Beaton

[at last 61]

How the hell does Beaton still get to referee hibs games, some of his refereeing against us is staggering and at it again today

[weecounty hibby]

How the hell does Beaton still get to referee hibs games, some of his refereeing against us is staggering and at it again today
****ing joke of a ref. Hun season ticket holder and a cheat

[Since452]

****ing joke of a ref. Hun season ticket holder and a cheat

Is he? Surely that's a conflict of interests?

[Callum_62]

Top ref.

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[bod]

I watched the game through st J tv & they were moaning about him as well 😆

[kaimendhibs]

I watched the game through st J tv & they were moaning about him as well 😆


so did I, the seethe was very satisfying 😌 👌

[vercol36]

Good Hibs man, that Beaton

[Pretty Boy]

Just walked into Tamsons and said 'that one was for Hampden lads'.

Hibs through and through.

[Bostonhibby]

Just walked into Tamsons and said 'that one was for Hampden lads'.

Hibs through and through.Did he show you his Erin Go Bragh tattoo?

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[bingo70]

Was it not a penalty then?

I assume it hit the boys hand, not sure he could have done much about it though?

[franck sauzee]

He was absolutely awful, didn't think any of our 3 penalty shouts were actually penalties but to penalise Nisbet when he was away was a joke and also Efe took Boyle clean out the game

[franck sauzee]

Was it not a penalty then?

I assume it hit the boys hand, not sure he could have done much about it though?

Hit his hand but it was fired at him from 2 yards away and he had his hand tucked into his body. We'd have been fuming if it had been given against us

[evy]

Hit his hand but it was fired at him from 2 yards away and he had his hand tucked into his body. We'd have been fuming if it had been given against us

It hit his forearm which was away from his body, with his upper arm tucked in. Pen in today's football world, however harsh it is.

[Libby Hibby]

Awful ref, he’s either inept or he’s cheating

[SChibs]

From the far end of the East I thought it smacked the defender in the face however the way people reacted I figured it must have hit his arm. If the shot is on target its a pen in todays game however it seemed harsh

[Onceinawhile]

From the far end of the East I thought it smacked the defender in the face however the way people reacted I figured it must have hit his arm. If the shot is on target its a pen in todays game however it seemed harsh

I'm not convinced. Was in by his side and fired at him from pretty close.

[Sir David Gray]

I'm not convinced. Was in by his side and fired at him from pretty close.

Even better.

[Northernhibee]

Considering we should have had at least one penalty in the first half St Johnstone can't have any complaints.

And if they do, then **** them.

[SChibs]

Considering we should have had at least one penalty in the first half St Johnstone can't have any complaints.

And if they do, then **** them.

When was the penalty appeal in the first half? Can only remember McCarts good tackle and I think Clark got a touch on the ball when we dives at the feet of Nesbit

[hibby rae]

From the far end of the East I thought it smacked the defender in the face however the way people reacted I figured it must have hit his arm. If the shot is on target its a pen in todays game however it seemed harsh

Is the rule now not if it stops a goal bound shout it is a pen, irregardless of intent etc? Which I'm fine with.

The booking was maybe harsh but then getting a second was silly of McCart.

[Torto7]

It's strange as I have no doubt he's as staunch as staunch comes but I've never thought he was biased. He just seems to ignore fouls that are blatant then gives ones that are questionable.

[Skol]

I thought he was very inconsistent with decisions going for and against both teams. Some obvious howlers

[Mikey_1875]

Bizarre performance and seemed to have a 5 second delay before making any decisions. Delighted to get the pen though and at least he clamped down on the constant dissent from the St J players.

[Keith_M]

Question: When is a penalty not a penalty?

Answer: When it's awarded to the opposition.

[Eyrie]

When was the penalty appeal in the first half? Can only remember McCarts good tackle and I think Clark got a touch on the ball when we dives at the feet of Nesbit

Both were in front of me and I agree that McCart got the ball, but it certainly looked like Nisbet touched the ball before being brought down by Clark. For obvious reasons there wasn't a replay on the big screen.

Maybe someone watching on Alba will be able to clarify what happened?

[007]

It hit his forearm which was away from his body, with his upper arm tucked in. Pen in today's football world, however harsh it is.

That's what I thought, possibly a correct decision under today's rules. Might be harsh but if his arm was slightly out (i.e. making his body artificially bigger) and the ball hit it, then it's a penalty. It doesn't matter if the shot was from point blank range and there was nothing he could do about it. Ball played man / accidental doesn't come into it any more, he stopped a shot with his arm so if it was out from his body a little then it's a penalty. Don't particularly like the change to the rule but that's what it is.

Would like to see it again to see the arm's position.

[hibby rae]

Both were in front of me and I agree that McCart got the ball, but it certainly looked like Nisbet touched the ball before being brought down by Clark. For obvious reasons there wasn't a replay on the big screen.

Maybe someone watching on Alba will be able to clarify what happened?

Not sure why they don't do replays on screens, but pretty sure they don't at Hampden either.

[007]

Both were in front of me and I agree that McCart got the ball, but it certainly looked like Nisbet touched the ball before being brought down by Clark. For obvious reasons there wasn't a replay on the big screen.

Maybe someone watching on Alba will be able to clarify what happened?

Good shout. Will tune in to Alba in 10mins to watch it again.

[hibbysam]

When was the penalty appeal in the first half? Can only remember McCarts good tackle and I think Clark got a touch on the ball when we dives at the feet of Nesbit

Scott Allan going into the box, boy clearly stands on his foot and takes him out, no idea who said player was.

[matty_f]

He was ****ing dreadful today. Abysmal refereeing performance.

[plhibs]

Both were in front of me and I agree that McCart got the ball, but it certainly looked like Nisbet touched the ball before being brought down by Clark. For obvious reasons there wasn't a replay on the big screen.

Maybe someone watching on Alba will be able to clarify what happened?

I saw the replay and Clark missed the ball and took Nisbets foot.

[Irish_Steve]

It was right in front of me in the FFU and I never thought it was a penalty. In fact, I had time to see the ball strike the Saints player, see the Hibs players appealed and look across to see Beaton still in a crouching position before blowing - it took seconds, surely you know straight away if it's handball

[007]

Watched the replay and his arm is up slightly and it hits it stopping the shot which by current rules, I believe, is a penalty. Harsh though it is.

[bingo70]

Watched the replay and his arm is up slightly and it hits it stopping the shot which by current rules, I believe, is a penalty. Harsh though it is.

Was McCarts first booking for dissent after the penalty decision as well?

[Lancs Harp]

It was right in front of me in the FFU and I never thought it was a penalty. In fact, I had time to see the ball strike the Saints player, see the Hibs players appealed and look across to see Beaton still in a crouching position before blowing - it took seconds, surely you know straight away if it's handball

In the FF too and my initial thought was it wasnt a penalty. Not seen it back yet. Im taking it tho 😄

[007]

Was McCarts first booking for dissent after the penalty decision as well?

Might have been for the hand ball but looked more like it was for what he said to the ref. He was saying it hit his elbow (strange argument because that counts as hand ball) and then pointing towards the ref and saying something. Yellow was probably deserved for that but the 2nd was a bit harsh. I didn't know sarcastic clapping was a bookable offence.

[Irish_Steve]

In the FF too and my initial thought was it wasnt a penalty. Not seen it back yet. Im taking it tho 😄

Put it like this, you would have been livid if that was given against you, Nisbet's up at the other end of the ground looked a clearer penalty!

[Peevemor]

For me it was a penalty.

In any case, we had 3 penalty claims - all softish but valid, therefore we deserved the one we got if you add them up.

Works for me anyway.

[Pretty Boy]

Might have been for the hand ball but looked more like it was for what he said to the ref. He was saying it hit his elbow and then pointing towards the ref and saying something. Yellow was probably deserved for that but the 2nd was a bit harsh. I didn't know sarcastic clapping was a bookable offence.

I think the 2nd booking was well deserved, it is ultimately dissent.

It does highlight inconsistency though because it came about 5 minutes after Cadden had been right in the linesmans face for not flagging for a foul (which it should have been), shouted at Beaton then going back for a 2nd go at the linesman. He wasn't booked.

I'll take they decisions all day when they are in our favour but no wonder managers, players and fans get frustrated.

[Ryan91]

Hits McCart's elbow, but his other arm's out-stretched, Beaton perhaps sees the right arm sticking out and a ball bouncing off McCart, assumes it's hit the right arm, and awards the penalty.

Harsh, but given that we probably could have had two in the 1st Half, let's just say that these things even themselves out.

[southern hibby]

It was right in front of me in the FFU and I never thought it was a penalty. In fact, I had time to see the ball strike the Saints player, see the Hibs players appealed and look across to see Beaton still in a crouching position before blowing - it took seconds, surely you know straight away if it's handball

I thought that he waited because he was listening to the linesman talking to him, through his earpiece. Still think it was the linesman who gave the penalty and not him.

GGTTH

[Conj]

Hits McCart's elbow, but his other arm's out-stretched, Beaton perhaps sees the right arm sticking out and a ball bouncing off McCart, assumes it's hit the right arm, and awards the penalty.

Harsh, but given that we probably could have had two in the 1st Half, let's just say that these things even themselves out.

That is my take on it too, his right arm is out, ball hits his left arm but ref thinks it has hit his right

[aljo7-0]

Might have been for the hand ball but looked more like it was for what he said to the ref. He was saying it hit his elbow (strange argument because that counts as hand ball) and then pointing towards the ref and saying something. Yellow was probably deserved for that but the 2nd was a bit harsh. I didn't know sarcastic clapping was a bookable offence.
Pretty sure I remember Alan Sneddon getting sent off for a second yellow at Pittodrie for exactly the same - sarcastically applauding a linesman. 1984 or 85

[WhileTheChief..]

I think the 2nd booking was well deserved, it is ultimately dissent.

It does highlight inconsistency though because it came about 5 minutes after Cadden had been right in the linesmans face for not flagging for a foul (which it should have been), shouted at Beaton then going back for a 2nd go at the linesman. He wasn't booked.

I'll take they decisions all day when they are in our favour but no wonder managers, players and fans get frustrated.

When Cadden did get booked, my view was that the ref did it ‘cause he had just sent the St j player off for the same thing. Might not agree with it but it was consistent.

Penalty was a stonewaller for me, that was going straight in the net if he wasn’t in the way.

[JohnM1875]

How the hell does Beaton still get to referee hibs games, some of his refereeing against us is staggering and at it again today

I honestly don't buy into the 'refs are against Hibs' thing normally. But some of those decisions today were baffling!

Also seems like he'd 100% bought onto the 'Boyle is a diver' chat. Cause Boyle got fouled numerous times today but got nothing.

Saying that, from my seats that's never a penalty to us.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Hits McCart's elbow, but his other arm's out-stretched, Beaton perhaps sees the right arm sticking out and a ball bouncing off McCart, assumes it's hit the right arm, and awards the penalty.

Harsh, but given that we probably could have had two in the 1st Half, let's just say that these things even themselves out.

Agreed - just watched Sportscene and was also my take on it.

[Hibernian Verse]

When Cadden did get booked, my view was that the ref did it ‘cause he had just sent the St j player off for the same thing. Might not agree with it but it was consistent.

Penalty was a stonewaller for me, that was going straight in the net if he wasn’t in the way.

That tends to be the defenders job.

It was never a pen, but we take it.

[007]

That tends to be the defenders job.

It was never a pen, but we take it.

Not with his arm though, that's the keeper's job.

[JohnM1875]

The second yellow for McCart is unbelievably harsh as well! Take both the penalty and booking decisions though.

[SerenityGreen]

I wasn't at the game today and just watched the whole game on alba. I know it can be different at the game compared to tv by I thought (and I may be in a minority here) Beaton was ok. In my opinion, Ambrose on Boyle wasn't a foul. Nisbet, never a pen and played for it. Keeper pulled his arms back. In today's game the pen we got is a pen. So all correct for me. opinions eh!

[JohnM1875]

I wasn't at the game today and just watched the whole game on alba. I know it can be different at the game compared to tv by I thought (and I may be in a minority here) Beaton was ok. In my opinion, Ambrose on Boyle wasn't a foul. Nisbet, never a pen and played for it. Keeper pulled his arms back. In today's game the pen we got is a pen. So all correct for me. opinions eh!

It's never ever a pen. McCart is a few yards away and the ball is blasted at him. An arm he has close to his body.

[WhileTheChief..]

Not with his arm though, that's the keeper's job.

:top marks:greengrin

[JimBHibees]

I saw the replay and Clark missed the ball and took Nisbets foot.

Personally thought Clark got his hand to the ball

[JohnM1875]

Personally thought Clark got his hand to the ball

Think so too. also not sure he even touched Nisbet. Just goes to show, I was sure it was a pen at the time viewing from west upper. Th one on Allan should have been a penalty though.

[Danderhall Hibs]

The second yellow for McCart is unbelievably harsh as well! Take both the penalty and booking decisions though.

It’s the rules though - it’s blatant disrespect.

[JohnM1875]

It’s the rules though - it’s blatant disrespect.

It is. Stupid wee clap etc. And I suppose you wouldn't really argue if he wasn't already on a yellow then received a first booking for that. So Beaton is probably right in that it's a second yellow card offence.

[Danderhall Hibs]

It is. Stupid wee clap etc. And I suppose you wouldn't really argue if he wasn't already on a yellow then received a first booking for that. So Beaton is probably right in that it's a second yellow card offence.

He also booked JDH (?) for kicking the ball away so he was consistent.

[IncredibleHibee]

****ing joke of a ref. Hun season ticket holder and a cheat

😂😂😂😂 he refs games every weekend. Of course he’s not a season ticket holder

[007]

It is. Stupid wee clap etc. And I suppose you wouldn't really argue if he wasn't already on a yellow then received a first booking for that. So Beaton is probably right in that it's a second yellow card offence.

What makes me laugh though is how he had no hesitation giving a 2nd yellow for it but if McCart had done a bad tackle deserving of a yellow, Beaton would probably have bottled it and kept his cards in his pocket.

[JohnM1875]

What makes me laugh though is how he had no hesitation giving a 2nd yellow for it but if McCart had done a bad tackle deserving of a yellow, Beaton would probably have bottled it and kept his cards in his pocket.

Definitely. I honestly think it's so harsh and you very rarely see a sending off like that. Typical Beaton though, probably wants to be the discussion point and have all eyes on him.

[Irish_Steve]

Definitely. I honestly think it's so harsh and you very rarely see a sending off like that. Typical Beaton though, probably wants to be the discussion point and have all eyes on him.

Point is tho he wasn't sent off for the clap - he just received a yellow for it. However, having already received a yellow, he was sent packing

[Northernhibee]

Point is tho he wasn't sent off for the clap - he just received a yellow for it. However, having already received a yellow, he was sent packing

It’s a booking, and when you’re already on a yellow it’s stupidity to do that.

It’s like kicking the ball away. Harsh to be sent off for it but you know it’s a booking every day of the week.

[bingo70]

I don’t think the second yellow was harsh in the slightest, it was unbelievably stupid from a player already on a booking.

You’re never not going to get booked for sarcastically clapping a decision the way he did.

Wasn’t a penalty though I don’t think.

[mcohibs]

****ing joke of a ref. Hun season ticket holder and a cheat

Think you're confusing him with Bobby Madden. Rumours that he was a rangers ST holder before his refereeing days. Most likely nonsense of course

[Eyrie]

Think you're confusing him with Bobby Madden. Rumours that he was a rangers ST holder before his refereeing days. Most likely nonsense of course

Madden is usually a decent referee, unlike Beaton.

I think the first time I heard the season ticket comment about Beaton was when he sent Handling off at Ibrox.

[Callum_62]

Now I've watched spoetscene it's an even more baffling penalty

I think the ball would have hit mccarts body if his arm wasn't across it

I reckon Beaton incorrectly think it strikes his outstretched right arm instead

Not too dissimilar to the penalty killie got against us at rugby park when lennon lost the plot

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[lyonhibs]

I'm not convinced. Was in by his side and fired at him from pretty close.

Never a penalty, not in 1 trillion light years. Will take it though.

[TheCabbage]

Think you're confusing him with Bobby Madden. Rumours that he was a rangers ST holder before his refereeing days. Most likely nonsense of course

All Maddens family are Rangers supporters as is he

[Green Man]

The penalty which we got happened right in front of me, his arms were up but in front of his body, it was a close range shot which would have hit his chest if his arm wasn’t there. With the penalty rule as it is now, it’s so hard for players to know what to do with their arms.

On the whole, Beaton managed to upset both sets of fans, so it’s probably a good day at the office in his eyes.

[WhileTheChief..]

The penalty which we got happened right in front of me, his arms were up but in front of his body, it was a close range shot which would have hit his chest if his arm wasn’t there. With the penalty rule as it is now, it’s so hard for players to know what to do with their arms.

On the whole, Beaton managed to upset both sets of fans, so it’s probably a good day at the office in his eyes.

He should have let the ball hit his body then and got his arm out of the way. He knew exactly what he was doing and the ref got it spot on.

[bigwheel]

He should have let the ball hit his body then and got his arm out of the way. He knew exactly what he was doing and the ref got it spot on.

You could well be right. Here is recent clarification of the laws around handball ..

“
Following this clarification, it is a handball offence if a player:

deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball;
touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised; or
scores in the opponents’ goal:
directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper; or
immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental.
Accidental handball that leads to a team-mate scoring a goal or having a goal-scoring opportunity will no longer be considered an offence.”

[BSEJVT]

One of the most baffling refereeing performances for some time

Seemed totally oblivious to what was going on half the time and later on allowed the players (mostly Hibs) to referee the game for him after originally missing incidents and thenn reacting to protests / shouts

Terrible terrible performance

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

It wasn't a penalty looking back on slow-mo replays but I can see why it was given in real time.

We've had these handball rules go against us as well and the media never kicked up a fuss then. The one against McGinn v Celtic and the one against Porteous v Killie and he Huns at home when we should have had a pen.

[SerenityGreen]

I think it is the way things are nowadays, any handball contact is going to be claimed by players and any handball contact in the box runs the risk of a pen no matter if arms are by side or in front of body. Thing is, if Boyles shot didn't hit McCarts arm and therefore it hits his body, whose to say the shot might not be deflected on it's way goalward.
I didn't comment on Allen's one earlier for some reason but I think that is one Beaton did get wrong. Anywhere else on pitch it's a foul. At least for obstruction.

[nonshinyfinish]

I didn't comment on Allen's one earlier for some reason but I think that is one Beaton did get wrong. Anywhere else on pitch it's a foul. At least for obstruction.

Obstruction is almost never given these days and if it was, it would be an indirect free kick in the box rather than a penalty.

I do think that one was a good claim though, not for obstruction but as I remember it the defender stood on his foot.

[blackpoolhibs]

I dont know what is or what's not handball anymore. :confused:

[lucky]

I do business with John Beaton on occasion and I can confirm he’s not a Rangers fan and certainly on a ST holder. Yesterday he had a poor game. I think a few decisions were dodgey and could have been given the other way. Refs like players have bad games it’s human nature.

[JimBHibees]

I do business with John Beaton on occasion and I can confirm he’s not a Rangers fan and certainly on a ST holder. Yesterday he had a poor game. I think a few decisions were dodgey and could have been given the other way. Refs like players have bad games it’s human nature.

Would he admit he was a Rangers fan :greengrin

[Skol]

Now I've watched spoetscene it's an even more baffling penalty

I think the ball would have hit mccarts body if his arm wasn't across it

I reckon Beaton incorrectly think it strikes his outstretched right arm instead

Not too dissimilar to the penalty killie got against us at rugby park when lennon lost the plot

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I have a lot of sympathy with the referees as calls like this are not easy. I dont like the current rule and think it should be deliberate handball that is a foul, not an unavoidable hitting of an arm

[heretoday]

Game's gone soft if that's a penalty. I'll take it though.
We've been on the wrong end so many times we deserve it.

[overdrive]

I do business with John Beaton on occasion and I can confirm he’s not a Rangers fan and certainly on a ST holder. Yesterday he had a poor game. I think a few decisions were dodgey and could have been given the other way. Refs like players have bad games it’s human nature.

Think a lot of the accusations that he’s a Rangers fan comes from the photos of him in a Rangers pub after an Old Firm game.

[Since90+2]

I do business with John Beaton on occasion and I can confirm he’s not a Rangers fan and certainly on a ST holder. Yesterday he had a poor game. I think a few decisions were dodgey and could have been given the other way. Refs like players have bad games it’s human nature.

He's hardly going to advertise the fact to folk if he is a Rangers fan.

[Since90+2]

I actually think Madden is pretty decent, by Scottish refereeing standard, Beaton is one of the worst.

[SerenityGreen]

[QUOTE=nonshinyfinish;6707207]Obstruction is almost never given these days and if it was, it would be an indirect free kick in the box rather than a penalty.

Ye agree, as soon as I typed I thought I do not recall any instances of obstruction being given nowadays. And, I am aware it is an indirect free kick. either way I do think it was a foul.

[maturehibby]

My son pointed out to me that Beaton moved in a square between the 18 yard lines never going near the touchlines
If he had got closer to dome of the incidents perhaps his decisions might have been different.
I know that referees run a diagonal when the game is going on but he as said never seemed to move out of that area which suggests lazy refereeing.
Perhaps the referee supervisor will have put these comments to the Higher ups but as nothing is ever done about Clancy,Dallas and I don't think anything will happen