Beaten Ourselves

[.Sean.]

That’s the worst thing about it, I can certainly accept being beaten by a better and more experienced team who are in recent times accustomed to 2 legged ties like this than if we’re well beaten through bad luck or simply no being at the races, but that wasn’t the case because over 180 minutes as they were by and large pretty average and no better than us.

We had enough chances to win the tie two times over last week, and we were well on top tonight until we beat ourselves with a combination of poor decision making in the final third and general slackeness (over both legs) be it crap finishing that other clubs we compare ourselves to would punish, or our lack of depth at the back which in the end led to what I can only describe as brain fart moments and junior level decision making. If nothing else comes of tonight and the fine margins we lost that on then surely RG will open the wallet and address the obvious deficiencies we have at the back of which teams at the level he wants us to be at would’nt have.

Certainly not angry, I am however really disappointed, and hopefully if RG wants us where he sees
his wallet taking us in terms of competing in European completion he amends his expectations and or his budget accordingly!

[CL0762]

We should’ve been going there with at least a 2 goal advantage.

My question would’ve been, especially knowing Nisbet took a dull one last week and wasn’t involved on Sunday, what kind of training were we doing that meant Doidge took a knock and missed out tonight?

[Winston Ingram]

We should’ve been going there with at least a 2 goal advantage.

My question would’ve been, especially knowing Nisbet took a dull one last week and wasn’t involved on Sunday, what kind of training were we doing that meant Doidge took a knock and missed out tonight?

Really missed Doidge tonight. Nisbet was poor.

[gaz1875]

They were a bang average European team and we went out against them with a whimper. If you had switched off at 1-1 you would have been shocked with the final score. Heads went down after the blunder and red card and no one rose to the challenge (see Malmo)

[Inconsequential]

Hibs are like the original Mission Impossible tv series. Can self destruct in five seconds. For older Hibbies only.

[Unseen work]

For me i thought it looked like Nisbet was still carrying a knock.

With Doidge the injury could be anything or have come from anything, doesn’t mean the players were going flying into tackles.

[Smartie]

For me i thought it looked like Nisbet was still carrying a knock.

With Doidge the injury could be anything or have come from anything, doesn’t mean the players were going flying into tackles.

I thought he looked like he was carrying a knock, or certainly playing within himself.

We didn't exactly give him a succession of easy chances to take though, the service to him was generally either poor or non-existent.

[gaz1875]

For me i thought it looked like Nisbet was still carrying a knock.

With Doidge the injury could be anything or have come from anything, doesn’t mean the players were going flying into tackles.

Nisbet looked uninterested at times and was complaining to the ref at fulltime for some reason.

[Pretty Boy]

We should have taken an advantage over there. We didn't and we paid the price.

Everything else is just noise. Individual errors, possession stats, recent results etc mean nothing.

We had our chances at home, we didn't take them. We paid the price tonight. That's not a criticism of the team, the manager, the players, the owner or whatever else. It's just a reflection of what happened. Over 2 legs you generally get what you deserve and in our case it was an early ticket home.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Aye, we had every chance before Darren's red card, but to crumble after that to a 5-2 aggregate was very poor. The scores flatters the Croats, but they deserve to go through. Our squad does need strengthening.

[Stuart93]

Like others have said some teams that go down to 10 men seem to be harder to break down, I’ve never seen that happen with us.

We absolutely crumbled tonight

[tamig]

Like others have said some teams that go down to 10 men seem to be harder to break down, I’ve never seen that happen with us.

We absolutely crumbled tonight

Losing the goal right after the red card was a sore one to take. I wouldn't blame any player for the heads dropping a bit in that situation - especially when we were beginning to take a good grip of the game right before Daz's moment of madness. Think you are being very harsh.

[Stuart93]

Losing the goal right after the red card was a sore one to take. I wouldn't blame any player for the heads dropping a bit in that situation - especially when we were beginning to take a good grip of the game right before Daz's moment of madness. Think you are being very harsh.

Na I don’t think I am. Our defending after Daz’s red was pitiful. Especially the 4th and the lazy dangling of legs summed it up. It’s never going to be easy when you go down to ten men but to say the defending was anything other than atrocious would be incorrect

In fact their goal right after the red card was another example of comical defending.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Bang on OP.

We beat ourselves in that game by not going over there with a 2 goal lead which we should have after the first leg and a massively experienced defender having an absolute brain fart just as it looked like we were the team in the ascendancy tonight.

We must learn from this. We have the makings of a very decent team and what's going to stop that from happening is two things. The first is a defence that looks a million miles away from a clean sheet in practically every game and the second is our profligacy in front of goal. So far this season It's just the same as last season, in that we appear to need 4 or 5 chances to score one goal, if we could score 2 from every 4 or 5 chances we would be formidable.

But our problem is very definitely at the back .... profligacy aside we do score in practically every game, what we don't do is keep clean sheets and every week one of the back 4 is the scapegoat for it ... Hanlon, Porteous, McGinn, Stevenson, McGregor, Doig ..... all take their turn. But as a collective no matter what the combination is we always seem to screw up somewhere and allow at least one goal .... even in the Ross County game we kept a clean sheet because they missed two golden opportunities to score, not because our defence never allowed any chances.

We need at least one centre half .. a bloody good one .... and a rleft back who can defend and attack, like the brilliant David Murphy. Doig can get forward but he is an average defender. Stevenson can defend, but his forward movement is, and always has been, extremely limited .. we need a LB who can do both.

[Alfred E Newman]

Aye, we had every chance before Darren's red card, but to crumble after that to a 5-2 aggregate was very poor. The scores flatters the Croats, but they deserve to go through. Our squad does need strengthening.

We've known that since the end of last season. We have a plethora of midfield players and little or no cover up front or at the back, the same weaknesses we had last season.

[madhatter]

Na I don’t think I am. Our defending after Daz’s red was pitiful. Especially the 4th and the lazy dangling of legs summed it up. It’s never going to be easy when you go down to ten men but to say the defending was anything other than atrocious would be incorrect

In fact their goal right after the red card was another example of comical defending.

The red card, the goal from the corner and the 4th highlights the problems in our defence.

The worrying thing is it isn't individuals. Daz will be highlighted because he got the red but we debate this all the time on here:

Get Hanlon out, he's soft as hell, gets bullied.

Get Daz out, he's too old, too rash, whatever.

Get Porteous out, he thinks he is Maldini and tries fancy passes but can't do basic defending correctly.

Get Stevenson out, he can't cross and is a 6-7/10 type of player.

Get McGinn out, he can't stop a cross and his side gets targeted. Either due to him or Boyle leaving him exposed.

Anyway, point is, it isn't individuals. We regularly say players in our defence should be taken out because of some flaw they have. What is clear though, the sum of their flaws adds up to major surgery needed on our defence.

We cannot keep ignoring our defence.

[Stanton Spence]

I sent two WhatsApp messages to mates saying the exact same thing that I've just watched hibs beat hibs
We were right on top until the red card and after that our weaknesses were laid out bare for all to see and we crumbled.
I really don't think we are far away from having a right go at these group stages and if we recruit well and sort out our defence and then we can have a good season and improve again.
I've just read on here that Doig has picked up an injury and fingers crossed its not a bad one.

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