Doig, backpost

[The Tubs]

He’s got to be coached to defend it.

Doig that is.

[Brightside]

That was Scott Allan. 100%

[MWHIBBIES]

I'd wonder why McGinn was left 2v1 again and again. Easy to defend a back post if you stop the cross

[Helensburghhibs]

Still waiting on our 7 ft tall goalie to come out and take a contested cross inside the 6 yard box as well. We deserved what we got today. If we gave any ambition to be up the top constantly we should be playing these games out not wasting time and hanging on for a 2.1 against St mirror at home.

[Iain G]

Still waiting on our 7 ft tall goalie to come out and take a contested cross inside the 6 yard box as well. We deserved what we got today. If we gave any ambition to be up the top constantly we should be playing these games out not wasting time and hanging on for a 2.1 against St mirror at home.

He seems to be getting taller by the hour, though someone called him 8ft tall on the match thread, by midnight he will be over 13ft tall 🤣

[B.H.F.C]

I'd wonder why McGinn was left 2v1 again and again. Easy to defend a back post if you stop the cross

McGinn stood and watched the boy cross it. No attempt to do anything.

[StockholmHibs]

Will we learn from this? Will we f×××! Same old same old.
What do we do in training?

[madhatter]

Goal was coming. We didnt really have a midfield during the last 10mins or so. Back 5 with 3 players pretty much sitting on top of them and a terrible 2 for defensive work rate left further up (Nisbet and Allan have poor defensive workrates, really miss Doidge).

St Mirren could get 10-15yards into our half before they were closed down. We always lose goals at critical point in games when this happens. Goes as far back as I can remember.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Will we learn from this? Will we f×××! Same old same old.
What do we do in training?

I'd like to know once and for all what our goalkeepers are taught. Come for crosses or leave them to the defenders. Both Rocky and Macey exactly the same.

[MWHIBBIES]

McGinn stood and watched the boy cross it. No attempt to do anything.

The boy was like 10 yards away from McGinn because McGinn had had to come inside. Sorry but if a full back is 2v1 he's basically ****ed already. Boyle MIA

[J-C]

I'd love to see them on the training pitch and see what they're doing re stopping goals like this, happening all too often.

[Peevemor]

I'd like to know once and for all what our goalkeepers are taught. Come for crosses or leave them to the defenders. Both Rocky and Macey exactly the same.

Same here. I grew up seeing keepers come for everything near te 6yd box - especially tall ones. Then you had some who'd stay on their line and stop shots, leaving the defenders to deal with crosses.

I don't know what modern keepers, especially ours, are meant to do in these situations.

[jeffers]

Would like to see it again, but whoever was at fault today we keep
losing the same type of goal - cross from the right badly defended by the left side of our defence.

[Greenio]

So far it's Doigs fault, McGinns fault, Allans fault n the goalie's fault!

How about we accept the team never a) held onto the lead or b) scored a third to put it behind reach and give the finger pointing a rest eh

We got what we deserved today which was 1 point

[Ozyhibby]

The amount of crosses that came into our box in the last 20 mins was ridiculous.


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[Greenbeard]

So far it's Doigs fault, McGinns fault, Allans fault n the goalie's fault!

How about we accept the team never a) held onto the lead or b) scored a third to put it behind reach and give the finger pointing a rest eh

We got what we deserved today which was 1 point
If Petrie hasn't been blamed yet I'll throw him in the mix.

[B.H.F.C]

The boy was like 10 yards away from McGinn because McGinn had had to come inside. Sorry but if a full back is 2v1 he's basically ****ed already. Boyle MIA

He wasn’t two on one at that one from my recollection. He was in so much space because full back made no attempt to get out.

[SChibs]

He wasn’t two on one at that one from my recollection. He was in so much space because full back made no attempt to get out.

Because he was also trying to cover the 2nd run...

[B.H.F.C]

Because he was also trying to cover the 2nd run...

Surely the danger is where the ball is? He did nothing. Who made the other run? I’d like to see it again but I thought the ball simply got passed wide and McGinn didn’t nothing to get out.

Whoever is at fault it’s something that keeps happening.

[chrisski33]

If Petrie hasn't been blamed yet I'll throw him in the mix.

I blame the tv screens players probably spent half the time looking at themselves on it

[MWHIBBIES]

Surely the danger is where the ball is? He did nothing. Who made the other run? I’d like to see it again but I thought the ball simply got passed wide and McGinn didn’t nothing to get out.

Whoever is at fault it’s something that keeps happening.

The 1st man had the ball and played it to the 2nd one. Unless we resign one of his brothers, McGinn cant be in 2 places at once. Boyle just has to track the fullback. Football basic.

[B.H.F.C]

The 1st man had the ball and played it to the 2nd one. Unless we resign one of his brothers, McGinn cant be in 2 places at once. Boyle just has to track the fullback. Football basic.

Where did the boy pass it from though? One player passing to another doesn’t automatically equal a two on one.

I might change my mind when I see it back but, at the time, it never occurred to me that there was another player running past the boy who crossed it or anything like that.

[JimBHibees]

The number of free headers we allow for goals really is ridiculous. Same goal over and over obviously Shangnessy is good at heading the ball but surely we should be managing a challenge. No one attacking the ball at all.

[Helensburghhibs]

Where did the boy pass it from though? One player passing to another doesn’t automatically equal a two on one.

I might change my mind when I see it back but, at the time, it never occurred to me that there was another player running past the boy who crossed it or anything like that.

I didn't think it was 2 on 1 just thought mginn gave him 5 yards too much to allow the cross

[loanheadhibby]

If Petrie hasn't been blamed yet I'll throw him in the mix.

You forgot Graham Mathie as well. Pity he can’t play centre half

[Big_Franck]

I'd have to watch it back but my initial reaction was that it wasn't Doig's fault so not sure why we have a thread on him. The header comes from on or inside the 6 yard box and very central so centre halves and/or keeper at fault there for me.

[B.H.F.C]

I didn't think it was 2 on 1 just thought mginn gave him 5 yards too much to allow the cross

That’s what I thought as well. Remember shouting at him to try and stop the cross rather than being concerned about any other runners.

[USAHibee]

Why we always looking to blame someone, whole team were off today, bad day at the office. Doig ran that whole left side himself today, he needs more help on the left...

[number9dream]

I'd like to know once and for all what our goalkeepers are taught. Come for crosses or leave them to the defenders. Both Rocky and Macey exactly the same.

Well, Samson was one of the worst top flight keeper’s there’s ever been in Scotland.
Macey was dreadful today. Not the only one though.

[madhatter]

Don't think our management team did a great job tbh. When have we ever scraped a win at ER by bringing on more defensive reinforcements? It's very rare, it encourages us to become deeper even though we are already setup to counter attack.

I saw Samson and Potter giving Scott Allan some bizarre instructions as well. At one set piece he was told to stay forward and then told to stay with Erhahon to finally be told to not go so deep...even though he was tracking Erhahon.

As a team, with our management, we invited them to score that equaliser. Happens too often at ER.

[Helensburghhibs]

Well, Samson was one of the worst top flight keeper’s there’s ever been in Scotland.
Macey was dreadful today. Not the only one though.

Have to agree with the first bit. He also seems to have too much input into the overall team instructions for me.

[loanheadhibby]

Don't think our management team did a great job tbh. When have we ever scraped a win at ER by bringing on more defensive reinforcements? It's very rare, it encourages us to become deeper even though we are already setup to counter attack.

I saw Samson and Potter giving Scott Allan some bizarre instructions as well. At one set piece he was told to stay forward and then told to stay with Erhahon to finally be told to not go so deep...even though he was tracking Erhahon.

As a team, with our management, we invited them to score that equaliser. Happens too often at ER.

I noticed that about SA today as well. He was told to head up to half way line and 2 seconds later ordered back to defend by someone else!

[hibee_girl]

I noticed that about SA today as well. He was told to head up to half way line and 2 seconds later ordered back to defend by someone else!

He was also put on the post at a St Mirren corner which I thought was strange

[LunasBoots]

We've seen the same issue on multiple occasions.

[SChibs]

Well, Samson was one of the worst top flight keeper’s there’s ever been in Scotland.
Macey was dreadful today. Not the only one though.

Was he? Thought he was always pretty steady without being spectacular for the teams he played for

[Peevemor]

Was he? Thought he was always pretty steady without being spectacular for the teams he played for

That's how I remember him too, but we can't be having any gray areas on here. Extremes only.

[B.H.F.C]

The 1st man had the ball and played it to the 2nd one. Unless we resign one of his brothers, McGinn cant be in 2 places at once. Boyle just has to track the fullback. Football basic.

Just seen it back and there is no two on one. McGinn puts no pressure on the ball. In your words, a football basic.

[Ozyhibby]

Just seen it back and there is no two on one. McGinn puts no pressure on the ball. In your words, a football basic.

Just seen it. McGinn has a shocker. He is consistently letting far too many crosses into the box. Garbage defending. Doig needs to do better as well though. And Hanlon and Porteous shouldn’t both be heading to front post. But biggest culprit has to mcginn. Last 20 mins today they put far too many crosses into our box.


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[B.H.F.C]

Just seen it. McGinn has a shocker. He is consistently letting far too many crosses into the box. Garbage defending. Doig needs to do better as well though. And Hanlon and Porteous shouldn’t both be heading to front post. But biggest culprit has to mcginn. Last 20 mins today they put far too many crosses into our box.


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At the game I’m sure I shouted about three times ‘stop the cross’. He just actually watches. It’s really poor, lazy defending.

Allan and Doig don’t do very well between them IMO but McGinn just does nothing. Keep letting folk cross the ball, you’ll keep losing goals.

[Unseen work]

In fairness to Doig, a couple of times this season it’s been pointed at him when he’s actually tried a last minute attempt to get to someone else’s man as they’ve got free.

See Gogic against Dundee. Doig had his man then tried to get to McGowan as Gogic had let him drift so he then gets labelled as responsible.

Either way though as a team we need to solve it.

[Nicho87]

McGinn trotted over to the left back if he sprinted the cross doesn’t come in

Too many goals coming from McGinn side imo

[Danderhall Hibs]

McGinn let the cross come in, Allan watched the guy go past him and Doig didn’t cover very well.

Poor all round.

[madhatter]

Just seen it. McGinn has a shocker. He is consistently letting far too many crosses into the box. Garbage defending. Doig needs to do better as well though. And Hanlon and Porteous shouldn’t both be heading to front post. But biggest culprit has to mcginn. Last 20 mins today they put far too many crosses into our box.


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McGinn definitely needs to do better but I think us moving to a back 5 as well as bringing on Gogic shows the mentality we were creating within the team. Deeper and deeper.

They could walk 10-15yards into our half uncontested. We pulled everyone back for set pieces even when it was unnecessary.

The negativity and the trying to scrape a win at home only to draw reminded me of Heckingbottoms game when he took Scott Allan off. I'm sure that ended up 2-2 as well.

We don't have a defence that we should invite pressure on yet we do. St Mirren could abandon their defensive duties as we stopped going forward.

[hibee1875]

Have to agree with the first bit. He also seems to have too much input into the overall team instructions for me.

He wears the ear piece, he’s passing down positional instructions from the eye in the stand.

Saw him screaming at Magennis (i think) when Doig was left with 2 at the back post for the second set piece in a row

[Gmack7]

McGinn trotted over to the left back if he sprinted the cross doesn’t come in

Too many goals coming from McGinn side imo

It looks like his defense is hoping the ball just hits him rather actively trying to stop the cross

[Mr. Wonderful]

That was Scott Allan. 100%

On what planet 😂

[Callum_62]

On what planet [emoji23]Earth?

I think (although I obviouosy couldn't hear the shout) that Scott passed him onto Josh

But it was Just as the cross was coming over

Allan follows the man in he atkeast makes it awkward for him, last min of the game its obvious where the cross was going to

Why does Scott feel the need to stop and pass him on? Was another St mirren player free?

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[truehibernian]

McGinn has been terrible this season, goal aside, he’s the weak link defensively so far. Too many goals and chances are coming from his side and his lack of closing down or pressing - constantly stands off the crosser.

[Hermit Crab]

McGinn has been terrible this season, goal aside, he’s the weak link defensively so far. Too many goals and chances are coming from his side and his lack of closing down or pressing - constantly stands off the crosser.


We have trouble stopping crosses on both sides but McGinn has been especially bad at stopping them.

[jeffers]

Earth?

I think (although I obviouosy couldn't hear the shout) that Scott passed him onto Josh

But it was Just as the cross was coming over

Allan follows the man in he atkeast makes it awkward for him, last min of the game its obvious where the cross was going to

Why does Scott feel the need to stop and pass him in? Was another St mirren player free?

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Maybe he thought a 6ft+ defender would be better suited to deal with another 6ft+ defender ?

Not wanting to be too harsh on Doig, he’s clearly still learning but he needs to be more alert to danger and cover for teammates, even if they have passed on a man that they probably shouldn’t have.

[Callum_62]

Maybe he thought a 6ft+ defender would be better suited to deal with another 6ft+ defender ?

Not wanting to be too harsh on Doig, he’s clearly still learning but he needs to be more alert to danger and cover for teammates, even if they have passed on a man that they probably shouldn’t have.But why not just follow him in and atkeast attempt to defend it?

Mightve been a mismatch but he gave him a free run putting Doig is a very very tricky position

Was there another player Allan was going to or did he just give up defending?

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[Nicho87]

McGinn has been terrible this season, goal aside, he’s the weak link defensively so far. Too many goals and chances are coming from his side and his lack of closing down or pressing - constantly stands off the crosser.

See my post

Any full back should be sprinting out there

McGinn as vice captain is ridiculous in itself

But the amount of goals we have conceded from crosses from this right side in this season must be a fair amount already

If your an opposition manager it’s down the left every time and hope Doig is still halfway up the pitch attacking

[jeffers]

But why not just follow him in and atkeast attempt to defend it?

Mightve been a mismatch but he gave him a free run putting Doig is a very very tricky position

Was there another player Allan was going to or did he just give up defending?

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I’ve not seen it again. Maybe SA felt Doig was better suited to deal with it, let’s be honest he has lots of qualities, but defending has never been one of them.

[Callum_62]

I’ve not seen it again. Maybe SA felt Doig was better suited to deal with it, let’s be honest he has lots of qualities, but defending has never been one of them.I didn't notice it at the time and was fully in the Doig must do much much better camp

Seeing it again though I don't know why Allan doesn't follow him in

Various mistakes all round though

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[jeffers]

I didn't notice it at the time and was fully in the Doig must do much much better camp

Seeing it again though I don't know why Allan doesn't follow him in

Various mistakes all round though

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I’ve just watched it again. I’m definitely of the opinion that Doig needed to do better and react to Shaugnessy coming into the box. He’s marking no one and can see what’s happening in front of him. If you watch it Shaughnessy almost pushes past Scott Allan to get into the box, I’m not sure there was a lot he could do, the player was just stronger than him.

[neil7908]

There's a real issue here. Tbh I'm not sure if it's McGinn, Macey, Doig or the midfield but we are losing far, far too many goals from crosses.

What worries me more is how we completely gave away possession once we went a goal ahead. It was St Mirren FFS but we started sitting back and camping to try and grind out a result. They are still without a win this season. Not a great look for us at home.

[Unseen work]

No way Macey is at fault for that today.

The ball is whipped in and doesn’t go inside the 6 yard box. It falls on the boys head about 5 cm off the ground on the edge of the 6 yard box. That’s the defenders ball all day.

Allan try’s to stop Shaugnessy running, I’m not sure if he just doesn’t give Doig a shout? Doig should still be aware of people running in however.

[J-C]

Doig got caught call watching, as simple as that, he had no idea the player was coming into his space and was found wanting. He's still raw but has to start being more aware as it's happened a few times already this season, maybe a wee spell on the bench and take him out of the firing line.

[18Craig75]

Doig looks like a shadow of the promising young player we enjoyed last season. I’m not sure if the transfer stuff has unsettled him or if it’s just an extreme loss of confidence. I also don’t know what effect Covid had on the lad because he doesn’t look the same physically in terms of getting up and down the wing. I think he only got to their byline once yesterday for a cross (we ended up scoring from it).

I thought the same at Tynecastle. He’s got bags of potential but it looks like he needs to have a bit belief in himself, take the ball for a run.

Right now Stevenson should be back in because Doig isn’t offering enough going forward and isn’t as good defensively as Lewis IMO.

[hibeejeebies]

McGinn definitely needs to do better but I think us moving to a back 5 as well as bringing on Gogic shows the mentality we were creating within the team. Deeper and deeper.

They could walk 10-15yards into our half uncontested. We pulled everyone back for set pieces even when it was unnecessary.

The negativity and the trying to scrape a win at home only to draw reminded me of Heckingbottoms game when he took Scott Allan off. I'm sure that ended up 2-2 as well.

We don't have a defence that we should invite pressure on yet we do. St Mirren could abandon their defensive duties as we stopped going forward.

Well said. At 2-1 the game was there for the taking.

[JimBHibees]

Doig looks like a shadow of the promising young player we enjoyed last season. I’m not sure if the transfer stuff has unsettled him or if it’s just an extreme loss of confidence. I also don’t know what effect Covid had on the lad because he doesn’t look the same physically in terms of getting up and down the wing. I think he only got to their byline once yesterday for a cross (we ended up scoring from it).

I thought the same at Tynecastle. He’s got bags of potential but it looks like he needs to have a bit belief in himself, take the ball for a run.

Right now Stevenson should be back in because Doig isn’t offering enough going forward and isn’t as good defensively as Lewis IMO.

Personally thought. josh did well in general play. Had a couple of brilliant runs second half and his crosses were very good.

[Brightside]

On what planet 😂

Watch it again and come back to me. Everyone sitting with me saw the goal coming. He tugged on his man, then let him go. It cannot be any clearer.

[lord bunberry]

I didn't notice it at the time and was fully in the Doig must do much much better camp

Seeing it again though I don't know why Allan doesn't follow him in

Various mistakes all round though

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If they’re defending zonal, then maybe Allan is shouting to Doig that the player is heading for his zone.

[Mr. Wonderful]

Watch it again and come back to me. Everyone sitting with me saw the goal coming. He tugged on his man, then let him go. It cannot be any clearer.

On what version of this planet is that his man? He's clearly passed him onto more able aerial defenders and intends to pick up the man on the edge, who is free. Doig and nobody else.. again.

[flash]

Personally thought. josh did well in general play. Had a couple of brilliant runs second half and his crosses were very good.

Second half he linked really well with Scott Allan. Still think he is more a midfielder than a defender.

[BlackSheep]

During the game I said McGinn had given him too much space.

Just watched the highlights and I was correct, for some reason just prior to the cross McGinn and Gogic are covering the same St Mirren player… then the ball goes wide and McGinn goes out… he should’ve been on the St Mirren wide player in the first place… may have put more pressure on the cross or even stopped it completely.

That said… Allan passes his man onto Doig, but it doesn’t look like Doig was aware of that.

Also the centre backs are all drawn to the ball and leave a gaping hole in the middle of the 6 yard box, with one getting under the cross and missing it due to this…!

With all this said, I’d like to have seen Macey come for it and command that area.

Just a bit of a calamity of errors really, no real blame to be laid at 1 players feet, just us scrambling to defend a tight lead…. And failing.

That said, teams must be prepping to send in as many crosses against us as possible… we are terrible at defending them!!

[JimBHibees]

Second half he linked really well with Scott Allan. Still think he is more a midfielder than a defender.

Agree think his strength is going forward. Maybe time to try him as wing back again.

[MWHIBBIES]

Second half he linked really well with Scott Allan. Still think he is more a midfielder than a defender. He isn't a midfielder at all. He is an attacking fullback, like most other top fullbacks right now. He will improve with experience.

[flash]

He isn't a midfielder at all. He is an attacking fullback, like most other top fullbacks right now. He will improve with experience.

I will decide on my opinion thanks.

[JimBHibees]

He isn't a midfielder at all. He is an attacking fullback, like most other top fullbacks right now. He will improve with experience.

Well suited to wing back though.

[MWHIBBIES]

I will decide on my opinion thanks. Yes, obviously. No one has ever suggested otherwise. Do you actually base it on anything, though? Or is just any fullback who crosses the half way line a lot actually a midfielder?

[flash]

Well suited to wing back though.

Exactly. A midfielder who provides cover at the back.

[MWHIBBIES]

Well suited to wing back though. Yeah, he is. Had good games for Hibs as both full back and wing back. Never played any kind of senior match in midfield.

[flash]

Yes, obviously. No one has ever suggested otherwise. Do you actually base it on anything, though? Or is just any fullback who crosses the half way line a lot actually a midfielder?

I take it you don't actually want an answer and this post was purely to try to put me down.

[Zambernardi1875]

Been saying that since last season, I’d like to see Stevenson left back and doig left midfield. They can then both cover each other and Stevenson can talk him through games more

[MWHIBBIES]

I take it you don't actually want an answer and this post was purely to try to put me down. No. I just think ''im entitled to my opinion'' is the most wasted post ever. Obviously you are. But if you post something, then you should be willing to back it up a bit, if someone disagrees. Josh has over 50 matches in his career now. At youth levels he played central defence, and has only played left back/left wing back for Hibs. How is he a midfielder?

[Hibs1969]

Just seen it. McGinn has a shocker. He is consistently letting far too many crosses into the box. Garbage defending. Doig needs to do better as well though. And Hanlon and Porteous shouldn’t both be heading to front post. But biggest culprit has to mcginn. Last 20 mins today they put far too many crosses into our box.


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I’ve not seen it but it sounds like the cup final goal all over again.

[Centre Hawf]

Just seen the highlights back there and while it is Scott Allan's man initially, I think it's reasonable to suggest that Doig should be picking up his run into the box rather than Allan running in with him. Maybe there needs to be more communication to pass him on to Doig but Doig hasn't checked what is around him while picking up no one. Not great awareness.

[WhileTheChief..]

Exactly. A midfielder who provides cover at the back.

I wouldn't mind seeing him playing in midfield with Stevenson back in behind him. Worth a try.

[loanheadhibby]

Just seen the highlights back there and while it is Scott Allan's man initially, I think it's reasonable to suggest that Doig should be picking up his run into the box rather than Allan running in with him. Maybe there needs to be more communication to pass him on to Doig but Doig hasn't checked what is around him while picking up no one. Not great awareness.

I agree. Even if Scott Allan tracks his man, he is undoubtedly going to be muscled off/out jumped by the centre half.

Incidentally, I thought the centre half was the best player on the park over the 90mins. He deserved his goal at the end. They deserved their draw over the piece and let’s be honest, they should have wrapped the 3 points up at the end.

What bugs me most about yesterday is, will they ever have an easier 1st 20 mins of an away game. They absolutely strolled it. We should have had them pinned back and scrambling for their lives.

[flash]

No. I just think ''im entitled to my opinion'' is the most wasted post ever. Obviously you are. But if you post something, then you should be willing to back it up a bit, if someone disagrees. Josh has over 50 matches in his career now. At youth levels he played central defence, and has only played left back/left wing back for Hibs. How is he a midfielder?
Clearly he isn't at the moment but I think he has the attributes to do really well further up the park. Wing back suits him better than a flat back four as far as I can see.

[Centre Hawf]

I agree. Even if Scott Allan tracks his man, he is undoubtedly going to be muscled off/out jumped by the centre half.

Incidentally, I thought the centre half was the best player on the park over the 90mins. He deserved his goal at the end. They deserved their draw over the piece and let’s be honest, they should have wrapped the 3 points up at the end.

What bugs me most about yesterday is, will they ever have an easier 1st 20 mins of an away game. They absolutely strolled it. We should have had them pinned back and scrambling for their lives.

I've always been a wee admirer of Joe Shaughnessy when he was at St Johnstone and was amazed he wasn't the type of player we went for when he went down south initially. Think he's done well at St Mirren since signing as well.

[easty]

Young player of the year in Scotland last season. At full back.

But aye, he’s probably a midfielder. Of course.

[flash]

Young player of the year in Scotland last season. At full back.

But aye, he’s probably a midfielder. If course.

Glad you see the potential.

[loanheadhibby]

I've always been a wee admirer of Joe Shaughnessy when he was at St Johnstone and was amazed he wasn't the type of player we went for when he went down south initially. Think he's done well at St Mirren since signing as well.

Joe Shaughnessy strolled it yesterday. He was a leader and organiser. Looked pretty comfy with ball at his feet as well.

[Bangkok Hibby]

I've always been a wee admirer of Joe Shaughnessy when he was at St Johnstone and was amazed he wasn't the type of player we went for when he went down south initially. Think he's done well at St Mirren since signing as well.

Every time I hear his name I smile and think of the young Hibs tv commentator who did a few matches last season (sorry don't know his name) He called him Shog Nessy until it was pointed out on air that isn't actually how it's pronounced 😃

[Centre Hawf]

Every time I hear his name I smile and think of the young Hibs tv commentator who did a few matches last season (sorry don't know his name) He called him Shog Nessy until it was pointed out on air that isn't actually how it's pronounced 😃

Funnily enough I thought the guy commentating on Sportscene did the same thing a couple times!

[gaz1875]

I mentioned this type of goal a few weeks back and was slaughtered by some on here for blaming Doig. Most goals are caused by errors in various plays for the goal. I wasn't directly pointing the finger at Doig but saying he needs to be more aware. Again, for the equaliser you can blame McGinn, Allan, jack Ross whoever, Doig can see the ball coming towards him and should be trying to clear it not watching. Not for the first time it's a ball from the attacking left and a header around the attacking right side of the 6 yard box. It needs to be worked on in training.

[easty]

Glad you see the potential.

I do see his potential. At full back.

[Zambernardi1875]

I do see his potential. At full back.

Antonio started full back so did bale. It’s a shame players are pigeon holed into only one position at such an early age.

[Danderhall Hibs]

If they’re defending zonal, then maybe Allan is shouting to Doig that the player is heading for his zone.

Do you defend zonally in open play?

[Helensburghhibs]

Do you defend zonally in open play?

Bit of a different approach here bit when we lump balls into the box I always think that opposition centre half's relish it. It wasn't that great a ball but both our centre backs covered the front post. I think at least one should be in the middle of the goals to win the header.

[Billy Whizz]

The early indications on Josh, was he was going to be a centre back

[lord bunberry]

Do you defend zonally in open play?

I’ve genuinely no idea, I was just offering a possible explanation. Whatever it is they need to get it sorted, it’s happening far too often.

[easty]

Antonio started full back so did bale. It’s a shame players are pigeon holed into only one position at such an early age.

That’s 2 players. How many full backs started as a full back, then stayed as a full back? It’ll be a big list.

Anyway, nobody is pigeon holing anybody. The manager and the coaches will be able to decide if someone can play in another position, they clearly see Doig as a full back.

This is like that time we had folk on here saying David Stephens should be tried up front.

[J-C]

Exactly. A midfielder who provides cover at the back.

There have been many wingbacks who started as wingers, Valencia and Young at Man U and at the moment Ritchie at Newcastle, did Alexander - Arnod not just play in midfield for England recently?

The modern day wingback/attacking fullback is more like a winger and plays fairly high up the pitch, I think Robertson and Alexander Arnold had the some of the highest stats re assists last season in the EPL.

[Zambernardi1875]

That’s 2 players. How many full backs started as a full back, then stayed as a full back? It’ll be a big list.

Anyway, nobody is pigeon holing anybody. The manager and the coaches will be able to decide if someone can play in another position, they clearly see Doig as a full back.

This is like that time we had folk on here saying David Stephens should be tried up front.

Yes you’re right, suggesting a left back is tried at left mid is exactly like David Stephens playing upfront 😂😂😂 this place is mad

[easty]

The modern day wingback/attacking fullback is more like a winger and plays fairly high up the pitch, I think Robertson and Alexander Arnold had the some of the highest stats re assists last season in the EPL.

Apples and pears. TAA and Robertson are brilliant players, up there with the best in the world in their positions. How they do isn’t really that relevant to what should be happening with Doig. It’s far more to do with how good they are, how good their team is, than how it’s the “modern day” fullback role.

The Liverpool front 3 of Mane, Salah and Firmino can all drift all over the final third and score from all angles, but that doesn’t mean we should expect that from Boyle, Nisbet and Murphy.

[MWHIBBIES]

There have been many wingbacks who started as wingers, Valencia and Young at Man U and at the moment Ritchie at Newcastle, did Alexander - Arnod not just play in midfield for England recently? The modern day wingback/attacking fullback is more like a winger and plays fairly high up the pitch, I think Robertson and Alexander Arnold had the some of the highest stats re assists last season in the EPL. More like a winger than what? they are more like a fullback than anything else. Valencia and Young only played fullback as they slowed down. They were both better as wingers when they were younger than they ever were at fullback.

[easty]

Yes you’re right, suggesting a left back is tried at left mid is exactly like David Stephens playing upfront 😂😂😂 this place is mad

Aye ok chuckles…it’s not exactly like it. I didn’t say it was exactly like it.

I’m suggesting that the people who coach the players and pick the team, and continue to pick Doig at full back, not left mid…they know better. Than you.

[J-C]

Apples and pears. TAA and Robertson are brilliant players, up there with the best in the world in their positions. How they do isn’t really that relevant to what should be happening with Doig. It’s far more to do with how good they are, how good their team is, than how it’s the “modern day” fullback role.

The Liverpool front 3 of Mane, Salah and Firmino can all drift all over the final third and score from all angles, but that doesn’t mean we should expect that from Boyle, Nisbet and Murphy.


I understand how good these players are, the game has changed considerably over the years and the old fashioned fullback is a rare beast nowadays with many now playing almost like a winger. I think we forget that Doig is still very young and just burst onto the scene last season, he's being well coached by Stevenson so hopefully he starts to learn quickly and begins to cut out the wee mistakes in his game. We don't need to play a back 3 to get him playing wingback, the 2 you mentioned play that very well in a back 4.

[500miles]

Doig is making a bit of an adjustment from playing as a wing back to a fullback. He has to be more aware in the box. He'll get there though, he learned quickly last season.

[Zambernardi1875]

Aye ok chuckles…it’s not exactly like it. I didn’t say it was exactly like it.

I’m suggesting that the people who coach the players and pick the team, and continue to pick Doig at full back, not left mid…they know better. Than you.

“This is like that time we had folk on here saying David Stephens should be tried up front.“ 🤷🏻*♂️

[easty]

“This is like that time we had folk on here saying David Stephens should be tried up front.“ 🤷🏻*♂️

I know what I wrote. But thanks for writing it again. I stand by it. Cool emojis too mate. Clever and that.

[Zambernardi1875]

I know what I wrote. But thanks for writing it again. I stand by it. Cool emojis too mate. Clever and that.

Ah good so you’ve realised you compared doig moving to left mid is like stephens upfront.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I’ve genuinely no idea, I was just offering a possible explanation. Whatever it is they need to get it sorted, it’s happening far too often.

Same here mate - it’s a genuine question. If I was guessing I’d say zonal is only from set pieces.

Agree it’s been far too familiar a sight this season.

[easty]

Ah good so you’ve realised you compared doig moving to left mid is like stephens upfront.

It’s like it cos it’s a ***** suggestion.

[flash]

It’s like it cos it’s a ***** suggestion.

Turns out some of us don't think it is.

[WhileTheChief..]

How did such an innocuous suggestion lead to such an argument?!

Scared to comment on Doig from now on.

[flash]

How did such an innocuous suggestion lead to such an argument?!

Scared to comment on Doig from now on.

Whatever you do don't talk about Mathie instead!

[JimBHibees]

How did such an innocuous suggestion lead to such an argument?!

Scared to comment on Doig from now on.

:greengrin

[Iggy Pope]

How did such an innocuous suggestion lead to such an argument?!

Scared to comment on Doig from now on.

I suppose when you look at the protagonists then it’s not that surprising that it becomes a healthy old debate.

[lord bunberry]

Turns out some of us don't think it is.
Has he ever played in midfield?

[easty]

Turns out some of us don't think it is.

So?

[flash]

Has he ever played in midfield?

Wing back is kind of midfield isn't it?

[WhileTheChief..]

Whatever you do don't talk about Mathie instead!

and i definitely can't comment on tickets for Old Firm fans at ER!

Maybe Drey Wright will play on Thursday....:greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Has he ever played in midfield?

Wing back in a 352 is a wide midfield role

[lord bunberry]

Wing back is kind of midfield isn't it?
I get where you’re coming from but I’m not sure there’s much evidence to say he’d make a decent midfielder. He can get forward and put in a decent cross, but he’d need far more than that to play in midfield. He’d need to play like an extra striker at times during a game and chip in with a few goals every season. It’s happened before hat players have made the switch, but I can’t see Doig making that switch to be honest.

[MWHIBBIES]

Wing back in a 352 is a wide midfield role

It definitely isn't. Not the way we played that formation anyway.

People always suggest this for Scotland too. Doesn't happen there either.

[JimBHibees]

It definitely isn't. Not the way we played that formation anyway.

People always suggest this for Scotland too. Doesn't happen there either.

How is it not. It is a midfield 5 hence 352. Wide players will start higher but will be expected to cover the wide area all game. Sometimes left back in a 5 sometimes left wing getting forward.

[flash]

It definitely isn't. Not the way we played that formation anyway.

People always suggest this for Scotland too. Doesn't happen there either.

So when Boyle plays wide right in that formation he is mainly playing as a defender?

[easty]

So when Boyle plays wide right in that formation he is mainly playing as a defender?

Attacking players when played at wing back will be more likely to be more attacking. Defenders when played at wing back will be more like a defender.

It’s no FIFA on the PlayStation. Putting Doig at left wing back and Boyle at right wing back doesn’t give you the same outlet on each side.

[Inconsequential]

Arthur Duncan a flying left winger for Hibs ended up playing left back for Hibs. Iain Munro played left back and left midfield and the great Joe Tortolano was a left winger, left midfielder but played mostly at left back. This wing back position in the old days used to be called an overlapping full back. Ah, the good old days. Life was simple.

[Coach Jon]

I get where you’re coming from but I’m not sure there’s much evidence to say he’d make a decent midfielder. He can get forward and put in a decent cross, but he’d need far more than that to play in midfield. He’d need to play like an extra striker at times during a game and chip in with a few goals every season. It’s happened before hat players have made the switch, but I can’t see Doig making that switch to be honest.

Just to let you know, I have followed Doigs career since he was at primary school until now.
Had always been a midfield player until he moved to Hibs a couple of years ago when he moved back to defence.

[easty]

Just to let you know, I have followed Doigs career since he was at primary school until now.
Had always been a midfield player until he moved to Hibs a couple of years ago when he moved back to defence.

He’d have been head and shoulders above everyone else at school. That’s why he’s a pro and the rest of them aren’t.

He joined Hibs, played in defence on loan at Queens Park, and plays in defence for us. He’a a defender.

[J-C]

Just to let you know, I have followed Doigs career since he was at primary school until now.
Had always been a midfield player until he moved to Hibs a couple of years ago when he moved back to defence.


But but but..that can't be as there are folk on here saying he can't play in another position :greengrin

It's not uncommon for players to change position or be good enough to be able to play in numerous ones. Ronaldo started as an out and out winger and is now one of the best strikers that's ever played, Bale started out as a left back and look at his career. Lewis Stevenson started of in the League cup final as a left midfielder in front of Murphy, he eventually took over the LB position but not immediately, Kujabi was LB in that 2012 final and then McGovern was LB for 2012-14.

[lord bunberry]

Just to let you know, I have followed Doigs career since he was at primary school until now.
Had always been a midfield player until he moved to Hibs a couple of years ago when he moved back to defence.
I thought that he played left back for hearts. I read that they released him because they already had Hickey in that position.

[easty]

But but but..that can't be as there are folk on here saying he can't play in another position :greengrin

It's not uncommon for players to change position or be good enough to be able to play in numerous ones. Ronaldo started as an out and out winger and is now one of the best strikers that's ever played, Bale started out as a left back and look at his career. Lewis Stevenson started of in the League cup final as a left midfielder in front of Murphy, he eventually took over the LB position but not immediately, Kujabi was LB in that 2012 final and then McGovern was LB for 2012-14.

Pretty sure Alan Mcgregor played up front for my high school team a few times.

Gerrard obv missed a trick today. Should’ve just chucked him up front. Prob would’ve beat Motherwell today.

[MWHIBBIES]

How is it not. It is a midfield 5 hence 352. Wide players will start higher but will be expected to cover the wide area all game. Sometimes left back in a 5 sometimes left wing getting forward. I think they are quite different. The way Hibs play it, the back 5 often becomes a 4. So Doig is next to Hanlon all game, even covering for him. Thats very different from say a 4-4-2, where Doig has to take guys on 1v1, especially as Lewis isn't going to be bombing past him. If a striker pulls wide, he has to go into that space etc. I'd be expecting a wide midifielder to be making changes, pulling players to him etc like Murphy does. Thats very different from being a full back or a wing back IMO. Can I ask, if this was so easily done, why have Scotland never done it with 2 excellent attacking fullbacks?

[MWHIBBIES]

So when Boyle plays wide right in that formation he is mainly playing as a defender? No, not at all. McGinn is very flexible, he almost does both jobs. And comparing Boyles offensive ability to Doigs is silly. Boyle is a natural winger, he can play that role in an attacking way.

[JimBHibees]

I think they are quite different. The way Hibs play it, the back 5 often becomes a 4. So Doig is next to Hanlon all game, even covering for him. Thats very different from say a 4-4-2, where Doig has to take guys on 1v1, especially as Lewis isn't going to be bombing past him. If a striker pulls wide, he has to go into that space etc. I'd be expecting a wide midifielder to be making changes, pulling players to him etc like Murphy does. Thats very different from being a full back or a wing back IMO. Can I ask, if this was so easily done, why have Scotland never done it with 2 excellent attacking fullbacks?

He will of course be next to Hanlon on occasion usually when ball is on other side of the pitch with opposition to provide cover. When we have the ball he is up the pitch playing as a wide midfielder or winger would getting forward getting crosses in or getting into the box. Scotland don't have two excellent attacking full backs they have two left backs or wing backs and ODonnell a full back or Fraser or Forrest wingers on the right. Entirely down to the individual player.

[Skol]

Just to let you know, I have followed Doigs career since he was at primary school until now.
Had always been a midfield player until he moved to Hibs a couple of years ago when he moved back to defence.

Full backs tend to be players that were not good enough to be midfielders

[Iggy Pope]

I’ll be watching the next game in an entirely different light. This has been a proper coaching lesson this wee thread so it has.

[MWHIBBIES]

He will of course be next to Hanlon on occasion usually when ball is on other side of the pitch with opposition to provide cover. When we have the ball he is up the pitch playing as a wide midfielder or winger would getting forward getting crosses in or getting into the box. Scotland don't have two excellent attacking full backs they have two left backs or wing backs and ODonnell a full back or Fraser or Forrest wingers on the right. Entirely down to the individual player. Scotland do have 2 excellent attacking fullbacks. Robertson and Tierney. Why have they never tried one of them on left mid?

[Zambernardi1875]

I think they are quite different. The way Hibs play it, the back 5 often becomes a 4. So Doig is next to Hanlon all game, even covering for him. Thats very different from say a 4-4-2, where Doig has to take guys on 1v1, especially as Lewis isn't going to be bombing past him. If a striker pulls wide, he has to go into that space etc. I'd be expecting a wide midifielder to be making changes, pulling players to him etc like Murphy does. Thats very different from being a full back or a wing back IMO. Can I ask, if this was so easily done, why have Scotland never done it with 2 excellent attacking fullbacks?

You last bit is a great point, Scotland’s left hand side have 2 of the best in the world they should be running amok on the left at international football. Both haven’t been nearly at club form so why not give it a go. This ingrained thought that players can’t be flexible in 2/3 positions, especially on the same side is probably a part of the reason why we are absolutely murder in European and international football for decades.

[JimBHibees]

Scotland do have 2 excellent attacking fullbacks. Robertson and Tierney. Why have they never tried one of them on left mid?

Robertson plays wing back in a 352 both play same side.

[Greenbeard]

Late catching up on the highlights. FWIW now at this advanced stage of the thread I think you could apportion blame to varying degrees on McGinn, Boyle, Allan, Porteous, Hanlon, Macey, and Doig. But look at this way; if Hibs had scored that goal, this place would be fulsome in its praise for the goalscorer getting free, nicking in ahead of the defender and getting down low to steer a diving header into the corner. Same goes for their first goal. Had Nisbet, Murphy or Doig cut in off the left to score that goal they'd be on a pedestal.

[BlackSheep]

Full backs tend to be players that were not good enough to be midfielders

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[Peevemor]

Late catching up on the highlights. FWIW now at this advanced stage of the thread I think you could apportion blame to varying degrees on McGinn, Boyle, Allan, Porteous, Hanlon, Macey, and Doig. But look at this way; if Hibs had scored that goal, this place would be fulsome in its praise for the goalscorer getting free, nicking in ahead of the defender and getting down low to steer a diving header into the corner. Same goes for their first goal. Had Nisbet, Murphy or Doig cut in off the left to score that goal they'd be on a pedestal.

I've made similar comments in the past. There are times when we can do better, but sometimes we over analyse things - it's always easier with hindsight and while watching on a screen.

[neil7908]

I've made similar comments in the past. There are times when we can do better, but sometimes we over analyse things - it's always easier with hindsight and while watching on a screen.

Agree with this. I tend to be critical when we lose a goal and I think both on Saturday were preventable... But I guess they are all!

Only thing I'd add is we definitely look vulnerable to crosses this season. It's a good chunk of the goals we've lost coming from balls into the box. I don't think blaming 1 player will solve the issue but I was disappointed in how we seemed to sit back and just soak up the pressure at 2-1. St Mirren hit the post before they scored and the goal was definitely coming.

After Saturday and the Dundee game we need to start seeing out games more professionally.

[RIP]

I see three persistent faults with Hibs Teams. A combination of all three cost us that late equaliser in my opinion.

1. Defending a lead and inviting a distant wave of attacks in the last twenty minutes
2. Ball watching. On this occasion by McGinn, our centre halves, Allan (he didn’t spot the run early enough) and Doig (Who didn’t spot it at all).
3. Not taking personal responsibility but leaving it to someone else. All of the above plus the Keeper need to own up.

[neil7908]

I see three persistent faults with Hibs Teams. A combination of all three cost us that late equaliser in my opinion.

1. Defending a lead and inviting a distant wave of attacks in the last twenty minutes
2. Ball watching. On this occasion by McGinn, our centre halves, Allan (he didn’t spot the run early enough) and Doig (Who didn’t spot it at all).
3. Not taking personal responsibility but leaving it to someone else. All of the above plus the Keeper need to own up.

I think this is about right. We will always lose goals but the number this season from balls into the box is undoubtedly a worry.

I just hope we are working really hard on this in the training ground. If we'd conceded late to Sevco, Celtic etc is no less frustrating as a fan, but more understandable.

But Dundee and St Mirren are 12th and 10th respectively. We should be winning these games and to see points dropped in both in a similar fashion is definitely something that needs addressed. We have much harder tests coming up.

[LaMotta]

Clearly he isn't at the moment but I think he has the attributes to do really well further up the park. Wing back suits him better than a flat back four as far as I can see.

:agree:

[hibee_nation]

Lets be honest how many of us were surprised St Mirren equalised late on. Soon as Gocic is on you know we are gonna try and hold on to a one goal lead. Be better putting another striker on and going for the 3rd to kill the game.

[LaMotta]

The boy was like 10 yards away from McGinn because McGinn had had to come inside. Sorry but if a full back is 2v1 he's basically ****ed already. Boyle MIA


Just watched the goal back several times. Blaming Boyle is quite frankly an astonishing take on the situation.

McGinn isn't 2 on 1, and he doesn't come inside to track a man - he moves inside slightly ( as he should) because the ball is played centrally.

[easty]

Just watched the goal back several times. Blaming Boyle is quite frankly an astonishing take on the situation.

McGinn isn't 2 on 1, and he doesn't come inside to track a man - he moves inside slightly ( as he should) because the ball is played centrally.

:agree:

McGinn has one man, and hes too far away from him.

Boyle has 0% of the blame for the goal we lose.

[Hibernian Verse]

Just watched the equaliser back for the first time since Saturday and my takes are;

1) McGinn far too far away to close down the crosser
2) Scott Allan tries to block Shaughnessy but he's too strong and gets a run on Doig
3) Doig ballwatching

Hopefully we can sort this out in the coming weeks, starting with a clean sheet on Thursday.

[LaMotta]

:agree:

McGinn has one man, and hes too far away from him.

Boyle has 0% of the blame for the goal we lose.

:agree:


Just watched the equaliser back for the first time since Saturday and my takes are;

1) McGinn far too far away to close down the crosser
2) Scott Allan tries to block Shaughnessy but he's too strong and gets a run on Doig
3) Doig ballwatching

Hopefully we can sort this out in the coming weeks, starting with a clean sheet on Thursday.

:agree:

I think McGinn's starting position is ok. Main criticism is he doesnt then get out quick enough to put pressure on the crosser. That may or may not stop the cross but at the very least he would have done his best to put him off.

Scott Allan has 2 men on edge of the box. Ok he lets scorer go but that shouldnt be a problem if Doig is aware and not flat footed.

I'm almost certain that Doig will be getting the brunt of any criticism in the dressing room for the equaliser.

Doig was instrumental in our equaliser though flying down the wing. I'm puzzled why some people have been so dismissive of Flash's suggestion that he might be more effective further forward in a regular basis.

[MWHIBBIES]

Just watched the goal back several times. Blaming Boyle is quite frankly an astonishing take on the situation.

McGinn isn't 2 on 1, and he doesn't come inside to track a man - he moves inside slightly ( as he should) because the ball is played centrally.

I think for the goal you are right, yeah. But many other times in the match, McGinn was left 2v1, as was Doig

[Allant1981]

I think for the goal you are right, yeah. But many other times in the match, McGinn was left 2v1, as was Doig

Happens quite a lot now, must be frustrating for them getting no help

[lyonhibs]

:agree:

McGinn has one man, and hes too far away from him.

Boyle has 0% of the blame for the goal we lose.

Agreed. All this talk of a 2 v 1 had me thinking he was caught between the devil and the deep blue sea with no good option available to him.

He was just far too slow to get out to the cross. All he needed to do was pat a team mate on the arse and he'd have been doing a passable impression of Abderraouf "Concrete Boots" Zarabi himself

[B.H.F.C]

Agreed. All this talk of a 2 v 1 had me thinking he was caught between the devil and the deep blue sea with no good option available to him.

He was just far too slow to get out to the cross. All he needed to do was pat a team mate on the arse and he'd have been doing a passable impression of Abderraouf "Concrete Boots" Zarabi himself

You can’t stop every cross but he made absolutely no effort to stop that one, that’s what I found really poor about it. It’s just lazy defending.

[Unseen work]

For me there’s a couple of points for the goal.

In the build up to it look at the gap between McGinn and the next centre half Porteous, that’s when the ball first goes wide to Brophy in the build up to the goal and already we’re on the edge of our box when the man in possession is about 40 yards out. With Brophy out of the box that means Porteous and Hanlon were on the edge just defending Main.

He comes forward and there’s a couple of passes before the ball eventually goes wide to Tanser who gets the assist.

Tanser (who made the initial pass to the wideman) continues his run and overlaps. Boyle instead of following Tanser decides to press Brophy who passes it back to Fraser.

At this point for me the whole team should be higher up and Newell, Magennis and Gogic should be the ones pressing Brophy and the other midfielders which allows Boyle to go with Tanser. If you look at the freeze frames we have plenty bodies but none doing much.

I’m actually ok with McGinns positioning given the circumstances, any wider and one pass between him and Porteous cuts us open as it would be a huge gap. He doesn’t get there quick enough but it’s the 87th minute.

Porteous and Hanlon start off in good positions for the cross but both, more so Hanlon, gets sucked towards the ball and is more or less on top of Porteous as he jumps for it. Hanlon getting sucked in and going for the ball essentially leaves the gap where Shaugnessy scores from.

Scott Allan is with Shaughnessy at the edge of the box and gets out muscled, did he give Doig a shout? If you look at the whole clip there’s a few instances where other players run off of ours and you just see them allowing to go and pointing to him. See Boyle and Magennis with Brophy.

Doig isn’t aware of what’s around him and it’s a last ditch weak effort to stop Shaugnessy.

It’s a weak weak goal to concede.

How a player heads in a ball which is foot height bang in the middle of the 6 yard box I’ll never know.

Too deep to begin with, fail to stop the cross, poor positioning/get attracted to the ball and then poor awareness/communication.

[CMurdoch]

I originally blamed Doig for the 2nd goal but after slo mo tracking all the players the only person that could have prevented that goal was Macey.Every other player had a task, Macey takes a pace forward as the cross is struck but moves back. The goal is lost at that point given what else is occurring at the same time. The ball passes over Hanlon's head immediately on front of Macey and that would have been the moment he would have punched it away preventing the goal.

[JimBHibees]

I originally blamed Doig for the 2nd goal but after slo mo tracking all the players the only person that could have prevented that goal was Macey.Every other player had a task, Macey takes a pace forward as the cross is struck but moves back. The goal is lost at that point given what else is occurring at the same time. The ball passes over Hanlon's head immediately on front of Macey and that would have been the moment he would have punched it away preventing the goal.

Looking at it again no idea where Hanlon was going to be honest.

[CMurdoch]

Looking at it again no idea where Hanlon was going to be honest.He was marking Main

[JimBHibees]

He was marking Main

Wasn't anywhere near the cross though

[Iggy Pope]

Is it time yet to knock it in the head and blame the lot of them?

[Tully]

Another cross ball goal dissected and again very much avoidable, will this be the last time we discuss this I doubt it very much

[easty]

Looking at it again no idea where Hanlon was going to be honest.

Hanlons quite clearly marking the striker. As he should be. The striker moves across to try to win the header, and Hanlon does exactly what he should do and tracks him.

If Hanlon doesn’t go with Main, and he scores then we’d have 15 nonsense threads on “how he’s past it, needs replaced and is never a captain.”

[CMurdoch]

Wasn't anywhere near the cross thoughAre you suggesting he should have left Main unmarked?That is only a smart move after the fact.

[MWHIBBIES]

Another cross ball goal dissected and again very much avoidable, will this be the last time we discuss this I doubt it very much You're right, this wont be the last avoidable goal Hibs ever lose from a cross.

[JimBHibees]

Hanlons quite clearly marking the striker. As he should be. The striker moves across to try to win the header, and Hanlon does exactly what he should do and tracks him.

If Hanlon doesn’t go with Main, and he scores then we’d have 15 nonsense threads on “how he’s past it, needs replaced and is never a captain.”

Maybe so just looked a bit silly the ball going over his head to where he originally was.

[JimBHibees]

Are you suggesting he should have left Main unmarked?That is only a smart move after the fact.

Not normally though given where the ball ended up possibly if read the flight of the ball better. Agree only smart in hindsight.

[easty]

Maybe so just looked a bit silly the ball going over his head to where he originally was.

Is that not like blaming a keeper for diving when a penalty is hit down the middle?

[jacomo]

I get where you’re coming from but I’m not sure there’s much evidence to say he’d make a decent midfielder. He can get forward and put in a decent cross, but he’d need far more than that to play in midfield. He’d need to play like an extra striker at times during a game and chip in with a few goals every season. It’s happened before hat players have made the switch, but I can’t see Doig making that switch to be honest.


I’d love it if all our regular midfielders chipped in with a few goals each season.

[JimBHibees]

Is that not like blaming a keeper for diving when a penalty is hit down the middle?

Not really picking up the flight of any cross is an important skill for a central defender. Who knows Main may have been moving to the front post on the back of a shout from Shaungnessy to create space for him. Bottom line was he was he moved from a position he should have been able to head the ball to one he was nowhere near it.

[easty]

Not really picking up the flight of any cross is an important skill for a central defender. Who knows Main may have been moving to the front post on the back of a shout from Shaungnessy to create space for him. Bottom line was he was he moved from a position he should have been able to head the ball to one he was nowhere near it.

And if Main did move because of a shout to make space, then I’d still expect the man marking him to go with him, because the ball could still have gone to him. Mark your man. Hanlon did that.

It was Doig who was at fault.

[CMurdoch]

And if Main did move because of a shout to make space, then I’d still expect the man marking him to go with him, because the ball could still have gone to him. Mark your man. Hanlon did that. It was Doig who was at fault.

Doig has an out as well.
McGrath runs across the front post and Porteous covers and stops just beyond the front post.
Main also makes a run towards the front post and Hanlon covers that run.
Doig wraps round to cover the central position. He sees Allan marking Shaunessey at the edge of the box. Just as the cross is about to be made Doig turns his head to see it. As he does this Shaunessey bursts around the outside a flat footed Allan. This move takes him to the blindside of Doig before bursting across him to score.
Even Allan has a bit of an excuse given an extra man, McAllister was just outside the scorer so in effect Allan was watching two players and this may have played a part in the scorer stealing a march on him.
Accordingly this is why I decided Macey was the player who could have most easily stopped the goal by punching the cross clear. He comes forward as the cross is being struck but goes back. The cross ball then passes less than 3 yards in front of where he had been.

[Iggy Pope]

^^^^^^^^
Well holy ****ing catoly !

[flash]

Doig has an out as wellMcGrath runs across the front post and Porteous covers and stops just beyond the front post. Main also makes a run towards the front post and Hanlon covers that run. Doig wraps round to cover the central position. Doig is scanning and sees Allan marking Shaunessey at the edge of the box. Just as the cross is about to be made Doig turns his head to see the cross being made. As he does this Shaunessey bursts past outside Allan who is flat footed. This burst takes him to the blindside of Doig before bursting across him to score. Even Allan has a bit of an excuse given an extra man, McAllister was just outside the scorer so in effect Allan was watching two players and this may have played a part in the scorer stealing a march on him. Accordingly why I decided Macey was the player who could have most easily stopped the goal by punching the cross clear. He comes forward as the cross is being made but goes back. The cross ball then passes less than 3 yards in front of where he had been.

What he said.

[CMurdoch]

^^^^^^^^Well holy ****ing catoly !

P.S. After the ball hits the net Porteous goes ape **** at Doig. Bad boy Ryan.

[1620]

This is purely a personal view. I think too much is being asked of young Doig at the moment. He clearly has a lot to learn about the defensive part of his duties. JR however believes he is first pick for the left back position (and who am I to argue with him).
If the team are serious about securing third place again this year then it must be picking up 3 points against the likes of Dundee and St Mirren. I can’t see what is wrong with playing Lewis in that position and giving Josh minutes each week with a view to building his confidence whilst at the same time allowing him to improve his defensive abilities. I think it is unfair to single him out for blame given his lack of experience and worry that it could set him back.

[CMurdoch]

This is purely a personal view. I think too much is being asked of young Doig at the moment. He clearly has a lot to learn about the defensive part of his duties. JR however believes he is first pick for the left back position (and who am I to argue with him).
If the team are serious about securing third place again this year then it must be picking up 3 points against the likes of Dundee and St Mirren. I can’t see what is wrong with playing Lewis in that position and giving Josh minutes each week with a view to building his confidence whilst at the same time allowing him to improve his defensive abilities. I think it is unfair to single him out for blame given his lack of experience and worry that it could set him back.

Doig is doing fine.
Was overhyped last season and is being overcriticised now.
For the last time he was not at fault for St Mirrens 2nd goal.
Ross will know better than anyone when to rest him and Stevenson will be ready to do his thing.
Until then though he will keep adding experience.

[JimBHibees]

And if Main did move because of a shout to make space, then I’d still expect the man marking him to go with him, because the ball could still have gone to him. Mark your man. Hanlon did that.

It was Doig who was at fault.

To be honest I think that is fair enough.