Jack Ross’ coaching

[Unseen work]

For those that think we don’t have a specific style and that it just happens by chance.

https://academy.coachesvoice.com/programs/jack-ross-hibernian-match-preparation?categoryId=23029

Good insight to what we do.

There’s a couple of videos/interviews to click through.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Watched that earlier. Really insightful

Could listen to JR talk about football all day. We've got a good one here.

[Northernhibee]

One of the most intelligent Hibs managers in a very, very long time.

[Clarence]

Anything about how to deal with crosses into the box?

[SMAXXA]

Anything about how to deal with crosses into the box?

Sure one of the only crosses we put in on one of the clips was headed away 😂 the irony

[Peevemor]

I only watched the first video as I'm not subscribed, but it's clear as well as being very articulate he has a fantastic outlook/philosophies.

[Brightside]

He does a lot of the Level B coaching. Really intelligent and engaging tutor.

[Lendo]

https://www.coachesvoice.com/jack-ross-tactics-st-mirren-sunderland/

Think I posted this on the PM board a long while back. He does an excellent presentation here on a St Mirren game against Dundee United.

The amount of preparation and analysis really puts these games in to perspective. I’m sure there are plenty of keyboard managers that still think it’s like Football Manager and you just rock up and pick a starting eleven.

[Since452]

Impressive

[matty_f]

I only watched the first video as I'm not subscribed, but it's clear as well as being very articulate he has a fantastic outlook/philosophies.

:agree: I’ve said it a few times, we’ve won a watch with Jack Ross. He’s clearly already delivered good results for Hibs, in addition he’s recruited well with the recruitment team, improved players already at the club, and not been afraid to use youth players.

He’s not perfect, and one of his strengths is recognising that - in the interview he references creating problems with his decisions at times. It’s that awareness and willingness to not see that as a failure but an opportunity to improve that means we have a manager who is still to reach his peak, imho.

He’s very highly thought of by the players, and well respected in the game. I hope he’s here for a long time to come.

[JimBHibees]

:agree: I’ve said it a few times, we’ve won a watch with Jack Ross. He’s clearly already delivered good results for Hibs, in addition he’s recruited well with the recruitment team, improved players already at the club, and not been afraid to use youth players.

He’s not perfect, and one of his strengths is recognising that - in the interview he references creating problems with his decisions at times. It’s that awareness and willingness to not see that as a failure but an opportunity to improve that means we have a manager who is still to reach his peak, imho.

He’s very highly thought of by the players, and well respected in the game. I hope he’s here for a long time to come.

Agree completely if he keeps going the way he is with Hibs only a matter of time until he starts attracting interest.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

A note of caution - I once watched an Ian Cathro training session from the sidelines, and was very immpressed.

[Pretty Boy]

A note of caution - I once watched an Ian Cathro training session from the sidelines, and was very immpressed.

I think that's actually an interesting point. Cathro is a good coach; he hasn't had jobs at Newcastle, Wolves and now Spurs out of pity.

All the top coaches in Scotland and beyond have been through the same courses and at the higher levels the UEFA licenses are micro managed and very prescriptive. I'd wager that on a daily basis most coaches are running through sessions with their sides that are broadly similar.

Which begs the question what makes a good manager, as Ross is, and a bad one, such as Cathro? As coaches they will have a comparable level of football education so it must be something else. I think it comes down to their ability to communicate, get their ideas over and command respect. Ross has a presence, you can see the players respect him and want to learn from him. Cathro may have some of those abilities as a coach but as the main man, when it really matters I don't think he has.

[JimBHibees]

I think that's actually an interesting point. Cathro is a good coach; he hasn't had jobs at Newcastle, Wolves and now Spurs out of pity.

All the top coaches in Scotland and beyond have been through the same courses and at the higher levels the UEFA licenses are micro managed and very prescriptive. I'd wager that on a daily basis most coaches are running through sessions with their sides that are broadly similar.

Which begs the question what makes a good manager, as Ross is, and a bad one, such as Cathro? As coaches they will have a comparable level of football education so it must be something else. I think it comes down to their ability to communicate, get their ideas over and command respect. Ross has a presence, you can see the players respect him and want to learn from him. Cathro may have some of those abilities as a coach but as the main man, when it really matters I don't think he has.

Pretty clear Ross is levels above Cathro as a head coach.

[Brightside]

I think that's actually an interesting point. Cathro is a good coach; he hasn't had jobs at Newcastle, Wolves and now Spurs out of pity.

All the top coaches in Scotland and beyond have been through the same courses and at the higher levels the UEFA licenses are micro managed and very prescriptive. I'd wager that on a daily basis most coaches are running through sessions with their sides that are broadly similar.

Which begs the question what makes a good manager, as Ross is, and a bad one, such as Cathro? As coaches they will have a comparable level of football education so it must be something else. I think it comes down to their ability to communicate, get their ideas over and command respect. Ross has a presence, you can see the players respect him and want to learn from him. Cathro may have some of those abilities as a coach but as the main man, when it really matters I don't think he has.

It’s about adding leadership with all the coaching ability. Jack is a great man manager. Creates good relationships. But having a good technical coach like Cathro is a god send for a lead coach / manager.

[Peevemor]

In one of his interviews last week, Martin Boyle referred to JR as Jack, then said that he'd better not call him that and reverted to "the gaffer".

I might be looking too much into it but for me it showed that respect came out on top over friendship/affection.

Professional squads are full of alpha males and a manager needs to have a certain charisma/presence to assert his authority while at the same time keeping the entire squad happy.

Cathro could well be a technically better coach than JR, but there's no way that he'll ever get a top flight squad to follow him the way that the likes of JR can.

[Since452]

I was slightly on the fence when he was first linked to us but I've been nothing but impressed with him so far.

[Crunchie]

It’s about adding leadership with all the coaching ability. Jack is a great man manager. Creates good relationships. But having a good technical coach like Cathro is a god send for a lead coach / manager.
The managers job went tits up when they started paying players more than him.
Coaches now are a hit and a miss, you can have your Cathro's who you thought would be a revelation over the city, and you can have your Ross's who will hopefully be the real deal.
Whether Jack will get a proper go off it will be a different matter, for some reason there's a fair percentage who just aren't willing to buy into him.

[Brightside]

The managers job went tits up when they started paying players more than him.
Coaches now are a hit and a miss, you can have your Cathro's who you thought would be a revelation over the city, and you can have your Ross's who will hopefully be the real deal.
Whether Jack will get a proper go off it will be a different matter, for some reason there's a fair percentage who just aren't willing to buy into him.

Cathro remains a massively respected coach by those that work in football and can see past a couple of crap interviews. Instead of being personal as per go and actually watch some of his sessions. Absolutely up there with what has just been released on Jack.

[Crunchie]

Cathro remains a massively respected coach by those that work in football and can see past a couple of crap interviews. Instead of being personal as per go and actually watch some of his sessions. Absolutely up there with what has just been released on Jack.
He was a garbage manager and looked like a scared rabbit in the headlights.
You can have all the coaching badges in the world and have no clue whatsoever in managing a football team as has been proven in many a case.
I wonder what the likes of Shankley and Stein would make of todays game.

[bigwheel]

He was a garbage manager and looked like a scared rabbit in the headlights.
You can have all the coaching badges in the world and have no clue whatsoever in managing a football team as has been proven in many a case.
I wonder what the likes of Shankley and Stein would make of todays game.

the game has changed from the 60s, 70s and 80s. I suspect neither shankly nor Stein would be a cert to get on well in today’s world. Good Players have more power than clubs now , completely different ways of communicating and connecting with players. Motivating is much changed from their days.

The role of a coach is quite different from that of a head coach . It looks like Cathro
Isn’t made out for the head coach role, but it also looks like he is very good at what he now does

[Keith_M]

This is in no way meant as a criticism of Jack Ross but... does anybody else wonder if sometimes teams are 'over coached' (if that phrase makes sense)?


I only say that because one of the most enjoyable games I've watched in recent years was St Johnstone v Hibs in 2019, when Eddie May was in charge for one game, and he apparently told the team to 'just go out and enjoy themselves'.

After the drudgery of the previous dozen or so games under Hecky, it was like a revelation that we actually had decent players who could entertain... and win.

[Brightside]

He was a garbage manager and looked like a scared rabbit in the headlights.
You can have all the coaching badges in the world and have no clue whatsoever in managing a football team as has been proven in many a case.
I wonder what the likes of Shankley and Stein would make of todays game.

The game has advanced hugely since the days of Shankley and Stein. I don’t care about the coaching badges they have. Just go and watch their sessions. I’ve yet to meet anyone who isn’t impressed with Cathro in that situation. There are loads of A license coaches out there that I woundnt let teach my dog to sit. Malky McKay has all the badges and his sessions are murder.

[WhileTheChief..]

Top managers all have something about them. An aura, a presence, the x factor.

Guys that, when they speak, you listen.

At the other end, you have the Cathro's and Heckingbottom's. I always imagined them walking into the dressing room and having to ask the players to be quiet and listen to them.

Mourinho, Fergusson, Klopp etc - the room would go silent when they walk in.

I'd go so far as to say it's nothing to do with their coaching ability.

It's leadership, motivation, strategy. I remember Mourinho once saying his job was simply to help top players win things. Can't really argue with that.

Jack Ross has shown he knows what he his talking about and the players can therefore buy into. It also helps having an owner who gets it.

[bigwheel]

Top managers all have something about them. An aura, a presence, the x factor.

Guys that, when they speak, you listen.

At the other end, you have the Cathro's and Heckingbottom's. I always imagined them walking into the dressing room and having to ask the players to be quiet and listen to them.

Mourinho, Fergusson, Klopp etc - the room would go silent when they walk in.

I'd go so far as to say it's nothing to do with their coaching ability.

It's leadership, motivation, strategy. I remember Mourinho once saying his job was simply to help top players win things. Can't really argue with that.

Jack Ross has shown he knows what he his talking about and the players can therefore buy into. It also helps having an owner who gets it.

I think it’s much more nuanced than that these days.there isn’t a stereo typical great manager style anymore . Pep isn’t a big character in that way ..he explores and debates with players ..it’s the excellence of his views that wins them over …Klopp too isn’t a Ferguson type , much more two way dialogue in the dressing room these days - less command and control …

Leadership and motivation is definitely a huge part of it, but as the recent video of Ross shows, modern coaches know how to drill different behaviours into players too …

[Crunchie]

The game has advanced hugely since the days of Shankley and Stein. I don’t care about the coaching badges they have. Just go and watch their sessions. I’ve yet to meet anyone who isn’t impressed with Cathro in that situation. There are loads of A license coaches out there that I woundnt let teach my dog to sit. Malky McKay has all the badges and his sessions are murder.
The game is the same the only difference is the over paid prima donnas on the pitch and their fitness levels.

[bigwheel]

The game is the same the only difference is the over paid prima donnas on the pitch and their fitness levels.

Lol…….Ignoring completely that society has changed and what motivates the emerging generation is quite different from the previous ones …

[dangermouse]

This is in no way meant as a criticism of Jack Ross but... does anybody else wonder if sometimes teams are 'over coached' (if that phrase makes sense)?


I only say that because one of the most enjoyable games I've watched in recent years was St Johnstone v Hibs in 2019, when Eddie May was in charge for one game, and he apparently told the team to 'just go out and enjoy themselves'.

After the drudgery of the previous dozen or so games under Hecky, it was like a revelation that we actually had decent players who could entertain... and win.

I remember that game and the groans from the away stands when Newell and Doidge were named in the starting line up. At the end of the game, we knew we had a couple of good players, not the dud's we all assumed they were when Hecky took the team.

[bigwheel]

This is in no way meant as a criticism of Jack Ross but... does anybody else wonder if sometimes teams are 'over coached' (if that phrase makes sense)?


I only say that because one of the most enjoyable games I've watched in recent years was St Johnstone v Hibs in 2019, when Eddie May was in charge for one game, and he apparently told the team to 'just go out and enjoy themselves'.

After the drudgery of the previous dozen or so games under Hecky, it was like a revelation that we actually had decent players who could entertain... and win.

The players say the level of detail that Hecky went in to was way beyond anything they had ever had before…he literally was telling them precisely what to do and where to stand depending on situations on the park …..most of them really liked it, and values the input ..but it didn’t come across in performances that’s for sure ..so perhaps that was a case of being over coached …..


Ps. Hecky has the UEFA pro licence . I think Ross is currently one below that with the UEFA A licence (although may be out of date with that)

[Brightside]

The game is the same the only difference is the over paid prima donnas on the pitch and their fitness levels.

Sorry but that’s poppycock.

[Brightside]

The players say the level of detail that Hecky went in to was way beyond anything they had ever had before…he literally was telling them precisely what to do and where to stand depending on situations on the park …..most of them really liked it, and values the input ..but it didn’t come across in performances that’s for sure ..so perhaps that was a case of being over coached …..


Ps. Hecky has the UEFA pro licence . I think Ross is currently one below that with the UEFA A licence (although may be out of date with that)

Jack did his Pro in 2019.

[Crunchie]

Sorry but that’s poppycock.
The same could be said for a lot of your opinions, but you're allowed them all the same.
The game has been over complicated with science on this and that and what wee Gordon Strachan said when he was the studio host along with McLeish and McCann at the cup final made a lot of sense, to the older generation like me especially.
I get that the younger generation is always going to think there's a better way but in a game like football but the only difference from the players from yesteryear and today imo is fitness levels and a damn sight less skill.
You look at games from the 60s, 70s and the 80s and the excitement you had at games compared to today's fare that's served up. Winter pitches that were waterlogged or brick hard with ice, today's players wouldn't cross the touchline they're that pampered.

[Peevemor]

This is great. It'd be even better if I understood it.

https://twitter.com/academy_cv/status/1432268856223932418?s=19

[Is It On....]

I remember that game and the groans from the away stands when Newell and Doidge were named in the starting line up. At the end of the game, we knew we had a couple of good players, not the dud's we all assumed they were when Hecky took the team.

Prior to that game, Doidge had been played as a lone striker and Newall wide right. Heckingbottom didn't realise or wouldn't admit he was playing then out of position.

[Aim Here]

https://www.coachesvoice.com/jack-ross-tactics-st-mirren-sunderland/

Think I posted this on the PM board a long while back. He does an excellent presentation here on a St Mirren game against Dundee United.

The amount of preparation and analysis really puts these games in to perspective. I’m sure there are plenty of keyboard managers that still think it’s like Football Manager and you just rock up and pick a starting eleven.

You need to work on your Football Manager skillset. If you're not equipping your Annan Athletic team with a continental-style Mezzala and hiring a 17-year old Argentinian regen as a deep-lying inverted false 9, and ordering your team of part-time bricklayers to run tiki-taka circles around the cloggers at Cowdenbeath, then you're just doing it wrong.

[Danderhall Hibs]

This is great. It'd be even better if I understood it.

https://twitter.com/academy_cv/status/1432268856223932418?s=19

Happy to admit I’ve not got a clue what they were doing there - wouldn’t know where to start even if I was just doing the Boyle job.

[One Day Soon]

A note of caution - I once watched an Ian Cathro training session from the sidelines, and was very immpressed.

I wish there was a way to unread some posts.

[hibsbollah]

You need to work on your Football Manager skillset. If you're not equipping your Annan Athletic team with a continental-style Mezzala and hiring a 17-year old Argentinian regen as a deep-lying inverted false 9, and ordering your team of part-time bricklayers to run tiki-taka circles around the cloggers at Cowdenbeath, then you're just doing it wrong.

:greengrin
That’s pretty funny. And i am probably guilty of doing the same with u15s kids football.