Can Josh Doig defend?

[CJHibby]

Great player going forward but a lot to learn defensively in my humble opinion.

[Northernhibee]

Yes he can, a very good player who had a bad game.

[Phil MaGlass]

Good player bad game.

[hibee]

Not seen much evidence that he can yet.

[easty]

Yes

[Bangkok Hibby]

He's much better going forward than he is at stopping crosses. Not just talking about todays game.

[EVENTUALLY]

Doig is a good player for his age. He could learn a wee bit from Lewis Stevenson how to quickly turn and block a cross. He will improve and is going to be a star.

[jeffers]

Should have sold him when we had the chance. He absolutely is a good player and could potentially be a very good one moving forward but that’s all it is IMO, potential. At the moment Louis is still the better defender.

[Allant1981]

Actually thought he would have been subbed at half time, the dundee right winger had doig in his back pocket today unfortunately

[MWHIBBIES]

Should have sold him when we had the chance. He absolutely is a good player and could potentially be a very good one moving forward but that’s all it is IMO, potential. At the moment Louis is still the better defender.

Glad the club is a bit more ambitious than this.

[truehibernian]

His run from halfway first half would have been on showreels all season if he’d managed to finish - poor first half defensively but second half Murphy dropped deeper to at least limit the space and help him out.

[JammyDoidger]

How is he a great player going forward? I'm not getting it? How many goals and assists did he get last season? I might be wrong but I think he is so over rated it's unreal.

[Mango Man]

You know what, I'm just not quite getting the Hype with Doig, loads of effort, good physique and potential is in there, but things just don't quite come off for him, gives the ball away a lot, not a good defender, I absolutely get he is young, but he has looked every inch the young laddie in most games he has played, not every game of course, but hope I am wrong and he can add a bit consistency to his game.

[Real Emerald]

He looked well off it today as did others. Maybe there were a few not feeling so great today like McGinn, who knows?

[RyeSloan]

You know what, I'm just not quite getting the Hype with Doig, loads of effort, good physique and potential is in there, but things just don't quite come off for him, gives the ball away a lot, not a good defender, I absolutely get he is young, but he has looked every inch the young laddie in most games he has played, not every game of course, but hope I am wrong and he can add a bit consistency to his game.

With you in most regards here…I’ve been pretty consistent on saying getting £2-£3m for him at this stage would have been tremendous value.

That said he has all the attributes required and buckets of potential but he clearly has a lot of learning still to do.

[easty]

Clubs down south making bids for him, yet our own fans think he can’t defend or attack.

He’s a young Hibs player. Get ****ing behind him…when he’s playing well and when he doesn’t!

[jeffers]

Glad the club is a bit more ambitious than this.

Why ? We were offered what I consider to be very good money for him. I think there is a danger some are falling for the hype. He is decent with a lot of promise. That’s it IMO. If he was in his early 20s putting in the same level of performances I doubt anyone would be saying he’s a million pound+ player.

[easty]

Why ? We were offered what I consider to be very good money for him. I think there is a danger some are falling for the hype. He is decent with a lot of promise. That’s it IMO. If he was in his early 20s putting in the same level of performances I doubt anyone would be saying he’s a million pound+ player.

Are Hibs aware that you think it’s very good money for him?

[ancient hibee]

Why ? We were offered what I consider to be very good money for him. I think there is a danger some are falling for the hype. He is decent with a lot of promise. That’s it IMO. If he was in his early 20s putting in the same level of performances I doubt anyone would be saying he’s a million pound+ player.

What an unrealistic comment. He’s not in his twenties is he? He’s a young player early in his career at this level. We lost no goals due to crosses from his wing today. Considering Murphy does little defending Doig has his work cut out.

[jeffers]

Are Hibs aware that you think it’s very good money for him?

Aye very good.

[jeffers]

What an unrealistic comment. He’s not in his twenties is he? He’s a young player early in his career at this level. We lost no goals due to crosses from his wing today. Considering Murphy does little defending Doig has his work cut out.

What’s unrealistic about it ? I don’t believe he’s done enough to warrant the fee Hibs are asking for. You are right he’s a young player, there is no guarantee he’s going to make dramatic improvements. I’m all for Hibs not letting players leave on the cheap, but there also needs to be some realism. He’s still got a huge amount to learn. He was culpable for Dundee’s equaliser today, although I’d blame Gogic more.

[Lith]

Not many hibs defenders can defend

[Itsnoteasy]

He's much better going forward than he is at stopping crosses. Not just talking about todays game.

Croatian lad in Europe also had him all over the place.

[ancient hibee]

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What’s unrealistic about it ? I don’t believe he’s done enough to warrant the fee Hibs are asking for. You are right he’s a young player, there is no guarantee he’s going to make dramatic improvements. I’m all for Hibs not letting players leave on the cheap, but there also needs to be some realism. He’s still got a huge amount to learn. He was culpable for Dundee’s equaliser today, although I’d blame Gogic more.

What is unrealistic is you comparing him to a more experienced player and saying he would be more criticised if he was more experienced.He’s not so I think it’s a daft comment.

[jeffers]

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What is unrealistic is you comparing him to a more experienced player and saying he would be more criticised if he was more experienced.He’s not so I think it’s a daft comment.

No what I said was if he was putting in the same level of performances in his twenties as he is now I doubt anyone would say he’s worth £5m. Hibs are asking for that figure now based on his potential not on what he’s currently delivering. There is no guarantee that he will progress to being a £5m player. I don’t see what’s daft about that at all.

[JohnM1875]

The boy had an off game, it happens. Actually, majority of our team did. To say he can't defend though is bad patter.

[O'Rourke3]

He looked well off it today as did others. Maybe there were a few not feeling so great today like McGinn, who knows?Jack Ross said post match that 2 or 3 players were under the weather and no one is going in tomorrow just incase others get affected by what evers going round the team at the moment.

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[gaz1875]

I'm not blaming him for any specific goals but he does seem to be on the wrong side of goal scorers at times. Today was a good example, not sure if any were his fault but he could see the ball coming over on both occasions but was on the wrong side of the scorer to stop the goals.

[BoomtownHibees]

I'm not blaming him for any specific goals but he does seem to be on the wrong side of goal scorers at times. Today was a good example, not sure if any were his fault but he could see the ball coming over on both occasions but was on the wrong side of the scorer to stop the goals.

I think he was at fault for at least the 2nd goal today

[gaz1875]

I think he was at fault for at least the 2nd goal today

I wouldn't disagree but its easier to blame Gogic. Gogic maybe should have dropped back but Doig had full vision of the play Gogic never.

[The Wireless]

I'm not blaming him for any specific goals but he does seem to be on the wrong side of goal scorers at times. Today was a good example, not sure if any were his fault but he could see the ball coming over on both occasions but was on the wrong side of the scorer to stop the goals.

And not for the 1st time.

[USAHibee]

Some of the comments on here are ridiculous, same posters slating the same players. Doig and Mcginn where sick as the teams were coming out and again at half time. He didn't have a great second half but let's not write him off just yet...

[A Hi-Bee]

Some of the comments on here are ridiculous, same posters slating the same players. Doig and Mcginn where sick as the teams were coming out and again at half time. He didn't have a great second half but let's not write him off just yet...

I am tempted to wonder if some are even Hibs supporters, young Doig will do very well both for Hibs and for himself, no question about that, the boy is quality.:aok:

[USAHibee]

I am tempted to wonder if some are even Hibs supporters, young Doig will do very well both for Hibs and for himself, no question about that, the boy is quality.:aok:

Just to back this up been told HTC has been closed due to a sickness bug or possible sickness virus.. Let's just get behind the team,the lad is living out his apprenticeship in the public eye, must be horrendous mentally for these lads..

[Magpie]

Didn’t he start off as a centre back in his career?

[Lancs Harp]

Can Doig defend? Well yes he can and he will get better but its not currently his strong point.

[Coach Jon]

Didn’t he start off as a centre back in his career?

I have watched him since he was about 9, never played in any defensive positions, always a midfielder, hearts had him since primary school, but to be honest he never looked that great so i can understand why they released him.
However he took a stretch to 6 foot plus and Hibs gave him a second chance, playing him at CB, he has developed well but never a defender at any level, good going forward though.

[andudare2]

Just to back this up been told HTC has been closed due to a sickness bug or possible sickness virus.. Let's just get behind the team,the lad is living out his apprenticeship in the public eye, must be horrendous mentally for these lads.. dont think thats right regarding htc being closed as im sure Hibs 2006,s played fife elete there today.

[hibbysam]

I wouldn't disagree but its easier to blame Gogic. Gogic maybe should have dropped back but Doig had full vision of the play Gogic never.

Doig had his own man, Gogic’s man just wandered off him. It’s schoolboy stuff from Gogic and blaming Doig is purely desperation.

[Billy Whizz]

dont think thats right regarding htc being closed as im sure Hibs 2006,s played fife elete there today.

Ross said on Sportsound today after the game, would have to shut the centre tomorrow, as there seems to be a bug doing the rounds

[Magpie]

I have watched him since he was about 9, never played in any defensive positions, always a midfielder, hearts had him since primary school, but to be honest he never looked that great so i can understand why they released him.
However he took a stretch to 6 foot plus and Hibs gave him a second chance, playing him at CB, he has developed well but never a defender at any level, good going forward though.

Thanks for that insight. I just remember someone saying he had played CB before. I agree he is brilliant going forward.

[easty]

Doig had his own man, Gogic’s man just wandered off him. It’s schoolboy stuff from Gogic and blaming Doig is purely desperation.

Yep. He can’t mark both of them. His mans coming in right behind him.

[ekhibee]

For what it's worth I think he's a promising young player going forward, and skillful too, but I've not been impressed with his defending really, he gets caught out of position at times (but not today really). He reminds me a bit of Whittaker when he was younger and at Hibs the first time, another player great going forward and a great passer too, but often leaving big gaps at the back. He did play on the other side of the pitch mind you.

[Hibiza]

Not properly , re Scottish Cup final . probably come in time though.

[Smartie]

My partner and daughter both had a weird sickness bug a week or so back. Arrived quickly, felt grim for 24 hours then it disappeared almost as soon as it had arrived.

Might just be that something like that has started to do the rounds then got in about our playing squad?

Weirdest thing was that I didn’t get it, given we all live in such close proximity and these things are meant to be incredibly contagious.

[500miles]

I think he was at fault for at least the 2nd goal today

Gogic handed a man over, with what looked like no communication, just as the ball was being crossed in, while Doig was aware of the player a the back post. It was 100 % Gogic who made the mistake.

[Tyler Durden]

How is he a great player going forward? I'm not getting it? How many goals and assists did he get last season? I might be wrong but I think he is so over rated it's unreal.

He put 2 great balls in today which created chances. He had an assist in his last league game. Loads of assists and chances created last year.

A massive upgrade on Lewis going forwards

[flash]

Ross said on Sportsound today after the game, would have to shut the centre tomorrow, as there seems to be a bug doing the rounds

Hopefully Nisbet has this bug rather than covid.

[andudare2]

Ross said on Sportsound today after the game, would have to shut the centre tomorrow, as there seems to be a bug doing the roundscorrect thing to do in circumstances, however it wasn't closed when i made my comment in reply.

[BoomtownHibees]

Gogic handed a man over, with what looked like no communication, just as the ball was being crossed in, while Doig was aware of the player a the back post. It was 100 % Gogic who made the mistake.

The other players at the game seemed to think it was Doig to blame. Don’t think either were great tbf

[Pretty Boy]

I've criticised Paul McGinn plenty this season, much of it merited imo. If him and Doig are throwing up in the park today then it's hardly the game to be judging them though.

A bad day at the office. Hopefully they are both fighting fit by next week.

[gaz1875]

Doig had his own man, Gogic’s man just wandered off him. It’s schoolboy stuff from Gogic and blaming Doig is purely desperation.

Hahaha desperation good one. I never blamed him I said he could see what was happening as it was all in front of him. Desperation :faf:

[hibbysam]

Hahaha desperation good one. I never blamed him I said he could see what was happening as it was all in front of him. Desperation :faf:

When the cross was made Doig could see Gogic had his man, there was no time for him to recover. Gogic made an arse of it it’s that simple.

‘Gogic maybe should have dropped back’ - maybe. There’s no maybe about it, him and McGowan are jogging together and he just stops, leaving 2 v 1 at the back door. It’s not about dropping back it’s about doing the basics and going with your runner when there isn’t a spare man to pass him onto.

[gaz1875]

When the cross was made Doig could see Gogic had his man, there was no time for him to recover. Gogic made an arse of it it’s that simple.

‘Gogic maybe should have dropped back’ - maybe. There’s no maybe about it, him and McGowan are jogging together and he just stops, leaving 2 v 1 at the back door. It’s not about dropping back it’s about doing the basics and going with your runner when there isn’t a spare man to pass him onto.

Good stuff :aok: The basics are cover for your own players don't stand next to the guy you are marking when someone else has a shot at goal. You leave your guy and try and stop the shot, it's a team game not an individual game.

[hibbysam]

Good stuff :aok: The basics are cover for your own players don't stand next to the guy you are marking when someone else has a shot at goal. You leave your guy and try and stop the shot, it's a team game not an individual game.

Which he did, but was always going to be struggling to get there as the ball was already in flight. Forgot we now expect our players to see the future and realise a defensive minded player is going to fall asleep, and the ball definitely won’t go to the back post to the man you are marking so you’re fine to leave him and cover a space that an opposition midfielder is running into. That would be mightily impressive.

[Unseen work]

Anyone disputing whether it was Doig or Gogic’ man needs to look at the full clip of the goal.

Gogic is standing outside the box with McGowan and follows him in.

Doig nothing to do with it.

Fwiw I think Doig is a lot better in a 352 and being able to press the winger high with the reassurance of having a back 3 behind him.

At left back he gets a bit stuck what to do I think and it doesn’t help that Murphy offers nothing defensively.

McMullan dropped deep to get on it and run at them, it’s hard for Doig to stand on him without being horribly out of position

[SMAXXA]

I wouldn't disagree but its easier to blame Gogic. Gogic maybe should have dropped back but Doig had full vision of the play Gogic never.

It’s easier to blame gogic cause it was his fault simple as that. Doig had his own man, if he steps over to the McGowan and the ball is a foot higher and misses him the mans standing on his own and the laddie would get pelters for leaving his man.

[Mikey_1875]

Fwiw I think Doig is a lot better in a 352 and being able to press the winger high with the reassurance of having a back 3 behind him.

At left back he gets a bit stuck what to do I think and it doesn’t help that Murphy offers nothing defensively.

McMullan dropped deep to get on it and run at them, it’s hard for Doig to stand on him without being horribly out of position

Think that is a good point, it seems some are relishing the new formation change and it goes a bit to explaining why a couple of others are struggling to hit the same heights as last season.

The positive thing for Doig is that he is still a young guy learning his trade so I have no doubt that as the season goes on he will progress, learn and adapt into a natural back four and become more versatile. With McGinn and Gogic it might be harder to teach them new tricks.

[Nevi_SOL]

Yes he can 👍🏼

[Brightside]

People are idiots

[Dalianwanda]

People are idiots
:greengrin

[JohnM1875]

Thought Doig played really well yesterday.

Also quite a bizarre technique but he can header some distance!!

Be chuffed if he's still here at the end of the window.