change.

I think I kind of get your overall point BH - I actually think, to some extent, it plays down those people who actually have suffered or are suffering with real mental health problems when SOME others use it as a go-to any time they’re feeling a bit down. For example I used to think I got a “bit depressed” when hungover, until I found out what real depression feels like.

However your second line doesn’t make sense at all to me. People with mental health issues are still capable of taking the p1ss out of everyone, especially if that’s their regular character. I maybe didn’t enjoy myself as much during depression but I still tried to keep up or at least appear to be my usual joking dry-humoured self amongst friends. And Robin Williams spent his life not taking it seriously.

In fact, I’m my experience it’s the biggest p1ss-takers who have turned out to be suffering most.

Like I say though, I do think I get what you’re trying to say.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think I kind of get your overall point BH - I actually think, to some extent, it plays down those people who actually have suffered or are suffering with real mental health problems when SOME others use it as a go-to any time they’re feeling a bit down. For example I used to think I got a “bit depressed” when hungover, until I found out what real depression feels like.

However your second line doesn’t make sense at all to me. People with mental health issues are still capable of taking the p1ss out of everyone, especially if that’s their regular character. I maybe didn’t enjoy myself as much during depression but I still tried to keep up or at least appear to be my usual joking dry-humoured self amongst friends. And Robin Williams spent his life not taking it seriously.

In fact, I’m my experience it’s the biggest p1ss-takers who have turned out to be suffering most.

Like I say though, I do think I get what you’re trying to say.

Thanks for that reply, and good to hear some sense on this matter from someone who has actually suffered. :aok:

[Pretty Boy]

I think I kind of get your overall point BH - I actually think, to some extent, it plays down those people who actually have suffered or are suffering with real mental health problems when SOME others use it as a go-to any time they’re feeling a bit down. For example I used to think I got a “bit depressed” when hungover, until I found out what real depression feels like.

However your second line doesn’t make sense at all to me. People with mental health issues are still capable of taking the p1ss out of everyone, especially if that’s their regular character. I maybe didn’t enjoy myself as much during depression but I still tried to keep up or at least appear to be my usual joking dry-humoured self amongst friends. And Robin Williams spent his life not taking it seriously.

In fact, I’m my experience it’s the biggest p1ss-takers who have turned out to be suffering most.

Like I say though, I do think I get what you’re trying to say.

I think you nail it in the middle. Using someone's external persona as a gauge of their mental health isn't always a particularly reliable method. How often do you hear and see people say 'I didn't see that coming' or 'he was such a happy go lucky guy' after someone takes their own life? When I was struggling most with my mental health to the outside world I probably looked like I was having the time of my life. I was drinking and gambling, 1st to arrive, last to leave. It was a good front and I wasn't far off being the happy go lucky guy who done something that no one saw coming.

As I said earlier in the thread Ryan Poertoeus specifically referenced mental health in a private conversation that was subsequently made public. I think I'll defer to him on this one over someone making crass comments about paracetamol bottles online.

[matty_f]

Not everyone will agree with you obviously but refreshing to see your point of view in this ever more sanitised and offended culture.

You could also phrase that as “more enlightened culture”. We know and understand a lot more about mental health issues and issues around race/sex/gender etc these days.

[CMurdoch]

I think I kind of get your overall point BH - I actually think, to some extent, it plays down those people who actually have suffered or are suffering with real mental health problems when SOME others use it as a go-to any time they’re feeling a bit down. For example I used to think I got a “bit depressed” when hungover, until I found out what real depression feels like.

However your second line doesn’t make sense at all to me. People with mental health issues are still capable of taking the p1ss out of everyone, especially if that’s their regular character. I maybe didn’t enjoy myself as much during depression but I still tried to keep up or at least appear to be my usual joking dry-humoured self amongst friends. And Robin Williams spent his life not taking it seriously.

In fact, I’m my experience it’s the biggest p1ss-takers who have turned out to be suffering most.

Like I say though, I do think I get what you’re trying to say.

:top marks

[hibby rae]

Thanks for that reply, and good to hear some sense on this matter from someone who has actually suffered. :aok:

I think you'll probably find it is more prevalent than you think, and I for one have shared a similar experience to WeeRussell in the past. Depression, and all mental health issues, are ****ing horrible to experience. Perhaps you are lucky enough to haven't went through it yourself, so you don't understand it and what is being said here?

But that is why I have found some of your remarks on this particular thread to be distasteful.

[flash]

🎣 😀

Aye hilarious.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think you'll probably find it is more prevalent than you think, and I for one have shared a similar experience to WeeRussell in the past. Depression, and all mental health issues, are ****ing horrible to experience. Perhaps you are lucky enough to haven't went through it yourself, so you don't understand it and what is being said here?

But that is why I have found some of your remarks on this particular thread to be distasteful.

I found some of the remarks about Kyle McGennis last season distasteful, but they were fine. You cant question mental health issues though without being a troll though.

[hibby rae]

I found some of the remarks about Kyle McGennis last season distasteful, but they were fine. You cant question mental health issues though without being a troll though.

I have no idea what these remarks were, and don't see how that holds any relevance to the topic in hand.

Why would you need to question mental health issues?

[MWHIBBIES]

I found some of the remarks about Kyle McGennis last season distasteful, but they were fine. You cant question mental health issues though without being a troll though.

Of course you can. You were literally trolling though.

[blackpoolhibs]

I have no idea what these remarks were, and don't see how that holds any relevance to the topic in hand.

Why would you need to question mental health issues?

I'm questioning why any abuse players get has to immediately get attributed to affecting a players mental health, if this is the case, we all better stop having a go at Morelos, Scott Brown in fact everyone. If this is what needs to happen then fine, but we all have to look in the mirror, we all have to reflect on what we say and do, not just pick out when and where we want it to be in our favour.


Of course you can. You were literally trolling though.

Brilliant. :rolleyes:

[hibby rae]

I'm questioning why any abuse players get has to immediately get attributed to affecting a players mental health, if this is the case, we all better stop having a go at Morelos, Scott Brown in fact everyone. If this is what needs to happen then fine, but we all have to look in the mirror, we all have to reflect on what we say and do, not just pick out when and where we want it to be in our favour.



Brilliant. :rolleyes:

If a player is criticised, as most will have been yesterday for a poor team performance, it doesn't get immediately tied to their mental health, but abuse is different. If someone, not in the public eye, was getting bullied at work, or targeted by online trolls it would be reasonable to be aware of any impact on their mental health. So why not do that with a footballer too?

I think if someone is targeted in the way Ryan has been in the past couple of weeks (homophobia, sectarianism, saying the want them to die etc.) then it is relevant to discuss that, especially as Pretty Boy pointed out, Ryan himself mentioned it to a journalist as did Jack Ross.

Some of the things said to Morelos are deplorable, Scott Brown has been frequently targeted with abuse over his dead sister, I hope to god it does change and we do see an end to that.

Your point about everyone reflecting on our own behaviour is correct, we should all do that at times. Self-examination is a good thing. I would suggest you begin by reflecting on some crass statements about mental health that you have said in this thread.

[blackpoolhibs]

If a player is criticised, as most will have been yesterday for a poor team performance, it doesn't get immediately tied to their mental health, but abuse is different. If someone, not in the public eye, was getting bullied at work, or targeted by online trolls it would be reasonable to be aware of any impact on their mental health. So why not do that with a footballer too?

I think if someone is targeted in the way Ryan has been in the past couple of weeks (homophobia, sectarianism, saying the want them to die etc.) then it is relevant to discuss that, especially as Pretty Boy pointed out, Ryan himself mentioned it to a journalist as did Jack Ross.

Some of the things said to Morelos are deplorable, Scott Brown has been frequently targeted with abuse over his dead sister, I hope to god it does change and we do see an end to that.

Your point about everyone reflecting on our own behaviour is correct, we should all do that at times. Self-examination is a good thing. I would suggest you begin by reflecting on some crass statements about mental health that you have said in this thread.

Good points, and i will reflect on some of my wording on this thread. There are a few subjects that you really cant approach on here from the opposite view of the majority.

As long as i'm not breaking the rules, and i can assure you my posts are not trolling, these are my views and rightly or wrongly, i should be allowed t give them.

[matty_f]

If a player is criticised, as most will have been yesterday for a poor team performance, it doesn't get immediately tied to their mental health, but abuse is different. If someone, not in the public eye, was getting bullied at work, or targeted by online trolls it would be reasonable to be aware of any impact on their mental health. So why not do that with a footballer too?

I think if someone is targeted in the way Ryan has been in the past couple of weeks (homophobia, sectarianism, saying the want them to die etc.) then it is relevant to discuss that, especially as Pretty Boy pointed out, Ryan himself mentioned it to a journalist as did Jack Ross.

Some of the things said to Morelos are deplorable, Scott Brown has been frequently targeted with abuse over his dead sister, I hope to god it does change and we do see an end to that.

Your point about everyone reflecting on our own behaviour is correct, we should all do that at times. Self-examination is a good thing. I would suggest you begin by reflecting on some crass statements about mental health that you have said in this thread.

Good post. A lot of people don’t want to face up to the responsibility of having to moderate their own behaviour (Blackpool, for clarity I’m not referring to you here specifically), and weirdly some people really seem to resent the idea that they just shouldn’t abuse people full stop. Like that’s too big an ask for them.

And I say that from a position of being someone who does take the piss out of people from time to time so I am aware that I need to reflect as well.

[hibby rae]

Good points, and i will reflect on some of my wording on this thread. There are a few subjects that you really cant approach on here from the opposite view of the majority.

As long as i'm not breaking the rules, and i can assure you my posts are not trolling, these are my views and rightly or wrongly, i should be allowed t give them.

I for one appreciate that.

[hibby rae]

Good post. A lot of people don’t want to face up to the responsibility of having to moderate their own behaviour (Blackpool, for clarity I’m not referring to you here specifically), and weirdly some people really seem to resent the idea that they just shouldn’t abuse people full stop. Like that’s too big an ask for them.

And I say that from a position of being someone who does take the piss out of people from time to time so I am aware that I need to reflect as well.

Couldn't agree more. You see it in all walks of life. Take someone like Laurence Fox for example, going off-football, targets groups incessently with punch-down humour and politics but then when pulled up on it acts like they are the ones being targeted. Of course, the whole exercise was intended to make a story.

[blackpoolhibs]

Good post. A lot of people don’t want to face up to the responsibility of having to moderate their own behaviour (Blackpool, for clarity I’m not referring to you here specifically), and weirdly some people really seem to resent the idea that they just shouldn’t abuse people full stop. Like that’s too big an ask for them.

And I say that from a position of being someone who does take the piss out of people from time to time so I am aware that I need to reflect as well.

How do you feel about people who abuse Rebecca loo's or Katie Price, you know what i'm getting at dont you?

Piss taking is part of life, a huge part of mine, and while there is no thoughts to their mental health, we cant then think Ryan Porteous deserves special treatment from fans and the likes, if we dont afford the others the same respect.

And as i said at the start of this, we cant trot the mental health card every time something like this happens.

[flash]

How do you feel about people who abuse Rebecca loo's or Katie Price, you know what i'm getting at dont you?

Piss taking is part of life, a huge part of mine, and while there is no thoughts to their mental health, we cant then think Ryan Porteous deserves special treatment from fans and the likes, if we dont afford the others the same respect.

And as i said at the start of this, we cant trot the mental health card every time something like this happens.
He received messages saying people hoped he died from a brain tumour. Not sure that qualifies as mere piss taking
He had the vast majority of the Scottish football media joining in a witch hunt started by the manager of a rival club.
Why for one second would anyone think that definitely wouldn't affect his mental health?

[blackpoolhibs]

He received messages saying people hoped he died from a brain tumour. Not sure that qualifies as mere piss taking
He had the vast majority of the Scottish football media joining in a witch hunt started by the manager of a rival club.
Why for one second would anyone think that definitely wouldn't affect his mental health?

I have no idea if it affected his mental health, like you i'm no mental health doctor, and not once have i said he was not affected, or it didnt affect his mental health.

[flash]

:faf:

Everyone knows there are people with mental health problems, but not everything that happens today has to be made out as if it is.

Right you are. The 1970s have been on the phone they want their attitude back.

[MWHIBBIES]

Good points, and i will reflect on some of my wording on this thread. There are a few subjects that you really cant approach on here from the opposite view of the majority.

As long as i'm not breaking the rules, and i can assure you my posts are not trolling, these are my views and rightly or wrongly, i should be allowed t give them.


I think it would take me 2 minutes to find an untruth that Jack has said. I probably wont do so just incase it affects his mental health.

The post I've quoted is clearly trolling.

[matty_f]

How do you feel about people who abuse Rebecca loo's or Katie Price, you know what i'm getting at dont you?

Piss taking is part of life, a huge part of mine, and while there is no thoughts to their mental health, we cant then think Ryan Porteous deserves special treatment from fans and the likes, if we dont afford the others the same respect.

And as i said at the start of this, we cant trot the mental health card every time something like this happens.

I don’t really think folk should be getting abused, be that Rebecca Loos, Katie Price, Ryan Porteous or whoever. Like I said in my post, I’m not sitting throwing stones from a glass house because I recognise I’ve taken the piss out of folk and I’ll probably do it again because I’m not perfect.

There’s room for piss taking and i would say that folk saying Porteous has had a shocker on here, where he can choose to read or not, is a world away from tagging him directly on Twitter or Instagram and giving him abuse, or using broadcast media to do it.

Same goes for Katie Price and Rebecca Loos, I’d find it inconceivable that someone would feel the need to tag them in something to give them abuse or take the piss out of them.

[Yorkshire HFC]

If a player is criticised, as most will have been yesterday for a poor team performance, it doesn't get immediately tied to their mental health, but abuse is different. If someone, not in the public eye, was getting bullied at work, or targeted by online trolls it would be reasonable to be aware of any impact on their mental health. So why not do that with a footballer too?

I think if someone is targeted in the way Ryan has been in the past couple of weeks (homophobia, sectarianism, saying the want them to die etc.) then it is relevant to discuss that, especially as Pretty Boy pointed out, Ryan himself mentioned it to a journalist as did Jack Ross.

Some of the things said to Morelos are deplorable, Scott Brown has been frequently targeted with abuse over his dead sister, I hope to god it does change and we do see an end to that.

Your point about everyone reflecting on our own behaviour is correct, we should all do that at times. Self-examination is a good thing. I would suggest you begin by reflecting on some crass statements about mental health that you have said in this thread.

Why is it okay to come onto the internet (this website) and tell someone that they are rubbish at their job? (When they are in the top 0.05% of talent in the country).

It still seems to be open season to criticise footballers - and politicians. I'm sure not many lawyers or plumbers or bank tellers or shelf stackers could deal with that every day. But it's still expected that footballers just shrug it off "cos they get paid loads of money".

[blackpoolhibs]

I don’t really think folk should be getting abused, be that Rebecca Loos, Katie Price, Ryan Porteous or whoever. Like I said in my post, I’m not sitting throwing stones from a glass house because I recognise I’ve taken the piss out of folk and I’ll probably do it again because I’m not perfect.

There’s room for piss taking and i would say that folk saying Porteous has had a shocker on here, where he can choose to read or not, is a world away from tagging him directly on Twitter or Instagram and giving him abuse, or using broadcast media to do it.

Same goes for Katie Price and Rebecca Loos, I’d find it inconceivable that someone would feel the need to tag them in something to give them abuse or take the piss out of them.

You will get no argument from me on any of that, apart from abusing players at gaames, been doing it since i was a kid, and will probably still do it until i die.

I'm one of the biggest piss taker going, it's part and parcel of mine and a lot of people's life.

We are all going round in circles here, when the point i'm making (probably badly) is we cant keep trotting out the mental health card at everything we dont like, but ignore it when we do like it.

[CMurdoch]

I found some of the remarks about Kyle McGennis last season distasteful, but they were fine. You cant question mental health issues though without being a troll though.


I'm questioning why any abuse players get has to immediately get attributed to affecting a players mental health, if this is the case, we all better stop having a go at Morelos, Scott Brown in fact everyone. If this is what needs to happen then fine, but we all have to look in the mirror, we all have to reflect on what we say and do, not just pick out when and where we want it to be in our favour.



Good points, and i will reflect on some of my wording on this thread. There are a few subjects that you really cant approach on here from the opposite view of the majority.

You were jumped on excessively and the points you make in reply, quoted above, are good ones. Also some good posts replying to you which was positive.
There is always massive hypocracy and bias on football club forums and it is a difficult place to have nuanced opinions which differ from the status quo. Any nuance is generally ignored and the two footed studs up challenge quickly comes your way.

As reasonably aware and intelligent people most of us continually reflect on and adjust our views and behaviours in relation to issues like mental health and some of the posts on this thread are part of that learning. That leads back to the point I think you were trying to make.

JR made a big thing about anonymous worthless drongo's extreme abuse of RP on obscure places which Ryan probably never saw. IMO the non abusive public criticisms of him in the media would have been far more real and negative to his MH but the extreme abuse made the headline.
Similarly were people on here thinking about the mental health of James Scott yesterday when they were criticising him on here? He has been roundly criticised for his poor performances all season after similar criticism for a couple of years at Hull City. His struggles for form and the pressure that builds up will affect his mental health far worse than any mild abuse on social media platforms.

Unfortunately, the mental health of most of us isn't insulated against our performance at work although for footballers their predicament is very public and everyone has an opinion on their performance which in the modern era they can publicly voice on social media no matter how off beam.

[Key West]

I haven’t read any offensive posts by Blackpool Hibs, he just comes across as a cynical auld guy.:greengrin

[Keith_M]

The same as almost everyone else on here, I have no idea how any of this has actually affected Ryan's mental health.

But surely that was BH's point, simply that he didn't agree with people deciding beforehand that there must be Mental Health issues in this instance, which seems fair enough.

:dunno:

[blackpoolhibs]

I haven’t read any offensive posts by Blackpool Hibs, he just comes across as a cynical auld guy.:greengrin
Less of the auld. :wink:

[MWHIBBIES]

The same as almost everyone else on here, I have no idea how any of this has actually affected Ryan's mental health.

But surely that was BH's point, simply that he didn't agree with people deciding beforehand that there must be Mental Health issues in this instance, which seems fair enough.

:dunno:

Didn't Ryan literally say it was affected his mental health in those messages to the journalist?

[blackpoolhibs]

Didn't Ryan literally say it was affected his mental health in those messages to the journalist?

How does he know?

[PolmontHibby]

About the only positive from this is that the feedback from Ross and Newell in particular is that while it has caused upset to RP, managers, players and ER support staff have reached out to give support. Also good to see Marvin Bartley joining the increasing demands for social media companies getting their act together to prevent such abuse.

Usual silence from the SFA/SPFL though based on Jack Ross interview yesterday.

[Keith_M]

Didn't Ryan literally say it was affected his mental health in those messages to the journalist?


Where did you see that, mate?

[MWHIBBIES]

Where did you see that, mate?

Can't find the pictures but I'm sure the that Ryan said that it was when he was messaging the journalist about the article.

[Pretty Boy]

Can't find the pictures but I'm sure the that Ryan said that it was when he was messaging the journalist about the article.

He definitely did.

The journo is question was classy enough to share a private conversation publicly on Twitter.

[hibby rae]

He definitely did.

The journo is question was classy enough to share a private conversation publicly on Twitter.

Gary Cassidy? I believe they may have now deleted the tweet.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1446502371907932162

"One of our columnists Gary got a message from Ryan Porteous regarding the article he wrote yesterday about the tackles he has made against Rangers lately."

[Keith_M]

Can't find the pictures but I'm sure the that Ryan said that it was when he was messaging the journalist about the article.


:aok:

[gbhibby]

Interesting comments on the Thread. Blackpool Hibs and me are probably similar in age and probably would be able to handle abuse better than the current generation. The current generation tend to live their lives through social media and is very important to them. There have been cases where abuse on social media have led to people taking their own lives. The keyboard cowards should realise that their actions can have severe consequences.
The people who post stuff like that are from all ends of the social spectrum.
It should not be about ability to handle the bile posted it should not be posted in the first place. It won't stop as there are too many cretins out there who think it is socially acceptable behaviour.

[CMurdoch]

Gary Cassidy? I believe they may have now deleted the tweet.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1446502371907932162

"One of our columnists Gary got a message from Ryan Porteous regarding the article he wrote yesterday about the tackles he has made against Rangers lately."

The article that Ryan daftly responded to isn't that bad. Rangerscentric but not worthy of intervention. Read it for yourselves. Slight editing to remove the pandering to his audience and it would be acceptable to all but Hibs blinded folk. He is no Hugh Mcllvanney but it's fine for what it is.
https://the4thofficial.net/2021/10/agenda-against-rangers-precipitous-porteous-risks-ruining-potential-if-penny-doesnt-drop/

[mcohibs]

How does he know?

Are you asking how RP knows whether something written about him has affected his own mental health?

[Fergus52]

Good on McInnes speaking out today against the abuse Ryan has received.

[blackpoolhibs]

Are you asking how RP knows whether something written about him has affected his own mental health?

I am, was he seen by a mental health specialist? :confused:

[MWHIBBIES]

I am, was he seen by a mental health specialist? :confused:

Of course, the only possible way to know if something is affecting your mental well being.

[blackpoolhibs]

Of course, the only possible way to know if something is affecting your mental well being.

And you know this to be true, or did Ryan just say it?

[MWHIBBIES]

And you know this to be true, or did Ryan just say it?

Yes, Ryan said it was affecting his mental well being. He is better placed than anyone to make that statement. You do not need a professional to tell you if something is causing you a lot of stress, anxiety or feeling of depression.

[Shrekko]

The article that Ryan daftly responded to isn't that bad. Rangerscentric but not worthy of intervention. Read it for yourselves. Slight editing to remove the pandering to his audience and it would be acceptable to all but Hibs blinded folk. He is no Hugh Mcllvanney but it's fine for what it is.
https://the4thofficial.net/2021/10/agenda-against-rangers-precipitous-porteous-risks-ruining-potential-if-penny-doesnt-drop/

I think the problem is he’s trying to be Hugh McIlvanney but his attempted use of big words etc just makes him look like the idiot he is. He could have said what he had to with 80 percent less words and in reality it is just a hatchet job on RP. Apparently he also ‘writes’ about pro wrestling …..

[blackpoolhibs]

Yes, Ryan said it was affecting his mental well being. He is better placed than anyone to make that statement. You do not need a professional to tell you if something is causing you a lot of stress, anxiety or feeling of depression.

Ah right, i get it.

We don't need experts to diagnose mental health problems, we can just self diagnose now.

[MWHIBBIES]

Ah right, i get it.

We don't need experts to diagnose mental health problems, we can just self diagnose now.

Yes. Same as we can self diagnose a cold. Being anxious or stressed isn't really a hard thing to figure out, especially if you've felt that in the past.

Chances are Hibs have or have had a sports phychologist that works with the club. He has likely spoken to all the players in the past, educating them on the subject, helping them spot signs in their own behaviour or feelings.

Mental health isn't something that fits some set of specific symptoms. You can dread a single event, or dread every event for example. Both are mental health problems and things people need help and support to get through. Ryan may never have felt these things before in his life and he may never again, that doesn't change the fact he has found the abuse detrimental to his mental health.

[blackpoolhibs]

Yes. Same as we can self diagnose a cold. Being anxious or stressed isn't really a hard thing to figure out, especially if you've felt that in the past.

Chances are Hibs have or have had a sports phychologist that works with the club. He has likely spoken to all the players in the past, educating them on the subject, helping them spot signs in their own behaviour or feelings.

Mental health isn't something that fits some set of specific symptoms. You can dread a single event, or dread every event for example. Both are mental health problems and things people need help and support to get through. Ryan may never have felt these things before in his life and he may never again, that doesn't change the fact he has found the abuse detrimental to his mental health.

That's a surprise to me, i never knew mental health problems were as easy to diagnose as a cold, it's a wonder we need specialists when we can just make our own minds up over whats wrong with us.

[MWHIBBIES]

That's a surprise to me, i never knew mental health problems were as easy to diagnose as a cold, it's a wonder we need specialists when we can just make our own minds up over whats wrong with us.

Yeah, why would be need specialists to help people through these problems, give them medication etc when we have people like yourself who say ''rise above it'' and solve everything.

[blackpoolhibs]

Yeah, why would be need specialists to help people through these problems, give them medication etc when we have people like yourself who say ''rise above it'' and solve everything.

Football players much better than Ryan have been abused, in fact i've heard our own fans abuse our own players.

Good players rise above it and thrive, i'm pretty sure Ryan is a strong enough personality to do exactly that.
Only you could find a fault in that. :faf:

[MWHIBBIES]

Football players much better than Ryan have been abused, in fact i've heard our own fans abuse our own players.

Good players rise above it and thrive, i'm pretty sure Ryan is a strong enough personality to do exactly that.
Only you could find a fault in that. :faf:

Footballing ability has nothing to do with it. Have you actually heard our own fans telling our players to kill themselves? Did you report them to a steward?

Bad players, good players it does not matter. Far more talented players than Ryan have struggled throughout their careers with mental health issues.

Have you met Ryan? You have no idea of his personality. You are judging his mental state purely on his ability to win a few headers and look tough on the pitch. Robin Williams was a brilliant, funny comedian and actor, he took his own life because of a battle with mental health. No one seen that coming. Gary Speed was a brilliant player, on the face of it a tough battling guy, doing well as Wales manager. He took his own life.

Ryan has already said the abuse he has gotten has affected his mental health. Why do you find that difficult to understand? Ryan may well manage to get through this, he probably will. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist right now, or may not come back later on.

[blackpoolhibs]

Footballing ability has nothing to do with it. Have you actually heard our own fans telling our players to kill themselves? Did you report them to a steward?

Bad players, good players it does not matter. Far more talented players than Ryan have struggled throughout their careers with mental health issues.

Have you met Ryan? You have no idea of his personality. You are judging his mental state purely on his ability to win a few headers and look tough on the pitch. Robin Williams was a brilliant, funny comedian and actor, he took his own life because of a battle with mental health. No one seen that coming. Gary Speed was a brilliant player, on the face of it a tough battling guy, doing well as Wales manager. He took his own life.

Ryan has already said the abuse he has gotten has affected his mental health. Why do you find that difficult to understand?

Wasting my time, you are only seeing what you want to see.

[MWHIBBIES]

Wasting my time, you are only seeing what you want to see.

:bye:

[Smartie]

To answer the original question - is it because he's an enemy of Rangers?

[blackpoolhibs]

:bye:

And you accuse me of trolling. :faf:

[gbhibby]

Ah right, i get it.

We don't need experts to diagnose mental health problems, we can just self diagnose now.
Don't get what you are trying to get at? Mental health issues takes on many forms. It is either noted by others or you feel it is causing you problems which you need to talk to someone about. You don't need specialists to diagnose mental health issues a lot of it comes from self diagnosis and the willingness to communicate it to others.
The problem is when people don't speak of their problems. Suicide in young men is one of the biggest causes of death. A so called trivial comment made at an individual will be water of a ducks back to one individual another individual it will eat away at them.

[flash]

And you accuse me of trolling. :faf:

I don't think you are trolling. I just think you are incredibly ignorant on this subject.

[blackpoolhibs]

Don't get what you are trying to get at? Mental health issues takes on many forms. It is either noted by others or you feel it is causing you problems which you need to talk to someone about. You don't need specialists to diagnose mental health issues a lot of it comes from self diagnosis and the willingness to communicate it to others.
The problem is when people don't speak of their problems. Suicide in young men is one of the biggest causes of death. A so called trivial comment made at an individual will be water of a ducks back to one individual another individual it will eat away at them.

And i agree with most of what you say here, what i dont understand is how you can self diagnose something as serious as this, how do you know, and what do you know without speaking to the experts?

[gbhibby]

And i agree with most of what you say here, what i dont understand is how you can self diagnose something as serious as this, how do you know, and what do you know without speaking to the experts?
The next stage after you communicate your issues is to speak to someone who can help. There is plenty of information on the Web about mental health issues so in effect you need to do some self diagnosis.

[blackpoolhibs]

I don't think you are trolling. I just think you are incredibly ignorant on this subject.

I dont pretend to know all about mental health, like some others do.

[hibby rae]

And i agree with most of what you say here, what i dont understand is how you can self diagnose something as serious as this, how do you know, and what do you know without speaking to the experts?

Believe me, if you have been through it yourself you know. It might not obvious at first, it wasn't to me, I thought it was various things going on in my life. But then I learned they played a part but also masked the underlying issues I was experiencing.

[hibby rae]

Footballing ability has nothing to do with it. Have you actually heard our own fans telling our players to kill themselves? Did you report them to a steward?

Bad players, good players it does not matter. Far more talented players than Ryan have struggled throughout their careers with mental health issues.

Have you met Ryan? You have no idea of his personality. You are judging his mental state purely on his ability to win a few headers and look tough on the pitch. Robin Williams was a brilliant, funny comedian and actor, he took his own life because of a battle with mental health. No one seen that coming. Gary Speed was a brilliant player, on the face of it a tough battling guy, doing well as Wales manager. He took his own life.

Ryan has already said the abuse he has gotten has affected his mental health. Why do you find that difficult to understand? Ryan may well manage to get through this, he probably will. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist right now, or may not come back later on.

Diego Maradona, Paul Merson, Tony Adams, Neil Lennon, James Keatings, Christian Nade, Justin Fashanu.

Just some other players who I can think of off the top of my head.

[WeeRussell]

And i agree with most of what you say here, what i dont understand is how you can self diagnose something as serious as this, how do you know, and what do you know without speaking to the experts?

As serious as what, Blackpool? I’ve not seen the quotes some posters are referring to but I don’t think there’s been any claim as to the seriousness - just that it’s had an effect on him.

I’m not going to get into the specifics of RP or whether or not who thinks what about his mental health… but you don’t need a specialist to diagnose every level of mental health issue.

[CropleyWasGod]

I dont pretend to know all about mental health, like some others do.

You should have a read of the Depression and Anxiety thread. It's one of the best on here.

It goes a long way to supporting the theory that the best expert in your mental health is you.

[mcohibs]

Ah right, i get it.

We don't need experts to diagnose mental health problems, we can just self diagnose now.

In terms of your mental wellbeing, if something is stressing you out, making you feel anxious, worried, sad etc. then of course you know that yourself without expert guidance.

If Porteous has said that the stories in the press, abuse etc has affected him mentally then who are you or I to tell him differently?

It seems to me that your image of mental health is rooted to the more extreme end of the scale that requires diagnosis and/or medical attention. Which would explain your disappointing comments earlier in this thread about 'reaching for the paracetamol' etc. Mental health, like physical health, is a sliding scale of severity.

If you tear a muscle, you'll know there's something wrong. An expert will be able to tell you more about your injury and how to treat it but you don't need them to tell you that you're hurt.

[blackpoolhibs]

In terms of your mental wellbeing, if something is stressing you out, making you feel anxious, worried, sad etc. then of course you know that yourself without expert guidance.

If Porteous has said that the stories in the press, abuse etc has affected him mentally then who are you or I to tell him differently?

It seems to me that your image of mental health is rooted to the more extreme end of the scale that requires diagnosis and/or medical attention. Which would explain your disappointing comments earlier in this thread about 'reaching for the paracetamol' etc. Mental health, like physical health, is a sliding scale of severity.

If you tear a muscle, you'll know there's something wrong. An expert will be able to tell you more about your injury and how to treat it but you don't need them to tell you that you're hurt.

I'm not here to tell Ryan anything, and i dont know how bad he felt after receiving these messages. Not once have i questioned his sincerity, what i am questioning is this new phenomenon that anything bad that someone has happens to them is instantly matched to their mental health.

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm not here to tell Ryan anything, and i dont know how bad he felt after receiving these messages. Not once have i questioned his sincerity, what i am questioning is this new phenomenon that anything bad that someone has happens to them is instantly matched to their mental health.

I'm not sure about "phenomenon", but an increased awareness of mental health, and the way in which words and actions can affect that, has to be a good thing, no?

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm not sure about "phenomenon", but an increased awareness of mental health, and the way in which words and actions can affect that, has to be a good thing, no?

Of course, but i watched the news a week or so ago down here, and someone actually said his mental health was suffering because he couldn't get something he wanted from the supermarket.

Things like this do nothing for those who ARE suffering.

[CropleyWasGod]

Of course, but i watched the news a week or so ago down here, and someone actually said his mental health was suffering because he couldn't get something he wanted from the supermarket.

Things like this do nothing for those who ARE suffering.

I don't know the particular story, but anxiety can take many forms. Was that person on the spectrum? Were they prone to anxiety? Was that particular item important to their routine of dealing with their issues?

Opening up that kind of debate does a lot for those who are suffering.

I'm guessing that you are lucky enough not to have been unduly affected (at least knowingly). Like I say, though, have a read of the D&A thread, to get an idea of the extent and type of people's struggles.

[blackpoolhibs]

I don't know the particular story, but anxiety can take many forms. Was that person on the spectrum? Were they prone to anxiety? Was that particular item important to their routine of dealing with their issues?

Opening up that kind of debate does a lot for those who are suffering.

I'm guessing that you are lucky enough not to have been unduly affected (at least knowingly). Like I say, though, have a read of the D&A thread, to get an idea of the extent and type of people's struggles.

Will do. :aok:

[MWHIBBIES]

I'm not here to tell Ryan anything, and i dont know how bad he felt after receiving these messages. Not once have i questioned his sincerity, what i am questioning is this new phenomenon that anything bad that someone has happens to them is instantly matched to their mental health.

Getting messages with homophobic abuse, sectarian abuse and getting told to kill yourself is not just the average ''bad thing'' happening to someone. Its hardly missing the bus or stubbing your toe.

[WhileTheChief..]

Of course, but i watched the news a week or so ago down here, and someone actually said his mental health was suffering because he couldn't get something he wanted from the supermarket.

Things like this do nothing for those who ARE suffering.

I agree wholeheartedly with this.

Whats wrong with just saying you’re having a crap day or a bit stressed. If we’re calling that a mental health issue then we all suffer, daily.

It totally cheapens people that are actually suffering.

During lockdown I heard of folk needing a haircut, or going to a comedy club, or not getting to go on a cruise - all of these things affecting their mental health.

That’s just total BS and insulting. It’s a go to excuse for so many things now and no one is allowed to even dare question it.

None of this is to do with RP or to question him btw.

Yes it’s good to be able to talk about mental health as an issue, but not every bad little thing in life or minor inconvenience has to be put down to it.

[Rumble de Thump]

With physical health it's not the case that people are either totally fine or have terminal cancer. There's a sliding scale of health and various health issues in between. The same is true of mental health. Being aware of that and acknowledging it won't be an insult to anyone. It will actually help people.