Gogic

[AugustaHibs]

Last season I thought he was a revelation early on and was exactly what we needed.

However for the last 9 months or so would it be fair to say the guy is actually detrimental to us defensively?

It’s a shame as I have no idea what’s happened to him but for someone who’s strength is meant to be defensively i genuinely believe hes causing us huge problems

[J-C]

He's similar to big Bartley, both limited in their skill set but do the spoiler job well. We're moving on from needing that type of player and are looking for the clever deep playmaker like JDH. We had Dylan do that role when Marv was here and he struggled for game time during that 6 months spell under Lennon.

[neil7908]

He's been poor the first few games but I actually thought he looked much better yesterday and last week against Hearts, albeit coming off the bench.

He is a limited player but the big thing for me last couple of games is him not giving the ball away. He won't be picking out Scott Allan type passes but he's found a Hibs shirt much more consistently, even if that's just playing a simple ball.

[MWHIBBIES]

He was fine yesterday.

[flash]

He was fine yesterday.

He was indeed and got forward a fair bit too.

[hibeejeebies]

Last season I thought he was a revelation early on and was exactly what we needed.

However for the last 9 months or so would it be fair to say the guy is actually detrimental to us defensively?

It’s a shame as I have no idea what’s happened to him but for someone who’s strength is meant to be defensively i genuinely believe hes causing us huge problems

9 months is a wee bit OTT Disco.

[superfurryhibby]

Let’s start a thread on every Hibs player, just so we can moan like ****. Next........

[CmoantheHibs]

He's been poor the first few games but I actually thought he looked much better yesterday and last week against Hearts, albeit coming off the bench.

He is a limited player but the big thing for me last couple of games is him not giving the ball away. He won't be picking out Scott Allan type passes but he's found a Hibs shirt much more consistently, even if that's just playing a simple ball.
Think this sums it up well. Had a poor start to the season but has got his form back last 2 games. Goga gives his all every time he pulls on the shirt and generally closes gaps all over the place but because of a new playing style he will likely find his game time more limited.

[JimBHibees]

He's been poor the first few games but I actually thought he looked much better yesterday and last week against Hearts, albeit coming off the bench.

He is a limited player but the big thing for me last couple of games is him not giving the ball away. He won't be picking out Scott Allan type passes but he's found a Hibs shirt much more consistently, even if that's just playing a simple ball.

Agree absolutely fine the last two games. Give us something we need in the balance of the squad.

[loanheadhibby]

He was fine yesterday.
Totally agree.

[Allez Hibs]

Let’s start a thread on every Hibs player, just so we can moan like ****. Next........

It was a fair enough post from the original poster to be fair. He wasn't mean spirited about Gogic in any way.

[Johnny_Leith]

He's similar to big Bartley, both limited in their skill set but do the spoiler job well. We're moving on from needing that type of player and are looking for the clever deep playmaker like JDH. We had Dylan do that role when Marv was here and he struggled for game time during that 6 months spell under Lennon.

Put some respect on Marv's name!

10x the player gogic is. Yes, the role on the pitch they're being asked to perform is similar, but in terms of who can perform that role better: Marv.
Who's better on the ball: Marv.
Who gets about the park more: Marv.
Reading of the game? Marv.
Who hates the hearts more? Marv.

[Brightside]

Put some respect on Marv's name!

10x the player gogic is. Yes, the role on the pitch they're being asked to perform is similar, but in terms of who can perform that role better: Marv.
Who's better on the ball: Marv.
Who gets about the park more: Marv.
Reading of the game? Marv.
Who hates the hearts more? Marv.
Not really. Very similar players.

[MWHIBBIES]

Put some respect on Marv's name! 10x the player gogic is. Yes, the role on the pitch they're being asked to perform is similar, but in terms of who can perform that role better: Marv. Who's better on the ball: Marv. Who gets about the park more: Marv. Reading of the game? Marv. Who hates the hearts more? Marv. Nothing in it, if anything Gogic is better. Most of Marvs games for Hibs in the championship. Never had a season like Gogic did last year in the top flight for Hibs.

[Hiber-nation]

Gogic dragged us through some games last season. One of our best performers. Not sure why he's continually not tracking his man this season. Maybe he's one of these players that needs to play every week to keep his levels up.

[GRA]

Remember the disaster of when Hecky got rid of our two decent DMs (and brought in the waste of a wage that was Josh Vela) and teams were slicing through us with ease in 2019? Gogic steadied the ship last season and was solid. I'm a fan of his but I admit he's started the season poorly. Hopefully just a dip, he gets his confidence back and performs to the levels of last season 💪

[superfurryhibby]

It was a fair enough post from the original poster to be fair. He wasn't mean spirited about Gogic in any way.

No , I guess saying he is detrimental to us defensively and that he is causing the side huge problems is entirely fair to some. I just happen to think it's a
utter nonsense.

[vercol36]

No , I guess saying he is detrimental to us defensively and that he is causing the side huge problems is entirely fair to some. I just happen to think it's a
utter nonsense.

What a right grump you are. OP is bringing up a very reasonable point for discussion.

[J-C]

Put some respect on Marv's name!

10x the player gogic is. Yes, the role on the pitch they're being asked to perform is similar, but in terms of who can perform that role better: Marv.
Who's better on the ball: Marv.
Who gets about the park more: Marv.
Reading of the game? Marv.
Who hates the hearts more? Marv.

There's no disrespect to Bartley, he's your battling get stuck in defensive midfielder and was part of a fairly successful team, the fans loved his attitude and he got Hibs but when we got the Dylan/McGinn/Allan combo playing he became a bit part player that last 6 months. He was your typical get stuck in battling defensive midfielder, technically better than Gogic but did his job well and left Hibs a season too early. We could do with a Bartley of 5 years ago now.

[Since90+2]

Think Bartley, certainly in his prime years, was a level above Gogic.

[BILLYHIBS]

Bartley defo a better footballer than Gogic but after watching the Dundee derby on Sunday would not complain if Gogic started on Thursday

Let’s hope he brings his A game

[Peevemor]

I rated Bartley & I think Gogic has shown that he's capable of doing a decent job for Hibs.

For me, the only way to compare them fairly is to play them alongside the same midfieders. Gogic would probably have looked for more at ease if he was playing alongside SJM & McGeouch.

[superfurryhibby]

What a right grump you are. OP is bringing up a very reasonable point for discussion.

Saying that Gogic has been a liability for the past nine months and is currently causing the side huge problems is far from being reasonable. Maybe they could try qualifying that a bit more and give us a bit of a clue as to what they are referring to?

He was a part of a pretty successful 1st season and will no doubt contribute effectively over the course of the current one.

[Billy Whizz]

Wouldn’t surprise me if he started on Thursday

[BILLYHIBS]

Never got on on Sunday but seemed to really enjoy the post match celebrations :greengrin


https://twitter.com/hibsclass/status/1463094099607707652?s=21

[IncredibleHibee]

Marv was definitely a better player than Gogic IMO.

I agree Gogic hasn't hit the heights of last season but there is still a place in the squad for the type of player he is. He will also hopefully find better form again. I think he still has the ability to be a good player for us even if he doesn't start every week.

[JDT]

Marv was definitely a better player than Gogic IMO.

I agree Gogic hasn't hit the heights of last season but there is still a place in the squad for the type of player he is. He will also hopefully find better form again. I think he still has the ability to be a good player for us even if he doesn't start every week.

Is it just me who thinks he'd be a decent sweeper? I saw him play at centre half for Hamilton and he was tremendous in one game against rangers. Play him behind Hanlon and porteous and push the full backs up the park

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Is it just me who thinks he'd be a decent sweeper? I saw him play at centre half for Hamilton and he was tremendous in one game against rangers. Play him behind Hanlon and porteous and push the full backs up the park

Need to be able to pass a ball to play as a sweeper... Think Sauzee, Beckenbauer etc. All brilliant technical players, Gogic is a CDM all day long, proper tank of a guy but couldn't pass water

[Smartie]

Is it just me who thinks he'd be a decent sweeper? I saw him play at centre half for Hamilton and he was tremendous in one game against rangers. Play him behind Hanlon and porteous and push the full backs up the park

I don't fancy Gogic as a sweeper but I'd wondered if McGinn might be decent there? (This was when Porto was suspended, Wood had struggled a bit against United, we were short at CH and we were wondering how to cobble a team together for the next game).

McGinn is quick, decent on the ball and reads the game well. He's maybe just a bit light to be a CH in a 2 but does well on the right of a back 3 and if we had a couple of knuckle heads at CH to win the ball (such as McGregor and Gogic) then McGinn might be the balance there in between them?



It wouldn't be my first choice - obviously - but with the mental run of games we've got coming up next month, we might find ourselves being forced to be creative, or even just to use the full depth of the squad voluntarily to avoid us picking up more injuries and suspensions.

[SMAXXA]

Loved seeing his reaction and there seemed a real togetherness with the players

[MWHIBBIES]

Is it just me who thinks he'd be a decent sweeper? I saw him play at centre half for Hamilton and he was tremendous in one game against rangers. Play him behind Hanlon and porteous and push the full backs up the park

Change a winning team and use a position than hasn't been used in like 30 years to fit Gogic into the side? Not sure thats the play.

[ian cruise]

Is it just me who thinks he'd be a decent sweeper? I saw him play at centre half for Hamilton and he was tremendous in one game against rangers. Play him behind Hanlon and porteous and push the full backs up the park

I just can't see how you'd fit a sweeper in to any of the formations we play.

Teams now pack the midfield so you need numbers in there. We already often play with one upfront but are arguably stronger with 2 and on occasions when we play 3 at the back to remove a defender and play a sweeper is arguably just robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Not saying Gogic couldn't do it but it's just a role that the current game doesn't seem to have a place for at present.

[JDT]

I just can't see how you'd fit a sweeper in to any of the formations we play.

Teams now pack the midfield so you need numbers in there. We already often play with one upfront but are arguably stronger with 2 and on occasions when we play 3 at the back to remove a defender and play a sweeper is arguably just robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Not saying Gogic couldn't do it but it's just a role that the current game doesn't seem to have a place for at present.

I understand where everyone is coming from, was more thinking the amount of games to play and using the whole squad might mean a change of formation. We'll need everyone who's available to play, Wood, Scott, Wright and maybe a few more youngsters also getting a chance.

[worcesterhibby]

Maybe not a top player, but he seems like a top team-mate

[BILLYHIBS]

Loved how he hits the young Reserve goalie in the baws with his scarf :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

I just can't see how you'd fit a sweeper in to any of the formations we play.

Teams now pack the midfield so you need numbers in there. We already often play with one upfront but are arguably stronger with 2 and on occasions when we play 3 at the back to remove a defender and play a sweeper is arguably just robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Not saying Gogic couldn't do it but it's just a role that the current game doesn't seem to have a place for at present.

Does any side in world football still play with a sweeper? Anyone know? If not when was the last one?

[Keith_M]

Loved how he hits the young Reserve goalie in the baws with his scarf :greengrin


Was this anything to do with the game on Sunday, or was that a private moment between the two of them that shouldn't really be shared?

[BILLYHIBS]

Was this anything to do with the game on Sunday, or was that a private moment between the two of them that shouldn't really be shared?
Check the link on #25

[superfurryhibby]

Does any side in world football still play with a sweeper? Anyone know? If not when was the last one?

When you play a three man central defence, I assume the central player is the spare man who picks up the crumbs and maybe takes the ball forward more, is that not the same as a sweeper?

Modern tactics and terminology, but still the same role?

[jacomo]

When you play a three man central defence, I assume the central player is the spare man who picks up the crumbs and maybe takes the ball forward more, is that not the same as a sweeper?

Modern tactics and terminology, but still the same role?


Yes exactly. Sauzee was the exponent of this for us of course. Sol Bamba and Efe were both fond of a stroll forward from defence but that always seemed more spontaneous.

If we play a 3 at the back more regularly then Gogic is worth a look in there.

[MKHIBEE]

Never got on on Sunday but seemed to really enjoy the post match celebrations :greengrin


https://twitter.com/hibsclass/status/1463094099607707652?s=21

The scarf twirling should be left to others.

[BILLYHIBS]

The scarf twirling should be left to others.
:agree:

[Fergus52]

When you play a three man central defence, I assume the central player is the spare man who picks up the crumbs and maybe takes the ball forward more, is that not the same as a sweeper?

Modern tactics and terminology, but still the same role?

Recently when we've played three at the back the outside centre backs have been the ball players getting forward (Hanlon, mcginn and Ambrose) while the one in the middle has been the bigger stronger ball winner, who stays back more and is first to challenge for long balls etc. (Porto, daz)

Hanlon did play a sweeper esque role at times under Stubbs though, when he was played in the middle of a back 3 between daz and Fontaine.

[superfurryhibby]

Recently when we've played three at the back the outside centre backs have been the ball players getting forward (Hanlon, mcginn and Ambrose) while the one in the middle has been the bigger stronger ball winner, who stays back more and is first to challenge for long balls etc. (Porto, daz)

Hanlon did play a sweeper esque role at times under Stubbs though, when he was played in the middle of a back 3 between daz and Fontaine.

Fair enough observation. I think you're right there. Current style of back three, it's a modern variation on a theme really. I assume most teams playing a back three do the same?

I rarely watch football these days (except Hibs and Scotland) and have never played Football Manager so I reckon there is a fair gap in my understanding of modern formations and tactics.

All that said, I would have thought Gogic could cover a spot in the defence, if emergency required it, especially given his past experience at Hamilton?

[Greenbeard]

Change a winning team and use a position than hasn't been used in like 30 years to fit Gogic into the side? Not sure thats the play.
Going to have to do some squad rotation over the coming weeks so he is definitely going to feature at some point, esp with Hallberg still out. (Any news on him?)
Last season there was a lengthy spell when Gogic was the first name on my preferred team sheet. Hope he gets back to his Rottweiler best, bearing down on the opposition when in posession and making them **** themselves into a hurried sloppy pass.

[Eyrie]

Recently when we've played three at the back the outside centre backs have been the ball players getting forward (Hanlon, mcginn and Ambrose) while the one in the middle has been the bigger stronger ball winner, who stays back more and is first to challenge for long balls etc. (Porto, daz)

Hanlon did play a sweeper esque role at times under Stubbs though, when he was played in the middle of a back 3 between daz and Fontaine.

It's an effective way to play because either of the outside CHs can step forward with the ball, enabling one of the midfielders to move up. When we don't have possession, it gives a solid defence which should compensate for having wing backs instead of full backs.

Much prefer it to the old idea of two "traditional" CHs flanking a sweeper.