Gogic

[Liam6270]

He’s never been a particularly good footballer but today’s performance has been one of the worst I’ve seen in a Hibs jersey. What’s even more shocking is the fact he has played the full game, what does Ross see in him?

[sean04]

Had a absolute shocker today, embarrassing performance. Looks like he won a raffle to play

[Weegreenman]

Horses for coarses I suppose but against Dundee ffs? I can’t figure JR out.

[franck sauzee]

Must have made 5 or 6 really bad mistakes in the game. One of the worst performances in many a year

[madhatter]

He looks like he is trying to play offside in the midfield. Regularly storming out and letting someone run in behind him. I think he'd be fine if he just sat infront of the defence but he doesn't. He's all over the place.

[CMurdoch]

Just not a good enough player so can't retain the ball. Fatal flaw of losing player he is marking in the box.
His contract ends next summer and I predict it will not be renewed.

[madhatter]

Gogic's miss there sums him up.

[Liam6270]

Gogic's miss there sums him up.

Technically all wrong, horrendous footballer

[Heisenberg]

Not a clue what’s gone on with him. He was never this poor last season. Same with McGinn. Both looks miles out of their depth.

[madhatter]

When Gogic kicks the ball he genuinely looks like he is going to fall over.

[JohnM1875]

He should be nowhere near the starting XI. So weird after last year.

[MikeyS]

Can't think of anyone who is more technically or tactically inept than him in my 30 years of watching us.

Seriously, if there are any aspiring 17/18 Yr olds on here get yourself as fit as you possibly can cos there is a big chance of making it going by this performance

[Northernhibee]

If he played for East Fife he wouldn’t be a standout player. He just happened to fit a role we needed filled and we now need so much better.

[Boyle89]

Shouldn't have been playing in this game. Hes well off form. Offers us absolutely nothing and is actually like a man down. Where the hell was he for the equaliser?!

[CL0762]

Nowhere near good enough. Horrific on and off the ball. Doesn’t even do the job he’s meant to do defensively. Get rid.

[MWHIBBIES]

Shouldn't really come as a surprise to anyone. The need for this type of player just isn't there. Especially not against dross like Dundee.

Folk continue to think Hecky made a mistake getting rid of Marv and Milligan and Gogic was some answer to our problems in there. Just not the case at all.

He was decent last season, but it was obviously from day one he was terrible with the ball.

[SteveHFC]

Wouldn’t be bothered if he signed for another club.

[Weegreenman]

He’s nowhere near good enough to wear a Hibs jersey for me. Every time I see him play he’s been awful.

Disappointing because with a couple of tweaks in that team, we could be a real force.

Losing poor goals on a weekly basis now.

Boy band. Get it sorted JR

[Sir David Gray]

He's nowhere near good enough for us.

[MWHIBBIES]

He’s nowhere near good enough to wear a Hibs jersey for me. Every time I see him play he’s been awful.

Disappointing because with a couple of tweaks in that team, we could be a real force.

Losing poor goals on a weekly basis now.

Boy band. Get it sorted JR

If you are stupid enough to use that term, at least understand what Lennon meant by it. It is nothing whatsoever to do with the current Hibs team.

[HibeeDaz6270]

The fact our manager had him in his starting 11 today & then kept him on the park for 90 minutes despite clearly being very poor is the biggest concern .

[EVENTUALLY]

How Jack Ross couldn't see that replacing Gogic was the answer beggars belief. Crazy management of the game.
Any number of alternatives could have been applied to get Alex off the pitch. The manager was worse than the player today.

[The Modfather]

Think the fact we are a bit more open this season and on the front foot is exposing Gogic & McGinn. They both contributed well last season, you can’t take that away from them. However we were compact last season and hard to beat first and then looked to win the game. I think their limitations are being shown now we are looking to control games by being on the front foot.

[Liam6270]

The fact our manager had him in his starting 11 today & then kept him on the park for 90 minutes despite clearly being very poor is the biggest concern .

That is very worrying, Boyd picked up on his distribution in commentary very early on, how can Ross not see it? What does he honestly think Gogic offers this team?

[Hibee Mac]

I think the midfield trio of JDH, Newell and Magennis has really shown up how poor our midfield is when Gogic plays.

Don't think I really appreciated what we were really missing from a ball playing perspective until the first few games this season where we played some great stuff through the midfield.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Some of these comments. Get a ****ing grip!!

He was poor today

[Benny Brazil]

Some of these comments. Get a ****ing grip!!

He was poor today

He was at fault for the 2nd goal - the exact same as what he did at Motherwell - left his man to run free into the box and score with a header - don't think some of the comments are too bad - if anything they are very restrained

[Shrekko]

No doubt whatsoever he’s been horrendous this season. But he was very effective for us most weeks last season and we did finish 3rd quite comfortably. So all these keyboard Mourniho’s who’re ‘worried’ about Jack Ross because he played him - get a grip.

You don’t just give up on players when they have a few stinkers or take them off after a few minutes because Kris Boyd has said something.

[at last 61]

Him and mcginn were more than poor today but at least mcginn was subbed really need a few players in and out

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

He was at fault for the 2nd goal - the exact same as what he did at Motherwell - left his man to run free into the box and score with a header - don't think some of the comments are too bad - if anything they are very restrained

Wouldn't be a stand out for East Fife

Most tactically inept player in last 30 years

Nowhere near good enough to play for us


Would hate to see fans venting at him then

[Weegreenman]

If you are stupid enough to use that term, at least understand what Lennon meant by it. It is nothing whatsoever to do with the current Hibs team.

I’ll use whatever term I like. It has nothing to do with what NL has said previously. Our weak defence was well renowned long before NL arrived and unfortunately we still defend like a weak wee boy band.

[Liam6270]

No doubt whatsoever he’s been horrendous this season. But he was very effective for us most weeks last season and we did finish 3rd quite comfortably. So all these keyboard Mourniho’s who’re ‘worried’ about Jack Ross because he played him - get a grip.

You don’t just give up on players when they have a few stinkers or take them off after a few minutes because Kris Boyd has said something.

That was last season, this season he’s shown he’s absolutely horrendous but yet Ross has stuck with him so yeah that is a bit worrying. He can’t defend, has no pace, looks like he has his boots on the wrong feet and has no positional sense. Apart from that though yeah he’s ok I suppose

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

He had a poor game today. Bartley called out in the summary what he should have been doing at the Dundee equaliser.

[SaulGoodman]

Wouldn't be a stand out for East Fife

Most tactically inept player in last 30 years

Nowhere near good enough to play for us


Would hate to see fans venting at him then

He’s been awful so far this season but that’s just sheer hyperbole

[CMurdoch]

Think the fact we are a bit more open this season and on the front foot is exposing Gogic & McGinn. They both contributed well last season, you can’t take that away from them. However we were compact last season and hard to beat first and then looked to win the game. I think their limitations are being shown now we are looking to control games by being on the front foot.

I think that is a very good post especially as it relates to Gogic.
The change in Hibs playing style has brutally exposed his lack of ability both on the ball and off the ball.
We have moved on to the next stage in our playing style development and sadly Alex can't match it.
Not his fault.

[truehibernian]

I’ll use whatever term I like. It has nothing to do with what NL has said previously. Our weak defence was well renowned long before NL arrived and unfortunately we still defend like a weak wee boy band.

I wouldn't use that term to define the defence, more they switched off and lacked game concentration. Watch McGinn at their first goal. He thinks he deserves a foul, and instead of holding position near the thrower, he runs back towards the box (for some reason), arguing with the referee and not watching the game, leaving Dundee with three players to work it past Boyle for an easy uncontested cross into the 6 yard box. That's very poor concentration and not having your mind on the matter in hand, not 'boy band' softness.

[Weegreenman]

I wouldn't use that term to define the defence, more they switched off and lacked game concentration. Watch McGinn at their first goal. He thinks he deserves a foul, and instead of holding position near the thrower, he runs back towards the box (for some reason), arguing with the referee and not watching the game, leaving Dundee with three players to work it past Boyle for an easy uncontested cross into the 6 yard box. That's very poor concentration and not having your mind on the matter in hand, not 'boy band' softness.

It’s boy band softness. It’s mental weakness arguing with the ref instead of doing what he should be doing. There’s a time and a place to argue the odds, it doesn’t matter how you dress it up, it’s poor. Our defence is currently leaking like sive!

Boy band!!!!

[easty]

The “Boy band” patter is tragic and cringey and complete nonsense

[Shrekko]

That was last season, this season he’s shown he’s absolutely horrendous but yet Ross has stuck with him so yeah that is a bit worrying. He can’t defend, has no pace, looks like he has his boots on the wrong feet and has no positional sense. Apart from that though yeah he’s ok I suppose

But he’s not “stuck with him” - he’s not first choice.

At the same time - his decent season last season shouldn’t just be forgotten about. A lot of fans want players and managers just shipped out and discarded after a few bad results … it’s not realistic to do that.

It’s also so predictable that some people are comparing him to Scott Allan which is just so wrong on so many levels.

[RossScott1991]

He’s Hamilton Accie

[J-C]

He's a spoiler and was useful last season in certain games, now that we have JDH, Magennis and Newell as the 3 preferred midfielder, Gogic will rarely get used and when we needed a proper midfielder in there like today's game he's shown to be a very poor player. Passing is absolutely woeful, still runs around like a headless chicken and gets caught out position wise all too often, need far better.

[McD]

I’ll use whatever term I like. It has nothing to do with what NL has said previously. Our weak defence was well renowned long before NL arrived and unfortunately we still defend like a weak wee boy band.


knee jerk hyperbole - 3 of our back 4 got call ups to the international team, whilst the 4th is highly rated and expected to fetch a high fee when/if sold

the same back 4 that had the best defensive record outside the old firm last season.


we’ve not had an auspicious start to the season in defensive regards, but we’re not set up to be st Johnstone, with 7 men behind the ball. Gogic today was very poor, but slating the whole defence and saying we’ve been ‘boy band’ for several years is just ridiculous

[greenlex]

I’ll use whatever term I like. It has nothing to do with what NL has said previously. Our weak defence was well renowned long before NL arrived and unfortunately we still defend like a weak wee boy band.

Our defence is not poor. It’s a myth.

[MikeyS]

He’s been awful so far this season but that’s just sheer hyperbole

I made the last 30 years comment and I stand by it.weve had some amount of pish in that time but I can only think of perhaps Jarko Wiss, Ross Chisholm, Martin Scott & Paddy Cregg as being worse. Maybe!

Infact, Tudor Jones was worse so I take it back. He is the 2nd worst.

[McD]

Our defence is not poor. It’s a myth.


:agree: some folk only see what they want to see

[eastmainsmsh]

He has his moments looked good at Hamilton but not been good recently

[Northernhibee]

He’s been awful so far this season but that’s just sheer hyperbole

I wouldn’t retract my comment (thanks for removing a lot of the context from it btw). Last season we needed a battling midfielder who wouldn’t break the bank and he did that.

It’s not the case that has passing or technical ability isn’t good enough at this level, it’s just that it’s not good enough. If you put him in a team like East Fife or Falkirk then he’d do the same thing as he does here, just getting a bit more time on the ball but you wouldn’t pick him out as a player for a top flight team.

He’s done his job for us and now we have a more gifted player who can play in his position is surplus to requirements.

[BILLYHIBS]

​​
I made the last 30 years comment and I stand by it.weve had some amount of pish in that time but I can only think of perhaps Jarko Wiss, Ross Chisholm, Martin Scott & Paddy Cregg as being worse. Maybe!

Infact, Tudor Jones was worse so I take it back. He is the 2nd worst.
TBF Tudor Jones knew his legs were gone when he signed ?????

[easty]

If we’d signed Scott Brown in the summer, he’d have strolled it today in Gogic role. Absolutely would’ve walked through that game and we’d have taken 3 points.

[flash]

It’s boy band softness. It’s mental weakness arguing with the ref instead of doing what he should be doing. There’s a time and a place to argue the odds, it doesn’t matter how you dress it up, it’s poor. Our defence is currently leaking like sive!

Boy band!!!!
Worst patter ever.

[JimBHibees]

It’s boy band softness. It’s mental weakness arguing with the ref instead of doing what he should be doing. There’s a time and a place to argue the odds, it doesn’t matter how you dress it up, it’s poor. Our defence is currently leaking like sive!

Boy band!!!!

Dear oh dear horrific chat.

[MWHIBBIES]

I’ll use whatever term I like. It has nothing to do with what NL has said previously. Our weak defence was well renowned long before NL arrived and unfortunately we still defend like a weak wee boy band.

How do you explain our defence being excellent last season then?

You sure can use whatever term you like, this one just makes you look daft.

[Neily1982]

He had a shocker today, but it happens, he has also had some really good games for us as well

[SaulGoodman]

I wouldn’t retract my comment (thanks for removing a lot of the context from it btw). Last season we needed a battling midfielder who wouldn’t break the bank and he did that.

It’s not the case that has passing or technical ability isn’t good enough at this level, it’s just that it’s not good enough. If you put him in a team like East Fife or Falkirk then he’d do the same thing as he does here, just getting a bit more time on the ball but you wouldn’t pick him out as a player for a top flight team.

He’s done his job for us and now we have a more gifted player who can play in his position is surplus to requirements.

I didn’t realise the poster I quoted was also referring to other posts.

The bit I called hyperbole was in reference to the “most tactically inept in 30 years” part, not the part that was quoting you.

(I also didn’t remove any of the context)

[JohnM1875]

How do you explain our defence being excellent last season then?

You sure can use whatever term you like, this one just makes you look daft.

We're three games into the league and conceded four goals. Every one has been from a cross. I'm struggling to see how that isn't an issue?

[Iggy Pope]

It’s boy band softness. It’s mental weakness arguing with the ref instead of doing what he should be doing. There’s a time and a place to argue the odds, it doesn’t matter how you dress it up, it’s poor. Our defence is currently leaking like sive!

Boy band!!!!

You spell like a wee boy so I’ll maybe give you the benefit of the doubt, just this once.

[Northernhibee]

I didn’t realise the poster I quoted was also referring to other posts.

The bit I called hyperbole was in reference to the “most tactically inept in 30 years” part, not the part that was quoting you.

(I also didn’t remove any of the context)

Fair play 👍

[SaulGoodman]

Fair play 👍

I didn’t mind the East fife part, I don’t rate him much myself tbh, but we’ve had many worse players over the years. Defo not the worst in 30 years.

[ancient hibee]

If he’d scored at the end he’d have been a hero:greengrin

[Not In The Know]

Not a clue what’s gone on with him. He was never this poor last season. Same with McGinn. Both looks miles out of their depth.


we now have better players around them so they are getting shown up.

[Smartie]

He was one of our most effective players during a successful (!?!?) season last season and we shouldn't forget that in a hurry.

This season - he has started it appallingly. That doesn't mean he's turned into a poor player overnight.

It's easy with hindsight to say that Jack Ross should have done x,y or z but that team, Gogic included, practically picked itself today.

He was hopeless and nobody can defend that and I think he's turning into a seldom used squad player who is brought out for certain occasions rather than a regular starter, a bit like Marvin Bartley. You'd want him on your side going into a derby, probably against Aberdeen, maybe against the Old Firm, or anyone in Europe that you want to stop dominating in the middle and expect to be under the cosh against.

Anyone we want to play a bit of football against - he's as good as a man down.

[Hibee Mac]

He was one of our most effective players during a successful (!?!?) season last season and we shouldn't forget that in a hurry.

This season - he has started it appallingly. That doesn't mean he's turned into a poor player overnight.

It's easy with hindsight to say that Jack Ross should have done x,y or z but that team, Gogic included, practically picked itself today.

He was hopeless and nobody can defend that and I think he's turning into a seldom used squad player who is brought out for certain occasions rather than a regular starter, a bit like Marvin Bartley. You'd want him on your side going into a derby, probably against Aberdeen, maybe against the Old Firm, or anyone in Europe that you want to stop dominating in the middle and expect to be under the cosh against.

Anyone we want to play a bit of football against - he's as good as a man down.I'd usually agree with you on that but my opinion has changed, I wouldn't want us to play Gogic against any of those teams. I reckon we'd have a much better chance at getting a result with the preferred 3 of JDH, Newell and Magennis Vs all of those teams.

[BoomtownHibees]

Our defence is not poor. It’s a myth.

We’ve lost 10 goals in our 7 competitive games so far, most coming from crosses in to the box. Not sure how much more it would take to class the defence as poor

[Hermit Crab]

He cost us another goal and 2 points today, completely lost his man in the box for the 2nd goal. This is a supposed International footballer. He also gets a wage from Hibs. Unbelievable!!

He's not good enough.

[Hermit Crab]

We’ve lost 10 goals in our 7 competitive games so far, most coming from crosses in to the box. Not sure how much more it would take to class the defence as poor


This mate, another 2 goals lost from crosses today. Teams have worked us out, cross the ball and we will give them a chance, I mean how much room did Cummings have to bury his chance? Nobody near him!!

[easty]

He cost us another goal and 2 points today, completely lost his man in the box for the 2nd goal. This is a supposed International footballer. He also gets a wage from Hibs. Unbelievable!!

He's not good enough.

International for Cyprus though. I think they only have about 25 players to choose from

[Peevemor]

This mate, another 2 goals lost from crosses today. Teams have worked us out, cross the ball and we will give them a chance, I mean how much room did Cummings have to bury his chance? Nobody near him!!We're currently not doing well defending crosses that's for sure, but crossing the ball is a very common attacking tactic in football. Teams don't just do it because they've "worked us out".

[JohnM1875]

We're currently not doing well defending crosses that's for sure, but crossing the ball is a very common attacking tactic in football. Teams don't just do it because they've "worked us out".

Welcome back!

Very true. The worrying thing is we seem to have forgotten how to defend them.

[Peevemor]

Welcome back!

Very true. The worrying thing is we seem to have forgotten how to defend them.Difficult to work out why when Paul Hanlon's not there to blame.

[BoomtownHibees]

We're currently not doing well defending crosses that's for sure, but crossing the ball is a very common attacking tactic in football. Teams don't just do it because they've "worked us out".

Crosses are common in the game however if I was setting up to play against Hibs then sure as hell I’d be telling my team to get the ball out wide and put crosses in to the box at every opportunity

[Peevemor]

Crosses are common in the game however if I was setting up to play against Hibs then sure as hell I’d be telling my team to get the ball out wide and put crosses in to the box at every opportunityWhich Dundee (thankfully) didn't do very often today.

[Hermit Crab]

Which Dundee (thankfully) didn't do very often today.


The 2 Dundee goals came from crosses. We have to defend them better.

[BoomtownHibees]

Which Dundee (thankfully) didn't do very often today.

They looked to put crosses in all day today!! And scored their 2 goals from crosses

[Peevemor]

The 2 Dundee goals came from crosses. We have to defend them better.That's why I said that they thankfully didn't pile in that many more.

[Peevemor]

They looked to put crosses in all day today!! And scored their 2 goals from crossesI could be wrong, but I don't think they crossed the ball more than normal.

[gaz1875]

Last season he was one of our best players especially closing teams down, not sure what has happened but he struggles to play a simple pass just now.

[brog]

I haven't seen game yet but I'm surprised at Gogic replacing Newell. It completely changes the balance of our midfield. If Scott Allan can't get a game in these circumstances then I'm not sure we're going to see much of Scott this season.

[JohnM1875]

Difficult to work out why when Paul Hanlon's not there to blame.

It's almost as if Hanlon is our best defender...

[McD]

It's almost as if Hanlon is our best defender...


also I think that neither porteous or mcgregor are as comfortable when asked to play on the left of the pair

[brog]

also I think that neither porteous or mcgregor are as comfortable when asked to play on the left of the pair

I agree but Darren isn't usually asked to play on the left. Porteous always has to do it in the same way that when Liam Fontaine played central then Paul H always had to play on the right. Basically RP and PH are better footballers and more adaptable. I assume Lewis also played on right when he came on?

[A Hi-Bee]

I agree but Darren isn't usually asked to play on the left. Porteous always has to do it in the same way that when Liam Fontaine played central then Paul H always had to play on the right. Basically RP and PH are better footballers and more adaptable. I assume Lewis also played on right when he came on?

Yes Lewis played on the right when he replaced the ill McGinn, he done alright also have to say that old Liam done all right for the Dens crowd as did Jason.

[A Hi-Bee]

Gogic was poor today for sure as was most of the Hibs team, could this have been down to the illness going around the team, dont know but back to Gogic, he is a strange one as he was playing very well last season in most games, this season he has been ,mince, so what has happened, you dont suddenly become a sheite player or was he really always a sheite player who played above his ability for half a season.:cb

[Lancs Harp]

Gogic gets stuck in and has heart but he is very limited. Certainly limited with the ball at his feet. Not good enough IMO for where we want to be. Having said that only played today because of other players being out. Squad player at best.

[BonnieFitbaTeam]

Last season he was one of our best players especially closing teams down, not sure what has happened but he struggles to play a simple pass just now.

He really wasn’t.

[Smartie]

He really wasn’t.

Gogic was hugely effective for us last season. It wasn’t Pirlo-esque silkiness, but he played a big part.

This season he’s been utter mince, so far.

He’s all over the shop.

[BonnieFitbaTeam]

Gogic was hugely effective for us last season. It wasn’t Pirlo-esque silkiness, but he played a big part.

This season he’s been utter mince, so far.

He’s all over the shop.

There were games last season where he did a decent job but there were plenty where he looked like he’d never played football before, in my opinion.

Unfortunately the latter description applies to every performance so far this season, again in my opinion.

[H18 SFR]

The thing for me with Gogic last year was that even though he is isn’t the most comfortable footballer with the ball, he really harassed and stopped better opponent players.

This season he is a bit more iffy with the ball, but perhaps more concerning, he doesn’t seem to be breaking up many attacks, winning second ball duals or defending inside the box well from crosses.

Even today, the game was crying out for a Hibs player to cement Charlie Adam when Dundee were on top early and looked like getting a second goal. It’s not as if Adam isn’t a big target to hit. Sometimes it just takes something like that to get a team out and back in the immediate game.

[HibbyAndy]

How many times did he give the ball away ? A disgusting amount ,,,Had an absolute shocker today

[Lancs Harp]

The thing for me with Gogic last year was that even though he is isn’t the most comfortable footballer with the ball, he really harassed and stopped better opponent players.

This season he is a bit more iffy with the ball, but perhaps more concerning, he doesn’t seem to be breaking up many attacks, winning second ball duals or defending inside the box well from crosses.

Even today, the game was crying out for a Hibs player to cement Charlie Adam when Dundee were on top early and looked like getting a second goal. It’s not as if Adam isn’t a big target to hit. Sometimes it just takes something like that to get a team out and back in the immediate game.

Dundee are limited they havent got much to hurt you with, Adam can still do that if you give him enough space. I couldnt believe in the first half how much room we gave him, he ran the show in the first half as we stood off. He plays at a snails pace these days you need to be in his face we werent even close. MY Tv is wearing head muffs, screamed at it all first half.

[Greenbeard]

Lots of short memories. For a good while last season he was the first name on the team sheet, and when he was out, we really missed his spoiler presence.
Can't disagree re the general view on him this season though, and today. Seems bereft of confidence. (Open door for a list of other things he is bereft of.)

[H18 SFR]

Lots of short memories. For a good while last season he was the first name on the team sheet, and when he was out, we really missed his spoiler presence.
Can't disagree re the general view on him this season though, and today. Seems bereft of confidence. (Open door for a list of other things he is bereft of.)

I agree with your comments re an obvious lack of confidence.

Plenty players suffer from this during times In their career, we’d probably all recall instances when this has happened to hibs players, maybe time to protect him by taking him out the match-day squad for a couple of weeks. Perhaps even next weekend with the international break following that. Re-group and hopefully he can come back stronger.

[Since90+2]

Every team should aim to progress year on year and I suspect for us that means Gogic is no longer a first team player. He has his good points but he's very crude technically and for a team like ours who like to play on the front foot and dominate possession I'm not sure he's good enough.

[greenlex]

We’ve lost 10 goals in our 7 competitive games so far, most coming from crosses in to the box. Not sure how much more it would take to class the defence as poor

Three in Europe with 10 men. Two today with a makeshift spine to the team. I wouldn’t be using that ten goal stat as a barometer of where our defence is to be honest.

[blackpoolhibs]

No doubt whatsoever he’s been horrendous this season. But he was very effective for us most weeks last season and we did finish 3rd quite comfortably. So all these keyboard Mourniho’s who’re ‘worried’ about Jack Ross because he played him - get a grip.

You don’t just give up on players when they have a few stinkers or take them off after a few minutes because Kris Boyd has said something.
:agree::top marks

[WestHibby]

After a disappointing result like that there's always going to be recriminations afterwards. However, Gogic has now been directly responsible for 3 out of the 4 league goals we've conceded so far this season.

Some folk can try and spin that as much as they want, but that is ****ing appalling.

He is honestly one of these players that make me marvel at how they have managed to coin a footballing career for themselves, despite having absolutely no footballing ability whatsoever, I don't get it. Who decides to sign these hatchet men?

I fully believe I could go down a park and pick a random sunday league player to go into the team and they'd be less of a gaping liability than him.

[greenlex]

After a disappointing result like that there's always going to be recriminations afterwards. However, Gogic has now been directly responsible for 3 out of the 4 league goals we've conceded so far this season.

Some folk can try and spin that as much as they want, but that is ****ing appalling.

He is honestly one of these players that make me marvel at how they have managed to coin a footballing career for themselves, despite having absolutely no footballing ability whatsoever, I don't get it. Who decides to sign these hatchet men?

I fully believe I could go down a park and pick a random sunday league player to go into the team and they'd be less of a gaping liability than him.
You couldn’t. I’ll guarantee it.

[BoomtownHibees]

Three in Europe with 10 men. Two today with a makeshift spine to the team. I wouldn’t be using that ten goal stat as a barometer of where our defence is to be honest.

Not sure how else you would judge a defence if it’s not based on goals conceded

[Peevemor]

You couldn’t. I’ll guarantee it.The same poster also said on the match thread that he was "the worst player I have ever seen".

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?p=6665298

No point even trying to reason with that IMO.

[Tyler Durden]

Inexplicable that he came out for the 2nd half.

I think Jack Ross usually gets his subs right but today was well off. Good easily have put Josh Campbell on or even Drey Wright in place of Gogic.

[H18 SFR]

Inexplicable that he came out for the 2nd half.

I think Jack Ross usually gets his subs right but today was well off. Good easily have put Josh Campbell on or even Drey Wright in place of Gogic.

Drey Wright looked good in possession today I felt. Not starting a three for that but worth comment.

[Lancs Harp]

Drey Wright looked good in possession today I felt. Not starting a three for that but worth comment.

Often knocked (and probably correctly) but I agree I thought he did quite well when he came on. One swallow doesnt make a summer obviously but thought he did a job when he came on today.

[Peevemor]

Often knocked (and probably correctly) but I agree I thought he did quite well when he came on. One swallow doesnt make a summer obviously but thought he did a job when he came on today.Wright's done well when he's come on this season. He seems to be recovering the touch & confidence that I assume we signed him for.

He could maybe shine for us yet.

[Smartie]

Wright's done well when he's come on this season. He seems to be recovering the touch & confidence that I assume we signed him for.

He could maybe shine for us yet.

I don’t mind Drey Wright, the noise on here doesn’t reflect his performances on the park.

His problem, I reckon, I’d that we were expecting a flying winger who would take players on and he’s never that in a month of Sundays.

Instead, he’s a disciplined, neat and tidy player. Not the type to get you on the edge of your seat but the type who could be an invaluable part of a squad to be called upon at certain points or for certain games.

He needed to grow into the game against Santa Coloma but his last 4 or 5 appearances have been anywhere between acceptable and good.

[Since452]

I remember the absolute meltdown on here when he was ruled out the Aberdeen game last season when he had to isolate and we got beat. He was a big factor in our early season form. Also a player fans were praying we'd sign last summer. His confidence has probably been knocked that he's not first choice anymore with the form of Newell and Magennis and it looks to me he's overthinking things on the park a bit. He's got a big part to play this season so hopefully his form returns.

[B.H.F.C]

I remember the absolute meltdown on here when he was ruled out the Aberdeen game last season when he had to isolate and we got beat. He was a big factor in our early season form. Also a player fans were praying we'd sign last summer. His confidence has probably been knocked that he's not first choice anymore with the form of Newell and Magennis and it looks to me he's overthinking things on the park a bit. He's got a big part to play this season so hopefully his form returns.

Don’t think he’s overthinking anything. He’s just not doing things that you’d expect Gogic to do better. He had a 15 minute spell after we went 2-1 up where he started doing the things that he’s good at. Picking up second balls and generally got stuck in. That aside, I thought he was a absolutely dreadful for the other 75 minutes.

[#2 Double Tap]

I remember the absolute meltdown on here when he was ruled out the Aberdeen game last season when he had to isolate and we got beat. He was a big factor in our early season form. Also a player fans were praying we'd sign last summer. His confidence has probably been knocked that he's not first choice anymore with the form of Newell and Magennis and it looks to me he's overthinking things on the park a bit. He's got a big part to play this season so hopefully his form returns.

For me gogic plays best when he sits in front of a back three, with two cm ahead of him and has to solely focus on being the defensive midfielder, breaking up play and laying the ball of to someone close. Playing him in a 2, a little higher up the park exposes too many of his weaknesses.

I woulda liked to have seen magennis and doyle hayes in the centre today, with allan ahead of them or possibly murphy in the ten role, with gullen or mackay on the wide left.....

[Jones28]

Wouldn't be a stand out for East Fife

Most tactically inept player in last 30 years

Nowhere near good enough to play for us


Would hate to see fans venting at him then

What a crock of **** 😂

[loanheadhibby]

I remember the absolute meltdown on here when he was ruled out the Aberdeen game last season when he had to isolate and we got beat. He was a big factor in our early season form. Also a player fans were praying we'd sign last summer. His confidence has probably been knocked that he's not first choice anymore with the form of Newell and Magennis and it looks to me he's overthinking things on the park a bit. He's got a big part to play this season so hopefully his form returns.
Did you see the game today?
A big part to play, my god you must be joking.

[JimBHibees]

Did you see the game today?
A big part to play, my god you must be joking.

Why not he had a lot of decent games last season.

[Greenbeard]

For me gogic plays best when he sits in front of a back three, with two cm ahead of him and has to solely focus on being the defensive midfielder, breaking up play and laying the ball of to someone close. Playing him in a 2, a little higher up the park exposes too many of his weaknesses.

I woulda liked to have seen magennis and doyle hayes in the centre today, with allan ahead of them or possibly murphy in the ten role, with gullen or mackay on the wide left.....
That's about the length of pass he can be trusted with at the mo. :wink:
Joking aside I hope we get Gogic 20-21 back soon. There will be some games when we need him to be the rottweiler he was then.

[Andy74]

Worth noting we are playing a different shape in midfield and Gogic is not really the sitting midfielder when he plays as we don’t have one. I’m not sure that defending wise his starting position is quite as deep as he’d be used to.

[gaz1875]

He really wasn’t.

He really was.

[lord bunberry]

I just don’t know what’s happened to him, I thought he was tremendous last season at times. He’s never been the most silky player on the pitch but he was effective. This season he’s been all over the place, he needs to be taken out of the firing line for a while because performances like yesterday will destroy his confidence. I still think he’ll have a role to play this season.

[calumhibee1]

He’s a player we should be moving away from imo.

Done a job last season but with us having improved in midfield I don’t think he’s nearly as necessary as he was last year.

[hibee-boys]

Playing Gogic as a sitting midfielder in a derby game or against the old firm I get, he’s had some great games when his main task has been breaking up play and supporting the centre of defence. He wouldn’t have played yesterday if Newell had been fit but surely there was an opportunity for give Scott Allan 60mins or so, if Jack Ross doesn’t think playing Scott against Dundee is suitable then we can pretty much assume he’s well done the pecking order, never even brought him on when Gogic was having a mare passing to Dundee players half the time.

[blackpoolhibs]

He's a squad player now that we've improved the midfield, couple that with us playing a more expansive game and the injuries we are carrying, he's having to play a different game than he's really that good at.

I think we wont see as much of him as we did last season, but there will be games where he's needed.

Newell, Hanlon, Doidge, Hallberg, Bradley, Cadden, Mackie, and Nisbet were all unavailable at the weekend, yet we are top of the league and picking points up regularly along with progressing in the League cup.

Our squad is as strong as it has been in a very long time, and it will be strengthened. Of course we could lose one of them, but we are actively looking to bring players in, not just numbers but players the manager thinks will push us on again.

We have no divine right to win every game, and the constant anger whenever we lose a goal is quite laughable, it's as if we shouldn't lose goals and win every match we play, when did this happen?

We are in good hands, we are doing reasonably well, stop being miserable and enjoy these good times.

[Stuart93]

He's a squad player now that we've improved the midfield, couple that with us playing a more expansive game and the injuries we are carrying, he's having to play a different game than he's really that good at.

I think we wont see as much of him as we did last season, but there will be games where he's needed.

Newell, Hanlon, Doidge, Hallberg, Bradley, Cadden, Mackie, and Nisbet were all unavailable at the weekend, yet we are top of the league and picking points up regularly along with progressing in the League cup.

Our squad is as strong as it has been in a very long time, and it will be strengthened. Of course we could lose one of them, but we are actively looking to bring players in, not just numbers but players the manager thinks will push us on again.

We have no divine right to win every game, and the constant anger whenever we lose a goal is quite laughable, it's as if we shouldn't lose goals and win every match we play, when did this happen?

We are in good hands, we are doing reasonably well, stop being miserable and enjoy these good times.

I think the anger is we seem to be losing the same goals. Cross from the right hand side and headed in by an opposition player without a challenge, on two occasions by one of the smallest players on the park.

3 of them this season all purely down to gogic losing his man. It’s as if he switches off when the ball comes in.

His marking was shocking yesterday for Dundee’s 2nd. And I don’t even want to go into his passing.

No-ones asking us to win every game but surely people are allowed to be pissed off when we continue to lose the same goals all the time?

[blackpoolhibs]

I think the anger is we seem to be losing the same goals. Cross from the right hand side and headed in by an opposition player without a challenge, on two occasions by one of the smallest players on the park.

3 of them this season all purely down to gogic losing his man. It’s as if he switches off when the ball comes in.

His marking was shocking yesterday for Dundee’s 2nd. And I don’t even want to go into his passing.

No-ones asking us to win every game but surely people are allowed to be pissed off when we continue to lose the same goals all the time?

Go and read all your posts on match day threads, you are probably the worst critic during games. Everything is a calamity, everything is crap and hopeless until we take the lead, it is hilarious the amount of abuse you hand out to the team you say you support.

We all know the failings that some of our players have, and the manager is doing a great job so far addressing those.

Last season we were boring, i remember folk telling us they'd accept better football even if we lost, we are giving us better football now, but **** me we drew and it's the end of the world for some.

[at last 61]

I think people on here are being very soft on gogic, headless chicken comes to mind, watched the game again and paid more attention to gogic he just doesn't read the game totally went right over his head thought he was as poor as any player I've seen for many years, how he got the whole game is mind blowing, hopefully 3 or 4 players coming and going in the next 8 days

[blackpoolhibs]

I think people on here are being very soft on gogic, headless chicken comes to mind, watched the game again and paid more attention to gogic he just doesn't read the game totally went right over his head thought he was as poor as any player I've seen for many years, how he got the whole game is mind blowing, hopefully 3 or 4 players coming and going in the next 8 days

We will bring players in, and remember how many players we had unavailable too, we are a strong squad now.

[Hibernian Verse]

I think Gogic is suffering from our change in formation and approach. Last season, we were often quite conservative and the midfield was a bit tighter with less space for the opposition to work with.

Now we are a much more attacking team going on the front foot rather than soaking up pressure and breaking (this is still a strong point at times during games however)

As such, Gogic is often left exposed with gaps all around him which is making him look a bit like a headless chicken as he can't cover the ground quick enough and players just waltz past him.

Unfortunately, he isn't the answer if we are going to play an attacking game as he can't hold and distribute the ball half as well as Newell (or even Hallberg) can.

[Stuart93]

Go and read all your posts on match day threads, you are probably the worst critic during games. Everything is a calamity, everything is crap and hopeless until we take the lead, it is hilarious the amount of abuse you hand out to the team you say you support.

We all know the failings that some of our players have, and the manager is doing a great job so far addressing those.

Last season we were boring, i remember folk telling us they'd accept better football even if we lost, we are giving us better football now, but **** me we drew and it's the end of the world for some.

We were ***** in the first half yesterday. We looked hopeless at times especially at Dundee’s first. I reckon calling it abuse is OTT. Saying we look ***** isn’t really abuse is it?

He’s not doing a great addressing it cause we’ve lost the same goal from the same scenario on numerous occasions this season. It’s not been addressed yet.

Haven’t personally seen anyone acting as if it’s the end of the world but I’ve not looked through every post

[Liam6270]

Much better from Gogic when he came on today, looked like the international has done his confidence the world of good, 2 good attempts at goal and seemed to want the ball to feet more than ive seen recently.

[Since452]

Did well today. Will be a boost to his confidence

[Hibee Mac]

Much better from Gogic when he came on today, looked like the international has done his confidence the world of good, 2 good attempts at goal and seemed to want the ball to feet more than ive seen recently.I think he did okay but it feels like we lose all ability to play through the midfield and retain possession of the ball when he plays.

He was better than Scott today but I prefer our midfield trio of JDH, Newell and Magennis.

[Jones28]

A great contribution at both ends today, great sub from the gaffer and Gogs did really well considering the (deserved) criticisms.

[J-C]

I noticed he shaved his head again, maybe having hair is his Achilles heel. :greengrin

[Stuart93]

Done well when he came on. Wasn’t too sure about the sub at the time but gave us what we were missing in the midfield in the first half

[Green Reaper]

I noticed he shaved his head again, maybe having hair is his Achilles heel. :greengrin

Kinda like an opposite to Samson😬