Joe Newell missed today

[ArmadaleHibs]

Joe Newell is always surrounded by negativity by some of our fans but his ball holding and calm composure was sadly missed today and I feel we are a far far better team with joe starting. Gogic was like a headless chicken in the middle of the park today in Joe’s position.

Ggtth

[JohnM1875]

Joe Newell is always surrounded by negativity by some of our fans but his ball holding and calm composure was sadly missed today and I feel we are a far far better team with joe starting. Gogic was like a headless chicken in the middle of the park today in Joe’s position.

Ggtth

I've been really critical of Newell as being too negative. But I 100% agree we missed him massively today.

Mental how you (maybe just me) don't always realise what a player offers the team until they're missing.

[heretoday]

Joe Newell is always surrounded by negativity by some of our fans but his ball holding and calm composure was sadly missed today and I feel we are a far far better team with joe starting. Gogic was like a headless chicken in the middle of the park today in Joe’s position.

Ggtth

I agree. Him and Magennis are the smartest players in the team.

[B.H.F.C]

We did miss him. He’s been playing well this season. More so than last season IMO.

[hibee1875]

He’s always there to take the ball off the defence and the majority of the time will find a team mate with the pass.

We missed that a lot today. Some of the distribution out the back especially in the first 20 was really poor.

[Northernhibee]

We also miss Paul Hanlon badly too.

[JohnM1875]

We also miss Paul Hanlon badly too.

:agree:

[JimBHibees]

Joe Newell is always surrounded by negativity by some of our fans but his ball holding and calm composure was sadly missed today and I feel we are a far far better team with joe starting. Gogic was like a headless chicken in the middle of the park today in Joe’s position.

Ggtth

Agree he does the basic things pretty well and balances off Jdh and Kyle very well.

[I_Love_Latapy]

Joe Newell is always surrounded by negativity by some of our fans but his ball holding and calm composure was sadly missed today and I feel we are a far far better team with joe starting. Gogic was like a headless chicken in the middle of the park today in Joe’s position.

Ggtth

Completely agree. Its also the little movements he makes when we have the ball to make him always open for a pass.

[Eyrie]

He was very noticeable by his absence today. Doyle-Hayes was less effective as the only deep playmaker compared to having the two of them together, and it showed in our attempts to move the ball forward.

I'm beginning to wonder if Gogic should be the one to move on and Hallberg retained, based on our system.

[hibbysam]

Hardly surprising, boys a class act, defensively and offensively. Our midfield 3 works and are all ball players. Unfortunately Gogic isn’t and replacing one of them with Gogic doesn’t work.

As much as it hurts Magennis, if it ever happens again Allan must play with Magennis dropping deeper.

[Since452]

Hanlon, Newell, Nisbet and Doidge would walk in to any non Glasgow team and we had none of them today and still should have won. We have a really good squad when everyone fit.

[Iggy Pope]

Hanlon, Newell, Nisbet and Doidge would walk in to any non Glasgow team and we had none of them today and still should have won. We have a really good squad when everyone fit.

And maybe some Glasgow teams as well....we are suffering terribly with injuries and illness all at the same time. The squad looked great and getting better just two weeks ago.

[hibs#1]

He was very noticeable by his absence today. Doyle-Hayes was less effective as the only deep playmaker compared to having the two of them together, and it showed in our attempts to move the ball forward.

I'm beginning to wonder if Gogic should be the one to move on and Hallberg retained, based on our system.


With Gogic's recent performances I'd agree with you, he does have a particular skill set but that is very limited. His form has fell off a cliff recently.

[CmoantheHibs]

We are playing a totally different way this season to last but Joe is an integral part of both systems. We are far more expansive this season so will likely score and concede more. I often feel the defensive side of Joes game is overlooked by many but obviously not JR. He has him sit deeper restraining Joes natural instincts to get forward but I think we will see him in a much more offensive role once the players get used to the system and his understanding with JDH improves. He has already shown his abilities with a few through balls that Scott Allan would have been proud of. Could definitely do with improving his shooting this season though. I think any of our first pick 3 in midfield will be a miss for us so it’s an area we need to look at to get capable backups in that will allow us to keep that balance. Doubt that will be this window though unless some can be moved on.

[ekhibee]

I like Newall, he can certainly pick a pass as long has he is given the time to do so, but maybe I'm not as big a fan as others on here, I feel we are too reliant on him sometimes and once another team closes him down and doesn't allow him to pass as effectively we don't play as well and either get beat or drop points. That's just my opinion, I don't have the stats to back it up. I just feel we should have another option, to take some of the pressure away from him as IMO he isn't strong enough to carry the team, but something/somebody that would allow him to play at his optimum. It's just my opinion, as I said.

[#2 Double Tap]

I've been really critical of Newell as being too negative. But I 100% agree we missed him massively today.

Mental how you (maybe just me) don't always realise what a player offers the team until they're missing.

its how they all fit together imo.

doyles hayes - support/ball winner, newell- playmaker and magennis - box2box. Its a good mix, they looked great playing in the 4-3-3/4-5-1.

[#2 Double Tap]

I like Newall, he can certainly pick a pass as long has he is given the time to do so, but maybe I'm not as big a fan as others on here, I feel we are too reliant on him sometimes and once another team closes him down and doesn't allow him to pass as effectively we don't play as well and either get beat or drop points. That's just my opinion, I don't have the stats to back it up. I just feel we should have another option, to take some of the pressure away from him as IMO he isn't strong enough to carry the team, but something/somebody that would allow him to play at his optimum. It's just my opinion, as I said.

Thats the games i wanna see allan coming into, in place of newell.

[AlbertK86]

Totally agree. Massive miss today and Gogic totally changed the dynamic of the midfield and team.

We’ve had great control of nearly every match with Newell, JDH and Magennis on the pitch.

Today JDH and Magennis were not as effective as Gogic was a man short and a liability.

Hope I’m wrong but suspect Scotty Allan is nowhere near fit and may have had a relapse in his health or if not that is struggling to get back up to the pace and tempo we play at.

Can’t think of any reason Gogic would play ahead of him yesterday.

Definitely think JR likes him so hopefully this is temporary.

Would’ve given young Josh Campbell a run instead of Newell or at the very least brought him on at half time when it was obvious Gogic was having another howler.


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[wookie70]

Thats the games i wanna see allan coming into, in place of newell.

Allan looks like he has far less energy than he had and he was never close to a complete midfielder. He can only really play just behind the strikers and I would wager you would get more energy and drive from Magennis after he has worked hard for 80 minutes than Scottie is capable of at present. Not really sure where Allan fits into our set up of hard working midfielders who can do a bit of everything.

[CMurdoch]

The most effective replacement in our midfield yesterday would have been Hallberg.
Hopefully he will be ready to return before we need him again.
Hibs stated Newell out with a knock so nothing major.
Will he be back for Saturday?

[Brooster]

The most effective replacement in our midfield yesterday would have been Hallberg.
Hopefully he will be ready to return before we need him again.
Hibs stated Newell out with a knock so nothing major.
Will he be back for Saturday?

We will be lucky if he's still at the club come Saturday!!

[JimBHibees]

We will be luck if he's still at the club come Saturday!!

Joe Newell? Hope not as yesterday shows he is a key player in the team.

[flash]

We will be lucky if he's still at the club come Saturday!!

Seriously? Is he homesick? Always seems happy when you hear him.

[Billy Whizz]

We will be lucky if he's still at the club come Saturday!!

Newell or Hallberg?

[CMurdoch]

We will be lucky if he's still at the club come Saturday!!

Thought his injury would have put paid to a move.

[CMurdoch]

Joe Newell? Hope not as yesterday shows he is a key player in the team.

:rolleyes: This is how misinformation starts

[JimBHibees]

:rolleyes: This is how misinformation starts

So definitely Hallberg then. :greengrin

I did put a question mark after Newell as wasn't sure.

[Hibernian Verse]

I always got the impression that Ross liked Hallberg. I guess he would only leave if it was in search of starting XI football? Does he want to leave? Do we know?

[CMurdoch]

So definitely Hallberg then. :greengrin

I did put a question mark after Newell as wasn't sure.

:greengrin Billy Whizz is at it now!

[CMurdoch]

I always got the impression that Ross liked Hallberg. I guess he would only leave if it was in search of starting XI football? Does he want to leave? Do we know?

Think it all comes from an interview he did in Sweden.
The usual disappointed not to be playing more so might have to consider his options came out at some point.
Standard player chat to standard questions but in these times definitive meaning is attributed to every comment.
Ultimately he is under contract until the end of the season and if Ross has a roll for him he won't let him go.
Given the style our midfield is now playing he is more relevant than ever with Gogic now out of place.
I thought he was very good when he played last season and he probably fits like a glove in the current midfield.
His dislocated kneecap injury probably scuppered any chance there was of a move as well as his seamless introduction in place of Newell at Dundee.
I don't know if Brooster is in the know or if his opinion is based on that interview or just a feeling he has.

[Billy Whizz]

:greengrin Billy Whizz is at it now!

Sorry not at anything, was just asking Brooster who he meant😀

[scoopyboy]

Sorry not at anything, was just asking Brooster who he meant😀

I think Brooster was meaning Newell

[flash]

I think Brooster was meaning Newell

I will be gutted if that happens just as he is being fully appreciated.

[Stuart93]

I will be gutted if that happens just as he is being fully appreciated.

Likewise. Was saying on the PM board that we’ll surely need a replacement in if newell does go. Going ahead with hallberg or gogic in there fills me with dread for the rest of the season

[flash]

Likewise. Was saying on the PM board that we’ll surely need a replacement in if newell does go. Going ahead with hallberg or gogic in there fills me with dread for the rest of the season

Hallberg might do a lot better with the way we are playing now but we would surely need someone in too.
Hopefully he ain't going anywhere.

[Stuart93]

Hallberg might do a lot better with the way we are playing now but we would surely need someone in too.
Hopefully he ain't going anywhere.

Aye true but I think going from Newell to hallberg is a big downgrade

[CMurdoch]

Sorry not at anything, was just asking Brooster who he meant��

Originally thought it was obvious Brooster meant Hallberg but reading it back again it could be interpreted as Newell.

Still think he means Hallberg but he should probably confirm.
Newell always strikes me as happy with his lot at Hibs and his life outside it so would be very surprised if he was going anywhere.

Going to be a fraught week until the window closes.

[Unseen work]

Something I think people overlook with Newell is his physicality.

Yes he’s very comfortable on the ball and links play.

But he’s a big, athletic lad too. He puts himself about and presses the opposition into playing a long ball.

[flash]

Aye true but I think going from Newell to hallberg is a big downgrade

To clarify I hope Newall is going nowhere.

[hibbysam]

Something I think people overlook with Newell is his physicality.

Yes he’s very comfortable on the ball and links play.

But he’s a big, athletic lad too. He puts himself about and presses the opposition into playing a long ball.

His positioning helps this as well.

[CMurdoch]

Aye true but I think going from Newell to hallberg is a big downgrade

Going from Newell to Gogic was a frightening down grade.
Hallberg can play, retain the ball and tackle.
I think he would fit right in with the current style.

[Greenio]

You're only as good as your last game.

Or until someone else has a bad game and then they're the ones that are *****.

Wasn't long ago Newall was written off as a waste of a jersey on here.

Hallberg too.

Swings n roundabouts eh

[CentreLine]

I think Brooster was meaning Newell

Now if you and Brooster are saying that much Scoop it makes me very worried. Can either of you say more?

[#2 Double Tap]

Allan looks like he has far less energy than he had and he was never close to a complete midfielder. He can only really play just behind the strikers and I would wager you would get more energy and drive from Magennis after he has worked hard for 80 minutes than Scottie is capable of at present. Not really sure where Allan fits into our set up of hard working midfielders who can do a bit of everything.

i see the point you are making and if we were playing a straight 4-3-3 i would entirely agree re the all round midfielder types, but yesterday we set up as 4-2-3-1 and had magennis playing as an attacking midfielder with no real creativity anywhere in the midfield.

imo setting up with an attacking midfielder is fine when you have a deep laying playmaker (newell) but when there is no one behind to pick out the attacking midfielders runs into the box or play those typa through balls the tactic seem less effective.

allan in the no.10 position of a 4-2-3-1 offers us that creativity due to his ability to take the ball in tight situations and find those passes and through balls that unlock the teams who condense the pitch and defend deep; like dundee, st johnston or hearts.

allan playing as the advanced playmaker works with jdh and magennis behind him because they provide the energy he lacks. I would rather have 60 mins of allan providing a creative spark than have gogic playing 90 mins in a position that makes him look out of his depth as was the case yesterday.

we have a good few ways we can set up offensively and we can now approach games in a lotta different ways which i find pretty encouraging and exciting.

[Mr. Wonderful]

Now if you and Brooster are saying that much Scoop it makes me very worried. Can either of you say more?

Have heard of interest from the team he supports.

[Since90+2]

Have heard of interest from the team he supports.

Who is that? Birmingham?

[JimBHibees]

Who is that? Birmingham?

Think that is his team.

[CMurdoch]

Have heard of interest from the team he supports.

Do they still have the £2 million they offered for Nisbet?

[wookie70]

i see the point you are making and if we were playing a straight 4-3-3 i would entirely agree re the all round midfielder types, but yesterday we set up as 4-2-3-1 and had magennis playing as an attacking midfielder with no real creativity anywhere in the midfield.

imo setting up with an attacking midfielder is fine when you have a deep laying playmaker (newell) but when there is no one behind to pick out the attacking midfielders runs into the box or play those typa through balls the tactic seem less effective.

allan in the no.10 position of a 4-2-3-1 offers us that creativity due to his ability to take the ball in tight situations and find those passes and through balls that unlock the teams who condense the pitch and defend deep; like dundee, st johnston or hearts.

allan playing as the advanced playmaker works with jdh and magennis behind him because they provide the energy he lacks. I would rather have 60 mins of allan providing a creative spark than have gogic playing 90 mins in a position that makes him look out of his depth as was the case yesterday.

we have a good few ways we can set up offensively and we can now approach games in a lotta different ways which i find pretty encouraging and exciting.

In terms of the attacking midfielder/number 10 I would far rather have Magennis than Allan regardless of the system. He scores, has a great first touch is a a dynamo. Allan simply is a man short when we don't have the ball and arguably Gogic is the same when we do have the ball. I'd fire Josh Campbell in before Allan at the moment. He looks to have something about him and did not look out of place against Well. He would suit our system better than Allan imo.

Let's hope Newell is back soon though as the midfield central 3 all look like they complement each other really well. As said by other Hallberg would fit right into the Newell role but that is not to be at the moment. It is a wee bit chicken and egg with Allan as he would need games to get up to speed but for me he looked miles off it when he has came on. It isn't like we are struggling creatively at the moment without him and our energy levels have been very good this year as everyone works both going forward and in defence.

[CentreLine]

Have heard of interest from the team he supports.

Scary for sure. Newell is a top player in our league, has quick, feet, sees a pass and can give as good as he gets in a physical battle. Always liked him as a player and we would miss him badly if he was to go.

[scoopyboy]

Now if you and Brooster are saying that much Scoop it makes me very worried. Can either of you say more?

I don't know anything, I was merely stating that I thought Brooster was referring to Newell and not Hallberg.

[#2 Double Tap]

In terms of the attacking midfielder/number 10 I would far rather have Magennis than Allan regardless of the system. He scores, has a great first touch is a a dynamo. Allan simply is a man short when we don't have the ball and arguably Gogic is the same when we do have the ball. I'd fire Josh Campbell in before Allan at the moment. He looks to have something about him and did not look out of place against Well. He would suit our system better than Allan imo.

Let's hope Newell is back soon though as the midfield central 3 all look like they complement each other really well. As said by other Hallberg would fit right into the Newell role but that is not to be at the moment. It is a wee bit chicken and egg with Allan as he would need games to get up to speed but for me he looked miles off it when he has came on. It isn't like we are struggling creatively at the moment without him and our energy levels have been very good this year as everyone works both going forward and in defence.


against everyone outside the old firm, aberdeen or hearts i would expect us to regularly have the majority of possession, allan would help create more chances when a deep playmaker is not on the pitch in those sorta games.

Having Magennis in that position is great for the reasons you stated but when the people playing behind are not creating or presenting him with the opportunity to score it takes away from his game.

Yesterday magennis was pretty quiet compared to previous games and I think it was directly related to not having a deep playmaker on the pitch to dictate the game. if he was playing deeper (in place of gogic) yesterday, as a box to box player, we woulda got more outa him by utilising that dynamism you speak about and having an advanced playmaker taking up the ten role coulda allowed us to dominate the game in dundees half.( all imo o/c)

ps. when i look at our midfielders I see hallberg as decent cover for JDH or even Magennis if he was playing a box2box role but I dont think he has the attributes to come in and take up a playmaker role.

[CentreLine]

I don't know anything, I was merely stating that I thought Brooster was referring to Newell and not Hallberg.

Phew! Slightly better news then🤔