The Rangers bigots singing sectarian songs

[PatHead]

Good to hear on the news that police are investigating sectarian singing seen on Facebook.

Have to ask why they have to act on Facebook footage though. Why are the police escorting them not filming it?

[weecounty hibby]

Good to hear on the news that police are investigating sectarian singing seen on Facebook.

Have to ask why they have to act on Facebook footage though. Why are the police escorting them not filming it?
Hibs should be taking a stand on this. (As should others) Our founding fathers were Irish immigrants and we are a fully inclusive modern Scottish club. Tell them to GTF and no tickets will be forthcoming for upcoming games at ER. If it was down to money I would gladly pay £10 on top of my ST to help. They are a huge stain on Scottish society and everyone should be taking a stand against them. Same applies to Celtic as well! Cut out the ***** or no tickets for ER

[Coco Bryce]

Good to hear on the news that police are investigating sectarian singing seen on Facebook.

Have to ask why they have to act on Facebook footage though. Why are the police escorting them not filming it?

The same Police Scotland who escorted them through the city while signing these racist/hate crime chants and done **** all about it at the time?

They are part of the problem.

[Keith_M]

Surely just watching the game on TV would be enough to confirm the sectarian singing.

TBH, I find it shocking that, a) this crap is still happening, and b) that their club, the press, the polis and the SG barely give it a 2nd thought, let alone try to stop it.

[CMurdoch]

Good to hear on the news that police are investigating sectarian singing seen on Facebook.

Have to ask why they have to act on Facebook footage though. Why are the police escorting them not filming it?

Don't know but putting it online is publishing so it is great evidence. Shows the crime and shows the culprit.
Like the idiots who filmed themselves on the bus and then published it online.
I suppose the balloons let their guard down when the Police are not about and happily do their party pieces.

[007]

Good to hear on the news that police are investigating sectarian singing seen on Facebook.

Have to ask why they have to act on Facebook footage though. Why are the police escorting them not filming it?

Why can't they investigate the sectarian signing at Ibrox? Should be easy with CCTV footage and season ticket seat numbers.

[weecounty hibby]

Should have added that surely some things are above money. What value is on ending bigotry, racism and intolerance? Clubs, SFA, SPFL, police and government need to do more and banning these clowns from grounds would be a start

[PatHead]

Don't know but putting it online is publishing so it is great evidence. Shows the crime and shows the culprit.
Like the idiots who filmed themselves on the bus and then published it online.
I suppose the balloons let their guard down when the Police are not about and happily do their party pieces.

Problem is that anyone picked up for singing the words will claim they were singing something very similar but non sectarian. It will be very difficult to prove otherwise.

[660]

Surely just watching the game on TV would be enough to confirm the sectarian singing.

TBH, I find it shocking that a) this craps is still happening, and b) that their club, the press, the polis and the SG barely give it a 2nd thought, let alone try to stop it.

The SG brought in OBFA in an attempt to deal with this issue though.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Surely just watching the game on TV would be enough to confirm the sectarian singing.

TBH, I find it shocking that a) this craps is still happening, and b) that their club, the press, the polis and the SG barely give it a 2nd thought, let alone try to stop it.
I think you'll find the Scottish Government did try and do sonething about it with the Offensive Behaviour At Football Act which the Labour Party,LibDums and Tories combined to have repealled to score a cheap political point to play to the whiney audience of football fans who were greeting their eyes out about being treated unfairly.

[Pretty Boy]

Everyone fell into line last season after the Glen Kamara incident when Rangers all but demanded it from us, and rightly so. That wasn't the time to point out the glaring hypocrisy of that whole period but the events of the last couple of weeks mean that now is. For a sizeable chunk of the Rangers fanbase the Kamara incident bothered them not because of the racism but because one of their own was the target.

Neil Lennon said it previously but we need to stop tempering our language around incidents like this. People all over Twitter last night using every euphemism in the book rather than calling it for what it is. It's outright anti Irish xenophobia. A song demanding people who are 3rd or 4th generation immigrants, forced to flee a famine, go home sung openly on our streets and no one is surprised because it happens all the ****ing time. Swap out Ireland for India, Pakistan, Poland, Nigeria or wherever and you would see no mitigation offered and no tempering of language. It's abhorrent but it's firmly ingrained in our culture. Anti Irish racism and anti Catholic bigotry is something to be downplayed, draw false equivalences about or joke about.

In football terms it's a Rangers problem but more than that it is a societal problem and one that has gone unchallenged or even been allowed by a kind of tacit approval for too long. It seems the targets are finally starting to find their voices and call it out. It's time for it to be taken seriously.

[CMurdoch]

Problem is that anyone picked up for singing the words will claim they were singing something very similar but non sectarian. It will be very difficult to prove otherwise.

I think that is the major problem in grounds when thousands are singing the songs.
It's certainly the obvious defence in court.
Less of an issue when you have the recent scenario on the bus.
I think you will find they will plead guilty or a lip reading witness will give expert testimony and blow the defence to pieces.

[JeMeSouviens]

Why can't they investigate the sectarian signing at Ibrox? Should be easy with CCTV footage and season ticket seat numbers.

Who needs CCTV? They get invited into the dressing room. :rolleyes:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-BGHuSWQAEMmUr?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Pretty Boy]

The SG brought in OBFA in an attempt to deal with this issue though.

The OBFA was piss poor legislation. One of the architects of it said as much on social media last night.

The issue wasn't scrapping it, the real problem was not having something more fit for purpose in place to replace it when it was scrapped.

[CMurdoch]

Should have added that surely some things are above money. What value is on ending bigotry, racism and intolerance? Clubs, SFA, SPFL, police and government need to do more and banning these clowns from grounds would be a start

As we have seen with the pandemic nothing is above money.
It really is the thing people care most about and shout early, loud and long when they might lose some.

[660]

The OBFA was piss poor legislation. One of the architects of it said as much on social media last night.

The issue wasn't scrapping it, the real problem was not having something more fit for purpose in place to replace it when it was scrapped.

I agree but it’s wrong to say the SG are ignoring the issue.

[CMurdoch]

Good to hear on the news that police are investigating sectarian singing seen on Facebook.

Have to ask why they have to act on Facebook footage though. Why are the police escorting them not filming it?

This may answer your question

Assistant Chief Constable Higgins said officers on patrol had come across the group in the city centre on Sunday.


"We did not facilitate this event and to say so is inaccurate," he said.


"Due to the numbers and to ensure public and officer safety, additional officers were called to assist and, at this point, individuals' details were noted and the group dispersed.


"A retrospective investigation into this anti-Irish Catholic singing has been launched and we are following up a number of lines of inquiry, including reviewing CCTV footage and footage on social media.


"I fully expect a number of arrests to be made."


He went on to say that anti-Irish Catholic behaviour was "wholly unacceptable".


ACC Higgins added: "The challenges of the sectarianism still evident in some parts of Scotland are a much broader societal problem and, whilst policing will have a role to play in addressing the symptoms, its causes are a problem which require a more effective, joined-up, civic response."

[PatHead]

I agree but it’s wrong to say the SG are ignoring the issue.
I notice Labour, the Greens and the Government have spoken out about the singing. Where is the Tories spokesperson?

Until all parties start to treat this seriously things will not change. A real political effort has to be made.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Who needs CCTV? They get invited into the dressing room. :rolleyes:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-BGHuSWQAEMmUr?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

It looks like a scene from eastern Europe or some provincial Russian city where these mobs dictate to and control the club through intimidation, bribary and downright thuggery.

Blackshirted goons.

[lord bunberry]

Can the Scottish government not force strict liability on football clubs? Until stands or stadiums are closed or points docked it won’t stop. For my entire life this subject crops up and nothing happens, the cycle is repeated over and over again. I don’t have any confidence it will be different this time. Fans of other clubs need to do their bit as well and pressure their boards to ban the huns from away games rally round their clubs to make up the shortfall in ticket sales.

[Pete70]

Will the The Rangers board be as quick to issue bans over this as they were to ban fans after the bus footage emerged last week? Silence from them so far.

[The_Sauz]

The same Police Scotland who escorted them through the city while signing these racist/hate crime chants and done **** all about it at the time?

They are part of the problem.
Was thinking that when I was reading the article! Police Scotland and politicians will do absolutely nothing about this because : (A) It's not classed as racist (B) It's part of British Society, stemming from the Royal Family down! :agree:

[The Harp Awakes]

Everyone fell into line last season after the Glen Kamara incident when Rangers all but demanded it from us, and rightly so. That wasn't the time to point out the glaring hypocrisy of that whole period but the events of the last couple of weeks mean that now is. For a sizeable chunk of the Rangers fanbase the Kamara incident bothered them not because of the racism but because one of their own was the target.

Neil Lennon said it previously but we need to stop tempering our language around incidents like this. People all over Twitter last night using every euphemism in the book rather than calling it for what it is. It's outright anti Irish xenophobia. A song demanding people who are 3rd or 4th generation immigrants, forced to flee a famine, go home sung openly on our streets and no one is surprised because it happens all the ****ing time. Swap out Ireland for India, Pakistan, Poland, Nigeria or wherever and you would see no mitigation offered and no tempering of language. It's abhorrent but it's firmly ingrained in our culture. Anti Irish racism and anti Catholic bigotry is something to be downplayed, draw false equivalences about or joke about.

In football terms it's a Rangers problem but more than that it is a societal problem and one that has gone unchallenged or even been allowed by a kind of tacit approval for too long. It seems the targets are finally starting to find their voices and call it out. It's time for it to be taken seriously.

Yip, nail on the head.

So many of the Rangers support (not a minority), sing this kind of stuff so often, it's somehow acceptable to the police and football authorities. The only way it's ever going to stop, is to call it out every single time and deal with the numbskulls, so that they know there will be consequences when they scream their bile.

The problem Rangers have of course, is that their very existence is linked to sectarian bigotry. Even if Rangers had the motivation to deal with their supporters' sectarianism and ban them, Ibrox would be empty. For that reason, they'll stick their heads in the sand and blame Celtic.

[hibbyfraelibby]

The OBFA was piss poor legislation. One of the architects of it said as much on social media last night.

The issue wasn't scrapping it, the real problem was not having something more fit for purpose in place to replace it when it was scrapped.

I disagree with it being piss poor. It was designed to do a job and was resisted by the fans because they thought they were being targetted. Well they were being targettef because fans were the problem, not all of them but fans none the less. It wasn't designed to address a problem in the local knitting circle.

Still waiting to hear from the whinney wing of football what they would actually do about rather than behave lije irresponsible brats stamping their feet.

[The_Sauz]

Will the The Rangers board be as quick to issue bans over this as they were to ban fans after the bus footage emerged last week? Silence from them so far.
I would be very surprised if The Rangers have banned anybody. It's all media talk and nothing more!:agree:

[CMurdoch]

Hibs should be taking a stand on this. (As should others) Our founding fathers were Irish immigrants and we are a fully inclusive modern Scottish club. Tell them to GTF and no tickets will be forthcoming for upcoming games at ER. If it was down to money I would gladly pay £10 on top of my ST to help. They are a huge stain on Scottish society and everyone should be taking a stand against them. Same applies to Celtic as well! Cut out the ***** or no tickets for ER

You say Hibs should take a stand on this.
Hibs are a business and nothing is more important to them than money.
They dress it up well but that is the bottom line.

What about HSL?
They could literally take a "stand" if sectarian singing at Easter Road is the most important issue to them as Hibs supporters.
However, I suspect giving their money to Hibs to put better players on the pitch is more important to most of the contributors, including myself, than spending it to cover the loss of the blue and lesser green pound.

Sadly money, the team on the pitch and loads of other things are more important to folk than sectarian behaviour to actually do something about it even in their own backyard.

[ronaldo7]

The OBFA was piss poor legislation. One of the architects of it said as much on social media last night.

The issue wasn't scrapping it, the real problem was not having something more fit for purpose in place to replace it when it was scrapped.

I thought James Kelly, Labour Msp was going to come forward with a new bill filling in the gaps?

[ABZHFC]

I think you'll find the Scottish Government did try and do sonething about it with the Offensive Behaviour At Football Act which the Labour Party,LibDums and Tories combined to have repealled to score a cheap political point to play to the whiney audience of football fans who were greeting their eyes out about being treated unfairly.

You sure are consistent in talking utter mince, I’ll give you that. Makes me honestly amazed that we support the same club sometimes hahaha

[superfurryhibby]

I think you'll find the Scottish Government did try and do sonething about it with the Offensive Behaviour At Football Act which the Labour Party,LibDums and Tories combined to have repealled to score a cheap political point to play to the whiney audience of football fans who were greeting their eyes out about being treated unfairly.

https://sourcenews.scot/its-all-over-offensive-behaviour-at-football-act-repealed/#:~:text=The%20OBFA%20repeal%20bill%2C%20initiated %20by%20Labour%20MSP,the%20public%20gallery%20upon %20the%20repeal%E2%80%99s%20successful%20passage.

The OBFA repeal bill, initiated by Labour MSP James Kelly, marks the culmination of a years-long campaign by opposition parties – including Labour, the Scottish Conservatives, the Scottish Liberal Democrats, the Scottish Greens and the Scottish Socialist Party – as well as civil liberties campaigners, legal experts and football fan associations, most notable Fans Against Criminalisation (FAC), members of whom applauded from the public gallery upon the repeal’s successful passage.

The OBFA, a landmark piece of legislation intended to confront the issues of sectarianism and bigotry in Scottish football, was passed in 2011, at which time the SNP enjoyed an absolute majority. It was the first piece of legislation in the Scottish Parliament’s history to be passed by a single party. Its overturning is a blow to the Scottish Government, which has opposed its repeal until the end.

Commenting in the aftermath of the repeal vote, James Kelly said: “This legislation has been completely discredited and I am delighted that my bill has led to its repeal.

“Since the SNP government used its previous parliamentary majority to force the legislation through, it has been repeatedly criticised by legal experts, fans’ groups and equalities organisations.

[ABZHFC]

I disagree with it being piss poor. It was designed to do a job and was resisted by the fans because they thought they were being targetted. Well they were being targettef because fans were the problem, not all of them but fans none the less. It wasn't designed to address a problem in the local knitting circle.

Still waiting to hear from the whinney wing of football what they would actually do about rather than behave lije irresponsible brats stamping their feet.

I would use existing legislation that is in place to deal with racism and sectarianism as and when it happens. I would not support an act that saw 2 Accies fans put in the cells overnight for singing “Well, Well, **** yer Well”

[superfurryhibby]

Everyone fell into line last season after the Glen Kamara incident when Rangers all but demanded it from us, and rightly so. That wasn't the time to point out the glaring hypocrisy of that whole period but the events of the last couple of weeks mean that now is. For a sizeable chunk of the Rangers fanbase the Kamara incident bothered them not because of the racism but because one of their own was the target.

Neil Lennon said it previously but we need to stop tempering our language around incidents like this. People all over Twitter last night using every euphemism in the book rather than calling it for what it is. It's outright anti Irish xenophobia. A song demanding people who are 3rd or 4th generation immigrants, forced to flee a famine, go home sung openly on our streets and no one is surprised because it happens all the ****ing time. Swap out Ireland for India, Pakistan, Poland, Nigeria or wherever and you would see no mitigation offered and no tempering of language. It's abhorrent but it's firmly ingrained in our culture. Anti Irish racism and anti Catholic bigotry is something to be downplayed, draw false equivalences about or joke about.

In football terms it's a Rangers problem but more than that it is a societal problem and one that has gone unchallenged or even been allowed by a kind of tacit approval for too long. It seems the targets are finally starting to find their voices and call it out. It's time for it to be taken seriously.

Well said.

I'm amazed we've not yet had the two cheeks of the same erse and whataboutery apologists on to explain why both are as bad as each other, etc.....

[ABZHFC]

Well said.

I'm amazed we've not yet had the two cheeks of the same erse and whataboutery apologists on to explain why both are as bad as each other, etc.....

Yep, they’re some of the very worst. In other every form of racism we have progressed (at least in academia) to recognise that there are oppressors and the oppressed. In Scotland, with anti-Irish racism, we have chin-stroking ‘intellectuals’ who stand in the middle and say “I can’t see any difference”. Absolute welts and they are in no small part responsible for the continuation of this cancer that blights our country

[gbhibby]

Police Scotland on high alert for 50000 Rangers fans handing themselves into the police. 😁
Being serious until strict liability is introduced and points are deducted from the clubs involved of which there are 3 who sing sectarian songs nothing will change. The football authorities will have to have a match observer at the games. Fines and closing stadiums won't work points deductions are the only thing that will hurt.

[weecounty hibby]

Apparently this was an organised Union Bears (wtf!) march and they have a section set aside at ibrox. Close it down for a few weeks unless they stop that ****. Sadly though Rangers as a club are OK with this type of racism and will do nothing about it.

[aljo7-0]

We have a resident The rangers fan in our office. She is perfectly nice and mostly reasonable about football matters. I commended her last week for The Rangers quick and decisive action against the "fans" singing the racist songs. She kind of replied in a "yes didn't we do well type of way". I remarked that it was a real shame they couldn't and don't react at all to the massed sectarian singing. Silence and huff have been the reaction so far and that's from a pretty sensible one - just cant allow herself to admit it.

[Iggy Pope]

We have a resident The rangers fan in our office. She is perfectly nice and mostly reasonable about football matters. I commended her last week for The Rangers quick and decisive action against the "fans" singing the racist songs. She kind of replied in a "yes didn't we do well type of way". I remarked that it was a real shame they couldn't and don't react at all to the massed sectarian singing. Silence and huff have been the reaction so far and that's from a pretty sensible one - just cant allow herself to admit it.

First part doesn’t sound like any sort of Hun, second is like a wummin though :duck:

[Hibby70]

Also doesn't help with the Sky commentators saying "the fans are in fine voice" just as they sing up to our knees in Fenian blood.

They apologise for the odd fan swearing and coming through the effects mics, about time they apologised for blatant sectarianism

[weecounty hibby]

Also doesn't help with the Sky commentators saying "the fans are in fine voice" just as they sing up to our knees in Fenian blood.

They apologise for the odd fan swearing and coming through the effects mics, about time they apologised for blatant sectarianism
Said that for years. Apologise for someone shouting **** but use the word fenian and it's OK. Singing about the famine, great atmosphere. Someone is a ******, oops sorry

[MWHIBBIES]

Hibs should be taking a stand on this. (As should others) Our founding fathers were Irish immigrants and we are a fully inclusive modern Scottish club. Tell them to GTF and no tickets will be forthcoming for upcoming games at ER. If it was down to money I would gladly pay £10 on top of my ST to help. They are a huge stain on Scottish society and everyone should be taking a stand against them. Same applies to Celtic as well! Cut out the ***** or no tickets for ER

Hibs have enabled it for years. We've never said a single word. Literally signing about killing out manager and we done nothing. My single real embarrassment about our club.

[weecounty hibby]

Hibs have enabled it for years. We've never said a single word. Literally signing about killing out manager and we done nothing. My single real embarrassment about our club.

Completely agree. As has been said above by others, we have prioritised money above morals and standards. I really believe now we need to change that. Ron Girdon has said he wants to enhance the supporter experience, well you know what? Listening to that bigoted shower for 90 minutes us the single biggest issue for me going to the football. My enjoyment if a game v them would be improved greatly if none of them were in the stadium.

[hibbysam]

Can the Scottish government not force strict liability on football clubs? Until stands or stadiums are closed or points docked it won’t stop. For my entire life this subject crops up and nothing happens, the cycle is repeated over and over again. I don’t have any confidence it will be different this time. Fans of other clubs need to do their bit as well and pressure their boards to ban the huns from away games rally round their clubs to make up the shortfall in ticket sales.

The day this happens will be the best thing to happen. Yes we will be on the receiving end of some fines etc, but it will force clubs, fellow supporters and governing bodies to finally do something about it.

[The dalmeny]

Also doesn't help with the Sky commentators saying "the fans are in fine voice" just as they sing up to our knees in Fenian blood.

They apologise for the odd fan swearing and coming through the effects mics, about time they apologised for blatant sectarianism

Its a broadcasting requirement to apologise for foul language that can be heard (though if you can't put up with that don't watch) I doubt that anything is is place for the other stuff dreadful as it is.

[BILLYHIBS]

Hibs have enabled it for years. We've never said a single word. Literally signing about killing out manager and we done nothing. My single real embarrassment about our club.
:agree:

[gbhibby]

Hibs have enabled it for years. We've never said a single word. Literally signing about killing out manager and we done nothing. My single real embarrassment about our club.
What can a single club do apart from playing loud music on the PA to drown it out. It is up to the other clubs collectively to do something get the rules changed. Also the football authorities to get up off their fat posteriors and grow a pair.

[660]

https://twitter.com/mrewanmurray/status/1432090695263784965

Hun apologist

[Billy Whizz]

What can a single club do apart from playing loud music on the PA to drown it out. It is up to the other clubs collectively to do something get the rules changed. Also the football authorities to get up off their ***** and grow a pair.

They still play “Simply the Best” when the players run out to the pitch
The had banned this a few years ago, as their fans had their own words to it
So they still play “Penny Arcade” prematch?

[superfurryhibby]

The day this happens will be the best thing to happen. Yes we will be on the receiving end of some fines etc, but it will force clubs, fellow supporters and governing bodies to finally do something about it.

Does it have to be government and legislation based to compel change though? Maybe the governing bodies could come up with some solutions themselves?

I know that seems unlikely, but I am wary of the state having to bring change via legislation. The OBAF act highlighted the many problems this brings. The
Government can apply pressure and simultaneously look closely at social factors (non football related) associated with what perpetuates sectarianism and use their powers accordingly.

[superfurryhibby]

https://twitter.com/mrewanmurray/status/1432090695263784965

Hun apologist

Incredible that anyone with an iota of credibility can come away with this pish and not expect to be ridiculed......:lolyam:

[JeMeSouviens]

Incredible that anyone with an iota of credibility can come away with this pish and not expect to be ridiculed......:lolyam:

Also incredible that Ewan Murray could come away with it.

[The Count]

Admiration goes to Michael Stewart in calling it out.Independent not withholding to anyone is what is needed in Scottish football.Wish some of his fellow pundits had the balls to do similar but are cowards.

[Kato]

Incredible that anyone with an iota of credibility can come away with this pish and not expect to be ridiculed......[emoji38]yam:Subway, arrive at stadium long before the fans, sit and ignore toxic atmosphere for a couple of hours then leave well after fans have gone home.

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[Sioux]

You say Hibs should take a stand on this.
Hibs are a business and nothing is more important to them than money.
They dress it up well but that is the bottom line.

What about HSL?
They could literally take a "stand" if sectarian singing at Easter Road is the most important issue to them as Hibs supporters.
However, I suspect giving their money to Hibs to put better players on the pitch is more important to most of the contributors, including myself, than spending it to cover the loss of the blue and lesser green pound.

Sadly money, the team on the pitch and loads of other things are more important to folk than sectarian behaviour to actually do something about it even in their own backyard.

This issue has nothing to do with HSL 'taking a stand'. HSL is governed by its own regulations as to what they do with subscriptions from fans. Get a grip.

[hibbysam]

Does it have to be government and legislation based to compel change though? Maybe the governing bodies could come up with some solutions themselves?

I know that seems unlikely, but I am wary of the state having to bring change via legislation. The OBAF act highlighted the many problems this brings. The
Government can apply pressure and simultaneously look closely at social factors (non football related) associated with what perpetuates sectarianism and use their powers accordingly.

I agree but we all know there isn’t a back bone to deal with issues up here. If it means pressure from above then fair enough.

[MWHIBBIES]

What can a single club do apart from playing loud music on the PA to drown it out. It is up to the other clubs collectively to do something get the rules changed. Also the football authorities to get up off their fat posteriors and grow a pair.

Ban them for a season. When they return, they must behave or its a 2 season ban.

Make sure its in every paper why they are banned, on our website, on the radio etc.

[A Hi-Bee]

Question is racism any different than sectarianism as Neil Lennon said a few years back, when our club stayed silent, my humble opinion says it is one and the same, should also be treated in the same manner.

[hibbysam]

Question is racism any different than sectarianism as Neil Lennon said a few years back, when our club stayed silent, my humble opinion says it is one and the same, should also be treated in the same manner.

Racism, xenophobia, sectarian, homophobic etc, all one and the same for me.

[ABZHFC]

Question is racism any different than sectarianism as Neil Lennon said a few years back, when our club stayed silent, my humble opinion says it is one and the same, should also be treated in the same manner.

I agree that in Scotland we are often far, far too poor at calling out as anti-Irish racism as racism. The whole 'sectarianism' line is used to give off the impression that 'both sides' are at fault. That rendition of the Famine Song yesterday from the Union Bears makes no reference to religion, so the idea that the BBC and Police Scotland are trying to label it as merely sectarian is a nonsense. It is an unquestionably racist (and vile) song, which tells people they perceive to be of a different origin to 'go home'. If it was about any other minority group in Scotland, you would like to think that it would, rightly, be called out as the abhorrent racism that it is.

[007]

https://twitter.com/mrewanmurray/status/1432090695263784965

Hun apologist

Showing his true colours.

[JimBHibees]

I notice Labour, the Greens and the Government have spoken out about the singing. Where is the Tories spokesperson?

Until all parties start to treat this seriously things will not change. A real political effort has to be made.

Probably checking the photos and photoshopping Murdo Fraser out :greengrin

[Stonewall]

The OBFA was piss poor legislation. One of the architects of it said as much on social media last night.

The issue wasn't scrapping it, the real problem was not having something more fit for purpose in place to replace it when it was scrapped.

The legislation to deal with these people existed before the OBFA and still exists now. Was showboating by Salmond and blatant gesture politics.

The problem is one of will (or lack of) to punish the offenders.

[cubehindthegoal]

Racism, xenophobia, sectarian, homophobic etc, all one and the same for me.

Should be … but not in Scotland unfortunately.

[cubehindthegoal]

Seems in Scotland some people see some forms of prejudice as something that, if they give it some lip service, then they can continue to either accept, or support it.Sectarianism mainly, and obviously.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Everyone fell into line last season after the Glen Kamara incident when Rangers all but demanded it from us, and rightly so. That wasn't the time to point out the glaring hypocrisy of that whole period but the events of the last couple of weeks mean that now is. For a sizeable chunk of the Rangers fanbase the Kamara incident bothered them not because of the racism but because one of their own was the target.

Neil Lennon said it previously but we need to stop tempering our language around incidents like this. People all over Twitter last night using every euphemism in the book rather than calling it for what it is. It's outright anti Irish xenophobia. A song demanding people who are 3rd or 4th generation immigrants, forced to flee a famine, go home sung openly on our streets and no one is surprised because it happens all the ****ing time. Swap out Ireland for India, Pakistan, Poland, Nigeria or wherever and you would see no mitigation offered and no tempering of language. It's abhorrent but it's firmly ingrained in our culture. Anti Irish racism and anti Catholic bigotry is something to be downplayed, draw false equivalences about or joke about.

In football terms it's a Rangers problem but more than that it is a societal problem and one that has gone unchallenged or even been allowed by a kind of tacit approval for too long. It seems the targets are finally starting to find their voices and call it out. It's time for it to be taken seriously.

A good post, PB, and of course you are correct; but how many times have we been down this road now, whilst the problem still continues? Everyone who grows up in Scotland's central belt is aware of the issue - every summer we still see the Orange walks and the Loyalist flute bands - it's everywhere in the culture, to the extent it's accepted as part of normal life.

Is this the last investigation there will be into sectarianism involving Rangers? No
Will we have further discussions, including on this forum, about it? Absolutely
Will anything change as a result? No

For whatever reason, the politicians, the media and the football authorities don't think of sectarianism and anti-Irish xenophobia in the same way as they do anti-black racism or homophobia, for example. If Rangers fans were singing equally hateful songs about those groups, it would be quickly stopped. Again I think it's because sectarianism and its associated outlets are mainstream in Scotland; it isn't just a problem on the fringes of society. Just a guess, but I think that such overt religious hatred in English football would be stamped out straight away, with offending clubs hammered and threatened with expulsion if necessary. We are so accustomed to it as a societal norm, we have accepted it as part of life, just like racism in the American South.

[Keith_M]

This is now on BBC Reporting Scotland.

That's progress, I suppose.

[Billy Whizz]

This is now on BBC Reporting Scotland.

That's progress, I suppose.

Anything from The Rangers on this?

[Keith_M]

Anything from The Rangers on this?


:faf:





Oh, sorry Billy, you were being serious...


:wink:

[Sergio sledge]

Anything from The Rangers on this?Not a peep that I can see. They were quick to announce and conduct an investigation after the Kyogo incident, so strange that there's been nothing from them on this.... Or not strange at all considering this is part of their identity.

[ABZHFC]

Anything from The Rangers on this?

Not yet. And of course, the disgraceful racism towards Kyogo occurred on an unofficial supporters bus hundreds of miles from Ibrox. Within 24 hours the club had (rightly) handed out bans to those involved. Absolutely no danger of them doing the same to those who sang a racist song about people of Irish heritage living in Scotland, mind

[hibbysam]

Not yet. And of course, the disgraceful racism towards Kyogo occurred on an unofficial supporters bus hundreds of miles from Ibrox. Within 24 hours the club had (rightly) handed out bans to those involved. Absolutely no danger of them doing the same to those who sang a racist song about people of Irish heritage living in Scotland, mind

Agree with most, but would say it’s an ‘official’ supporters bud and they were rightly dealt with. Said supporters club was affiliated and received tickets from the club.

[Hannah_hfc]

I see the media are happy to whip up outrage from one social media video. What about every other week where huns are belting out the same songbook.

The wording from the BBC Reporting Scotland segment appeared to give the impression that this was an isolated incident.


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[Billy Whizz]

How many so called supporters were involved in this? Tom English calling them out on Sportsound just now

[Keith_M]

How many so called supporters were involved in this? Tom English calling them out on Sportsound just now


It was their 'Ultras' group, so quite a large number


There's a video (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/7625155/rangers-fans-bigoted-hatred-irish-famine-glasgow/) of it in The Sun

[Fuzzywuzzy]

I see there are claims that it's doctored or a historic video🙄

[ABZHFC]

I see there are claims that it's doctored or a historic video🙄

There is honestly no other word but fascists for their small section of fans (almost all of whom are staunch anti-SNP Twitter users) who sit on that website and speculate about the origins of anything that puts Rangers/Loyalism/Unionism in a bad light. I am not even someone who believes 'fake news' etc. is the most pressing issue of our time, but it is quite literally baffling that they are willing to sit there and lie through their teeth that the fans are really singing 'the party is over, it's time to go home', or indeed that is somehow dubbed despite there being multiple angles of the UB singing it that were posted by both Rangers and Celtic fans alike.

**** isn't even good enough to describe them, but I truly hate them with every single fibre of my being

[Betty Boop]

How many so called supporters were involved in this? Tom English calling them out on Sportsound just now
Is he calling Hertz fans out also? They were belting out the Billy Boys at Tannadice. Just saying.

[ABZHFC]

Is he calling Hertz fans out also? They were belting out the Billy Boys at Tannadice. Just saying.

They will both deny until they're blue in the face that that chant is sectarian (even though it blatantly is) by petty-fogging and claiming fenian just means Irish warrior/Celtic fan. Rangers fans singing the Famine Song is absolutely bang to rights, and is out and out racist. In one of the many cretinous verses to this song, the lyric 'their evil seeds have been sown, because they're not of our own'. That is borderline fascist, never mind disgustingly racist, in its nature. And the folk who sung it walking through Four Corners on Sunday are aware of this, considering they were literally singing the verses too in one of the videos.

This is the perfect chance for Scotland to clamp down on it, and tell them (much like with the racist singing/gestures towards Kyogo last week) that it is not acceptable in our society. And then once we have dealt with that, we must then go after Rangers and Hearts for that vile, sectarian chant that still gets good airings home, away and at Hampden

[1875godsgift]

This may answer your question

Assistant Chief Constable Higgins said officers on patrol had come across the group in the city centre on Sunday.


"We did not facilitate this event and to say so is inaccurate," he said.


"Due to the numbers and to ensure public and officer safety, additional officers were called to assist and, at this point, individuals' details were noted and the group dispersed.


"A retrospective investigation into this anti-Irish Catholic singing has been launched and we are following up a number of lines of inquiry, including reviewing CCTV footage and footage on social media.


"I fully expect a number of arrests to be made."


He went on to say that anti-Irish Catholic behaviour was "wholly unacceptable".


ACC Higgins added: "The challenges of the sectarianism still evident in some parts of Scotland are a much broader societal problem and, whilst policing will have a role to play in addressing the symptoms, its causes are a problem which require a more effective, joined-up, civic response."




I think that's actually quite an encouraging statement from Police Scotland. It's not just a law and order issue but, as others have said, it's a deep-rooted problem throughout Scottish society and needs to be dragged into the open.

[gbhibby]

Anything from The Rangers on this?
Do you think they will want to alienate 99.999% of their bigots, sorry, fans. Its in their DNA. There will be a statement issued by the club saying there is no bigotry in the club.
When the news programmes run the story they put a line across the video to hide faces why? It should have been shown uncensored. Is there going to be mugshots in the Daily Ranger and other newspapers like after the 2016 cup final. Police Scotland will pay lip service to this as they do not have the balls to deal with this.
I have been following Hibs for 55 years. Has anything changed with that club, No
The club have orange training tops thus aligning them to an odious organisation. This is done for commercial purposes as they know that their support will buy these in their thousands.
The club are complicit as the commercial implications are huge for them. They will keep this behaviour going for another 55 years and beyond.

[CMurdoch]

This issue has nothing to do with HSL 'taking a stand'. HSL is governed by its own regulations as to what they do with subscriptions from fans. Get a grip.

Where there is a will there is a way.
Regulations can be changed if it is a matter the membership feel strongly about.
If it's not, then fine, but £20k a month can buy a lot of lobbying and influence.

Obviously i'm playing devils advocate with my comments and you gave me the defensive answer I was looking for but there is a serious aspect to how people always make excuses as to why they can't take positive action "governed by it's own regulations", they would like to but .........

I've heard Hibs supporters complaining about Rangers supporters at Easter Road for nigh on 50 years but they have filled our stands and coffers "royally" for almost every one of those 50 seasons without the merest hint of resistance.
The harsh truth is that neither Hibs nor it's supporters will ever care enough to make a real stand and do something positive about it.
Don't think anyone has ever got past writing letters to the club, their MP or the first minister.
We will of course continue to point fingers at, demand action from and wait on our Politicians, Police etc to tidy it all up for us.
Afraid we will be hearing Rangers supporters ditties at Easter Road at least twice a season for a long time yet.

[cubehindthegoal]

:faf:





Oh, sorry Billy, you were being serious...


:wink:
If they are honest about it ? Well, nothing to gain and too much to lose. So keep the facade up will be their attitude, they are all guilty at that club of being complicit either by action, words or silence.

[cabbageandribs1875]

In a statement, Rangers FC said: “Following an incident on Sunday, we repeat that Rangers FC condemns all forms of racism, sectarianism and discrimination.
“We are working with the police to identify any season tickets holders.


now now that's not true, is it

[BILLYHIBS]

Arrests today according to the Glesgae Polis 🤞

[neil7908]

In a statement, Rangers FC said: “Following an incident on Sunday, we repeat that Rangers FC condemns all forms of racism, sectarianism and discrimination.
“We are working with the police to identify any season tickets holders.


now now that's not true, is it

Don't forget the kicker at the end. It's all of our faults and nothing to do with them actually:

"Discrimination of all forms is a societal issue within Scotland. Those with influence within Scottish discourse should put their energy into eradicating this very serious issue across all sections of Scottish society who suffer sectarianism, discrimination and racism of any form."

[Keith_M]

"The Rangers FC would like it to be known that we condemn all forms of discrimination... but only when we're backed into a corner by the overwhelming level of pressure in the MSM and various Social Media channels.

For the past few years, we ourselves have been the victims of an unprecedented level of anti-British and anti-Protestant Bigotry, so we're quite aware of the stigma of being an oppressed minority.

As a symbol of our desire to unite minorities of all persuasions, the club will be giving away a number of last season's orange shirts, some Union Jacks, knocked off Poppies and tickets to our exclusive 12th July parade for our glorious Armed Forces.

We Are The People to end all forms of Bigotry.

Anyone, Everyone."

[Onion]

Had to laugh at Talk Sport Scotland moaning about away fans being banned by Sevco and Celtic, denying the media their “special atmosphere”. They hate the ban but at no time have they ever questioned WHY the OF derby is as hostile as it is. Elephant in the room.

[GreensesArab]

A good post, PB, and of course you are correct; but how many times have we been down this road now, whilst the problem still continues? Everyone who grows up in Scotland's central belt is aware of the issue - every summer we still see the Orange walks and the Loyalist flute bands - it's everywhere in the culture, to the extent it's accepted as part of normal life.

Is this the last investigation there will be into sectarianism involving Rangers? No
Will we have further discussions, including on this forum, about it? Absolutely
Will anything change as a result? No

For whatever reason, the politicians, the media and the football authorities don't think of sectarianism and anti-Irish xenophobia in the same way as they do anti-black racism or homophobia, for example. If Rangers fans were singing equally hateful songs about those groups, it would be quickly stopped. Again I think it's because sectarianism and its associated outlets are mainstream in Scotland; it isn't just a problem on the fringes of society. Just a guess, but I think that such overt religious hatred in English football would be stamped out straight away, with offending clubs hammered and threatened with expulsion if necessary. We are so accustomed to it as a societal norm, we have accepted it as part of life, just like racism in the American South.

Excellent post. Religious bigotry is the guilty conscience of the Scottish ruling classes and therein lies the problem. I can understand why Steve Clarke said he's glad his kids were brought up in London instead of being exposed to this medieval sectarian filth. It's an embarrassing stain on our society.

[jacomo]

Don't forget the kicker at the end. It's all of our faults and nothing to do with them actually:

"Discrimination of all forms is a societal issue within Scotland. Those with influence within Scottish discourse should put their energy into eradicating this very serious issue across all sections of Scottish society who suffer sectarianism, discrimination and racism of any form."


Disgraceful stuff. How do they get away with it?

[CMurdoch]

Don't forget the kicker at the end. It's all of our faults and nothing to do with them actually:

"Discrimination of all forms is a societal issue within Scotland. Those with influence within Scottish discourse should put their energy into eradicating this very serious issue across all sections of Scottish society who suffer sectarianism, discrimination and racism of any form."

The senior Police Officers statement had a similar kicker saying that although the Police have a role in dealing with the issue they are just one part of the solution.
Both make sense but it is a classic media training swerve to get you out of a tough question which seeks to make it you and your organisations problem alone.

[gbhibby]

Don't forget the kicker at the end. It's all of our faults and nothing to do with them actually:

"Discrimination of all forms is a societal issue within Scotland. Those with influence within Scottish discourse should put their energy into eradicating this very serious issue across all sections of Scottish society who suffer sectarianism, discrimination and racism of any form."
Typical statement from that club.

[Green_one]

Typical statement from that club.

Isolated incident

Nothing to do with Rangers fc

Police cannot do everything

Blah blah. Do not pay any attention to the man behind the curtains

Deja vu or just the same old excuses and inaction?

Did we not to through all this when they won the league. What was done then ......ZERO

Sorry but a lifetime of experience says to not hold my breath waiting for Police Scotland action They are part of the problem, not the solution

[neil7908]

Isolated incident

Nothing to do with Rangers fc

Police cannot do everything

Blah blah. Do not pay any attention to the man behind the curtains

Deja vu or just the same old excuses and inaction?

Did we not to through all this when they won the league. What was done then ......ZERO

Sorry but a lifetime of experience says to not hold my breath waiting for Police Scotland action They are part of the problem, not the solution

There will be 1 or 2 arrests as the story is high profile enough that they have to so something. But it will be the usual token gesture of seen to be taking action, and then nothing when tens of thousands are doing it at their next home game.

[WhileTheChief..]

A good post, PB, and of course you are correct; but how many times have we been down this road now, whilst the problem still continues? Everyone who grows up in Scotland's central belt is aware of the issue - every summer we still see the Orange walks and the Loyalist flute bands - it's everywhere in the culture, to the extent it's accepted as part of normal life.

Is this the last investigation there will be into sectarianism involving Rangers? No
Will we have further discussions, including on this forum, about it? Absolutely
Will anything change as a result? No

For whatever reason, the politicians, the media and the football authorities don't think of sectarianism and anti-Irish xenophobia in the same way as they do anti-black racism or homophobia, for example. If Rangers fans were singing equally hateful songs about those groups, it would be quickly stopped. Again I think it's because sectarianism and its associated outlets are mainstream in Scotland; it isn't just a problem on the fringes of society. Just a guess, but I think that such overt religious hatred in English football would be stamped out straight away, with offending clubs hammered and threatened with expulsion if necessary. We are so accustomed to it as a societal norm, we have accepted it as part of life, just like racism in the American South.


You need to add in the general public here.

In the main, they don't care. If they did, the politicians would have to act.

If you're not into football, you could blissfuly go through life in Scotland totally unaware of the issue.

[ABZHFC]

You need to add in the general public here.

In the main, they don't care. If they did, the politicians would have to act.

If you're not into football, you could blissfuly go through life in Scotland totally unaware of the issue.


I agree to an extent, although if you live in 50% of larger towns/cities in Scotland, you would probably encounter an Orange Walk at least a few times a year. But there is definitely indifference from the public, like you say, and most of them are determined to put it to down to football fans being neds, rather than a societal issue that permeates almost every walk of life in this country

[gbhibby]

What are The Rangers going to do about their bigots? Sweet FA. Their club thrive on it. Their bigots come from the highly educated to the poorly educated. The people on the board of the club are not doing it for business reasons you will find they are bigots as well.
Bigotry keeps the turnstiles clicking in the west of Scotland so nothing will change.

[Pretty Boy]

You need to add in the general public here.

In the main, they don't care. If they did, the politicians would have to act.

If you're not into football, you could blissfuly go through life in Scotland totally unaware of the issue.

I think you are right but the public are conditioned not to be aware of it. The media are totally complicit.

I posted a link on the HG forum to a story about Kirk Broadfoot receiving a ban for sectarian abuse towards James McLean in England. The incident was deemed so severe he was banned for 10 games, 2 games more than Luis Suarez got for racially abusing Patricr Evra. The Daily Mirror in England reported the incident fully and made several references to sectarianism in the headline, throughout the story and gave historical context. The Daily Record has the same owners but an editorial decision was taken to remove all but one mention of the nature of the abuse, no mention of sectarianism at all in the headline and all historical context was removed. Anyone reading their story would have ended up feeling sorry for Broadfoot.

The same is true when reporting on Orange marches and the like. Anyone reading the Scottish press would believe there are a comparable number of Republican marches. That's utter bollocks, there are dozens of times the number of OO parades every year. Of course you can argue neither is acceptable but context is everything. The problematic marches on our streets are primarily coming from one side.

You see it again after Sunday. Journos on Twitter doing somersaults to avoid calling that song what it is. Worse is the ones offering irrelevant anecdotal evidence about how they heard nothing untoward at the weekend. They must have been walking about with their fingers in their ear for the last however many decades.

I think a lot of people want to see the best of Scotland and play up how inclusive and welcoming we are. When it comes to anti Irish and anti Catholic sentiment the reverse is all too evident, the media gives people an escape clause so they don't have to face up to it and can continue the charade.

[WhileTheChief..]

I'm not going to disagree with anything you just said, but again, other than football fans, the country just kinda shrugs its shoulders and goes about it's business.

I don't do much social media at all outwith Hibs stuff, is it ever a discussion anywhere?

Where are the Nationalists on this issue? Pretty vocal about a lot of other aspects of life in Scotland so why aren't they making it part of the national conversation. If they talked about it as much as Independence maybe things would get done?!

I live in Glasgow now. Standing at a bus stop once an elderly bloke started chatting to me and quickly asked what team I support when he sussed I was from Edinburgh. When I said Hibs, his reply was not to worry about all these loyalist marches, the Republicans have the biggest one each year!!

[Colr]

Hibs should be taking a stand on this. (As should others) Our founding fathers were Irish immigrants and we are a fully inclusive modern Scottish club. Tell them to GTF and no tickets will be forthcoming for upcoming games at ER. If it was down to money I would gladly pay £10 on top of my ST to help. They are a huge stain on Scottish society and everyone should be taking a stand against them. Same applies to Celtic as well! Cut out the ***** or no tickets for ER

Call it for what it is anti-immigrant hate speech. Just because the immigrants they target most are white, it doesn’t change what it is.

[Kato]

I'm not going to disagree with anything you just said, but again, other than football fans, the country just kinda shrugs its shoulders and goes about it's business.

Unless you live on or near the routes of the OO marches. When I first met my, now, wife she was living in Glasgow. At certain times of the year it was pretty much a week of "rehearsals" and "band route practice" before every official march. 8am Saturday morning was a particular reoccurrence.


Given the OO is a political group rather than a religious one they have every right to protest their beliefs. The veneer of supporting their religion soon slips though, and what shows up is their protesting against catholics. Even though the OO is against the catholic church it's weird once the post-march sing-songs start their songs are about actual catholics.

Scottish Taliban, if they stood for election and were voted in we'd be knocked back to 18th C.

[hhibs]

I'm not going to disagree with anything you just said, but again, other than football fans, the country just kinda shrugs its shoulders and goes about it's business.

I don't do much social media at all outwith Hibs stuff, is it ever a discussion anywhere?

Where are the Nationalists on this issue? Pretty vocal about a lot of other aspects of life in Scotland so why aren't they making it part of the national conversation. If they talked about it as much as Independence maybe things would get done?!

I live in Glasgow now. Standing at a bus stop once an elderly bloke started chatting to me and quickly asked what team I support when he sussed I was from Edinburgh. When I said Hibs, his reply was not to worry about all these loyalist marches, the Republicans have the biggest one each year!!


If I may say,your 3rd para is just you talking bollox.

[WhileTheChief..]

^^ I stay in Dennistoun. I moved here on a Friday in June one year, next morning a band marched along right outside my flat!

As you say, a regular thing at that time of year for a few weeks. Bear in mind the Louden and Bristol bars are a short walk away.

Mostly pretty senior looking guys, but more worrying is the amount of kids involved. I'm talking primary school age.

The other thing to note was the lack of support or folk watching.

[Jones28]

I’d lived in Airth for a few years and was witness to a few orange walks. Very strange, old men and women waddling down the street to god awful flute music.

[gbhibby]

I’d lived in Airth for a few years and was witness to a few orange walks. Very strange, old men and women waddling down the street to god awful flute music.
went up to the centre of Tranent one Saturday only to be greeted by an Orange Walk. There were 3 coaches parked nearby. Overheard one of the marhers saying that they were doing another 4 marches that day. They even brought their own cheerleaders. i thought what sad lives these people lead.

[Brizo]

Everyone fell into line last season after the Glen Kamara incident when Rangers all but demanded it from us, and rightly so. That wasn't the time to point out the glaring hypocrisy of that whole period but the events of the last couple of weeks mean that now is. For a sizeable chunk of the Rangers fanbase the Kamara incident bothered them not because of the racism but because one of their own was the target.

Neil Lennon said it previously but we need to stop tempering our language around incidents like this. People all over Twitter last night using every euphemism in the book rather than calling it for what it is. It's outright anti Irish xenophobia. A song demanding people who are 3rd or 4th generation immigrants, forced to flee a famine, go home sung openly on our streets and no one is surprised because it happens all the ****ing time. Swap out Ireland for India, Pakistan, Poland, Nigeria or wherever and you would see no mitigation offered and no tempering of language. It's abhorrent but it's firmly ingrained in our culture. Anti Irish racism and anti Catholic bigotry is something to be downplayed, draw false equivalences about or joke about.

In football terms it's a Rangers problem but more than that it is a societal problem and one that has gone unchallenged or even been allowed by a kind of tacit approval for too long. It seems the targets are finally starting to find their voices and call it out. It's time for it to be taken seriously.

:top marks

[Bristolhibby]

Excellent post. Religious bigotry is the guilty conscience of the Scottish ruling classes and therein lies the problem. I can understand why Steve Clarke said he's glad his kids were brought up in London instead of being exposed to this medieval sectarian filth. It's an embarrassing stain on our society.

Bigotry was needed to keep the working class divided and in check.

Create haves (Protestants) and a have nots (Catholics) and tell the haves that the have nots are coming here to take their jobs (sounds familiar right).

Give the haves certain privileges (jobs, social standing, established favouritism) and bingo.

Now we want to destroy that almost 200 year old status quo?

This is why the WASP (White Anglo Saxon Protestant) is feeling like THEY are the oppressed. Forgetting the hundreds of years of favour stretching back to Henry the 8th of England and the reformation.

J

[PatHead]

There is a good article on the BBC just now. It's about a guy who admits he was a casual racist and it was normalised by chants at the football.

It took his teenage daughter to point out that it wasn't acceptable.

Just shows it doesn't need to pass down generations.

[Keith_M]

Bigotry was needed to keep the working class divided and in check.

Create haves (Protestants) and a have nots (Catholics) and tell the haves that the have nots are coming here to take their jobs (sounds familiar right).

Give the haves certain privileges (jobs, social standing, established favouritism) and bingo.

Now we want to destroy that almost 200 year old status quo?

This is why the WASP (White Anglo Saxon Protestant) is feeling like THEY are the oppressed. Forgetting the hundreds of years of favour stretching back to Henry the 8th of England and the reformation.

J


That was going quite well until you described them all as Anglo-Saxon.

:hmmm:

[linlithgowhibbie]

Hi BH,


Give the haves certain privileges (jobs, social standing, established favouritism) and bingo.



What does giving them bingo have to do with it?:thumbsup::wink:

[gbhibby]

Thinking how stupid the song is. The famine ended in 1852 so by now there is multiple generations of people who are Scottish who will be able to trace their family back to Ireland so you are telling Scottish people to go to a country where they will not qualify for an Irish passport. I qualify for an Irish passport but regard myself as Scottish. If some of these bigots did a bit of historical research they might be surprised what they find. The old saying that empty vessels make the most noise has never been truer when it comes to that group of people.
PS Ireland in 1852 was governed by Britain. 1 million people died during the famine so not a subject to make fun of.

[Keith_M]

Thinking how stupid the song is. The famine ended in 1852 so by now there is multiple generations of people who are Scottish who will be able to trace their family back to Ireland so you are telling Scottish people to go to a country where they will not qualify for an Irish passport. I qualify for an Irish passport but regard myself as Scottish. If some of these bigots did a bit of historical research they might be surprised what they find. The old saying that empty vessels make the most noise has never been truer when it comes to that group of people.
PS Ireland in 1852 was governed by Britain. 1 million people died during the famine so not a subject to make fun of.



Add to that the fact that it wasn't just RCs that had to relocate, it was people of all religions

The ancestors of a large number of these idiots probably had to leave Ireland at the same time

[gbhibby]

Add to that the fact that it wasn't just RCs that had to relocate, it was people of all religions

The ancestors of a large number of these idiots probably had to leave Ireland at the same time
Exactly Keith it was one country at the time. Ignorance of the facts is no excuse for their behaviour.

[Keith_M]

Exactly Keith it was one country at the time. Ignorance of the facts is no excuse for their behaviour.


:agree:

[Smartie]

Thinking how stupid the song is. The famine ended in 1852 so by now there is multiple generations of people who are Scottish who will be able to trace their family back to Ireland so you are telling Scottish people to go to a country where they will not qualify for an Irish passport. I qualify for an Irish passport but regard myself as Scottish. If some of these bigots did a bit of historical research they might be surprised what they find. The old saying that empty vessels make the most noise has never been truer when it comes to that group of people.
PS Ireland in 1852 was governed by Britain. 1 million people died during the famine so not a subject to make fun of.

I remember hearing "the famine song" for the first time, it might have got one of it's earliest airings at Easter Road.

It was a bit before the outcry over it developed by I remember being equal parts bemused and amused by it. Both my grandfathers were Rangers supporters and I was born in Simpsons. Knowing what we know about the demographic of the Rangers travelling support and the sizeable Northern Irish contingent who travel with them, I just found it quite funny that a decent number of them had got up at the crack of dawn to travel from the island of Ireland to sing to me in my team's stadium a mile or two from where I was born that I should go home.

F*****g imbeciles.

[EI255]

Anyone who enjoys listening to people playing flutes, slamming a big drum to make up for lack of manhood, dressing like circus clown and acting like 13 deserves to be shot.

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[gbhibby]

Anyone who enjoys listening to people playing flutes, slamming a big drum to make up for lack of manhood, dressing like circus clown and acting like 13 deserves to be shot.

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A bit strong think you need to rethink your post.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Add to that the fact that it wasn't just RCs that had to relocate, it was people of all religions

The ancestors of a large number of these idiots probably had to leave Ireland at the same time

absolutely right. Thousands of (the poorer classes of) protestants also died during the famine years in Ireland. Thousands more had to emigrate. There’s a collective amnesia in loyalism about this.

[PatHead]

Not to mention that the Pope and his forces were on Prince William's side

[gbhibby]

Could sing to them
So you love Northern Ireland why don't move there.

[ronaldo7]

And when you stand up to them...

https://www.dumbartonreporter.co.uk/news/19550493.orange-march-dumbarton-councillors-got-death-threats-block-bid/?ref=twtrec

[Kato]

And when you stand up to them...

https://www.dumbartonreporter.co.uk/news/19550493.orange-march-dumbarton-councillors-got-death-threats-block-bid/?ref=twtrecIf there were death threats issued by another political group regarding a protest, like Extinction Rebellion, it would be all over the front pages and on national telly news.

As it's just these pee-stained trousered individuals, page 9 at best.

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[gbhibby]

And when you stand up to them...

https://www.dumbartonreporter.co.uk/news/19550493.orange-march-dumbarton-councillors-got-death-threats-block-bid/?ref=twtrec
This has happened on many occasions before.
This should be page 1 and the headlines main story on the Scottish news programmes. If they want to march make it far out in the countryside no where near towms or villages.

[gbhibby]

Just watched the headlines ON BBC Scotland news not a mention of this.

[Smartie]

Just watched the headlines ON BBC Scotland news not a mention of this.

In all fairness is "bigots indulge in bigotry" really newsworthy?

I guess the newsworthy angle is that they are being called out on it occasionally now.

[Keith_M]

Just watched the headlines ON BBC Scotland news not a mention of this.


There was an item on it yesterday, TBF.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Orange march : Clydebank councillors 'got death threats' over block bid | Clydebank Post (https://www.clydebankpost.co.uk/news/19550500.orange-march-clydebank-councillors-got-death-threats-block-bid/)

Councillors have revealed how they received death threats after objecting to an Orange march in the past, a council meeting heard.
The revelation comes as West Dunbartonshire Council launches a new bid to tackle bigotry in its communities.

vile cowardly sectarian low-life s*um


neanderthals

[The Harp Awakes]

Orange march : Clydebank councillors 'got death threats' over block bid | Clydebank Post (https://www.clydebankpost.co.uk/news/19550500.orange-march-clydebank-councillors-got-death-threats-block-bid/)

Councillors have revealed how they received death threats after objecting to an Orange march in the past, a council meeting heard.
The revelation comes as West Dunbartonshire Council launches a new bid to tackle bigotry in its communities.

vile cowardly sectarian low-life s*um


neanderthals

I used to be a member of the Railwaymen"s social club in Lower London Road in the day. Now the Bellfield Brewery.

When Hibs played Rangers at Easter Road there was always 2 or 3 Rangers buses booked in before the game. I was a regular and always went in on a Saturday before and after the game with my Hibs colours on. I was usually on my own and any Hibs' supporting regulars would not have the green on when Rangers were in town because the place was a a sea of red, white and blue.

I got stacks of sectarian abuse, often whispers in my ear trying to get a reaction.

The Rangers are a club rancid with bigotry right to the very core. Most of their supporters see green and see hate. If the club existed in a country other than Scotland it would likely have been closed down.

[Carheenlea]

“AFTER liaising with Police Scotland regarding a well documented incident on Sunday, Rangers have written to 3 individuals to confirm their indefinite ban from all club fixtures.

We reiterate our Club stance against all forms of discrimination and once again, underline our approach to so-called ‘fans’ who bring the good name of Rangers FC into disrepute.“

What is the “good name of Rangers”?

[CMurdoch]

“AFTER liaising with Police Scotland regarding a well documented incident on Sunday, Rangers have written to 3 individuals to confirm their indefinite ban from all club fixtures.

We reiterate our Club stance against all forms of discrimination and once again, underline our approach to so-called ‘fans’ who bring the good name of Rangers FC into disrepute.“

What is the “good name of Rangers”?

No point kicking Rangers FC. regarding their statement.
I think this is another positive action. It sends a clear message.
If all parties can sustain this momentum on these racist incidents occuring outside of football grounds it will be a great start.
Once that is sorted the authorities can move onto singing issues inside football grounds.
I know that it won't happen fast enough for some folk but I would rather the thin end of the wedge to start with than the inaction that has seen this stuff rolling on year after year.

[Jones28]

“AFTER liaising with Police Scotland regarding a well documented incident on Sunday, Rangers have written to 3 individuals to confirm their indefinite ban from all club fixtures.

We reiterate our Club stance against all forms of discrimination and once again, underline our approach to so-called ‘fans’ who bring the good name of Rangers FC into disrepute.“

What is the “good name of Rangers”?

I’m sure the people of Manchester can attest to that, remember Rangers biggest ever game that turned a city in to a war zone when it didn’t go their way?

[Hibernia&Alba]

Well done to Police Scotland and Rangers for holding accountable the caveman singing about the Irish famine. However, the entire stadium was singing another banned sectarian song, The Billy Boys, last weekend. It's time for ground closures until the penny drops.

[gbhibby]

No point kicking Rangers FC. regarding their statement.
I think this is another positive action. It sends a clear message.
If all parties can sustain this momentum on these racist incidents occuring outside of football grounds it will be a great start.
Once that is sorted the authorities can move onto singing issues inside football grounds.
I know that it won't happen fast enough for some folk but I would rather the thin end of the wedge to start with than the inaction that has seen this stuff rolling on year after year.
Why not keep kicking Rangers words mean nothing it's
actions.
How do you enforce a "indefinite" ban? You need to have these people report to a police station on match days. They need to eradicate it on match days. Stop using the colour orange for training tops and the like. They, the fans will never change and if the truth be known the club will never change as it would be a commercial disaster. Did they not have to change their signing policy as UEFA were making noises about this. Strict liability needs to be introduced, some may say why should clubs be penalised for the actions of their fans, well if its OK for European tournaments its OK for our domestic leagues.

[Carheenlea]

No point kicking Rangers FC. regarding their statement.
I think this is another positive action. It sends a clear message.
If all parties can sustain this momentum on these racist incidents occuring outside of football grounds it will be a great start.
Once that is sorted the authorities can move onto singing issues inside football grounds.
I know that it won't happen fast enough for some folk but I would rather the thin end of the wedge to start with than the inaction that has seen this stuff rolling on year after year.

The message is pretty much “don’t get caught”

We all know what Rangers stand for behind the scenes.

[Since452]

It's ingrained in them

https://youtu.be/2rf4BIXJ8_g

[gbhibby]

Indefinite ban, will be two weeks then.

[gbhibby]

“AFTER liaising with Police Scotland regarding a well documented incident on Sunday, Rangers have written to 3 individuals to confirm their indefinite ban from all club fixtures.

We reiterate our Club stance against all forms of discrimination and once again, underline our approach to so-called ‘fans’ who bring the good name of Rangers FC into disrepute.“

What is the “good name of Rangers”?
The Rangers

[Billy Whizz]

Indefinite ban, will be two weeks then.

All 3 of them. Is that all that were singing?

[JimBHibees]

All 3 of them. Is that all that were singing?

Seems an incredibly small number doesn't it.

[Kato]

Seems an incredibly small number doesn't it.Maybe they are "the minority" TRFC often chat about. If it is then, the problem is solved!

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[JimBHibees]

Maybe they are "the minority" TRFC often chat about. If it is then, the problem is solved!

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Yep the tiny minority have been identified. Problem over.

[CentreLine]

Yep the tiny minority have been identified. Problem over.

Police Scotland quoted as expecting more arrests to follow. Time wasn’t built in a day though

[Hibernia&Alba]

It's ingrained in them

https://youtu.be/2rf4BIXJ8_g

The local pub: The Masonic Arms :hilarious:hilarious

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/rangers-new-media-partner-police-24896939.amp?__twitter_impression=true


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[Hibernia&Alba]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/rangers-new-media-partner-police-24896939.amp?__twitter_impression=true


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A Rangers fan group is made an official media partner, what could possibly go wrong? The press investigate the social media history of those involved, and, what do you know, it's a goldmine of bigotry. Rangers should have seen this coming.

[CMurdoch]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/rangers-new-media-partner-police-24896939.amp?__twitter_impression=true


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Wow, that is one hell of an o.g.

[One Day]

I used to be a member of the Railwaymen"s social club in Lower London Road in the day. Now the Bellfield Brewery.

When Hibs played Rangers at Easter Road there was always 2 or 3 Rangers buses booked in before the game. I was a regular and always went in on a Saturday before and after the game with my Hibs colours on. I was usually on my own and any Hibs' supporting regulars would not have the green on when Rangers were in town because the place was a a sea of red, white and blue.

I got stacks of sectarian abuse, often whispers in my ear trying to get a reaction.

The Rangers are a club rancid with bigotry right to the very core. Most of their supporters see green and see hate. If the club existed in a country other than Scotland it would likely have been closed down.

About sums them up, Rotten from the very top down the pond life that supports them.

[CentreLine]

I am well aware of its origins and being utterly separate from any connection with bigotry but I think it’s time to drop the Hun name. The the Rangers have spun enough of a myth to suggest it is somehow anti Protestant, rather than a a reflection on the antisocial behaviour of a huge proportion of their fans.
Make no mistake, the whataboutery mob will be pointing at Hun in their defence of “fenian blood” and other odious comments.
For that reason I am going to stop calling the Orcs huns.

[Smartie]

I am well aware of its origins and being utterly separate from any connection with bigotry but I think it’s time to drop the Hun name. The the Rangers have spun enough of a myth to suggest it is somehow anti Protestant, rather than a a reflection on the antisocial behaviour of a huge proportion of their fans.
Make no mistake, the whataboutery mob will be pointing at Hun in their defence of “fenian blood” and other odious comments.
For that reason I am going to stop calling the Orcs huns.

I’m not.

My faith lies somewhere between atheist and Church of Scotland (nearer atheist but I’d probably marry in a Kirk, but when my other half’s family all troop off on Sundays and at Christmas I stay at home). Like most Scots, my bloodline has mixes of Irish through there way back and it’s unlikely they were anything other than catholics, but to all intents and purposes - I am a Protestant.

At not point in my life, ever, has this been an issue. I have never been meaningfully ridiculed or prejudiced against for it. The word “hun” does not apply to me, and it is in no way offensive to me.

Madjid Bougherra, Nacho Novo, Lorenzo Amoruso, Jon Daly - all every bit as horrible huns as your Bomber Broons and your Durrantys.

It’s a fitba thing, nothing else, and relates to their fans’ behaviour.

This “hun” pish is false equivalence, created by their moronic fans to allow them to continue with their bigoted nonsense in plain sight, long after it should have been socially unacceptable.

If they want to stop being called huns, they should stop trashing city centres and spraying abuse in all directions, everywhere they go.

They’re welcome to behave like the human race and maybe have the same daft minority that all clubs have any time they like.

I won’t be holding my breath.

[gbhibby]

Big headlines on Sky news about Racist abuse of England players in Hungary. There should be the same level of headlines about Bigotry in our game otherwise nothing to see here. The dinasours are still alive and well.
Was the term Hun not originally a description of an army that would rampage through Europe causing destruction and death.Notice another 3 arrests.

[Carheenlea]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/rangers-new-media-partner-police-24896939.amp?__twitter_impression=true


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The remarks and phrases used by those who run the heart and hand podcast pretty much reflect that of the vast majority of Rangers fans. I am good friends with a few Rangers fans and this is the language they continually use, despite being in their 40’s and 50’s. Do they really mean it? Are they genuinely hateful of Roman Catholics? They probably aren’t, and don’t use such language when in the company of my Irish wife for example, but it’s just something that goes with being a Ranger fan I think.

The fabric of the club and culture surrounding it is such that there is an obligation for Rangers fans to adopt this behaviour in order to feel inclusive and the badge of a proper “blue nose”, “bear” or whatever they like to call themselves.

They’re Rangers fans first and foremost, and the bigotry and sectarianism, plus strong unionist and NI Loyalist support which follows is for the vast majority, simply a consequence of the team that they support rather than any genuine political view or life experience.

As long as Rangers exist, sectarianism will never eradicate. It may not entirely be their fault of course, but it’s that clubs very existence that starts the road down towards sectarianism for tens of thousands of Scots.

[gbhibby]

The remarks and phrases used by those who run the heart and hand podcast pretty much reflect that of the vast majority of Rangers fans. I am good friends with a few Rangers fans and this is the language they continually use, despite being in their 40’s and 50’s. Do they really mean it? Are they genuinely hateful of Roman Catholics? They probably aren’t, and don’t use such language when in the company of my Irish wife for example, but it’s just something that goes with being a Ranger fan I think.

The fabric of the club and culture surrounding it is such that there is an obligation for Rangers fans to adopt this behaviour in order to feel inclusive and the badge of a proper “blue nose”, “bear” or whatever they like to call themselves.

They’re Rangers fans first and foremost, and the bigotry and sectarianism, plus strong unionist and NI Loyalist support which follows is for the vast majority, simply a consequence of the team that they support rather than any genuine political view or life experience.

As long as Rangers exist, sectarianism will never eradicate. It may not entirely be their fault of course, but it’s that clubs very existence that starts the road down towards sectarianism for tens of thousands of Scots.
Good Post.
Have met a number of Rangers fans who have married Catholics who no longer go to games because of this, one now takes his son to Celtic games.

[The Harp Awakes]

Union Bears looking for an apology :faf:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/7648865/rangers-union-bears-fan-arrests-police/amp/

[gbhibby]

Union Bears looking for an apology :faf:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/7648865/rangers-union-bears-fan-arrests-police/amp/
The fans have not been banned from all future matches they have received an indefinite ban.

[neil7908]

All 3 of them. Is that all that were singing?

As predicted. Now that the incident was in the press the polis have to be seen to do something. 3 of them get done, with the rest "to follow". We'll see about that. I wonder if they will have their pictures in the paper for months to come like after the 2016 final?

[EI255]

A bit strong think you need to rethink your post.Really???

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[EI255]

I used to be a member of the Railwaymen"s social club in Lower London Road in the day. Now the Bellfield Brewery.

When Hibs played Rangers at Easter Road there was always 2 or 3 Rangers buses booked in before the game. I was a regular and always went in on a Saturday before and after the game with my Hibs colours on. I was usually on my own and any Hibs' supporting regulars would not have the green on when Rangers were in town because the place was a a sea of red, white and blue.

I got stacks of sectarian abuse, often whispers in my ear trying to get a reaction.

The Rangers are a club rancid with bigotry right to the very core. Most of their supporters see green and see hate. If the club existed in a country other than Scotland it would likely have been closed down.They even hate green grass.

What a pathetic institution they are.

As I've said before, grown men, wearing circus outfits and singing songs about men on horses 100's of years ago deserve to be driven down a hole and buried.

They really are, to a man, a waste of a human life.

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[EI255]

Union Bears looking for an apology :faf:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/7648865/rangers-union-bears-fan-arrests-police/amp/Union Bum Boys.

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[Iggy Pope]

They even hate green grass.

What a pathetic institution they are.

As I've said before, grown men, wearing circus outfits and singing songs about men on horses 100's of years ago deserve to be driven down a hole and buried.

They really are, to a man, a waste of a human life.

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:greengrin Love that circus outfit quote. Always thought they looked more like bingo callers myself . I’d love to watch them twirling their big sticks with shoes 10 times too big for them, trying to keep their hats on whilst impressing the bearded Orangina. I’d probably buy a ticket for that.

[Radium]

Michael Stewart has been tugging the bears tail on Twitter and it appears someone is trying to hack into his Twitter account

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[Bishop Hibee]

Incredible that David Edgar is still in a position of power at the Rangers. The bigotry they deny is as strong as it’s ever been along with an unhealthy dose of racism. Vile club.

[hibbysam]

Incredible that David Edgar is still in a position of power at the Rangers. The bigotry they deny is as strong as it’s ever been along with an unhealthy dose of racism. Vile club.

If that’s the boy from the podcast then surely he isn’t in a position of power? He’s a volunteer podcast person (no idea the right term for them). He gets to interview people but he doesn’t exactly have any ‘power’ over them as far as I can see.

Apologies if that’s not who we are talking about, seen the name the last few days and presume that’s who/what he is.

[gbhibby]

:greengrin Love that circus outfit quote. Always thought they looked more like bingo callers myself . I’d love to watch them twirling their big sticks with shoes 10 times too big for them, trying to keep their hats on whilst impressing the bearded Orangina. I’d probably buy a ticket for that.
Remember the days when some of them used to carry truncheons
On the orange walks got away with it.
Don't know if it's still on YouTube but Just another Saturday is worth a watch.Filmed a lot of it in Leith.

[Bishop Hibee]

If that’s the boy from the podcast then surely he isn’t in a position of power? He’s a volunteer podcast person (no idea the right term for them). He gets to interview people but he doesn’t exactly have any ‘power’ over them as far as I can see.

Apologies if that’s not who we are talking about, seen the name the last few days and presume that’s who/what he is.

He’s hand in glove with the Rangers board. He asks the questions of them, the management, coaching staff and the players. If that’s not power what is?

[hibbysam]

He’s hand in glove with the Rangers board. He asks the questions of them, the management, coaching staff and the players. If that’s not power what is?

Power to me would be making decisions, having the money. Simply being a media gadge isn’t having power to me. I doubt he’s directing the board on what decisions to make at the club. I wouldn’t say Cliff Pike and the HibsTv guys held power at Hibs.

I don’t think we’ll hear much from Rangers regarding this side though after the backlash they are receiving over their fans bans.

I also think that for comments made numbers of years ago there should be a slight degree of allowance given to apologies and behavioural change if it hasn’t been repeated. I’m sure if someone went through my social media account there would be some extremely unsavoury comments made a number of years ago that I wouldn’t dream of making now.

Slightly off topic but along the same lines, I see the FA have again charged a player who made comments on social media when he was 14, nearly a decade ago. That to me is absolutely nuts.

[1875godsgift]

Power to me would be making decisions, having the money. Simply being a media gadge isn’t having power to me. I doubt he’s directing the board on what decisions to make at the club. I wouldn’t say Cliff Pike and the HibsTv guys held power at Hibs.

I don’t think we’ll hear much from Rangers regarding this side though after the backlash they are receiving over their fans bans.

I also think that for comments made numbers of years ago there should be a slight degree of allowance given to apologies and behavioural change if it hasn’t been repeated. I’m sure if someone went through my social media account there would be some extremely unsavoury comments made a number of years ago that I wouldn’t dream of making now.

Slightly off topic but along the same lines, I see the FA have again charged a player who made comments on social media when he was 14, nearly a decade ago. That to me is absolutely nuts.

He's good friends with David Graham, head of PR at Sevco, who was also involved in the podcast.

Some of the comments are from 2017 until last December, but two of them have now resigned and apologised, pleading immaturity as their excuse.

It's amazing how quickly these middle-aged men can suddenly 'grow-up' when under police investigation.

[O'Rourke3]

Remember the days when some of them used to carry truncheons
On the orange walks got away with it.
Don't know if it's still on YouTube but Just another Saturday is worth a watch.Filmed a lot of it in Leith.Leith and Davidsons Main Park.

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[gbhibby]

Leith and Davidsons Main Park.

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Prince Regent Strret used for the violent scene. Billy Connelly in it. This was out in 1975 and still 46 years on Orange walks are still happening .

[Argylehibby]

They even hate green grass.

What a pathetic institution they are.

As I've said before, grown men, wearing circus outfits and singing songs about men on horses 100's of years ago deserve to be driven down a hole and buried.

They really are, to a man, a waste of a human life.

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I might be wrong but I think the grass at Ibrox is Kentucky blue grass.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Leith and Davidsons Main Park.

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The dmains gala used to turn into a riot anyway!!😂

[Keith_M]

I might be wrong but I think the grass at Ibrox is Kentucky blue grass.


We had a return to office event last week, just as a test, and they asked each of us to wear coloured bands to indicate how comfortable or otherwise we were being in close proximity to our colleagues. The badges went from green (OK), yellow (a bit nervous) to red (stay away).

My otherwise sensible Rangers supporting colleague downright refused to wear the green band... or even the yellow (he said because some Celtic scarves have yellow on them)


We heeded the red band he wore instead and stayed well clear...

:rolleyes:

[ronaldo7]

We're up to 8 now. That'll be the first row dealt with.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-58436732

[Kato]

Remember the days when some of them used to carry truncheons
On the orange walks got away with it.
Don't know if it's still on YouTube but Just another Saturday is worth a watch.Filmed a lot of it in Leith.

..and the Pleasance. My school used Jimmy Clarks as an annexe at the time of shooting, we saw them do some of it.

[CMurdoch]

Incredible that David Edgar is still in a position of power at the Rangers. The bigotry they deny is as strong as it’s ever been along with an unhealthy dose of racism. Vile club.

I don't think that the posts and tweets the Daily Record have quoted from David Edgar are any worse than folk on here calling Hearts supporters puddle drinkers etc.
The other two guys have rightly resigned for their appalingingly racist posts.
After 3 direct hits in a fortnight i can see this getting very nasty with the Union Bears etc trawling a decade of social media posts and tweets of journalists, M.P.'s, Celtic supporters etc and reporting anything at all dodgy that they find to Police Scotland.

[StockholmHibs]

The Rangers fans have always been the total and utter dregs of humanity.
I remember walking up Easter Road in the early 80s. As a 12 year old lad i couldn't believe
the sectarian abuse i received.
Dirty fenian fu××er etc
etc. Was kicked and spat on by drunk men. I frightening experience, was the first big game without my dad with me.
Forty years later there behavior is just the same.
We often joke about the puddle drinkers but they are nothing compared to The Rangers.
The worst of all this is they don't even think they are doing anything wrong singing these songs.
How can anyone be proud of Scotland when Rangers live here?🤮🤮🤮

[gbhibby]

The Rangers fans have always been the total and utter dregs of humanity.
I remember walking up Easter Road in the early 80s. As a 12 year old lad i couldn't believe
the sectarian abuse i received.
Dirty fenian fu××er etc
etc. Was kicked and spat on by drunk men. I frightening experience, was the first big game without my dad with me.
Forty years later there behavior is just the same.
We often joke about the puddle drinkers but they are nothing compared to The Rangers.
The worst of all this is they don't even think they are doing anything wrong singing these songs.
How can anyone be proud of Scotland when Rangers live here?🤮🤮🤮
Had the same experience in the early 1970s coming away from the game I was 10 years old.

[Moulin Yarns]

Prince Regent Strret used for the violent scene. Billy Connelly in it. This was out in 1975 and still 46 years on Orange walks are still happening .

Brunswick Road just before they pulled the tenaments down. The scene where the old man is watching the walk, an orangeman signals to come closer and smashes the window.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I don't think that the posts and tweets the Daily Record have quoted from David Edgar are any worse than folk on here calling Hearts supporters puddle drinkers etc.
The other two guys have rightly resigned for their appalingingly racist posts.
After 3 direct hits in a fortnight i can see this getting very nasty with the Union Bears etc trawling a decade of social media posts and tweets of journalists, M.P.'s, Celtic supporters etc and reporting anything at all dodgy that they find to Police Scotland.

Yes, the worst they had Edgar saying, and going back over ten years, is that android phone users are gypsies. That's hardly evidence of a diehard bigot. The other two guys, however, are guilty of far worse. I find the stuff about wanting women raped far worse than the sectarian stuff. The thought of a grown man taking the time to write that! I expect those two will be removed from the podcast and no longer welcome at Ibrox. We shall see.

[CentreLine]

Yes, the worst they had Edgar saying, and going back over ten years, is that android phone users are gypsies. That's hardly evidence of a diehard bigot. The other two guys, however, are guilty of far worse. I find the stuff about wanting women raped far worse than the sectarian stuff. The thought of a grown man taking the time to write that! I expect those two will be removed from the podcast and no longer welcome at Ibrox. We shall see.

Interesting that, despite being comfortable printing the comment about rape the paper felt there a considerable number of posts they could not print because they were too offensive. Let’s see how this pans out with the polis and with the The Rangers

[CMurdoch]

Yes, the worst they had Edgar saying, and going back over ten years, is that android phone users are gypsies. That's hardly evidence of a diehard bigot. The other two guys, however, are guilty of far worse. I find the stuff about wanting women raped far worse than the sectarian stuff. The thought of a grown man taking the time to write that! I expect those two will be removed from the podcast and no longer welcome at Ibrox. We shall see.

I think the other two are already gone.
There is a stupidity and myopic aspect to these folk as well.
Surely they realised when they posted that hellish stuff online that it was publicly publishing their opinions and as such they would be available for examination and attributed to them for ever more.
Imagine these guys trying to explain their comments to their mothers, wives and daughters.
The idiots on the bus and in the street are the same. They have been published being racist in public.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I think the other two are already gone.
There is a stupidity and myopic aspect to these folk as well.
Surely they realised when they posted that hellish stuff online that it was publicly publishing their opinions and as such they would be available for examination and attributed to them for ever more.
Imagine these guys trying to explain their comments to their mothers, wives and daughters.
The idiots on the bus and in the street are the same. They have been published being racist in public.

Condemned by their own words. It's good that displaying hate filled bigoted behaviour is finally having consequences. Rangers should have checked out the fans group before allowing them to become a media partner. Where was their due diligence?

[Eyrie]

Condemned by their own words. It's good that displaying hate filled bigoted behaviour is finally having consequences. Rangers should have checked out the fans group before allowing them to become a media partner. Where was their due diligence?

The due diligence was ensuring the cheque for £25k cleared.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The due diligence was ensuring the cheque for £25k cleared.

Aye, loyal to the half crown :greengrin

[EI255]

All Rangers fans aren't worthy of a lengthy life. The bitterness, the anger, the immaturity, the gob smacking strangeness of them....

[EI255]

Aye, loyal to the half crown :greengrinOoft, they really are loyal wimps

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[gbhibby]

Brunswick Road just before they pulled the tenaments down. The scene where the old man is watching the walk, an orangeman signals to come closer and smashes the window.
Was that East William Street?

[Iggy Pope]

..and the Pleasance. My school used Jimmy Clarks as an annexe at the time of shooting, we saw them do some of it.

If that was St Tams annexe you’re lying about your age!

[Iggy Pope]

Brunswick Road just before they pulled the tenaments down. The scene where the old man is watching the walk, an orangeman signals to come closer and smashes the window.

“Fenian Alley” being the shot in question. Oh how me and my muckers laughed at the **** getting thrown on the lead stick twirling fellah, the one that looked like a really, really ugly Marc Bolan.

[EI255]

They are blue.

They smell.



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[Lendo]

Anyone else genuinely curious as to how they will deal with the Queen passing away and Charles taking the crown? Will they still be so loyal to someone that’s expressed concern about things like climate change and poverty?

[Block]

Anyone else genuinely curious as to how they will deal with the Queen passing away and Charles taking the crown? Will they still be so loyal to someone that’s expressed concern about things like climate change and poverty?

Climate Change?

Why don't you address it to the huge coal firer's like China.

Britain has reversed its output to 1% of world polluters compared to.

Facts not fiction.

[Lendo]

Climate Change?

Why don't you address it to the huge coal firer's like China.

Britain has reversed its output to 1% of world polluters compared to.

Facts not fiction.

Eh?

[CentreLine]

Climate Change?

Why don't you address it to the huge coal firer's like China.

Britain has reversed its output to 1% of world polluters compared to.

Facts not fiction.

No argument about the current disparity. Russia and the USA too. Australia to some extent.
However, this problem was one we kicked off right here. It accelerated big style with the industrial revolution. A period which coincided with our massive wealth generation from the peak of our involvement in the slave trade allowing for the investment it took to make it happen. Probably our least and perversely, most, proud moment in British history.
We continued to benefit, largely in ignorance, from pumping CO2, along with many other harmful gasses, into the atmosphere right up to the present day. We don’t have the moral high ground here to indulge in whataboutery.

[Betty Boop]

All Rangers fans aren't worthy of a lengthy life. The bitterness, the anger, the immaturity, the gob smacking strangeness of them....

Really? You come across as a bit strange yourself.

[Crunchie]

No argument about the current disparity. Russia and the USA too. Australia to some extent.
However, this problem was one we kicked off right here. It accelerated big style with the industrial revolution. A period which coincided with our massive wealth generation from the peak of our involvement in the slave trade allowing for the investment it took to make it happen. Probably our least and perversely, most, proud moment in British history.
We continued to benefit, largely in ignorance, from pumping CO2, along with many other harmful gasses, into the atmosphere right up to the present day. We don’t have the moral high ground here to indulge in whataboutery.
Meanwhile The Rangers fans continue to sing .......

[One Day]

Anyone who enjoys listening to people playing flutes, slamming a big drum to make up for lack of manhood, dressing like circus clown and acting like 13 deserves to be shot.

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Or at least tied to a post and pelted with sh*te :wink:

[CentreLine]

Meanwhile The Rangers fans continue to sing .......

They do but now that they have caused a rift between themselves and the SMSM these is some momentum behind reporting it. When they kept the media sweet there was no chance but now there are green shoots of honesty appearing. Small shoots that need to get a lot bigger but it’s a start

[tamig]

Really? You come across as a bit strange yourself.

Aye he was on a mission last night. One belter of a post that I’m not surprised to see has since been removed.

[tamig]

Climate Change?

Why don't you address it to the huge coal firer's like China.

Britain has reversed its output to 1% of world polluters compared to.

Facts not fiction.
I think you totally missed the point of the post you replied to there.

[Jones28]

Climate Change?

Why don't you address it to the huge coal firer's like China.

Britain has reversed its output to 1% of world polluters compared to.

Facts not fiction.

Do you exclusively post when steaming on a Saturday night?

[A Hi-Bee]

Anyone else genuinely curious as to how they will deal with the Queen passing away and Charles taking the crown? Will they still be so loyal to someone that’s expressed concern about things like climate change and poverty?

That will be no problem for them, they just need to wait a wee bit longer then they will have there very own King Billy once more, not by coincidence for sure.
:greengrin

[Hibernia&Alba]

Aye he was on a mission last night. One belter of a post that I’m not surprised to see has since been removed.

Just a wild guess, but I suspect alcohol may have been involved :greengrin

[Since90+2]

The most vile set of fans in the country by a distance.

[Since452]

Hate everything that club stands for and immediately judge anyone I find out supports them. Why would any decent member of society want to involve themselves with that horrible club and the dregs of society that follow them? I'm not buying the minority pish. I know Rangers fans young and old who just can't help themselves. If I never saw another Rangers fan at Easter Road again I'd be over the moon. Absolutely Scotland's shame.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Hate everything that club stands for and immediately judge anyone I find out supports them. Why would any decent member of society want to involve themselves with that horrible club and the dregs of society that follow them? I'm not buying the minority pish. I know Rangers fans young and old who just can't help themselves. If I never saw another Rangers fan at Easter Road again I'd be over the moon. Absolutely Scotland's shame.

Not every Rangers fan is in it for a sash bash. There are those who are supporting their local club, just like their ancestors did. Others are glory-hunters who want to be associated with a big club. That said, it wasn't just a minority singing The Billy Boys at Ibrox last week, a song they all know is banned. Sectarianism and anti-Irish sentiment is the core identity of the club.

[Iggy Pope]

Hate everything that club stands for and immediately judge anyone I find out supports them. Why would any decent member of society want to involve themselves with that horrible club and the dregs of society that follow them? I'm not buying the minority pish. I know Rangers fans young and old who just can't help themselves. If I never saw another Rangers fan at Easter Road again I'd be over the moon. Absolutely Scotland's shame.

I know what you mean. I think the immediate worst anytime I get introduced to a Hun. There have been a few exceptions in my time and there are more than a couple I can count as friends, but it never goes away.

[hibsbollah]

I know what you mean. I think the immediate worst anytime I get introduced to a Hun. There have been a few exceptions in my time and there are more than a couple I can count as friends, but it never goes away.

:agree: I’m guilty of it as well, I need plenty of evidence before I can be friendly with or properly trust a Rangers fan. It’s just the way it is.

[HappyAsHellas]

I have found out during my life that there are Rangers fans and there are Huns. Sadly the latter greatly outnumber the former.

[Keith_M]

"I only go for the football. I don't take part in the singing".

That was the defence of an Ibrox ST holder I work with when challenged (not by me) about sectarian singing at Ibrox.... and one I've heard so many times.


Imagine, for a minute, that you supported a football team where a large proportion of their fans were associated with White Supremacist groups, and they sang songs about their glorious white culture, killing black people and lyrics that included "Slavery is over, why don't you go home".

Even if you didn't join in, but were happy to sit in that environment, how could you possibly justify that?

:dunno:


I'm honestly struggling to see how anybody could think either of those scenarios (one sadly real) would be acceptable.

[Kato]

I have found out during my life that there are Rangers fans and there are Huns. Sadly the latter greatly outnumber the former....and the former are often disgusted but are scared of the latter.

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[gbhibby]

"I only go for the football. I don't take part in the singing".

That was the defence of an Ibrox ST holder I work with when challenged (not by me) about sectarian singing at Ibrox.... and one I've heard so many times.


Imagine, for a minute, that you supported a football team where a large proportion of their fans were associated with White Supremacist groups, and they sang songs about their glorious white culture, killing black people and lyrics that included "Slavery is over, why don't you go home".

Even if you didn't join in, but were happy to sit in that environment, how could you possibly justify that?

:dunno:


I'm honestly struggling to see how anybody could think either of those scenarios (one sadly real) would be acceptable.
Good Post Keith. There is a team in Israel called Beitar who are anti Muslim and anti Arab and have friends in the Israeli government their fans come out with the same type of bile that Rangers fans do against Arabs and Muslims. They are called out for being a racist club so why do we not call out The Rangers for racism.
Marches by far right racist groups have been banned in the UK so why do we still allow Orange Walks which cause offence to right minded people.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Good Post Keith. There is a team in Israel called Beitar who are anti Muslim and have friends in the Israeli government their fans come out with the same type of bile that Rangers fans do against Arabs and Muslims. They are called out for being a racist club so why do we not call out The Rangers for racism.
Marches by far right racist groups have been banned in the UK so why do we still allow Orange Walks which cause offence to right minded people.

Isn't Netanyahu a supporter?

[gbhibby]

Isn't Netanyahu a supporter?
Yes. Interesting video on YouTube about that club signing two Muslim players from one of the old Russian satellite states. The fans comments when the club signed these players was like the comments from Rangers fans when Mo Johnston signed.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Yes. Interesting video on YouTube about that club signing two Muslim players from one of the old Russian satellite states. The fans comments when the club signed these players was like the comments from Rangers fans when Mo Johnston signed.

I was about twelve when MoJo signed for Rangers. I remember it being on the news, with lunatics outside Ibrox, setting fire to their season books :greengrin

[Iggy Pope]

Yes. Interesting video on YouTube about that club signing two Muslim players from one of the old Russian satellite states. The fans comments when the club signed these players was like the comments from Rangers fans when Mo Johnston signed.

Larkhall bus immediately cancelled!
I was on my honeymoon in Cyprus, pre-mobile phones and media, and trying to explain to folks how seismic that signing was at the time left anyone with a brain absolutely baffled.

[gbhibby]

Wonder how many times Hearts fans will sing about being up to their knees next week after all that has gone on with The Rangers fans.
There are Hearts fans that want nothing to do with the Rangers stuff.

[oldbutdim]

I was about twelve when MoJo signed for Rangers. I remember it being on the news, with lunatics outside Ibrox, setting fire to their season books :greengrin

Things have moved on quite a bit though.


They’d have to try and burn plastic cards nowadays.

[gbhibby]

All gone quiet on the bigot front. No more reported arrests. Fans have been given indefinite bans by the club, careful choice of words by The Rangers by the way. Why not lifetime bans?
Thinking back to to 2016 the witch hunt went on for weeks. Says it all about the press.

[cabbageandribs1875]

All gone quiet on the bigot front. No more reported arrests. Fans have been given indefinite bans by the club, careful choice of words by The Rangers by the way. Why not lifetime bans?
Thinking back to to 2016 the witch hunt went on for weeks. Says it all about the press.



and the rest

[Since452]

All gone quiet on the bigot front. No more reported arrests. Fans have been given indefinite bans by the club, careful choice of words by The Rangers by the way. Why not lifetime bans?
Thinking back to to 2016 the witch hunt went on for weeks. Says it all about the press.

Full page spread of faces in the Record. "Do you know these people?". Amazing how the vile bigots/racists aren't getting the same treatment from the press.

[JimBHibees]

All gone quiet on the bigot front. No more reported arrests. Fans have been given indefinite bans by the club, careful choice of words by The Rangers by the way. Why not lifetime bans?
Thinking back to to 2016 the witch hunt went on for weeks. Says it all about the press.

Not just the press the police also. Pretty sure it was still be investigated a year or so later.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/tamsellicsoniii/status/1435724365904162823?s=21


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[JeMeSouviens]

https://twitter.com/tamsellicsoniii/status/1435724365904162823?s=21


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1. is that a woman on the left?
2. is she painted in Ronseal?

Got to be a pisstake? Please tell me it is!

Edit - think they've slowed the audio down to make them sound even thicker?

Edit2 - even at the right speed, ffs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xib2A20gumE

[Moulin Yarns]

1. is that a woman on the left?
2. is she painted in Ronseal?

Got to be a pisstake? Please tell me it is!

Edit - think they've slowed the audio down to make them sound even thicker?

Edit2 - even at the right speed, ffs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xib2A20gumE

YouTube has a lot to answer for. 😉

[SideBurns]

I was about twelve when MoJo signed for Rangers. I remember it being on the news, with lunatics outside Ibrox, setting fire to their season books :greengrin

Meanwhile, on the other side: I was an apprentice on the building sites at the time, and mind working alongside a couple of Celtic fans who were earnest in their belief Mojo would be assasinated. Radio rental 😄

[CMurdoch]

https://twitter.com/tamsellicsoniii/status/1435724365904162823?s=21


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