Malky Mackay & the Dundee United/Ross County game

[Northernhibee]

Dundee United claim that their player Fuchs received racist abuse from the crowd in their game. Tam Courts at the end of the game held up a "show racism the red card" t-shirt to the Ross County support.

In the post match interview, Mackay said the following:


"I thought it was interesting in terms of his stance, in terms of where the t-shirt came from, so it wasn't spur of the moment. As far as I'm led to believe, there were a number of Dundee United stewards sitting there and what they heard was a swear word and nothing more."


I think it's fair to say it's a case of innocent until proven guilty, but that first sentence is an absolute shocker. Especially from someone with his history. When it's something as emotive as alleged racism you're best not commenting and giving it the "a full investigation will take place and we'll happily assist".

Keen to find out what others on here think but he comes across as a really unlikeable character.

[Onceinawhile]

Just say, "I'm not aware of a racist comment, but if one was said, then that's wrong and I stand against it."

Making it out that a manager supporting an anti racism campaign is a bad thing is some going from mackay.

[Smartie]

You'd have thought that of all people MacKay would tread very carefully around this subject.

[Del Boy]

Horrible ****. Thought it was great to see Tam Courts support his player and display the anti racism message at full time, then Mackay comes out and has a go at him for it! Hope his *****y team get relegated.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

If Mackay says it wasn't a racist comment, that would be in his opinion.

[Hiber-nation]

You'd have thought that of all people MacKay would tread very carefully around this subject.

Yep, couldn't quite believe it, right on the defensive. Whether it was misheard or not Mackay's comments were arrogant and pretty stupid.

[CentreLine]

Horrible ****. Thought it was great to see Tam Courts support his player and display the anti racism message at full time, then Mackay comes out and has a go at him for it! Hope his *****y team get relegated.

If it wasn’t for Livi and wanting we’ll rid of their plastic pitch I’d agree with all of that.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Seems to be a right bellend.

[Sergio sledge]

Just say, "I'm not aware of a racist comment, but if one was said, then that's wrong and I stand against it."

Making it out that a manager supporting an anti racism campaign is a bad thing is some going from mackay.Yup, he's a horrible character who should never have been employed by Ross County.

How can you be against someone displaying that t-shirt?

[Nicho87]

To come out and deny in public even if you think the accusation is a lot of bull or not is crazy.

Dalglish did it with Liverpool for Suarez and he was wrong

Mackay with history is a total dud and quite honestly stupid.

Ross county - get rid

[stoneyburn hibs]

If Mackay says it wasn't a racist comment, that would be in his opinion.

Well obviously, and it wasn't if you agree with his opinion.
I agree with his opinion, yes he could have worded it better.
It's Malky Mackay so everyone jumps on it because of his history.
Lazy,predictable and pretty pathetic.

[hibby rae]

If it wasn’t for Livi and wanting we’ll rid of their plastic pitch I’d agree with all of that.

I'm hoping one goes down via the play-offs too!

[matty_f]

That’s astonishing from Mackay and you really have to question if he’s learned anything from his past.

[silverhibee]

You'd have thought that of all people MacKay would tread very carefully around this subject.

Not really, it seemingly oozes from him, just can’t help himself.

[hibby rae]

Oldfirmfacts (@Oldfirmfacts1) Tweeted: “All I’ll say is this club stands firmly against racism. Now, does anyone have a question for our manager Malky McKay?” https://t.co/jWp8YiahPk https://twitter.com/Oldfirmfacts1/status/1444350171094134790?s=20

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Dundee United claim that their player Fuchs received racist abuse from the crowd in their game. Tam Courts at the end of the game held up a "show racism the red card" t-shirt to the Ross County support.

In the post match interview, Mackay said the following:

"I thought it was interesting in terms of his stance, in terms of where the t-shirt came from, so it wasn't spur of the moment. As far as I'm led to believe, there were a number of Dundee United stewards sitting there and what they heard was a swear word and nothing more."

I think it's fair to say it's a case of innocent until proven guilty, but that first sentence is an absolute shocker. Especially from someone with his history. When it's something as emotive as alleged racism you're best not commenting and giving it the "a full investigation will take place and we'll happily assist".

Keen to find out what others on here think but he comes across as a really unlikeable character.

Not really that big a surprise a club would have a show racism the red card t-shirt somewhere in the stadium. Maybe Malky Mackay wouldn't have them anywhere near his stadium but pretty much every other club would have had some promotional event on highlighting the issues at some time or other so it wouldn't be uncommon to have some extra t-shirts kicking around.

[Onceinawhile]

Well obviously, and it wasn't if you agree with his opinion.
I agree with his opinion, yes he could have worded it better.
It's Malky Mackay so everyone jumps on it because of his history.
Lazy,predictable and pretty pathetic.

What was it that was said?

[hibsbollah]

Mackay is an embarrassment.

[Jones28]

He is a total plumb. It’s an absolute disgrace that he was given a job in the Scotland set up and then went on the manage a top flight club.

[Brightside]

I said it when he was appointed. The man is a clown and no matter how many courses you go on he won’t clean up his inherent attitudes. The fact that the SFA put him in charge of Performance was bad enough but you expect it from the old school blazers.

[Brightside]

Well obviously, and it wasn't if you agree with his opinion.
I agree with his opinion, yes he could have worded it better.
It's Malky Mackay so everyone jumps on it because of his history.
Lazy,predictable and pretty pathetic.

He’s a racist. Yes that is pretty pathetic.

[Eyrie]

Well obviously, and it wasn't if you agree with his opinion.
I agree with his opinion, yes he could have worded it better.
It's Malky Mackay so everyone jumps on it because of his history.
Lazy,predictable and pretty pathetic.

With Mackay's history, it's difficult to know if there is anything that would be unacceptable in his opinion.

And if you look at his history, he took a course on diversity and equality after his texts came to light. That should make him very aware that this is an important matter, so he has to be careful what to say and how to say it. Did he actually learn anything on the course, or was it just a token gesture on his part?

Neither of us know what was said by the fan, so neither of us is in any position to agree or disagree with either Courts or Mackay, but surely we can agree that the appropriate response is that it's important to investigate what happened?

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Well obviously, and it wasn't if you agree with his opinion.
I agree with his opinion, yes he could have worded it better.
It's Malky Mackay so everyone jumps on it because of his history.
Lazy,predictable and pretty pathetic.

You seem to be in the minority by running to his defence, but that's your right to do so. Not sure that your last sentence has any real substance in a grown up context but it's also your right to deem that appropriate.

[gbhibby]

Crass comments from Mackay. Clearly the player heard the comment. Clubs have many boxes of these t shirts.
Would love other home managers to have t shirts with show Bigotry the red card and show these to the uglies when their fans spout their bile at their stadiums.

[bigwheel]

If he is in any doubt he should have had much more empathy about the issue …Even if he is not , if the players felt he was racially abused he should again have been very respectful of their view

Even if he knows the truth, and it was not a racist comment, he could have handled the response with much more balance …

He’s not coming out of this well ..whether he is right or wrong ….

[Hibbyradge]

I abhor racism and intolerance and it should be called out whenever it surfaces.

However, Mackay hasn't said anything racist and he's not defending racist comments. He's saying that his club's fan's have been stitched up and blamed for something they didn't do.

If Hibs fans were falsely accused of racist shouts, we'd expect the club to defend us, or at least question, the allegation before condemning us.

Even saying that the matter will be investigated would be tantamount to confirmation that it happened.

Mackay, no doubt, previously earned his racist credentials, but it seems a bit unfair to criticise him this time.

[Brightside]

I abhor racism and intolerance and it should be called out whenever it surfaces.

However, Mackay hasn't said anything racist and he's not defending racist comments. He's saying that his club's fan's have been stitched up and blamed for something they didn't do.

If Hibs fans were falsely accused of racist shouts, we'd expect the club to defend us, or at least question, the allegation before condemning us.

Even saying that the matter will be investigated would be tantamount to confirmation that it happened.

Mackay, no doubt, previously earned his racist credentials, but it seems a bit unfair to criticise him this time.

He commented on how Utd managed to find that T-shirt. Well they are easy to find at most clubs. Prob not at Ross County mind you. His first thought should be about the investigation and not about where the T-shirt came from.

[Since452]

I don't think Malky is the sharpest

[Hibbyradge]

He commented on how Utd managed to find that T-shirt. Well they are easy to find at most clubs. Prob not at Ross County mind you. His first thought should be about the investigation and not about where the T-shirt came from.

I've no idea how easy the t-shirts are to find. He obviously thinks that they're not usually to hand.

Would an away routinely team pack anti-racism shirts? Do Hibs? :dunno:

I feel a bit uncomfortable suggesting that he may not have done anything wrong, it would be much easier, and safer, just to decry his comments, but on this occasion, I think he's entitled to the benefit of the doubt..

[Smartie]

I've no idea how easy the t-shirts are to find. He obviously thinks that they're not usually to hand.

Would an away routinely team pack anti-racism shirts? Do Hibs? :dunno:

I feel a bit uncomfortable suggesting that he may not have done anything wrong, it would be much easier, and safer, just to decry his comments, but on this occasion, I think he's entitled to the benefit of the doubt..

Was the game not at Tannadice?

All it would have taken would have been for Fuchs to mention it at half time and for the manager to ask someone if they had any of those t-shirts or similar kicking about anywhere as he wanted to make a point at full time.

I think Fuchs and Courts have done brilliantly here. Fuchs hasn't just tolerated it and his manager has made an immediate gesture of support.

Now we're talking about it. Again.

MacKay could have made any sort of point that would have been better than the one he did make - like "racism of any sort will not be tolerated and we will co-operate fully with any investigation." He could even, at that point, have made the point that his club are not known for that sort of thing and that he would hope it would turn out to be some sort of misunderstanding.

With his history, going on the defensive before anyone knows anything really isn't wise.

[hibby rae]

With Mackay's history, it's difficult to know if there is anything that would be unacceptable in his opinion.

And if you look at his history, he took a course on diversity and equality after his texts came to light. That should make him very aware that this is an important matter, so he has to be careful what to say and how to say it. Did he actually learn anything on the course, or was it just a token gesture on his part?

Neither of us know what was said by the fan, so neither of us is in any position to agree or disagree with either Courts or Mackay, but surely we can agree that the appropriate response is that it's important to investigate what happened?

He also hasn't shown any contrition for his previous behaviour. It was a total non-apology.

I remember him citing that course 'I probably know more about it than most now so let's just leave it' was his attitude. Except most of us don't need a course to know what he said, on several occasions, was vile.

[Keith_M]

I'm not sure this has been handled well by either side, TBH.


If Mackay really did speak to a steward, and the steward said it was a swear word but not a racist comment, then he'd have been better just keeping his mouth shut and passing on the steward's name to his bosses.

I'm also not really sure what benefit it was to hold up an anti-racism T-shirt to the County support, as it comes over (to me, at least) that you're tarring the whole support as being involved in any racist incident.

However, that's more of a heat-of-the-moment thing, and maybe emotions just got the better of him. Unlike Mackay, who given his history, should have kept well out of this.

[Eyrie]

I abhor racism and intolerance and it should be called out whenever it surfaces.

However, Mackay hasn't said anything racist and he's not defending racist comments. He's saying that his club's fan's have been stitched up and blamed for something they didn't do.

If Hibs fans were falsely accused of racist shouts, we'd expect the club to defend us, or at least question, the allegation before condemning us.

Even saying that the matter will be investigated would be tantamount to confirmation that it happened.

Mackay, no doubt, previously earned his racist credentials, but it seems a bit unfair to criticise him this time.

If he's saying that the Ross County fans are being "blamed for something they didn't do" then he's denying it.

The correct response would be to say that racism is unacceptable, he would be shocked if one of his team's fans had made such a comment, and it is important to have a thorough investigation to establish what happened.

[Shrekko]

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I'm also not really sure what benefit it was to hold up an anti-racism T-shirt to the County support, as it comes over (to me, at least) that you're tarring the whole support as being involved in any racist incident.



Totally agree with this and it’s a dangerous game we’re starting to play now.

I remember feeling aggrieved when ‘Hibs fans’ were being piled in on after one old guy allegedly got captured on camera giving a black Hearts player abuse.

The English media seem to be looking to tar whole countries with one brush at the moment when they go abroad with the England football team. I don’t see how this helps.

Racism is and always has been about individuals and how they’re brought up. I’m going to guess that there are as many racists in the Dundee Utd support (probably very few) as there are in the Ross County support.

If I had some guy waving an anti racism banner at me because of the actions of a fellow fan I’d be more than hacked off.

[G15 Hibs]

I'm also not really sure what benefit it was to hold up an anti-racism T-shirt to the County support, as it comes over (to me, at least) that you're tarring the whole support as being involved in any racist incident.

However, that's more of a heat-of-the-moment thing, and maybe emotions just got the better of him. Unlike Mackay, who given his history, should have kept well out of this.

I can't claim to know exactly what Courts meant, but from the message on the t-shirt and the way he went about it, it looked to me like he was trying to get the message across that it's up to fans to call out racism amongst their fellow supporters. Which he would be right about. He's certainly grown in my estimation thanks to his actions yesterday.

On the other hand Mackay has shown has shown that's he's learned **** all and seems quite content with that.

[hibby rae]

Totally agree with this and it’s a dangerous game we’re starting to play now.

I remember feeling aggrieved when ‘Hibs fans’ were being piled in on after one old guy allegedly got captured on camera giving a black Hearts player abuse.

The English media seem to be looking to tar whole countries with one brush at the moment when they go abroad with the England football team. I don’t see how this helps.

Racism is and always has been about individuals and how they’re brought up. I’m going to guess that there are as many racists in the Dundee Utd support (probably very few) as there are in the Ross County support.

If I had some guy waving an anti racism banner at me because of the actions of a fellow fan I’d be more than hacked off.

I'd be hacked off at the fellow fan in the stand, not the guy calling him, and/or other fans if they heard and did nothing, out for it.

[King Cosell]

I can't claim to know exactly what Courts meant, but from the message on the t-shirt and the way he went about it, it looked to me like he was trying to get the message across that it's up to fans to call out racism amongst their fellow supporters. Which he would be right about. He's certainly grown in my estimation thanks to his actions yesterday.

On the other hand Mackay has shown has shown that's he's learned **** all and seems quite content with that.

After both sets of officials had agreed there was no racism, Courts made a complete tit of himself. He should apologise to Ross County's supporters.

[Shrekko]

I'd be hacked off at the fellow fan in the stand, not the guy calling him, and/or other fans if they heard and did nothing, out for it.

What about the fans that literally didn’t hear anything and had not a clue what was going on?

Maybe some of the RC fans actually had done something?

Obviously any decent person is hacked off at racism but him waving that t-shirt at their full support with an accusing look just wasn’t the right way to deal with it. Why should the spotlight be put on a couple of hundred people because of the alleged actions of 1?

[Glory Lurker]

I wouldn't have an issue with a random holding up an anti-racism t-shirt at me as I was bringing home the messages. It only upsets you if you are one.

[Shrekko]

I wouldn't have an issue with a random holding up an anti-racism t-shirt at me as I was bringing home the messages. It only upsets you if you are one.

Only a matter of time 🙄

Listen pal - there is nobody more anti racist than I am … hence the reason I don’t need somebody waving a t-shirt in my face telling me not to be racist.

The Utd manager had good intent but it’s poor that you can’t make a comment on whether he took the right course of action without somebody implying you must be racist if you don’t think he did.

[EI255]

I don't think Ross County are doing themselves any favours here. They seem intent on denying the racial abuse dished out by one of their fans. Dundee United and their player appear utterly convinced about the incident. This isn't the first time either that Ross County have had the finger pointed at them for racist abuse either. I used to travel to the Highlands and I know there are a good few knuckle draggers up there. They are definitely not immune to this, whether they like it or not.

They'd be better accepting the report passed to the police and working with them to identify and rid themselves of this evil.

The more they deny, the more they will lose the plaudits.



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