Perspective

[Unseen work]

Started the season the really well and we’re playing far far better football.

First leg against Rijeka and we dominated them and were the better team by far however failed to make our chances count.

Second leg and we’re without Hanlon, Doidge and Allan, all of whom would’ve played their part and are big players for us. First half we took a while to get going however second half we upped It massively and got a good goal through Magennis, I really thought we were going to kick on and win. I would also add that for me Nisbet looked like he was still carrying his knock.

A moment of madness from McGregor turned the game on it’s head and even more so when we conceded a pathetic goal seconds later. The game was done there.

Rijeka are a good side, I’ve seen people saying otherwise and to me it’s nonsense. They’re well used to playing in Europe and their front 3/4 players would be a handful for any team.

Football is all if buts and maybes but you can’t completely rip up a team just because of one result.

Ross and Gordon have us going in the right direction and we’re getting there.

A couple more signings will see us kick on again.

I know it’s frustrating and people hate the ‘fine margains’ saying but it’s true. I’m gutted for the players as they never deserved that.

Ross will address us being poor from crosses, I’ve no doubt. Every time I’ve noticed something poor about us he seems to tweak the team to make us better there.

For me a centre half and striker are absolute certs to come in at the moment. I’d also like a complete flair player with pace, technique and creativity that we can Chuck on and create something out of nothing.

We keep going.

[Stuart93]

Started the season the really well and we’re playing far far better football.

First leg against Rijeka and we dominated them and were the better team by far however failed to make our chances count.

Second leg and we’re without Hanlon, Doidge and Allan, all of whom would’ve played their part and are big players for us. First half we took a while to get going however second half we upped It massively and got a good goal through Magennis, I really thought we were going to kick on and win. I would also add that for me Nisbet looked like he was still carrying his knock.

A moment of madness from McGregor turned the game on it’s head and even more so when we conceded a pathetic goal seconds later. The game was done there.

Rijeka are a good side, I’ve seen people saying otherwise and to me it’s nonsense. They’re well used to playing in Europe and their front 3/4 players would be a handful for any team.

Football is all if buts and maybes but you can’t completely rip up a team just because of one result.

Ross and Gordon have us going in the right direction and we’re getting there.

A couple more signings will see us kick on again.

I know it’s frustrating and people hate the ‘fine margains’ saying but it’s true. I’m gutted for the players as they never deserved that.

Ross will address us being poor from crosses, I’ve no doubt. Every time I’ve noticed something poor about us he seems to tweak the team to make us better there.

For me a centre half and striker are absolute certs to come in at the moment. I’d also like a complete flair player with pace, technique and creativity that we can Chuck on and create something out of nothing.

We keep going.

Starting to get sick of these “fine margins” never going our way.

[Block]

Excellent post. The sending off turned the game on its head. We've still got a good team and will hopefully crack on now in the league and cups. Magennis, Murphy and JDH are all huge positives. We know we need a Center Half and will procure one soon methinks. Plenty to still look forward to.

[Unseen work]

Starting to get sick of these “fine margins” never going our way.

But they do, fans just don’t realise when something goes for them.

It’s the same when we score a goal. No one ever looks at it from the opposition point of view.

Ross county at the weekend for example. We scored 2 great headed goals, no one mentioned how bad it was for County to concede those and the defenders are shocking.

Roles reversed and out centre half’s are getting dogs abuse.

That’s why I find it funny when people like other centre half’s who are shocking to us at times.

[Brightside]

I don’t think we will sign another striker. Unless Doidge is injured for weeks.

[Unseen work]

I don’t think we will sign another striker.

No?

I think we’ll bring Muller in and Gullan will leave.

So same amount but one that we’ll actually use.

I also have a feeling we’ll get James Scott.

[Borderhibbie76]

Sorry but not for me...another euro exit because we haven't done our recruitment properly or prepared our squad for Europe...we can't keep trotting out these fine margins excuses every season...we needed a striker and a centre half and have failed to recruit them as yet and it's cost us massively tonight...and with the injuries mounting we may well have a tough couple of weeks ahead of us too.

[neil7908]

Starting to get sick of these “fine margins” never going our way.

Indeed. This was the culmination of last seasons hard work - this was the reward for finishing 3rd. And it's over already. Unless we get to another cup final this season its our biggest game of all the 2021/22 season.

Now we're sitting here tonight having been done over and with the clubs that finished 4th and 5th still in Europe, and a tie away from group stage football.

I said after praising the manager and the team following the Ross County game that we'd have bigger tests to come. This was one and we failed.

[Juniper Greens]

Very similar side to us in my opinion. Good up top, looked a wee bit sketchy at the back. Pacey, tricky winger.
Didn't take our chances last week, they took theirs this week

[bingo70]

Starting to get sick of these “fine margins” never going our way.

I agree.

FWIW my perspective is absolutely fine. I’ve been really impressed with us this season. I think we look like we are a really decent side now and have been great for the most part this season

I still think losing the way we did over these 2 legs is very frustrating and down to us being far too placid for large parts of the 2 games. This team was very beatable but we’re coming away from another big game not being good enough again.

We are making really good progress and we will do well this season I think. We won’t win any silverware or win many derbies though.

[Unseen work]

Basically for me, we can blame recruitment etc all we want about how we done have another striker and centre half.

For 67 minutes tonight and all other games this season it wasn’t an issue.

McGregor got sent off and it killed the game for us.

McGregor stays on and it’s a completely different game. Granted we might not have won, but it would have been different.

Sometimes when you lose I think people look too much into it. In reality one stupid decision by our most experienced player has killed us.

[madhatter]

Starting to get sick of these “fine margins” never going our way.

Likewise, can we phone Aberdeen and ask how they get the margins to go their way?

Seriously, we are moving in the right direction but momentum requires fans to buy in to this vision.

It will be very difficult to keep fans on-side if we have a poor season after Covid lockdowns and £1m, or whatever, getting spent on TVs and infrastructure. Whether it be Ron Gordon's money or not. Fans can appreciate the club need to get better sponsorship deals etc. but failing to do anything in Europe is not going to help on that front.

Hibs need to get it right on and off the field. It is obviously very difficult to achieve that quickly but Hibs fans are quite impatient. They have some right to be, we should've won more than we have in our history.

We have phrases mocking our inability to win things and our routine capitulation. I'd like that to end and for us to be able to ram it down people's throats. Still waiting though, maybe see it in my lifetime.

[Stuart93]

Basically for me, we can blame recruitment etc all we want about how we done have another striker and centre half.

For 67 minutes tonight and all other games this season it wasn’t an issue.

McGregor got sent off and it killed the game for us.

McGregor stays on and it’s a completely different game. Granted we might not have won, but it would have been different.

Sometimes when you lose I think people look too much into it. In reality one stupid decision by our most experienced player has killed us.

True but we shouldn’t be in a position where we’ve only got a 36 year old CB to call upon.

[neil7908]

Basically for me, we can blame recruitment etc all we want about how we done have another striker and centre half.

For 67 minutes tonight and all other games this season it wasn’t an issue.

McGregor got sent off and it killed the game for us.

McGregor stays on and it’s a completely different game. Granted we might not have won, but it would have been different.

Sometimes when you lose I think people look too much into it. In reality one stupid decision by our most experienced player has killed us.

My major issue here is this is the same stuff we heard after the Scottish Cup Final. "Fine margins" etc. It wasn't fine margins then and it's not tonight either.

We wilted in both games and shot ourselves in the foot. We need to figure a way to turn these margins in our favour or we won't get anywhere.

[ekhibee]

I agree with the vast majority of the OP, he makes a lot of really important and valid points. I'm not totally convinced Allan is the player that he used to be, but we definitely missed the other two, particularly IMO Doidge, who seems to work a lot harder than Nisbet up front, even if Nisbet has more ability. Before the game I actually thought we would get beat, but for me there were 1 or 2 too many players not playing well today and we needed to be on the top of our game to get a result against opposition like that away from home. Still, it's a learning curve for a few of them, so hopefully they'll take it on board and progress from last season.

[Pretty Boy]

I'm not sure I need much perspective.

I'v waxed lyrical about us in our 2 league games so far. I was also relatively positive abput the performance if not the result last week.

Over 3 legs though the outcome is about what we deserve. We didn't take our chances, we got a man sent off, we made individual errors, we chose to rely on the options we have at the back and up front, we collapsed with 30 minutes of the tie to play.

The conclusion for me is that we are still a good bit away from where we as fans want us to be and also where some fans think we are.

[jeffers]

My major issue here is this is the same stuff we heard after the Scottish Cup Final. "Fine margins" etc. It wasn't fine margins then and it's not tonight either.

We wilted in both games and shot ourselves in the foot. We need to figure a way to turn these margins in our favour or we won't get anywhere.

We were well beaten tonight by a decent side, not a great one. Too many of our big players didn’t show up, though not as bad as the cup final, but like the cup final our defending was horrendous. All four of their goals were horrific, real amateur stuff. Not one of our defenders got pass marks from me and after praising Porteous last week he was back to his slack play and diving in he’s too often guilty of.

I’ll say it again though , if Martin Boyle doesn’t turn up we are an average side.

[Block]

Likewise, can we phone Aberdeen and ask how they get the margins to go their way?

Seriously, we are moving in the right direction but momentum requires fans to buy in to this vision.

It will be very difficult to keep fans on-side if we have a poor season after Covid lockdowns and £1m, or whatever, getting spent on TVs and infrastructure. Whether it be Ron Gordon's money or not. Fans can appreciate the club need to get better sponsorship deals etc. but failing to do anything in Europe is not going to help on that front.

Hibs need to get it right on and off the field. It is obviously very difficult to achieve that quickly but Hibs fans are quite impatient. They have some right to be, we should've won more than we have in our history.

We have phrases mocking our inability to win things and our routine capitulation. I'd like that to end and for us to be able to ram it down people's throats. Still waiting though, maybe see it in my lifetime.

We're not going to have a poor season. Plenty football still to be played and we'll win far more games than we lose. We have a good team. Some played very well tonight up until the sending off with some off their usual game. We really do need to have perspective. We're sitting top of the league albeit on goal difference and a home game against Kilmarnock to look forward to on Sunday. Big Daz had one of these moments every defender dreads. Caught in two minds and paid the price. We'll get over it and I'm sure we'll sign a big quality Center Half in due course.

[Chuck Rhoades]

Started the season the really well and we’re playing far far better football.

First leg against Rijeka and we dominated them and were the better team by far however failed to make our chances count.

Second leg and we’re without Hanlon, Doidge and Allan, all of whom would’ve played their part and are big players for us. First half we took a while to get going however second half we upped It massively and got a good goal through Magennis, I really thought we were going to kick on and win. I would also add that for me Nisbet looked like he was still carrying his knock.

A moment of madness from McGregor turned the game on it’s head and even more so when we conceded a pathetic goal seconds later. The game was done there.

Rijeka are a good side, I’ve seen people saying otherwise and to me it’s nonsense. They’re well used to playing in Europe and their front 3/4 players would be a handful for any team.

Football is all if buts and maybes but you can’t completely rip up a team just because of one result.

Ross and Gordon have us going in the right direction and we’re getting there.

A couple more signings will see us kick on again.

I know it’s frustrating and people hate the ‘fine margains’ saying but it’s true. I’m gutted for the players as they never deserved that.

Ross will address us being poor from crosses, I’ve no doubt. Every time I’ve noticed something poor about us he seems to tweak the team to make us better there.

For me a centre half and striker are absolute certs to come in at the moment. I’d also like a complete flair player with pace, technique and creativity that we can Chuck on and create something out of nothing.

We keep going.

8 goals conceded this season - every one from a cross. I don’t share your optimism on JR fixing this I’m afraid.

[Smartie]

I think we're flat track bullies who look good against weak opposition when we get lucky with injuries.

When we come up against a test - either a decent team, a big occasion, or having to do without even one or two players - we fall short.

It might appear to down to fine margins, and I think they are, but when you fail by fine margins as often as we do then you have to start asking questions.

Do I think we'll play some pretty tidy stuff and bat away pretty awful Scottish sides regularly - yep. Do I think we'll win any trophies this season - Christ, no. Do I think we'll just about do enough to get another crack at Europe next season - yes, probably. Do I expect us still to be in some sort of state of transition, therefore treating European football in some sort of half-arsed "it's a bonus" mindset getting papped out early and missing out on the sort of money that progression would bring, allowing us to properly move on up from here - yup.

Am I frustrated - damn right. I don't want to just ignore the positives that we have, but I just don't share the optimism that we are progressing, as it just feels to me that we're at a glass ceiling we'll struggle to ever burst through.

[Stuart93]

8 goals conceded this season - every one from a cross. I don’t share your optimism on JR fixing this I’m afraid.

Horrendous stat that, every goal conceded so far’s been from a cross? Jeez

[jeffers]

I think we're flat track bullies who look good against weak opposition when we get lucky with injuries.

When we come up against a test - either a decent team, a big occasion, or having to do without even one or two players - we fall short.

It might appear to down to fine margins, and I think they are, but when you fail by fine margins as often as we do then you have to start asking questions.

Do I think we'll play some pretty tidy stuff and bat away pretty awful Scottish sides regularly - yep. Do I think we'll win any trophies this season - Christ, no. Do I think we'll just about do enough to get another crack at Europe next season - yes, probably. Do I expect us still to be in some sort of state of transition, therefore treating European football in some sort of half-arsed "it's a bonus" mindset getting papped out early and missing out on the sort of money that progression would bring, allowing us to properly move on up from here - yup.

Am I frustrated - damn right. I don't want to just ignore the positives that we have, but I just don't share the optimism that we are progressing, as it just feels to me that we're at a glass ceiling we'll struggle to ever burst through.

I was depressed enough ‘til I read your post. I’m worried you are spot on in your analysis.

[ehf]

Rijeka are a decent side, but not one of of the five goals they scored over the tie would be conceded by a semi-competent defence.

[basehibby]

Indeed. This was the culmination of last seasons hard work - this was the reward for finishing 3rd. And it's over already. Unless we get to another cup final this season its our biggest game of all the 2021/22 season.

Now we're sitting here tonight having been done over and with the clubs that finished 4th and 5th still in Europe, and a tie away from group stage football.

I said after praising the manager and the team following the Ross County game that we'd have bigger tests to come. This was one and we failed.

All true - the title of the thread is Perspective and this tie has given us plenty if St Johnstone didn't give us enough at the end of last season.

We are a decent side but there is still plenty of room for improvement. I think this Euro tie could have easily gone our way as we dominated at ER and were very much in the game until McGregor's faux-pas. But Rjeka - though a decent side also, are hardly leading lights in Europe and it's an indicator of just how far we have to go that we couldn't get past them.

Will we ever get there? I don't know but I think we are still in a good place despite this humbling exit, with good leadership being shown from both the dugout and the boardroom - so I'm hopefull that we will continue to progress and earn the right to play in Europe again this season - and hopefully, if we do, will be better prepared to progress next time round.

[Block]

I think we're flat track bullies who look good against weak opposition when we get lucky with injuries.

When we come up against a test - either a decent team, a big occasion, or having to do without even one or two players - we fall short.

It might appear to down to fine margins, and I think they are, but when you fail by fine margins as often as we do then you have to start asking questions.

Do I think we'll play some pretty tidy stuff and bat away pretty awful Scottish sides regularly - yep. Do I think we'll win any trophies this season - Christ, no. Do I think we'll just about do enough to get another crack at Europe next season - yes, probably. Do I expect us still to be in some sort of state of transition, therefore treating European football in some sort of half-arsed "it's a bonus" mindset getting papped out early and missing out on the sort of money that progression would bring, allowing us to properly progress from here - yup.

Am I frustrated - damn right. I don't want to just ignore the positives that we have, but I just don't share the optimism that we are progressing, as it just feels to me that we're at a glass ceiling we'll struggle to burst through.

You've shared your total doom and gloom on just about every thread possible. There's no doubt we've progressed. Some of the football we play is outstanding at times. If Hanlon had played we'd have won that game tonight. Big Daz is normally Mr Dependable. He mucked up and will be as devastated as the rest of us. Onwards and upwards.

[bingo70]

I think we're flat track bullies who look good against weak opposition when we get lucky with injuries.

When we come up against a test - either a decent team, a big occasion, or having to do without even one or two players - we fall short.

It might appear to down to fine margins, and I think they are, but when you fail by fine margins as often as we do then you have to start asking questions.

Do I think we'll play some pretty tidy stuff and bat away pretty awful Scottish sides regularly - yep. Do I think we'll win any trophies this season - Christ, no. Do I think we'll just about do enough to get another crack at Europe next season - yes, probably. Do I expect us still to be in some sort of state of transition, therefore treating European football in some sort of half-arsed "it's a bonus" mindset getting papped out early and missing out on the sort of money that progression would bring, allowing us to properly progress from here - yup.

Am I frustrated - damn right. I don't want to just ignore the positives that we have, but I just don't share the optimism that we are progressing, as it just feels to me that we're at a glass ceiling we'll struggle to burst through.

Really like most of this.

I do think we are getting better as a side and we will make progress this season. We’ve a right good chance of finishing third again this season which would be terrific, early signs are also that we’ll do it playing better football than we did last season.

Overall I think there is things to be positive about.

When it comes to derbies and games against the old firm though I feel pretty confident we will be coming away talking about how unlucky we were again though.

[Stuart93]

Really like most of this.

I do think we are getting better as a side and we will make progress this season. We’ve a right good chance of finishing third again this season which would be terrific, early signs are also that we’ll do it playing better football than we did last season.

Overall I think there is things to be positive about.

When it comes to derbies and games against the old firm though I feel pretty confident we will be coming away talking about how unlucky we were again though.

It’s not called unlucky anymore, it’s now referred to as “fine margins”. Like when we got beat from hearts in the semi, or st johnstone in the semi, or st johnstone in the final & in Europe from Rijeka. Fine margins.

[madhatter]

We're not going to have a poor season. Plenty football still to be played and we'll win far more games than we lose. We have a good team. Some played very well tonight up until the sending off with some off their usual game. We really do need to have perspective. We're sitting top of the league albeit on goal difference and a home game against Kilmarnock to look forward to on Sunday. Big Daz had one of these moments every defender dreads. Caught in two minds and paid the price. We'll get over it and I'm sure we'll sign a big quality Center Half in due course.

The perspective I have is I've seen Hibs do this virtually every time we qualify for Europe - which isn't as often as it should be. Be underprepared squad-wise (was the same when McGinn dragged us through some rounds).

It'll be tough to recover from this in time for the game on Sunday, especially if Doidge injury is as bad as it sounds.

We are 2-3 injuries from a serious problem in our starting line-up so whilst I'm confident in our fully fit squad being able to win more than they lose, I'm not confident in Nisbet leading the line and McGregor getting called back into the starting line-up. Have no idea who replaces Boyle when he doesn't turn up/gets injured. Murphy getting injured will see a change in formation again.

If we sign 2-3 quality players in key positions (not CM...) we should go on to have a great season if players stay fit and healthy. Hope this happens but surprised it's not been done already if I'm honest. Which, correctly or not, makes me think we aren't going to do much else. I'd imagine a striker will be top priority now that Doidge is injured which will take attention away from the defensive frailties. We seem to sign a single player at a time these days which takes a few days or weeks once rumours start kicking about (unless we have other Mueller type situations on-going).

Hope we have signing news early next week.

[bingo70]

It’s not called unlucky anymore, it’s now referred to as “fine margins”. Like when we got beat from hearts in the semi, or st johnstone in the semi, or st johnstone in the final & in Europe from Rijeka. Fine margins.

Well I’m sure we’ll get the benefit of plenty fine margins too then this season.

(Im sure Jack Ross could point to other games where he’s been the victim of fine margins however I don’t really think there’s any point of bringing them up)

[cad]

In my lifetime tonight's just another one to add to the list .

Remember this night ,what a night ,what a team



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsJoPmTO08M

[MinceAndTatties]

We were well beaten tonight by a decent side, not a great one. Too many of our big players didn’t show up, though not as bad as the cup final, but like the cup final our defending was horrendous. All four of their goals were horrific, real amateur stuff. Not one of our defenders got pass marks from me and after praising Porteous last week he was back to his slack play and diving in he’s too often guilty of.

I’ll say it again though , if Martin Boyle doesn’t turn up we are an average side.

This

[.Sean.]

Starting to get sick of these “fine margins” never going our way.
Totally where you’re at but for one season and one season only I’m gonna give them the benefit of them

[SHODAN]

Started the season the really well and we’re playing far far better football.

First leg against Rijeka and we dominated them and were the better team by far however failed to make our chances count.

Second leg and we’re without Hanlon, Doidge and Allan, all of whom would’ve played their part and are big players for us. First half we took a while to get going however second half we upped It massively and got a good goal through Magennis, I really thought we were going to kick on and win. I would also add that for me Nisbet looked like he was still carrying his knock.

A moment of madness from McGregor turned the game on it’s head and even more so when we conceded a pathetic goal seconds later. The game was done there.

Rijeka are a good side, I’ve seen people saying otherwise and to me it’s nonsense. They’re well used to playing in Europe and their front 3/4 players would be a handful for any team.

Football is all if buts and maybes but you can’t completely rip up a team just because of one result.

Ross and Gordon have us going in the right direction and we’re getting there.

A couple more signings will see us kick on again.

I know it’s frustrating and people hate the ‘fine margains’ saying but it’s true. I’m gutted for the players as they never deserved that.

Ross will address us being poor from crosses, I’ve no doubt. Every time I’ve noticed something poor about us he seems to tweak the team to make us better there.

For me a centre half and striker are absolute certs to come in at the moment. I’d also like a complete flair player with pace, technique and creativity that we can Chuck on and create something out of nothing.

We keep going.

Well said.

The deluge of hyperbolic outrage threads, many of which have probably been drafted in hope for a good couple of weeks, are nothing short of an embarrassment.

Still favourites for 3rd.

[Col2]

Fine margins again. Groundhog Day.

Defence can’t defend. Right side weakest link. Same last season in cup semifinals. Same players this season = same outcome. That is not fine margins.

Boyle didn’t turn up for big game, like semi versus Hearts, St Johnstone and final versus St Johnstone. Nisbet the same except Hearts game had personal mitigating circumstances

What IS different is we have a midfield that feels transformed and there is no doubt that Murphy is a quality player when fit.

We need to make some key additions. They need to be better than what we have. I have no doubt we will beat Ross country etc most weeks and finish top 6 but last season Aberdeen were crap and there was no real competition for 3rd.

[Col2]

Well said.

The deluge of hyperbolic outrage threads, many of which have probably been drafted in hope for a good couple of weeks, are nothing short of an embarrassment.

Still favourites for 3rd.

Emotional reactions is what we are seeing and some of it over the top but we have been in this movie before last season. In one of high pressure games like tonight we either don’t turn up or press self distruct button. Our defence is our weakest area. It’s exactly the same as last season. I don’t think we are favorites for 3rd, Aberdeen are in my opinion and we will fight with the jambos for who is Edinburgh top dogs. They know how to defend and have a quality keeper.

[MWHIBBIES]

Starting to get sick of these “fine margins” never going our way.

They do, though.

[Since452]

I think people were getting a bit ahead of themselves saying we were going to win this tie. Like Dnipro and Maribor they may seem like minnows but in reality they are a much better side than Hibs and know how to play European ties. We are very inexperienced in comparison. Getting to Europe again next season and not in 5 or 6 years time is the key to improving.

[CL0762]

I think people were getting a bit ahead of themselves saying we were going to win this tie. Like Dnipro and Maribor they may seem like minnows but in reality they are a much better side than Hibs and know how to play European ties. We are very inexperienced in comparison. Getting to Europe again next season and not in 5 or 6 years time is the key to improving.

I’m sorry but they are definitely not ‘a much better side’ than Hibs.

I know folk may look at McGregor costing us the game, but I think our inability to take at least a 2 goal lead over there has cost us the tie in the grand scheme of things.

[Since452]

I’m sorry but they are definitely not ‘a much better side’ than Hibs.

I know folk may look at McGregor costing us the game, but I think our inability to take at least a 2 goal lead over there has cost us the tie in the grand scheme of things.

The score would suggest they are

[CL0762]

The score would suggest they are

The score also came about because we chucked it after McGregor got sent off. It didn’t finish 4-1 to them because they battered us, it finished 4-1 to them because of our inability to adjust to the sending off.

[Since452]

The score also came about because we chucked it after McGregor got sent off. It didn’t finish 4-1 to them because they battered us, it finished 4-1 to them because of our inability to adjust to the sending off.

That's on us. They punished us. That's the difference.

[I_Love_Latapy]

Likewise, can we phone Aberdeen and ask how they get the margins to go their way?

AFC huffed and puffed to beat the second best team in Iceland (pop 300,000) to earn the right to play some team from Azerbaijan. Not excusing our performance but there are several fine margins and the draw is another one.

Agree with the need to look at things from the oppo's point of view. "We gifted them a goal last night" they would have said (in Croat). "We were lacklustre in Edinburgh and got way with it". "Get rid of that right sided centre back he's useless". "All those fancy diagonal balls not finding players in the first game". You get my point.

Daz doesn't get sent off, and the fine margins might have gone our way. Who knows?

PS Was Boyle quiet because they stifled his supply/marked him out of the game, because he looked like our main threat at ER? I don't know as you can't tell from the highlights but maybe- tactically its exactly what you'd do.

[JimBHibees]

Basically for me, we can blame recruitment etc all we want about how we done have another striker and centre half.

For 67 minutes tonight and all other games this season it wasn’t an issue.

McGregor got sent off and it killed the game for us.

McGregor stays on and it’s a completely different game. Granted we might not have won, but it would have been different.

Sometimes when you lose I think people look too much into it. In reality one stupid decision by our most experienced player has killed us.

Agree just before the red card we were looking like winning. The worst aspect was the ludicrous goal we lost just after the red. Many 10 man teams get organised and make it difficult for the team to break them down the fact we didn't was very disappointing.

[JimBHibees]

I think people were getting a bit ahead of themselves saying we were going to win this tie. Like Dnipro and Maribor they may seem like minnows but in reality they are a much better side than Hibs and know how to play European ties. We are very inexperienced in comparison. Getting to Europe again next season and not in 5 or 6 years time is the key to improving.

I think the two games showed they weren't a much better side. Both ties were very even overall with us being better first game them probably having the edge in the second one. Both teams looked like a goal threat but not great defensively. At the sending off we were looking more likely to win the tie. Of course we then gift two goals a horrible corner and own goal. They certainly weren't imo levels above us and we were more than competitive in the tie with most commentators recognising they were flattered by the final margin.

[AlbertK86]

Started the season the really well and we’re playing far far better football.

First leg against Rijeka and we dominated them and were the better team by far however failed to make our chances count.

Second leg and we’re without Hanlon, Doidge and Allan, all of whom would’ve played their part and are big players for us. First half we took a while to get going however second half we upped It massively and got a good goal through Magennis, I really thought we were going to kick on and win. I would also add that for me Nisbet looked like he was still carrying his knock.

A moment of madness from McGregor turned the game on it’s head and even more so when we conceded a pathetic goal seconds later. The game was done there.

Rijeka are a good side, I’ve seen people saying otherwise and to me it’s nonsense. They’re well used to playing in Europe and their front 3/4 players would be a handful for any team.

Football is all if buts and maybes but you can’t completely rip up a team just because of one result.

Ross and Gordon have us going in the right direction and we’re getting there.

A couple more signings will see us kick on again.

I know it’s frustrating and people hate the ‘fine margains’ saying but it’s true. I’m gutted for the players as they never deserved that.

Ross will address us being poor from crosses, I’ve no doubt. Every time I’ve noticed something poor about us he seems to tweak the team to make us better there.

For me a centre half and striker are absolute certs to come in at the moment. I’d also like a complete flair player with pace, technique and creativity that we can Chuck on and create something out of nothing.

We keep going.

Well said


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[Jones28]

Starting to get sick of these “fine margins” never going our way.

Well why don’t you cut your season ticket up and write a strongly worded email?

[EdinburghHibern]

Well why don’t you cut your season ticket up and write a strongly worded email?

Why would he cut his season ticket up?

[neil7908]

That's on us. They punished us. That's the difference.

Yup. That's often the difference between a good and bad side surely?

Not making basic mistakes, and if your opponent does, capitalising on them and turning the screw.

I don't think the aggregate score was "fair" but the fact we didn't take our chances and they did is why they are a better team.

The frustration for me is that I don't think they are anything special.

[Stuart93]

Well why don’t you cut your season ticket up and write a strongly worded email?

What a silly post. How do you cut up an email?

[Stuart93]

Why would he cut his season ticket up?

Because you aren’t allowed an opinion on here if it’s a negative one. If you’re sick of the fine margins chat you’ve to cut up your season ticket immediately

[Green-Hibee-7]

Thought we started quite poorly yesterday. Passing wasn’t at it, we have gave the ball away lots and it was a big contrast from the week prior against them. We survived a few scares both before and after their goal. Second half, up until the red card, we were playing well. On the front foot and I was pretty confident. We kind of collapsed after the red and some of the goals we conceded were criminal. 5-2 on aggregate against them flatters them big time. It is what it is.

It showed me that we are not that far away from being a good team, but we need extra bodies. I’d like to see a couple at of defenders in and something different up front on top of the American guy coming in.

[SlickShoes]

I don't understand folk that think we lost to minnows. They played in the Champions League 4 years ago and have 50% win rate in the Europa League out of about 60 odd games played. We on the other hand can't even make the non-qualifying rounds on any sort of consistent basis.

I get that its disappointing we lost but acting like Rijeka are minnows because you have never heard of them is ridiculous, we are the minnows in this tie whether you like it or not.

We are coming off a season of no fans and money is tight, if we have to wait to get the right players in then that's what needs to happen. I think we look like a good team but with little depth, that's basically the reality of Scottish football, no one outside the old firm really has decent depth and if they get a few injuries it derails the whole season.

[Jones28]

What a silly post. How do you cut up an email?

Print it :confused:

[Jones28]

Because you aren’t allowed an opinion on here if it’s a negative one. If you’re sick of the fine margins chat you’ve to cut up your season ticket immediately


Oh dear, Stuarts sense of humour really failing him this morning.

[loanheadhibby]

No?

I think we’ll bring Muller in and Gullan will leave.

So same amount but one that we’ll actually use.

I also have a feeling we’ll get James Scott.
Who is James Scott?

[The_Sauz]

Who is James Scott?
Walter's brother!









































:greengrin

[JOD]

Just look at our defence.
No right backs.
Mcginn has been poor this season
and relying on 2 Centre backs that done great in 2016 along with Porto who is an accident waiting to happen anytime.
And we wonder where our problems are?
Cmon Gordon. You told us the priority was investment in the first team. It's now time to prove it F_-k Big screens and all that nonsense.

[Since452]

Just look at our defence.
No right backs.
Mcginn has been poor this season
and relying on 2 Centre backs that done great in 2016 along with Porto who is an accident waiting to happen anytime.
And we wonder where our problems are?
Cmon Gordon. You told us the priority was investment in the first team. It's now time to prove it F_-k Big screens and all that nonsense.

Chris Cadden can play right back so we have two. We're also two wins from two in the league. We're doing OK.