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Unseen work

11-09-2021, 01:48 PM

Not looking good for our recruitment team when this sort of stuff comes out.

Last minute bids for

Jamie McGrath
Leigh Griffiths
Barrie McKay
Dion Charles

Also supposedly tried for Steven Fletcher and another couple.

Add in failing to get Jamie McCart.

I know there will always be players we fail to get and understand that, but when the manager was so vocal about getting more forwards in and we clearly waiting for McCart to not get him it doesn’t look great.

I imagine Ross is raging he never got a forward player in

Frazerbob

11-09-2021, 01:50 PM

Did we bid for them all? I have my doubts but, like the Sparky £150k bollocks, sure it’ll become ‘FACT’.

Bridge hibs

11-09-2021, 01:50 PM

Not looking good for our recruitment team when this sort of stuff comes out.

Last minute bids for

Jamie McGrath
Leigh Griffiths
Barrie McKay
Dion Charles

Also supposedly tried for Steven Fletcher and another couple.

I imagine Ross is raging he never got a forward player inSo why is it not looking good for our recruitment team ? We tried, couldnt get players, what do you suggest we could have done ?

Would you have been happy if we missed our targets and signed a nobody from Colchester or Newport instead ?

Iggy Pope

11-09-2021, 01:58 PM

So why is it not looking good for our recruitment team ? We tried, couldnt get players, what do you suggest we could have done ?

Would you have been happy if we missed our targets and signed a nobody from Colchester or Newport instead ?

:greengrin Couple of randoms there mind you. John Aldridge started at Newport! I’ve a Welsh mate that adores him to this day.

Unseen work

11-09-2021, 01:59 PM

So why is it not looking good for our recruitment team ? We tried, couldnt get players, what do you suggest we could have done ?

Would you have been happy if we missed our targets and signed a nobody from Colchester or Newport instead ?

The fact that Ross was vocal about getting an additional forward player in on numerous occasions and yet we never got one?

Griffiths was available all summer and if we made the decision we wanted him we could have got him if we moved quicker. Same could be said for McKay.

It seems for a couple it was only when we knew they were going to sign for others that we tried to get them. Even with JDH he was away to sign for Dundee United but we swooped in.

McGrath is different as we just ran out of time after it looking like he was going to England.

Northernhibee

11-09-2021, 02:00 PM

Callum_62

11-09-2021, 02:01 PM

The fact that Ross was vocal about getting an additional forward player in on numerous occasions and yet we never got one?

Griffiths was available all summer and if we made the decision we wanted him we could have got him if we moved quicker. Same could be said for McKay.

It seems for a couple it was only when we knew they were going to sign for others that we tried to get them. Even with JDH he was away to sign for Dundee United but we swooped in.

McGrath is different as we just ran out of time after it looking like he was going to England.Griffiths said he heard might be interested so tried or ring them

We didn't answer

Doesn't sound like we were interested to me

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Bridge hibs

11-09-2021, 02:08 PM

The fact that Ross was vocal about getting an additional forward player in on numerous occasions and yet we never got one?

Griffiths was available all summer and if we made the decision we wanted him we could have got him if we moved quicker. Same could be said for McKay.

It seems for a couple it was only when we knew they were going to sign for others that we tried to get them. Even with JDH he was away to sign for Dundee United but we swooped in.

McGrath is different as we just ran out of time after it looking like he was going to England.Yes, we wanted players but its not just a case of asking for them, it works both ways though. We had targets and tried to get them, if it fails at the other end then what can we do ? If a player or his club tell us to bolt how the hell can you blame our recruitment team ? Players were becoming available right up until the last minute and we tried, what more did you expect us to do and how can you pin that on the recruitment team ?

Bridge hibs

11-09-2021, 02:10 PM

:greengrin Couple of randoms there mind you. John Aldridge started at Newport! I’ve a Welsh mate that adores him to this day.It was random Iggy , dont know why I plucked those teams out 🤣 you are correct about Aldridge, cracking player 👍

tamig

11-09-2021, 02:25 PM

Griffiths said he heard might be interested so tried or ring them

We didn't answer

Doesn't sound like we were interested to me

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That Griffiths phone call story was dissected at the time and never really stacked up. Don’t think we were in for him.

Unseen work

11-09-2021, 02:25 PM

Yes, we wanted players but its not just a case of asking for them, it works both ways though. We had targets and tried to get them, if it fails at the other end then what can we do ? If a player or his club tell us to bolt how the hell can you blame our recruitment team ? Players were becoming available right up until the last minute and we tried, what more did you expect us to do and how can you pin that on the recruitment team ?

Look Ross wanted another forward player in and we never got one despite making several attempts for players, some of which had already agreed to join other clubs.

I don’t get what’s so hard to get, they’ve done a really good job recently overall but they failed to get another in for Ross and I’m sure he won’t hide his disappointment.

Bridge hibs

11-09-2021, 02:36 PM

Look Ross wanted another forward player in and we never got one despite making several attempts for players, some of which had already agreed to join other clubs.

I don’t get what’s so hard to get, they’ve done a really good job recently overall but they failed to get another in for Ross and I’m sure he won’t hide his disappointment.Read what you have just bloody posted, Ross wanted players but they joined other clubs, what the hell is he supposed to have done ? He identified signings but couldnt get them over the line for whatever reason, how can he or his recruitment team be blamed ? You and I dont know who his targets were, how realistic his targets were or how close we were to signing those targets, apart from McGrath obviously

CMurdoch

11-09-2021, 02:47 PM

Notice we tried to sign him on deadline day

Our offer apparently fell considerably below his clubs valuation of the player.
If true it sounds like we were chancing our luck and were politely told to bolt.

jeffers

11-09-2021, 02:48 PM

Bridge hibs

11-09-2021, 02:55 PM

I get that no team always gets their first choice targets, but isn’t the role of the recruitment team to have other options to move on to when we miss out ? It does feel like we were scrambling about last minute desperately trying to bring someone in.

And why we didn’t go for LG on loan I’ll never understand.Jack Ross is quoted on this thread or another about our signing policy, signing players to fit into our system, being able to improve the team. Players he identified probably moved off the radar as became too costly or moved elsewhere. I dont doubt he was as frustrated as we were but where does he go, 4th or 5th choice ? That would certainly keep the Ross out brigade happy

jeffers

11-09-2021, 02:59 PM

Unseen work

11-09-2021, 03:06 PM

Read what you have just bloody posted, Ross wanted players but they joined other clubs, what the hell is he supposed to have done ? He identified signings but couldnt get them over the line for whatever reason, how can he or his recruitment team be blamed ? You and I dont know who his targets were, how realistic his targets were or how close we were to signing those targets, apart from McGrath obviously

Bloody hell you’re a touchy one.

You’re right, I’m sure Ross will be understanding we failed to get another forward player in even though he said weeks before deadline day…

If we wanted Griffiths etc we could have got him earlier, no need for the last minute bid.

Ross is the head coach, he’s been very open about how the recruitment team find available players based on what he wants. It’s different now to the manager signing players.

We’ve been told we have a back up plan for each position etc. Our potential signings should all be realistic and within our means, if not then what is the point?

And I have read my what I just “bloody posted”. Just because they tried doesn’t mean Ross will be happy, it’s football he will always want more especially when Murphy and Doidge got injured.

Ross and the recruitment team wanted another forward player in and failed to get one, there’s no more to it. They’ll be disappointed in that. That doesn’t mean we’ve not had a good window and done well.

Bridge hibs

11-09-2021, 03:08 PM

If our recruitment team are doing there job properly we should have 4-5 targets.Agree, and if those chose to remain at their clubs, agents dont budge or we are priced out, what targets do we then move onto, 6th to 10th ? Our no1 target could have 5 or 6 clubs after him, our fall back could have the same, what do we do ?

B.H.F.C

11-09-2021, 03:09 PM

Jack Ross is quoted on this thread or another about our signing policy, signing players to fit into our system, being able to improve the team. Players he identified probably moved off the radar as became too costly or moved elsewhere. I dont doubt he was as frustrated as we were but where does he go, 4th or 5th choice ? That would certainly keep the Ross out brigade happy

Every manager always says they only want players that can improve the team. It’s the oldest phrase in the book when they’re talking about transfers.

It’s fine identifying what you think is a good player but surely part of the identification process should be identifying whether or not you can actually get them. Chuck in that we didn’t manage to get the one we got agreed done, it doesn’t look great.

Bridge hibs

11-09-2021, 03:10 PM

Bloody hell you’re a touchy one.

You’re right, I’m sure Ross will be understanding we failed to get another forward player in even though he said weeks before deadline day…

If we wanted Griffiths etc we could have got him earlier, no need for the last minute bid.

Ross is the head coach, he’s been very open about how the recruitment team find available players based on what he wants. It’s different now to the manager signing players.

We’ve been told we have a back up plan for each position etc. Our potential signings should all be realistic and within our means, if not then what is the point?

And I have read my what I just “bloody posted”. Just because they tried doesn’t mean Ross will be happy, it’s football he will always want more especially when Murphy and Doidge got injured.

Jesus Christ just because I’m not saying everything is rosey people go in a sulk.

Ross and the recruitment team wanted another forward player in and failed to get one, there’s no more to it. They’ll be disappointed in that. That doesn’t mean we’ve not had a good window and done well.Im anything but touchy, I followed your posts on the transfer deadline thread and you were all over the shop, your continuing it today 🤣

You said its not looking good for our recruitment team, I asked what more could they have done ?

Anyway Im out, heres hoping for a win tomorrow 🇳🇬👍🇳🇬

superfurryhibby

11-09-2021, 03:15 PM

Jack Ross is quoted on this thread or another about our signing policy, signing players to fit into our system, being able to improve the team. Players he identified probably moved off the radar as became too costly or moved elsewhere. I dont doubt he was as frustrated as we were but where does he go, 4th or 5th choice ? That would certainly keep the Ross out brigade happy

There is no significant Ross out brigade though, is there? There are a handful of posters on here who relish any opportunity to stick the boot in to the club, regardless of who is manager. Then there is a larger group who back the manager, but still have reservations based around the capitulations in our biggest games last seasons and then we have an even larger group who fully support him.

I suspect Ross was a wee bit more frustrated than us. It's his job and professional reputation on the line. I think he wanted more in and it never happened, for whatever reason. IN part, I suspect we anticipated several outgoings and significant money coming in and that never happened

Bridge hibs

11-09-2021, 03:16 PM

Every manager always says they only want players that can improve the team. It’s the oldest phrase in the book when they’re talking about transfers.

It’s fine identifying what you think is a good player but surely part of the identification process should be identifying whether or not you can actually get them. Chuck in that we didn’t manage to get the one we got agreed done, it doesn’t look great.We didnt think we were going to get McGrath from St Mirren, he was heading south, but we missed out by a baw hair

Unseen work

11-09-2021, 03:17 PM

Im anything but touchy, I followed your posts on the transfer deadline thread and you were all over the shop, your continuing it today 🤣

You said its not looking good for our recruitment team, I asked what more could they have done ?

Anyway Im out, heres hoping for a win tomorrow 🇳🇬👍🇳🇬

You followed my posts?😂

All I’m saying is Ross was vocal about wanting a striker and we never got one. We don’t know why and to be frank it doesn’t really matter, we should have got one in.

Correct tomorrow is all that matters!

Bridge hibs

11-09-2021, 03:20 PM

There is no significant Ross out brigade though, is there? There are a handful of posters on here who relish any opportunity to stick the boot in to the club, regardless of who is manager. Then there is a larger group who back the manager, but still have reservations based around the capitulations in our biggest games last seasons and then we have an even larger group who fully support him.

I suspect Ross was a wee bit more frustrated than us. It's his job and professional reputation on the line. I think he wanted more in and it never happened, for whatever reason. IN part, I suspect we anticipated several outgoings and significant money coming in and that never happenedThere has been a large vocal element on here wanting JR out, lose tomorrow and watch this space 👍

Yes and thats my point, JR wanted players in, he didnt get them over the line, that in my opinion isnt a failure by him nor his recruitment team, **** happens

Bridge hibs

11-09-2021, 03:21 PM

Rumble de Thump

11-09-2021, 03:30 PM

You followed my posts?😂

All I’m saying is Ross was vocal about wanting a striker and we never got one. We don’t know why and to be frank it doesn’t really matter, we should have got one in.

Correct tomorrow is all that matters!

We signed a striker on loan. We have another one coming in at the end of the year, plus one coming back from injury. Apart from the ones we signed, though, I agree we didn't sign any.

Unseen work

11-09-2021, 03:40 PM

We signed a striker on loan. We have another one coming in at the end of the year, plus one coming back from injury. Apart from the ones we signed, though, I agree we didn't sign any.

He was vocal even after getting Scott.

I’m failing to see the relevance of mentioning Doidge who is out for months or a striker that’s not joined yet in your argument? We can play either for about 15 games so that doesn’t help anyone.

All I’m saying is we clearly wanted another in, no matter how you try make out we’ll have strikers in by a certain point that’s not what our manager wanted.

superfurryhibby

11-09-2021, 03:45 PM

There has been a large vocal element on here wanting JR out, lose tomorrow and watch this space ��

Yes and thats my point, JR wanted players in, he didnt get them over the line, that in my opinion isnt a failure by him nor his recruitment team, **** happens

Of course there will be the usual total meltdown, but I beg to differ and still feel it's a fairly small minority. I myself wasn't completely convinced by Ross at spells last season, particularly after the cup final. Like me, most folks have since cooled their discontent and got a bit perspective.

Not so sure on the recruitment front. I felt we got a bit lucky last season and that we never had enough options for the main striker role. We more or less had cover everywhere else. It is a key position, one where we should have recruited as a priority and we never managed it. That said, no massive blame, and certainly none for Ross.

jeffers

11-09-2021, 03:47 PM

Agree, and if those chose to remain at their clubs, agents dont budge or we are priced out, what targets do we then move onto, 6th to 10th ? Our no1 target could have 5 or 6 clubs after him, our fall back could have the same, what do we do ?

B.H.F.C. answered for me, but in setting targets they have to be realistic ones. And when we couldn’t get those in why didn’t we make more use of the loan market ?

Bridge hibs

11-09-2021, 03:54 PM

B.H.F.C. answered for me, but in setting targets they have to be realistic ones. And when we couldn’t get those in why didn’t we make more use of the loan market ?Again, perhaps what JR was looking for werent available ? I honestly dont know mate but reading some of the posts on here you would think the guys at East Mains switched the lights and phones off early doors. I can imagine it was the opposite

jeffers

11-09-2021, 04:37 PM

Again, perhaps what JR was looking for werent available ? I honestly dont know mate but reading some of the posts on here you would think the guys at East Mains switched the lights and phones off early doors. I can imagine it was the opposite

Admittedly we don’t know the facts but it does look like we were scrambling about last minute to get someone ? It doesn’t reflect well on the recruitment process.

andudare2

11-09-2021, 04:38 PM

You followed my posts?😂

All I’m saying is Ross was vocal about wanting a striker and we never got one. We don’t know why and to be frank it doesn’t really matter, we should have got one in.

Correct tomorrow is all that matters!as your stating we should have got one in does this mean any signing would have appeased you? As it panned out the targets we did go for either went somewhere else or just didn't fancy coming to us so what could the recruitment team have done about this.

B.H.F.C

11-09-2021, 04:41 PM

Again, perhaps what JR was looking for werent available ? I honestly dont know mate but reading some of the posts on here you would think the guys at East Mains switched the lights and phones off early doors. I can imagine it was the opposite

If you hold on all summer to get players, it’s fine if you get them. It was pretty clear we waited on McCart. Waited on the outcome of their European campaign basically which left us short for our own. And we still ended up without him.

They’ve had plenty praise for retaining what we had but we’ve missed out on a number of targets so questions around that are more than fair IMO.

Rumble de Thump

11-09-2021, 04:44 PM

He was vocal even after getting Scott.

I’m failing to see the relevance of mentioning Doidge who is out for months or a striker that’s not joined yet in your argument? We can play either for about 15 games so that doesn’t help anyone.

All I’m saying is we clearly wanted another in, no matter how you try make out we’ll have strikers in by a certain point that’s not what our manager wanted.

How can you fail to understand that? We have players who can play up front and those options will be bolstered even more in the not too distant future. If the quality of player we wanted was available for the right kind of price we may well have brought someone else in. Jack Ross isn't an idiot. He understands that there are lots of factors at play during the transfer window.

Bridge hibs

11-09-2021, 04:47 PM

Admittedly we don’t know the facts but it does look like we were scrambling about last minute to get someone ? It doesn’t reflect well on the recruitment process.Again though, we identified signings to enhance the team, we didnt get them, thats no faukt of the recruitment team, although easy to point the finger. So we got rebuffed, onto our plan B, what level are we talking here ? That fails so we are left with possibly an unfit and unpredictable Griffiths, the guy mentioned above, or Cummings ? Heres a thought, Brian Graham has been banging them in for Partick, Simon Murray has found a bit of form with QP, or rather than sign a player on a whim JR has stuck to his guns.

By the way, Im looking forward to seeing the Raith laddie, him, JDH ans MaGennis could be some midfield, plus a new Striker or 2 in January 🤗

Bridge hibs

11-09-2021, 04:50 PM

If you hold on all summer to get players, it’s fine if you get them. It was pretty clear we waited on McCart. Waited on the outcome of their European campaign basically which left us short for our own. And we still ended up without him.

They’ve had plenty praise for retaining what we had but we’ve missed out on a number of targets so questions around that are more than fair IMO.St Johnstone held the cards mate, that wasnt a failure on hibs part. We did the same with Doig etc

1875Sean

11-09-2021, 04:53 PM

Our offer apparently fell considerably below his clubs valuation of the player.
If true it sounds like we were chancing our luck and were politely told to bolt.

I read that today, they rate him at 1.5million so would imagine it was a short conversation

Peevemor

11-09-2021, 04:53 PM

groundhog.net

Are we going to get the same sort of thread every time it's rumoured that we were interested in a player?

Unseen work

11-09-2021, 04:57 PM

How can you fail to understand that? We have players who can play up front and those options will be bolstered even more in the not too distant future. If the quality of player we wanted was available for the right kind of price we may well have brought someone else in. Jack Ross isn't an idiot. He understands that there are lots of factors at play during the transfer window.

Because part of the reason Jack Ross supposedly wanted an additional striker in is because ours are injured. Especially with Murphy getting injured then Scott might need to fill in at left wing.

He’ll be thinking of the present squad to get us where we need to be, not the options he’ll have 6 months time.

You’re right in 6 months time we could have brilliant options, if Doidge is fit by then.

Unseen work

11-09-2021, 04:59 PM

as your stating we should have got one in does this mean any signing would have appeased you? As it panned out the targets we did go for either went somewhere else or just didn't fancy coming to us so what could the recruitment team have done about this.

No, absolutely not.

I wouldn’t want them to bring in someone that they don’t consider is good enough to even compete in the squad.

Smartie

11-09-2021, 05:01 PM

The squad is very light in places. Given we know that we’re already carrying a few injuries and we’re still going through a pandemic that causes players to miss matches, we really needed to get a couple more signings over the line.

It’ll be luck rather than organisation or planning that sees us scrape through to January with what we have, then we’ll hopefully reinforce and have a strong finish to the season.

Sometimes you have to sign players for the sheer hell of it. Sometimes you need to push the boat out to get a signing over the line, and sometimes you need to bring in a less inspiring player to do a job or patch a squad up short term. Obviously that can’t always be the case of you end up in serious bother, but at times of need (such as having one fit striker) then different measures might be called for.

There are rumours of some players being out tomorrow (I’m not going to elaborate). But if it’s the case that we find ourselves going into a crucial derby with a thin squad in early September then that’s pretty unforgivable.

We can wait and see what tomorrow brings, but I’m certainly hacked off that we were unprepared for Europe then when it became clear none of our players were going to move on that we started lowballing clubs for their assets late in the window. It’s not an approach that’s going to get us anywhere imo.

Smartie

11-09-2021, 05:04 PM

groundhog.net

Are we going to get the same sort of thread every time it's rumoured that we were interested in a player?

Probably. But I expect them to die down every time we get a transfer over the line, or when the manager clearly outlines what he thinks he needs and we successfully make it happen.

I like Jack Ross. Not fully convinced but I think we have a lot to work with with him, and it irritates me that we aren’t maybe giving him the backing he wants or needs.

Bridge hibs

11-09-2021, 05:05 PM

groundhog.net

Are we going to get the same sort of thread every time it's rumoured that we were interested in a player?Whats your problem, the debate up until now has been decent ?

I dont post or contribute as often as I would want to due to work but I think all contributions are valid, apart from your recent input

PH91

11-09-2021, 05:07 PM

All I’m saying is we clearly wanted another in, no matter how you try make out we’ll have strikers in by a certain point that’s not what our manager wanted.

That is right but by all accounts if another striker had come in then gullan would have left. That suggests it wasn't another striker he wanted but a better one than gullan.

Unfortunately we didn't get a deal done but ross has been massively backed this summer and still has nisbet, scott and gullan as striking options as well as boyle. He has no excuses in terms of recruitment as far as I'm concerned, not that I think he would.

Smartie

11-09-2021, 05:11 PM

Unseen work

11-09-2021, 05:14 PM

That is right but by all accounts if another striker had come in then gullan would have left. That suggests it wasn't another striker he wanted but a better one than gullan.

Unfortunately we didn't get a deal done but ross has been massively backed this summer and still has nisbet, scott and gullan as striking options as well as boyle. He has no excuses in terms of recruitment as far as I'm concerned, not that I think he would.

True and valid point. I think that’s it, he doesn’t have real trust in Gullan so wanted someone in to play that role and be more useful to the squad.

Agree he’s been backed and it’s been a good window by retaining our better players and signing good players.

With what Ron’s said in the press I think there’s just a real excitement of what we are going to try to do - stuff like doubling the wage bill etc and how we do our recruitment. Makes the expectations go up (maybe unfairly so) but I think we’ll get there

Even though I’ve said I’m disappointed we never got another striker it doesn’t take away from all the other good stuff everyone at the club has done - something I think some reading my posts aren’t getting and seem to think it’s a full on attack of the club.

I’m still delighted with where the club is at, who is in charge and where we’re going.

blackpoolhibs

11-09-2021, 05:16 PM

I wish we'd been like Aberdeen, and got all our signings in who we wanted, and early to boot.

007

11-09-2021, 05:24 PM

groundhog.net

Are we going to get the same sort of thread every time it's rumoured that we were interested in a player?

I hear we're interested in Ned Ryerson from
Punxsutawney United. 😀

Peevemor

11-09-2021, 05:30 PM

Whats your problem, the debate up until now has been decent ?

I dont post or contribute as often as I would want to due to work but I think all contributions are valid, apart from your recent input

It's the same accusations and the same responses that we've seen over a number of threads since the window closed.

For what it's worth I agree with everything you've said. It's just unfortunate that we have to keep on saying it.

lord bunberry

11-09-2021, 05:31 PM

groundhog.net

Are we going to get the same sort of thread every time it's rumoured that we were interested in a player?
It would appear so. I couldn’t care less who we didn’t get, I only care about who is here and interested in playing for us. It’s the night before a derby and fans are getting their nickers in a twist over someone we probably weren’t ever going to sign.

Bridge hibs

11-09-2021, 05:32 PM

PH91

11-09-2021, 06:21 PM

True and valid point. I think that’s it, he doesn’t have real trust in Gullan so wanted someone in to play that role and be more useful to the squad.

Agree he’s been backed and it’s been a good window by retaining our better players and signing good players.

With what Ron’s said in the press I think there’s just a real excitement of what we are going to try to do - stuff like doubling the wage bill etc and how we do our recruitment. Makes the expectations go up (maybe unfairly so) but I think we’ll get there

Even though I’ve said I’m disappointed we never got another striker it doesn’t take away from all the other good stuff everyone at the club has done - something I think some reading my posts aren’t getting and seem to think it’s a full on attack of the club.

I’m still delighted with where the club is at, who is in charge and where we’re going.

Yeah, quite clear that he doesn't rate gullan highly but he has him until at least january now so he has to get the most out of him.

It will be interesting to see how gullan, allan and wright react to knowing we were happy to see them go, especially wright as i thought he was starting to finally look like he was getting a bit of belief in himself after being completely shot of it last season. I'd love him to score the winner tomorrow.

Spike Mandela

11-09-2021, 06:30 PM

Would rather we didn’t know. Every team has players they enquire about most seasons that they ‘miss out’ on, who cares?.

Basically we have what we have. What we might or might not have had is irrelevant. We have brought players in and we have talented players in the squad, hopefully they can do the biz.:aok:

superfurryhibby

11-09-2021, 07:59 PM

It's the same accusations and the same responses that we've seen over a number of threads since the window closed.

For what it's worth I agree with everything you've said. It's just unfortunate that we have to keep on saying it.

Isn't just about every conversation on every thread retreading the same old ground, if you look at it that way.

What do you think. Do you think Ross was happy with the end of the transfer window and do you think the squad might be a bit light up front?