Derby Next

[Juniper Greens]

Next up for us is the big one at Tiny.

How do people feel about this? It's difficult to argue that Hearts haven't had a very strong start to the season. They were lucky to get celtic before their signings arrived, but still had to beat them. St Mirren away, we would have been hoping for 3 points for us, Aberdeen home and United away are tough games though.
Has anyone seen them this season? How are they playing etc?
Away Derby, I'd probably take a point and then move onto the next game

[The Spaceman]

Our squad is much stronger than theirs. I’d only take Craig Gordon from their team in our fully fit starting 11. We absolutely should be going there to win.

[Bishop Hibee]

We always look like scoring but the way the team is set up means we are susceptible at the back. They’ll kick everything that moves as usual so we need a strong ref. A win would really set a marker for the rest of the season. 1-2 Hibs

[hibby rae]

I'll take a draw tbh on their current form, plus don't want them winning and taking our spot at the top of the league 😉 I expect Craig Gordon to be at his best. Although I think we have the better team, and coach, overall.


It's interesting to compare squads and signings, our seems to be thinking of the long game, and developing players more often whereas they seem to be chasing instant success. Which they have a history of. E.g. Nisbet, great signing and will make us a profit, when moving on to bigger and better things. Compare this to Boyce. A very good striker at this level but after Hearts he'll go somewhere down the order rather than up a notch.

[Borderhibbie76]

They were very lucky to beat a poor Celtic on week 1 only saw highlights since and they didn't look too great against St M or Sheep tbh but I did think they looked decent yesterday- no denying it's a real test for us but we can absolutely go there and get the 3 pts

[Since452]

Won our last two at Tynecastle so should be looking to make it three.

[JohnM1875]

Not too worried about it right now. Probably because it's a few weeks away.

But we have a much better team than them and quite confident of a win. Think Boyle will run riot.

[lord bunberry]

Next up for us is the big one at Tiny.

How do people feel about this? It's difficult to argue that Hearts haven't had a very strong start to the season. They were lucky to get celtic before their signings arrived, but still had to beat them. St Mirren away, we would have been hoping for 3 points for us, Aberdeen home and United away are tough games though.
Has anyone seen them this season? How are they playing etc?
Away Derby, I'd probably take a point and then move onto the next game
I’ve watched their first 3 games and wasn’t overly impressed with them. They’ve got a match winner in Boyce and are quite physical in midfield with Harring and Halliday. They’ll try their usual tactics of kicking everything that moves, but if we can get Boyle and Hopefully Murphy running at them I reckon we’ll create plenty chances.

[Since452]

I’ve watched their first 3 games and wasn’t overly impressed with them. They’ve got a match winner in Boyce and are quite physical in midfield with Harring and Halliday. They’ll try their usual tactics of kicking everything that moves, but if we can get Boyle and Hopefully Murphy running at them I reckon we’ll create plenty chances.

Any news on Murphy's injury?

[Borderhibbie76]

Any news on Murphy's injury?

Hamstring issue again so unlikely to see him for 3 or 4 weeks I'd guess mate

[coldingham hibs]

Watched Hearts a few times this season. 3 front players very lively and will pose a real threat. Midfield not creative but solid, essentially 4 defensive midfielders. Their defence is decent but have flaws and leave spaces. I’m the forever pessimist and while Hibs are far more creative I expect Hearts will dominate midfield with their physicality and their front 3 will create plenty of chances. They put lots of crosses in the box. Boyce is very good, I’d love him to be at Hibs as I think he would score a load of goals alongside Nisbet & Boyle. Unfortunately I see this being 2-0 Hearts.

[GreenCastle]

As we know it’s always a different type of game at Tynie due to the smallest pitch in Scotland.

I think they are favourites with all our injuries currently and we have been poor the last 2 derbies.

Gordon could be the difference- Macey will need a good performance.

GMS loves scoring against us this is also a concern. Watching us yesterday while we won I’m still not convinced we have enough depth and quality/character for these type of games.

[bigwheel]

Watched Hearts a few times this season. 3 front players very lively and will pose a real threat. Midfield not creative but solid, essentially 4 defensive midfielders. Their defence is decent but have flaws and leave spaces. I’m the forever pessimist and while Hibs are far more creative I expect Hearts will dominate midfield with their physicality and their front 3 will create plenty of chances. They put lots of crosses in the box. Boyce is very good, I’d love him to be at Hibs as I think he would score a load of goals alongside Nisbet & Boyle. Unfortunately I see this being 2-0 Hearts.

Not sure about the prediction but think that’s a fair analysis of them…will be a very tight game ..we will need to defend at our best to come away with a win

[007]

First goal will be crucial, they will kill the game with fouling (even more) and time wasting if they go 1 up.

[Not In The Know]

Next up for us is the big one at Tiny.

How do people feel about this? It's difficult to argue that Hearts haven't had a very strong start to the season. They were lucky to get celtic before their signings arrived, but still had to beat them. St Mirren away, we would have been hoping for 3 points for us, Aberdeen home and United away are tough games though.
Has anyone seen them this season? How are they playing etc?
Away Derby, I'd probably take a point and then move onto the next game


watched their game v Aberdeen. A lot of huff and puff 100 mile an hour stuff (will suit a derby) all the do is punt it down the wings and try and get crosses into the box. Which might not suit us.

[chrisski33]

Tbh feel nervous and always do ahead of a derby. They seem to have the upperhand on us despite our squad looking stronger. I know its only the first derby of season but its a big one

[Borderhibbie76]

Tbh feel nervous and always do ahead of a derby. They seem to have the upperhand on us despite our squad looking stronger. I know its only the first derby of season but its a big one

Same here mate always make me nervous Derbies

[SHODAN]

We'll be fine.

[Pretty Boy]

We are a good team but I don't think there is any merit in playing down Hearts start to the season. They have had a tougher start to the season than us and walked away with 10 points. From what I have seen of them it isn't pretty but it's evidently been effective.

Given literally decades of historical precedent I can't understand how some Hibs fans can confidently predict we will win a derby easily, particularly at Tynecastle.

It's set up to be a cracker. Chance to set down a marker early, 2 teams in good form and riding high in the early stages of the league. It's certainly not going to be easy for anyone though, if we win there you can be sure we will have had to be at close to our best to earn that.

[1van Sprou7e]

I don't think they're actually very good, main concern is Craig Gordon having another great game

[RyeSloan]

I don't think they're actually very good, main concern is Craig Gordon having another great game

You don’t have to be good to be effective.

Robbie’s teams are never going to be easy on the eye but you can be sure they will stick to their game plan and ensure there is a little football breaking out as possible.

Add in the mini pitch at Tynie and we are going to have to earn the win that’s for sure.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I’ve watched their first 3 games and wasn’t overly impressed with them. They’ve got a match winner in Boyce and are quite physical in midfield with Harring and Halliday. They’ll try their usual tactics of kicking everything that moves, but if we can get Boyle and Hopefully Murphy running at them I reckon we’ll create plenty chances.

They'll just use there usual rotational fouling system in Hibs half and then get 11 men behind the ball. If they don't foul players in Hearts half they don't seem to get booked. Levein tactics.

[Aldo]

Guaranteed GMS penalty when we play them!


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[SChibs]

I watched sportscene last night and most of the highlights seemed to be Dundee Utd chances but I think Hearts had more of the ball overall. We should absolutely be going for the win as we have better footballers but a draw wouldn't be a bad result. (Depending on missed chances, etc)

[NAE NOOKIE]

Watched their games with Celtic and Aberdeen, even though Celtic utterly dominated they still managed two goals in a second half where they improved considerably. In the Aberdeen game the thing that stood out was the tempo they played at, every ball was competed for and when in possession their first thought was to get the ball forward quickly .... the midfielder they signed from Everton, Beni Baningimie, looked a player in the Celtic game and he was just as effective against Aberdeen.

In typical Hertz fashion this is a team set up to battle and scrap for the ball and we will not win the derby if we allow it to descend into a war of attrition .... in the Aberdeen game they stopped them playing out from the back with a high energy press and it's guaranteed they will do the same to us, if they force us to play long there is no way we are going to win punts up the park, we couldn't against Livvi yesterday the few times we were forced into it and it's even less likely we will be able to do it against their land of the giants back 4, especially without Doidge.

We are going to have to win this one with superior skill, if we can get Newell, Magennis and Doyle-Hayes back together for the game we can outplay them, but they will have to be brave on the ball.

[cocteautwin]

I think we’ll finish above them at end of season but don’t think we’ll beat them this game. A draw would be a good result.

[Billy Whizz]

Let’s just chill for a couple of weeks

[Dashing Bob S]

They aren’t anything special but we’ve been beaten by average Hearts teams in the past. We need to compete as well as play football to win.

[Sir David Gray]

20ish years of going to Tynecastle suggests this will be anything but a walk in the park for us.

I hope we win obviously but there's unlikely to be much more than a goal in it either way.

[southern hibby]

Want Hibs to keep possession and not give the ball away cheaply. If we do this I can see us being very effective against them. As folk have said it will be a physical midfield fight with constant rotational fouling.

I also think they will put 2 on Boyle which will leave Scott free to Exploit the extra space.


GGTTH

[Barney McGrew]

A lot of it will depend of the referee.

As usual they’ll kick everything that moves if they’re allowed, and you can stick your mortgage on Boyle being black and blue by the final whistle unless the officials clamp down on them early on.

And a penalty for them is an absolute guarantee.

[Steve20]

People keep saying going into every derby how were stronger than them and should beat them. Yes, maybe we should be but we genuinely don’t. It’s time this team showed that Hearts aren’t that good and nothing to worry about.

Absolutely no excuse not to beat them. Win. Nothing else is acceptable.

[Cod Boy]

The boy ginnely looks a threat on the wing

[H18 SFR]

I can see it ending 0-0 or 1-1.

[Magpie]

It’s going to be tough. If we win that game then we are looking good. Ross hasn’t had the best of luck against them the last two times we have played, hopefully we can improve on that.

[PatHead]

The boy ginnely looks a threat on the wing

Never even got a start yesterday. Can't be that good.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Have we ever in history won three in a row there? I’m not sure we have. That’s our incentive.

[SChibs]

The boy ginnely looks a threat on the wing

I don't think he has much of an end product but he's a big guy and he'll be up against Doig. Doigs a good played but I'm worried he could be bullied but ginnely

[hfc-1875]

Think it’s going to be a good game. I’ve no doubt we have a better team and hopefully we prove it on the day. Think it will be tight and we will edge it 1-0 with winner coming late on

[H18 SFR]

I don't think he has much of an end product but he's a big guy and he'll be up against Doig. Doigs a good played but I'm worried he could be bullied but ginnely

I think it might be a day for Stevenson starting. The lack of space on the very tight park naturally works against Doig.

[Since90+2]

I don't think he has much of an end product but he's a big guy and he'll be up against Doig. Doigs a good played but I'm worried he could be bullied but ginnely

Ginnelly is about 4 or 5 inches shorter than Doig. Not big at all.

[Cod Boy]

Never even got a start yesterday. Can't be that good.

Neither did Scott Allan does that mean he ain’t that good

[Ronniekirk]

Never even got a start yesterday. Can't be that good.

Saving him fir the Derby Pat


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[PatHead]

Neither did Scott Allan does that mean he ain’t that good

Not as good as the other midfielders we have available at this time.

[PatHead]

Saving him fir the Derby Pat


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Don't think you rest him 2 weeks before a match. The point I am making is that if he was that good he would start every week.

[SChibs]

Ginnelly is about 4 or 5 inches shorter than Doig. Not big at all.

You're right I just checked. I watched the highlights yesterday and he looked massive

[Widhibs]

Game's got draw all over it.

[Magpie]

Game's got draw all over it.

As much as I would love to win the game, I would be happy with a draw.

[LaMotta]

This will be as good a Hearts team as we've faced in years. Good keeper, no real weaknesses in defence - agricultural centre mids and pace on wings with Ginnelly and GMS, and Boyce is decent.

In Boyle and Nisbet we've got 2 of the best players in the league though. First goal could be vital.

[JimBHibees]

Going to be nothing more than very difficult. They have beaten Celtic and drawn with Aberdeen there plus won two tricky away games. We need to be right at it and not gift goals like we have in our two away games up till now. We play like we play at Dundee we lose.

[Juniper Greens]

This will be as good a Hearts team as we've faced in years. Good keeper, no real weaknesses in defence - agricultural centre mids and pace on wings with Ginnelly and GMS, and Boyce is decent.

In Boyle and Nisbet we've got 2 of the best players in the league though. First goal could be vital.

This is exactly how I feel. I genuinely think we have better players on the whole, but they are better than the have been

[wookie70]

We always look like scoring but the way the team is set up means we are susceptible at the back. They’ll kick everything that moves as usual so we need a strong ref. A win would really set a marker for the rest of the season. 1-2 Hibs

They probably will kick everything that moves but I was very surprised watching their highlights last night. They were patient and played it short and looked like a football team. If a game of football breaks out I think we will be red hot favourites. I hope we get a ref that isn't the main talking point. The quality of refereeing is actually worse this year and that is almost hard to believe

[CMurdoch]

Folk won't like this but hey ho.

I have my own league table for Hibs, Hearts & Aberdeen

In any game against the Old Firm a loss counts for nothing and any points gained are added
In any game between any of the 3 protagonists a loss counts as -1 point, a draw 0 and a win 2 points
In any game against any other team in the league a loss counts as -3 points, a draw as -2 and a win as 0

So after 4 games the table sits as follow:
+3 points Hearts (as a result of beating Celtic)
-2 points Hibs (as a result of drawing with Dundee)
-2 points Aberdeen (as a result of drawing with Ross Co.)

Said you wouldn't like it!

So i'm looking for Hibs to beat Hearts which would elevate us to 0 points and see Hearts fall to a slender 1 point lead on +1

I'll get ma coat :wink:

[Brummie_Hibs]

Every single time, we have had a time to stamp down our authority, put a marker in the sand, show the league we mean business, whatever you want to cal it, Hibs ultimately **** it up.

I ain't gonna call it different this time

[Since90+2]

Every single time, we have had a time to stamp down our authority, put a marker in the sand, show the league we mean business, whatever you want to cal it, Hibs ultimately **** it up.

I ain't gonna call it different this time

That's the spirit.

[Peevemor]

Folk won't like this but hey ho.

I have my own league table for Hibs, Hearts & Aberdeen

In any game against the Old Firm a loss counts for nothing and any points gained are added
In any game between any of the 3 protagonists a loss counts as -1 point, a draw 0 and a win 2 points
In any game against any other team in the league a loss counts as -3 points, a draw as -2 and a win as 0

So after 4 games the table sits as follow:
+3 points Hearts (as a result of beating Celtic)
-2 points Hibs (as a result of drawing with Dundee)
-2 points Aberdeen (as a result of drawing with Ross Co.)

Said you wouldn't like it!

So i'm looking for Hibs to beat Hearts which would elevate us to 0 points and see Hearts fall to a slender 1 point lead on +1

I'll get ma coat :wink:Ross out!

[Since452]

Will be a weird atmosphere with Hearts new songs. Carnaval de Paris and Starman belted out at Tannadice yesterday. Weird that they'd copy their city rivals songbook.

[Mickey Weir]

I watched the game v Utd yesterday and this is a different Hearts team to the usual hammer throwers. They have real pace and the boy they signed from Everton is a step up. They also keep possession very well and of course have Gordon in goal who seems to get better with age.

im not confident at all and can see us taking a beating on this occasion.

[makaveli1875]

The 2 form teams . Home advantage them but we'll get chances just hope we can take them . Gordon always plays his best games against us so probably going to have to come up with something magical to score.

[Hiber-nation]

I watched the game v Utd yesterday and this is a different Hearts team to the usual hammer throwers. They have real pace and the boy they signed from Everton is a step up. They also keep possession very well and of course have Gordon in goal who seems to get better with age.

im not confident at all and can see us taking a beating on this occasion.

Aye nice one Mickey. They were average at best v the sheep and should have got beaten by 6 or 7 at Celtic Park. Hearts fans I know aren't confident either....

[CloudSquall]

I'm forever the pessimist when it comes to derbies so I predict the below..

Hearts will press and kick anything that moves from the off but the first card will be shown to a Hibs player that makes a fair challenge.

We'll resort to long desperate punts up the park that their defence will lap up all day long.

GMS will be made to look like Messi at his untouchable best and Boyce will magically turn into Lewandowski.

Gordon will once again transform into Neur and pull off some unexplainable derby save immediately prior to them scuffing one in after a game of pinball in our six yard box.


I hope I'm wrong but I've seen the script play out far too many times..

[gbhibby]

We usually play better at Tinycastle. Just need to be streetwise against them as they do go down easily and that is not just GMS. I think we need to keep momentum going laying down a marker against them.
Its their biggest game but we should expect to take care of a newly promoted team. They have improved their squad but we are looking strong in the middle of the park

[Pagan Hibernia]

I watched the game v Utd yesterday and this is a different Hearts team to the usual hammer throwers. They have real pace and the boy they signed from Everton is a step up. They also keep possession very well and of course have Gordon in goal who seems to get better with age.

im not confident at all and can see us taking a beating on this occasion.

of course there’s a chance we might lose.

that said, if you’re right and they do actually get it down and try to play… I think that suits us. Certainly more than the usual kick and rush rubbish from them on that wee five a side pitch.

[Pagan Hibernia]

We usually play better at Tinycastle. Just need to be streetwise against them as they do go down easily and that is not just GMS. I think we need to keep momentum going laying down a marker against them.
Its their biggest game but we should expect to take care of a newly promoted team. They have improved their squad but we are looking strong in the middle of the park

do we?? We were awful there for years and years until 2019

[dchibs]

Will be a weird atmosphere with Hearts new songs. Carnaval de Paris and Starman belted out at Tannadice yesterday. Weird that they'd copy their city rivals songbook.

I see they where copying their big brothers hello hello up to their knees again according to sickback.

[SHODAN]

Hey guys, it's the board's resident derby pessimist here with my two cents.

They take this game more seriously than us, and other than a brief period around the cup win I haven't seen any inclination from Hibs that it'll change; case in point being last year's semi and the two recent defeats at ER to the worst Hearts team in decades. For that reason they're always going to be favourites at Tynecastle. I'll take a "go in, get a draw, get out" scenario gladly.

[California-Hibs]

They'd bite our hands off for players like Doig, Porteous, Nisbet, Doidge, Boyle, Magennis, Scott Allan, Doyle-Hayes, Murphy

Absolutely all of them would walk into their team. We should be going there to win, no two ways about it and I'll be disappointed if we don't. They still think they have this superiority and completely brush away they've been tucked away in the Championship, Hibs are the latest team to win silverware out the two of us, we enjoyed European Football this season, won the last 2 on the trot at their place etc.

Shift the mindset any Hibees that still need to. These days this is a very bang average Hearts. Its not that side of Edinburgh that currently operate top spot in the league...

Hearts 1-3 Hibs

[gbhibby]

I see they where copying their big brothers hello hello up to their knees again according to sickback.
To be fair a majority said it had no place at their club.
Now going to rinse my eyes with optrex.

[bingo70]

Hey guys, it's the board's resident derby pessimist here with my two cents.

They take this game more seriously than us, and other than a brief period around the cup win I haven't seen any inclination from Hibs that it'll change; case in point being last year's semi and the two recent defeats at ER to the worst Hearts team in decades. For that reason they're always going to be favourites at Tynecastle. I'll take a "go in, get a draw, get out" scenario gladly.

Agreed.

I think we’ll lose the derby, will be happy enough with a point.

[Jones28]

Hey guys, it's the board's resident derby pessimist here with my two cents.

They take this game more seriously than us, and other than a brief period around the cup win I haven't seen any inclination from Hibs that it'll change; case in point being last year's semi and the two recent defeats at ER to the worst Hearts team in decades. For that reason they're always going to be favourites at Tynecastle. I'll take a "go in, get a draw, get out" scenario gladly.

Yepp. Same here. I’ve seen too many derbies where we’re the better “football” team and get beat.

[Since452]

We are more than capable of winning there. It's a 50/50 game for me but we've won our last two there so we will see. Certainly not going to make any outlandish claims about pumping them.

[GreenCastle]

Watched their games with Celtic and Aberdeen, even though Celtic utterly dominated they still managed two goals in a second half where they improved considerably. In the Aberdeen game the thing that stood out was the tempo they played at, every ball was competed for and when in possession their first thought was to get the ball forward quickly .... the midfielder they signed from Everton, Beni Baningimie, looked a player in the Celtic game and he was just as effective against Aberdeen.

In typical Hertz fashion this is a team set up to battle and scrap for the ball and we will not win the derby if we allow it to descend into a war of attrition .... in the Aberdeen game they stopped them playing out from the back with a high energy press and it's guaranteed they will do the same to us, if they force us to play long there is no way we are going to win punts up the park, we couldn't against Livvi yesterday the few times we were forced into it and it's even less likely we will be able to do it against their land of the giants back 4, especially without Doidge.

We are going to have to win this one with superior skill, if we can get Newell, Magennis and Doyle-Hayes back together for the game we can outplay them, but they will have to be brave on the ball.

The key point here is they will press us high - they play 3-4-3

So basically force us to play long or to play under pressure.

My concern is we don’t have anyone up top to win the aerial battles now Doidge is injured.

We have seen it numerous derbies - we are either going to have to be very good at playing it on the deck (the tiny pitch should be fine this time of the year but we need to be good at quick passing) or if we go long we need to compete physically.

I still think the small pitch makes it hard for even a very good team to get into any sort of rhythm- so basically it will be a battle / some quick football and who can take their chances.

Our wide defenders will need to be good dealing with 1v1s.

It’s a real test to see how Jack Ross and the team do in this game. Remember Boyle is in Australia only a few days before too so not ideal. We need to add players but will they be match fit to start.

[superfurryhibby]

Hey guys, it's the board's resident derby pessimist here with my two cents.

They take this game more seriously than us, and other than a brief period around the cup win I haven't seen any inclination from Hibs that it'll change; case in point being last year's semi and the two recent defeats at ER to the worst Hearts team in decades. For that reason they're always going to be favourites at Tynecastle. I'll take a "go in, get a draw, get out" scenario gladly.

I can't really accept that there are any differences between how seriously the clubs take the fixture and that this seriousness has an impact on the fixture outcome.

Equally, I find the idea that they'll always be favourites at Tiny because of this somehow ingrained attitude.

That said, I'll take a draw too.

[erin go bragh]

Won the last two at that PBS . Three in a row will do nicely.