Scott Allan

[Since452]

Noticed he hasn't travelled to Croatia. Is he carrying a knock? Not heard much about it.

[GoalsMcGinley]

Sadly, I think Scott’s time at Hibs is coming to an end.


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[H18 SFR]

I’m a bit gutted hearing this, I thought he would have been perfect off the bench around 80 mins and/or with extra time in mind.

Murphy looks like he’s got a good 65-75 mins in him just now, substitutions will be crucial this evening.

[flash]

Wouldn't be surprised to see him moving on. Sad but not surprised.

[Andy74]

Sadly, I think Scott’s time at Hibs is coming to an end.


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Why would that be?

Other players have been in good form in midfield, he also had an injury and he plays a pretty specific role which we can’t always accommodate, however, he has been in squads and has played a part in most games.

What gives the impression he would be leaving?

[GoalsMcGinley]

The fact that he’s pushing 30 and has missed a lot of football in his career.

A player in his position will be looking to start games and play as many 90 mins as possible. He won’t get that here I’m afraid.


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[jeffers]

Why would that be?

Other players have been in good form in midfield, he also had an injury and he plays a pretty specific role which we can’t always accommodate, however, he has been in squads and has played a part in most games.

What gives the impression he would be leaving?

Cos he’s barely getting any game time, Sunday was a great opportunity to bring him on early in the second half, instead he got what 10 minutes or so ? Added to him being allowed to go on loan last season, when we could have done with a bit of his magic in the cup final.

[H18 SFR]

I still think he can have a big part to play this year, predominantly off the bench though.

I’d personally try and keep him, regardless of how big his salary is, if we have ambition to qualify for Europe again next season, we will need someone like Scott around.

I really hope he stays.

[GoalsMcGinley]

Story I’ve heard is he’s been offered to StJ as part of a deal for Jamie McCart


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[GoalsMcGinley]

This from the official match preview would also suggest he could be away

Jack Ross made two changes to his starting line-up against Ross County as Josh Doig and Christian Doidge came into the side.

Doidge, however, replaced Kevin Nisbet, who missed out through injury. The Scotland international came off against HNK Rijeka last Thursday with a dead leg, which consequently meant he missed the game against Ross County. He could return to the side for the game out in Croatia.

Our head coach has no new injury headaches, so the key question is whether squad rotation is necessary due to the congested fixture calendar. Chris Cadden, Melker Hallberg and Sean Mackie are our only long-term absentee


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[headshrinker]

Sadly, I think Scott’s time at Hibs is coming to an end.


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May have something to do with the heat there and managing his condition which I believe is all about the hydration of his body. Better safe than sorry.

[Callum_62]

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to see him go, which is a shame

He will probably be our higest earner and from an extremely cold business position, we arnt getting value for that at the moment

Ofcourse that might change but its looking less likely to me

Maybe he has a knock though or its because of the extreme heat

If it was the latter I'd imagine he wouldve travelled with the squad though

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[Andy74]

Cos he’s barely getting any game time, Sunday was a great opportunity to bring him on early in the second half, instead he got what 10 minutes or so ? Added to him being allowed to go on loan last season, when we could have done with a bit of his magic in the cup final.

The loan was obviously about his fitness and ability to be back playing though.

If there’s been any indication that he wants to be a certain starter? I’m not saying it won’t be the case for certain but we’ve heard no noises at all about that. He’s been in and around the team so far.

One of the things I read about his condition is that he needs to be constantly hydrated to be able to play on. Perhaps a call has been made that the heat would be too much of a risk for him?

Could be a continuing injury issue?

Not travelling doesn’t yet indicate that he’s leaving.

[KWJ]

The loan was obviously about his fitness and ability to be back playing though.

If there’s been any indication that he wants to be a certain starter? I’m not saying it won’t be the case for certain but we’ve heard no noises at all about that. He’s been in and around the team so far.

One of the things I read about his condition is that he needs to be constantly hydrated to be able to play on. Perhaps a call has been made that the heat would be too much of a risk for him?

Could be a continuing injury issue?

Not travelling doesn’t yet indicate that he’s leaving.

I agree with this but there is that nagging wee feeling.

He showed what he can do in the short outing he got in the first leg vs Rijeka as he picked out Daniel MacKay who should've scored. I'd definitely want to keep him around and challenging Magennis, Newell and Doyle-Hayes. They won't all be available or on form. If he was fit I'd be considering Allan ahead of Newell just now.

[Greenio]

I thought when he went on loan he wouldn't be back and was surprised when he did.

Guy is clearly ambitious and wants to start.

I've massive respect for him and what he's been through. To even come back from that at is pretty incredible and must have taken a lot of hard work.

[Brightside]

He won’t be starting any time soon with the form of Kyle. I think he’s a great squad player for us but won’t be a starter anymore.

[flash]

I agree with this but there is that nagging wee feeling.

He showed what he can do in the short outing he got in the first leg vs Rijeka as he picked out Daniel MacKay who should've scored. I'd definitely want to keep him around and challenging Magennis, Newell and Doyle-Hayes. They won't all be available or on form. If he was fit I'd be considering Allan ahead of Newell just now.

He is fit. Newell is playing great this season.

[Callum_62]

He is fit. Newell is playing great this season.Plus Allan and Newell are not similar at all

Allan for Newell would cause an issue with balance in our midfield

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[jeffers]

The loan was obviously about his fitness and ability to be back playing though.

If there’s been any indication that he wants to be a certain starter? I’m not saying it won’t be the case for certain but we’ve heard no noises at all about that. He’s been in and around the team so far.

One of the things I read about his condition is that he needs to be constantly hydrated to be able to play on. Perhaps a call has been made that the heat would be too much of a risk for him?

Could be a continuing injury issue?

Not travelling doesn’t yet indicate that he’s leaving.

Which I never agreed was of any benefit to Hibs. Put it this way if it had been Joe Newell for example who had the heart issue do you think Ross would have let him go on loan ?

Given how much football he’s missed recently and his desire to go on loan last season when it was apparent he wouldn’t be getting much of an opportunity with us I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to think he’ll be wanting to play this season.

And yes you could be correct about the reasons why he hasn’t travelled for tonight, but it’s not as if we are playing in Death Valley. And none of that explains why he got so little time on Sunday. The game was won, it was a perfect opportunity to give a player some much needed playing time, if of course he’s part of the managers plans.

I don’t know if it says something about Ross or Scottish football in general but it’s a sad state of affairs when a talent like Scott Allan can’t get a regular game.

[The Modfather]

A good player and someone I enjoy watching when on form. Sadly, his wage could probably be better utilised.

[hibbysam]

I agree with this but there is that nagging wee feeling.

He showed what he can do in the short outing he got in the first leg vs Rijeka as he picked out Daniel MacKay who should've scored. I'd definitely want to keep him around and challenging Magennis, Newell and Doyle-Hayes. They won't all be available or on form. If he was fit I'd be considering Allan ahead of Newell just now.

Scott Allan is miles away from being able to play the role Newell does. We’ve found a solid, settled midfield three. Allan is an impact sub just now and will be until something changes, ie injury, suspension or rapid loss of form. I don’t think he’ll be away as he won’t earn what he earns at Hibs anywhere else.

[hibbysam]

Which I never agreed was of any benefit to Hibs. Put it this way if it had been Joe Newell for example who had the heart issue do you think Ross would have let him go on loan ?

Given how much football he’s missed recently and his desire to go on loan last season when it was apparent he wouldn’t be getting much of an opportunity with us I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to think he’ll be wanting to play this season.

And yes you could be correct about the reasons why he hasn’t travelled for tonight, but it’s not as if we are playing in Death Valley. And none of that explains why he got so little time on Sunday. The game was won, it was a perfect opportunity to give a player some much needed playing time, if of course he’s part of the managers plans.

I don’t know if it says something about Ross or Scottish football in general but it’s a sad state of affairs when a talent like Scott Allan can’t get a regular game.

We have players playing extremely well, it’s hardly a sad state of affairs that a boy that missed nearly a year of football can’t dislodge another top young player who is playing and scoring.

[H18 SFR]

Scott Allan is miles away from being able to play the role Newell does. We’ve found a solid, settled midfield three. Allan is an impact sub just now and will be until something changes, ie injury, suspension or rapid loss of form. I don’t think he’ll be away as he won’t earn what he earns at Hibs anywhere else.

I think if we were moving him on we’d need to supplement his salary where ever he goes. Let’s be honest, he’s not going to throw away money knowing this is likely the last of his bumper contracts.

[Callum_62]

I don’t know if it says something about Ross or Scottish football in general but it’s a sad state of affairs when a talent like Scott Allan can’t get a regular game.

Scott Allan of 24 months ago, sure

Scott Allan of now? Highly debateable

Scott Allan was a terrific talent but he's no where near the levels he was at before

Nothing to do with Jack Ross or Scottish football



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[jeffers]

We have players playing extremely well, it’s hardly a sad state of affairs that a boy that missed nearly a year of football can’t dislodge another top young player who is playing and scoring.

A matter of opinion about players playing extremely well but you and I have already had the Newell debate, I’ve no wish to restart that.

[B.H.F.C]

He won’t be starting any time soon with the form of Kyle. I think he’s a great squad player for us but won’t be a starter anymore.

I don’t think Allan is a great squad player for us. His game is all about sharpness and if he’s not playing, and doesn’t have that, I think he’ll toil to get to any type of level when he does get on to the pitch.

[Since452]

May have something to do with the heat there and managing his condition which I believe is all about the hydration of his body. Better safe than sorry.

Possibly. He didn't travel to Andorra either which was similarly hot although it was reported he was carrying a knock then. It's a delicate situation and I don't want to sound harsh but he'll be on a good wage so he's either fit to play in games or he isn't. I really hope it isn't to do with his condition as it's no good for Scott or Hibs.

[H18 SFR]

A matter of opinion about players playing extremely well but you and I have already had the Newell debate, I’ve no wish to restart that.

We’ve made a very good start to the season and every player that has contributed has played well. Some have played very well, and some excellent.

Scott Allan included - but I totally agree with the comments that he’s not st the level of say 24 months ago.

[jeffers]

Scott Allan of 24 months ago, sure

Scott Allan of now? Highly debateable

Scott Allan was a terrific talent but he's no where near the levels he was at before

Nothing to do with Jack Ross or Scottish football



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Based on what ? I don’t see how he’s had enough game time for any Hibs fan to come to that conclusion. What I have however seen is him come on last week and play a fantastic pass, a pass few if any players in our team could pick out, that should have resulted in us getting the winning goal.

[flash]

A matter of opinion about players playing extremely well but you and I have already had the Newell debate, I’ve no wish to restart that.

It shouldn't be a matter of opinion as its blindingly obvious.

[H18 SFR]

It shouldn't be a matter of opinion as its blindingly obvious.

Newall is a perfect fit for our preferred system this year.

Calm on the ball, can take it in tight spaces and pick a pass, works extremely hard off the ball for the team, constantly communicating with his team mates - we are very lucky to have him.

[jeffers]

It shouldn't be a matter of opinion as its blindingly obvious.

To you maybe.

[KWJ]

Scott Allan is miles away from being able to play the role Newell does. We’ve found a solid, settled midfield three. Allan is an impact sub just now and will be until something changes, ie injury, suspension or rapid loss of form. I don’t think he’ll be away as he won’t earn what he earns at Hibs anywhere else.

He doesn't have to be like for like. A midfield 3 of Magennis, Doyle-Hayes and Allan could work with Magennis behind Allan. I like Newell but I don't think he's started the season as well as JDH or KM, that's the jersey to fight for.

I'm not saying Allan should be starting, but he should be in the equation.

I don't really understand the comments about not being the Allan of 24 months ago, how do we know? He's played about 30 minutes and in that time should've merited an assist.

[jeffers]

He doesn't have to be like for like. A midfield 3 of Magennis, Doyle-Hayes and Allan could work with Magennis behind Allan. I like Newell but I don't think he's started the season as well as JDH or KM, that's the jersey to fight for.

I'm not saying Allan should be starting, but he should be in the equation.

I don't really understand the comments about not being the Allan of 24 months ago, how do we know? He's played about 30 minutes and in that time should've merited an assist.

I totally agree.

[SHODAN]

If Allan leaves I will be absolutely gutted.

[Scooter]

He is fit. Newell is playing great this season.

He is fit but hes also not. I dont think theres anything too sinister in why hes missing. Remember he missed last week in Europe too but was back for league game

[gbhibby]

May have something to do with the heat there and managing his condition which I believe is all about the hydration of his body. Better safe than sorry.
Probably the reason.

[neil7908]

If Allan leaves I will be absolutely gutted.

Me too. He's barely played and even in that short time on the pitch you saw with his pass to Mackay what he's capable of.

Scott Allan is the best footballer at the club imo. We'll struggle to find anyone with his cutting edge in the final 3rd.

[jeffers]

Me too. He's barely played and even in that short time on the pitch you saw with his pass to Mackay what he's capable of.

Scott Allan is the best footballer at the club imo. We'll struggle to find anyone with his cutting edge in the final 3rd.

Absolutely spot on and it’s why we should be finding a place in the team for him.

[hibbysam]

He doesn't have to be like for like. A midfield 3 of Magennis, Doyle-Hayes and Allan could work with Magennis behind Allan. I like Newell but I don't think he's started the season as well as JDH or KM, that's the jersey to fight for.

I'm not saying Allan should be starting, but he should be in the equation.

I don't really understand the comments about not being the Allan of 24 months ago, how do we know? He's played about 30 minutes and in that time should've merited an assist.

So from a midfield 3 that’s been our strongest area already this season and controlling games, you would not only change personnel, but also move who you’ve said has started the season very well into a deeper position and therefore remove some of his ability to get into the box and score goals like he has done?

Newell has started the season as well as any of our other midfielders, an outstanding player for this club and thankfully he will continue to do so. One of the main reasons we now dominate games, including our European tie last week.

Allan will need to wait his turn, no doubt still a top player but I’m far more comfortable with our team just now than I would be taking one of our midfielders out in the hope that we have 2015 Scott Allan back again.

[Torto7]

Me too. He's barely played and even in that short time on the pitch you saw with his pass to Mackay what he's capable of.

Scott Allan is the best footballer at the club imo. We'll struggle to find anyone with his cutting edge in the final 3rd.

We're not exactly struggling for goals. Scotts problem is his lack of impact off tha ball. Newell presses the opponent. The workrate of our current midfield is levels above what Scott can manage so he becomes an expensive luxury.

[Callum_62]

Based on what ? I don’t see how he’s had enough game time for any Hibs fan to come to that conclusion. What I have however seen is him come on last week and play a fantastic pass, a pass few if any players in our team could pick out, that should have resulted in us getting the winning goal.Based on his previous 12-18 months of what I've seen

I do think you are going a bit overboard about 1 pass too

Before we knew he had health issues I was on here saying something is off - like his agility has gone and he looks awkward

Unfortunately, I still see a similarity in Allan's physical attributes

Yes, he can still pick a pass but his overall game, IMHO looks miles away

Like everyone, I hoped he could get back to the terrific player he was but I think that looks less and less likley now

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[neil7908]

Absolutely spot on and it’s why we should be finding a place in the team for him.

Issue is fitness though. Can he last 90 mins? 60 mins? 30 mins?

I just don't know. The only people that do are Scott, the coaches, JR etc so the fact he isn't playing is telling. I would be really sad to see him go as even 15 mins off the bench gives us something different but I think it's hard to see who he replaces from the start given how well we're playing right now.

[weecounty hibby]

I love him as a playerand would love to see him back to his best where he would be a certain starter. But he looked lost when he came on against Ross County. And I know folk will say things like 15 minutes here and there isn't enough for him but actually we have been playing well so who would get dropped? Also maybe he just isn't showing it in training either. I think his illness may have impacted him more than he or Hibs would like to admit.

[weecounty hibby]

Absolutely spot on and it’s why we should be finding a place in the team for him.
Who would you drop to find a place for him? 6 for 2 against so far. Unbeaten in all competitive games, playing well.......

[flash]

Me too. He's barely played and even in that short time on the pitch you saw with his pass to Mackay what he's capable of.

Scott Allan is the best footballer at the club imo. We'll struggle to find anyone with his cutting edge in the final 3rd.

We all love him but our cutting edge looks pretty sharp right now. The midfield balance is also really good so he will have to be patient.

[jeffers]

Based on his previous 12-18 months of what I've seen

I do think you are going a bit overboard about 1 pass too

Before we knew he had health issues I was on here saying something is off - like his agility has gone and he looks awkward

Unfortunately, I still see a similarity in Allan's physical attributes

Yes, he can still pick a pass but his overall game, IMHO looks miles away

Like everyone, I hoped he could get back to the terrific player he was but I think that looks less and less likley now

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The time period you refer to he was suffering from an as yet undiagnosed life threatening condition, is it any surprise he didn’t look like his previous self. The player himself says he’s the fittest he’s been in years since his condition was diagnosed.

He had maybe 15 mins last Thursday and in just time picked out the pass I’m going overboard about. Imagine what he may have been capable of with longer time on the pitch.

[hibbysam]

The time period you refer to he was suffering from an as yet undiagnosed life threatening condition, is it any surprise he didn’t look like his previous self. The player himself says he’s the fittest he’s been in years since his condition was diagnosed.

He had maybe 15 mins last Thursday and in just time picked out the pass I’m going overboard about. Imagine what he may have been capable of with longer time on the pitch.

He might have picked out another pass, we might though have completely lost the midfield battle, not won as many second balls as we did, and in the end lost 4-1. Who knows. What we do know is that box to box wasn’t our issue, it was our finishing inside the box. We created enough to win 3 games.

[jeffers]

Who would you drop to find a place for him? 6 for 2 against so far. Unbeaten in all competitive games, playing well.......

Newell. It would mean a re-jig admittedly but I just don’t see what others are seeing in him, chat of him dominating the midfield is way off the mark IMO. It’s a pointless argument though, Newell is clearly a Ross favourite as was evidenced last season when he was brought in straight back from injury and despite not playing well went on to be selected for every game.

[FilipinoHibs]

He started at home versus Saint...but when Newell sent off, taken off for tactical reasons.

[weecounty hibby]

Newell. It would mean a re-jig admittedly but I just don’t see what others are seeing in him, chat of him dominating the midfield is way off the mark IMO. It’s a pointless argument though, Newell is clearly a Ross favourite as was evidenced last season when he was brought in straight back from injury and despite not playing well went on to be selected for every game.
So rejig the whole team, a team playing well and winning games, to accommodate Scott who may or may not play well? Mental

[Callum_62]

The time period you refer to he was suffering from an as yet undiagnosed life threatening condition, is it any surprise he didn’t look like his previous self. The player himself says he’s the fittest he’s been in years since his condition was diagnosed.

He had maybe 15 mins last Thursday and in just time picked out the pass I’m going overboard about. Imagine what he may have been capable of with longer time on the pitch.Each to there own but from what I see he's no where near the same player unfortunately

I still hope he comes back and proves me wrong here but he still looks well short

He is given massively leeway from alot of Hibs fans because who he is and obviously what he has went through but taking a step back and putting a Lewis Stevenson mask on him...

Another player would still be getting stick for his first 30 mins against St Coloma

I hope he's just taking time to get it back but it's the lack of agility and speed that really cements my opinion



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[jeffers]

He might have picked out another pass, we might though have completely lost the midfield battle, not won as many second balls as we did, and in the end lost 4-1. Who knows. What we do know is that box to box wasn’t our issue, it was our finishing inside the box. We created enough to win 3 games.

And yet in the time he was on we didn’t lose the midfield battle. Neither of us know.

[hibIBZ]

I'm gutted for him because he has unquestionable talent, but just think it could be time up for him. As has been said, he is probably a high earner, no t sure he fits in anymore with the way we are playing,

[neil7908]

We all love him but our cutting edge looks pretty sharp right now. The midfield balance is also really good so he will have to be patient.

I agree but we also have to recognise that in the league we've played a couple of the weaker teams. Whether we'll be free scoring against Aberdeen, Hearts, Sevco etc remains to be seen.

The Reijka game is a great example. Scott created the clearest chance of the game in the short time he was on the pitch. Imo his vision is a step ahead of anyone else at Hibs, and against quality opposition you can see the kind of impact he can have.

Again, I don't see him displacing any of the current 3 but we have a long season ahead, with big games to come. I think he's a great asset off the bench.

[flash]

I agree but we also have to recognise that in the league we've played a couple of the weaker teams. Whether we'll be free scoring against Aberdeen, Hearts, Sevco etc remains to be seen.

The Reijka game is a great example. Scott created the clearest chance of the game in the short time he was on the pitch. Imo his vision is a step ahead of anyone else at Hibs, and against quality opposition you can see the kind of impact he can have.

Again, I don't see him displacing any of the current 3 but we have a long season ahead, with big games to come. I think he's a great asset off the bench.

Can't argue with that. I don't want him to leave but can see how it might happen.

[jeffers]

Each to there own but from what I see he's no where near the same player unfortunately

I still hope he comes back and proves me wrong here but he still looks well short

He is given massively leeway from alot of Hibs fans because who he is and obviously what he has went through but taking a step back and putting a Lewis Stevenson mask on him...

Another player would still be getting stick for his first 30 mins against St Coloma

I hope he's just taking time to get it back but it's the lack of agility and speed that really cements my opinion



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Similar discussions were had about David Gray last season. Had played in previous seasons while not fully fit, but when he did get fit was written off by many because when he finally got a bit of game time he was rusty. I’ve never played professional football but enough players comment on the difference between being fit and being match fit for me to believe there is something in it.

[gbhibby]

Hot temperatures do have an effect on Heart conditions club are looking at risk to health, do not think people should make assumptions without the facts.

[Smartie]

Based on his previous 12-18 months of what I've seen

I do think you are going a bit overboard about 1 pass too

Before we knew he had health issues I was on here saying something is off - like his agility has gone and he looks awkward

Unfortunately, I still see a similarity in Allan's physical attributes

Yes, he can still pick a pass but his overall game, IMHO looks miles away

Like everyone, I hoped he could get back to the terrific player he was but I think that looks less and less likley now

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That's a bit like how he looks to me tbh (I mean now, rather than prior to his recent health/ injury situation).

I'd wondered whether he'd lost the wee burst of pace he had - I don't think he has, there was a point in the second half the other way where he showed a lovely wee burst to cut inside, away from a County player.

But when it's tight and we're playing under pressure - he doesn't look as capable of moving his limbs as quickly as he once did and as a result his touch (which was previously immaculate under similar condition) looks a bit off.

He also looks a bit chunky to me - as if he's bulked up but lost a bit of nimbleness as a result.

Still no hiding the quality of the weight of pass he has, but there's something not quite right with him imo.

Had a great game against Arsenal though imo, and I'm really not wanting to write him off. I'm really not wanting him to leave, because at the very least he provides us with a deadly threat late in games.

[jeffers]

Hot temperatures do have an effect on Heart conditions club are looking at risk to health, do not think people should make assumptions without the facts.

You could be correct, but at the risk of repeating myself it doesn’t explain why he got so little game time on Sunday.

[matty_f]

There’s been absolutely nothing to suggest Allan is moving on, has there?

Might have been posted already but there are a few rumours about him having broken his ankle, apparently (i haven’t seen them myself).

[Andy74]

You could be correct, but at the risk of repeating myself it doesn’t explain why he got so little game time on Sunday.

Simply because the midfield players that started were doing well.

[weecounty hibby]

There’s been absolutely nothing to suggest Allan is moving on, has there?

Might have been posted already but there are a few rumours about him having broken his ankle, apparently (i haven’t seen them myself).

Now that would be a nightmare. As much as I don't think we should drop anyone just to allow him to play, he could still be an important player for us this season

[Fergus52]

Newell. It would mean a re-jig admittedly but I just don’t see what others are seeing in him, chat of him dominating the midfield is way off the mark IMO. It’s a pointless argument though, Newell is clearly a Ross favourite as was evidenced last season when he was brought in straight back from injury and despite not playing well went on to be selected for every game.

Another poster showed the stats after the Motherwell game that showed that he did exactly that, in least in that match - more touches, passes, chances created, interceptions etc. than any other midfielder on the pitch.

[jeffers]

Simply because the midfield players that started were doing well.

The game was won by half time though. It was a perfect opportunity to bring him on. If he’s a player you have plans to utilise.

[Andy74]

The game was won by half time though. It was a perfect opportunity to bring him on. If he’s a player you have plans to utilise.

That’s not really how it works though is it? It’s not Football Manager.

[jeffers]

Another poster showed the stats after the Motherwell game that showed that he did exactly that, in least in that match - more touches, passes, chances created, interceptions etc. than any other midfielder on the pitch.

And as said at the time I watch a player not their stats. He undoubtedly had a good second half, he wasn’t great in the first.

[hibbysam]

Now that would be a nightmare. As much as I don't think we should drop anyone just to allow him to play, he could still be an important player for us this season

Without doubt. As we keep hearing, he showed last week what he can do coming off the bench when the opposition are knackered. Huge asset in that regard until something changes.

[jeffers]

That’s not really how it works though is it? It’s not Football Manager.

A game is comfortably won, you have an important European game the coming midweek and a chance to give some players a rest. Not sure what that’s got to do with football manager.

[gbhibby]

You could be correct, but at the risk of repeating myself it doesn’t explain why he got so little game time on Sunday.
The season has just started, you may find he will get more game time on Sunday. Scott's role at the club may be as an impact sub largely,especially with the form of the midfield.

[weecounty hibby]

The game was won by half time though. It was a perfect opportunity to bring him on. If he’s a player you have plans to utilise.

Again, you seem to be suggesting that we drop players, sub players, change our set up, change our game plans all to let Scott play? That is mental. If its about getting him match sharp get some games arranged behind closed doors, maybe even get him out on loan again. JR is really building something here with this squad so we should let him get on with it. If it doesn't include Scott then so be it, that's football

[jeffers]

Without doubt. As we keep hearing, he showed last week what he can do coming off the bench when the opposition are knackered. Huge asset in that regard until something changes.

And when he does come on with 10 minutes to go and doesn’t turn the game you’ll have posters coming on saying he’s not sharp. It’s unfair on any player to only give them a few minutes and expect them to work wonders.

[KWJ]

So from a midfield 3 that’s been our strongest area already this season and controlling games, you would not only change personnel, but also move who you’ve said has started the season very well into a deeper position and therefore remove some of his ability to get into the box and score goals like he has done?

Newell has started the season as well as any of our other midfielders, an outstanding player for this club and thankfully he will continue to do so. One of the main reasons we now dominate games, including our European tie last week.

Allan will need to wait his turn, no doubt still a top player but I’m far more comfortable with our team just now than I would be taking one of our midfielders out in the hope that we have 2015 Scott Allan back again.

Umm, no. I'm saying it's an option.

Completely disagree that Newell has started the season as well as the others. Gogic was poor v Motherwell and has lost his spot to JDH who has been great. Newell and him are more similar and I think JDH has done all parts of the game better than Newell in the few games. He's given the ball away more than usual and he left his man for the Rijeka goal. He shouldn't be dropped but it's his jersey that's up for grabs for Allan, Gogic and Campbell to compete for in centre mid.

Anyway, great problems to have. :thumbsup:

[EdinburghHibern]

Sunday was a good chance to get SA on earlier in the 2nd half tbh. The midfield three that started were excellent though. SA could very well be important later in the season for us.

[jeffers]

Again, you seem to be suggesting that we drop players, sub players, change our set up, change our game plans all to let Scott play? That is mental. If its about getting him match sharp get some games arranged behind closed doors, maybe even get him out on loan again. JR is really building something here with this squad so we should let him get on with it. If it doesn't include Scott then so be it, that's football

Mental to you maybe, not to me if I think he’s a better player than the one I’m suggesting he’s dropped for. And isn’t changing our setup exactly what we did when he came on last Thursday ?

What would be mental is letting him go on loan again.

[jeffers]

Umm, no. I'm saying it's an option.

Completely disagree that Newell has started the season as well as the others. Gogic was poor v Motherwell and has lost his spot to JDH who has been great. Newell and him are more similar and I think JDH has done all parts of the game better than Newell in the few games. He's given the ball away more than usual and he left his man for the Rijeka goal. He shouldn't be dropped but it's his jersey that's up for grabs for Allan, Gogic and Campbell to compete for in centre mid.

Anyway, great problems to have. :thumbsup:

My thoughts on Newell’s performance this season tie in with yours. And just so I’m clear I think he has ability, just don’t see his contribution the way others do.

[gbhibby]

And when he does come on with 10 minutes to go and doesn’t turn the game you’ll have posters coming on saying he’s not sharp. It’s unfair on any player to only give them a few minutes and expect them to work wonders.
The club probably knew on Sunday he would not be travelling. I have no doubt he will get more game time. Newell is the substitution I would make in most games as he seems to get knackered after 70 mins. It's all about game management.

[flash]

Mental to you maybe, not to me if I think he’s a better player than the one I’m suggesting he’s dropped for. And isn’t changing our setup exactly what we did when he came on last Thursday ?

What would be mental is letting him go on loan again.

If he has broken his ankle all this will be irrelevant anyway. Really hope there's no truth in it after him battling back from such a serious condition.

[jeffers]

If he has broken his ankle all this will be irrelevant anyway. Really hope there's no truth in it after him battling back from such a serious condition.

On that we are in total agreement!

[EdinburghHibern]

What would be mental is letting him go on loan again.

Not if Magennis and JDH continue to consistently perform. If we have the settled midfield three doing well, then sadly it might be best if SA wages can be freed up for the benefit of improving the squad given all the factors.

[matty_f]

If he has broken his ankle all this will be irrelevant anyway. Really hope there's no truth in it after him battling back from such a serious condition.

Should stress that i have no idea of the quality it the information, I’ve not even seen the tweets quotes to be able to verify or dismiss them, so i wouldn’t take it as gospel (not that you did) - there’s a high likelihood that it’s BS.

[weecounty hibby]

Should stress that i have no idea of the quality it the information, I’ve not even seen the tweets quotes to be able to verify or dismiss them, so i wouldn’t take it as gospel (not that you did) - there’s a high likelihood that it’s BS.

Let's hope so for Scott's and Hibs sakes.

[hibbysam]

And when he does come on with 10 minutes to go and doesn’t turn the game you’ll have posters coming on saying he’s not sharp. It’s unfair on any player to only give them a few minutes and expect them to work wonders.

If he wasn’t travelling then he should have been playing in the colts game against Elgin for me. Our issue last year was not being able to get our ‘B’ team games due to Covid, that’s not an issue this year. Should be no excuses for the club not to have younger players getting game time in bounce games.

Obviously if he’s injured then that would make sense.

[Andy74]

If he wasn’t travelling then he should have been playing in the colts game against Elgin for me. Our issue last year was not being able to get our ‘B’ team games due to Covid, that’s not an issue this year. Should be no excuses for the club not to have younger players getting game time in bounce games.

Obviously if he’s injured then that would make sense.

He’s fit, why would he play in a Colts game with largely kids?

[hibbysam]

Umm, no. I'm saying it's an option.

Completely disagree that Newell has started the season as well as the others. Gogic was poor v Motherwell and has lost his spot to JDH who has been great. Newell and him are more similar and I think JDH has done all parts of the game better than Newell in the few games. He's given the ball away more than usual and he left his man for the Rijeka goal. He shouldn't be dropped but it's his jersey that's up for grabs for Allan, Gogic and Campbell to compete for in centre mid.

Anyway, great problems to have. :thumbsup:

He gives the ball away more than usual? He has far and away a better pass % completion than anyone else in our squad that has played a half decent amount of minutes, he plays more passes than anyone other than Porteous, more key passes and also has an assist already.

He’s made more tackles, more interceptions than all our other midfielders.

He’s probably started this season as effective as I can remember and the reason he will be in the team week in week out. Consistently top drawer.

[hibbysam]

He’s fit, why would he play in a Colts game with largely kids?

Minutes. Better than him sitting in the house twiddling his thumbs and then complaining he wasn’t match fit.

[keep the faith]

I'm convinced Scott Allan has a big part to play for the team this season and would be gutted if he leaves.

Sunday was the perfect game for him to get a good run out and was surprised to see him only get 10 mins.

A joy to watch so let's keep this relationship going. Appreciate we dont need to change the starting line up right now but he will have plenty games as the season progresses. SA is too big a talent to let go. Especially with the relationship he has with the club and fans.

[WhileTheChief..]

I'm not expecting to see much of him in a Hibs strip again. Won't be surprised if he moves on this window.

[Steve20]

Getting rid of Scott Allan would be a massive mistake. Should be playing for us. Can create and unlock defences better than anyone we've got.

We must have some cracking player in mind if we think losing Allan is a good decision.

[KWJ]

He gives the ball away more than usual? He has far and away a better pass % completion than anyone else in our squad that has played a half decent amount of minutes, he plays more passes than anyone other than Porteous, more key passes and also has an assist already.

He’s made more tackles, more interceptions than all our other midfielders.

He’s probably started this season as effective as I can remember and the reason he will be in the team week in week out. Consistently top drawer.

Where can I see these stats? Obviously surprised and that's really interesting. Not saying they are wrong but it's obviously the missed passes that stick in the head more than the triangles between mid and the centre backs.

[hibbysam]

Where can I see these stats? Obviously surprised and that's really interesting. Not saying they are wrong but it's obviously the missed passes that stick in the head more than the triangles between mid and the centre backs.

https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/320/Show/Scotland-Hibernian

That’s just league games, doesn’t give European stats.

[EdinburghHibern]

He gives the ball away more than usual? He has far and away a better pass % completion than anyone else in our squad that has played a half decent amount of minutes, he plays more passes than anyone other than Porteous, more key passes and also has an assist already.

He’s made more tackles, more interceptions than all our other midfielders.

He’s probably started this season as effective as I can remember and the reason he will be in the team week in week out. Consistently top drawer.

Yes,good stats.
I prefer Newell to Gogic in the deep lying role.
Newell is a very important player for us.

[wookie70]

Getting rid of Scott Allan would be a massive mistake. Should be playing for us. Can create and unlock defences better than anyone we've got.

We must have some cracking player in mind if we think losing Allan is a good decision.

Not sure I agree, I don't see him as a starter or even competing to be a starter. He is a decent option off the bench though but it would depend how much he is earning to see if that made sense in terms of our budget

[Vault Boy]

I love Scott Allan. That's all I really want to say.

[MWHIBBIES]

Absolutely spot on and it’s why we should be finding a place in the team for him.

Great player but he should find his own place, like Magennis has. Kyle has earned that attacking midfield role so far.

[Shrekko]

You could be correct, but at the risk of repeating myself it doesn’t explain why he got so little game time on Sunday.

I was also a bit surprised but we had a cast iron grip on the game and can see why JR wanted it to stay like that … remember a couple of games last season that became a bit frantic when we let teams back in.

One thing I think you can say is that Jack Ross has generally done everything to get Scott Allan involved since he came. He started virtually every game when he was fit (and not playing his best) and he got him in quite quickly when he recovered from his health issue before he went out on loan. This season he started our first competitive game which obviously says something and was unlucky we had to make a sub after the sending off … but it was the right move and Magennis has taken his chance.

At the moment there is no reason whatsoever to change our midfield but things can change. Hopefully Scott can take any chances that come his way and I think we’d all like him to stay. I would say however that some people have extremely romantic views on him that completely ignore the downside’s to his game as if they don’t matter at all. I’d like to see him play but he’s really going to need to perform at his best if he does.

[StockholmHibs]

I love Scott Allan. That's all I really want to say.

Aye ok mate each to there own😆😆😆

Scott should be playing every week if possible or moved on.
Can't have your top wage earner not contributing. Makes no sense.Our funds are limited.

[Blaster]

I too thought Allan could have come on at half time on Sunday but we are back to only allowed 3 subs. Maybe if McGregor didn’t have to come on for Hanlon he may have come on earlier than he did

[hibbysam]

Aye ok mate each to there own😆😆😆

Scott should be playing every week if possible or moved on.
Can't have your top wage earner not contributing. Makes no sense.Our funds are limited.

That would be fine if we were going to bring in an automatic starter for the same money, but reality is we would just use his wage to bring in a couple of other squad players. So it wouldn’t make any difference.

Only way he should be moved on is if he wants to go, and if someone is going to pay for him.

[Keith_M]

I honestly don't think Allan fits in to Ross' ideal of an 'all round player'.

He has issues with fitness and his style of play doesn't really include defending.

That doesn't mean that I don't rate Allan, as I think he's a special player that can provide moments of magic (as he proved against Arsenal).

I'd personally have in the team, but I'm not the manager.

[lord bunberry]

There’s no way a player of Scott Allan’s quality should be allowed to leave. He might not be starting right now but his time will come.

[Since452]

Sunday against Kilmarnock would be the perfect game to play Scott and rest some of the guys who play tonight. We'll see how in pans out.

[KeithTheHibby]

I guess we will find out in due course why he didn't travel to Croatia.

He has not had a lot of luck this season. Hooked tactically after 30 mins in the European game did him no favours as he has not been able to get back in to the team. Magennis has looked quality and there is no doubting Doyle-Hayes is an upgrade on Irvine. Newell is not the same type of player as Allan so unlikely the former will make way for him. Murphy and Boyle when fit are stick-ons to play each week.

in saying all this I would be gutted if Hibs decided to move Allan on as there are games when his talent would improve the team - you only have to look at certain games last season after he left on loan - the cup final being the obvious one.

If Allan expresses a desire to move on then that's slightly different - you have to trust the club to make the right decision by the player.
It's a long season, there is no way the current midfield trio are going to keep the same consistency each week so having a player like Allan on the bench or in your team surely improves the situation.

[jeffers]

I honestly don't think Allan fits in to Ross' ideal of an 'all round player'.

He has issues with fitness and his style of play doesn't really include defending.

That doesn't mean that I don't rate Allan, as I think he's a special player that can provide moments of magic (as he proved against Arsenal).

I'd personally have in the team, but I'm not the manager.

Thats been my thoughts for a while now. I argued when he went on loan that I didn’t think once he had his own players in that Ross would play him. I fully expect him to be away next summer if not before. :no way:

[Smartie]

I was also a bit surprised but we had a cast iron grip on the game and can see why JR wanted it to stay like that … remember a couple of games last season that became a bit frantic when we let teams back in.

One thing I think you can say is that Jack Ross has generally done everything to get Scott Allan involved since he came. He started virtually every game when he was fit (and not playing his best) and he got him in quite quickly when he recovered from his health issue before he went out on loan. This season he started our first competitive game which obviously says something and was unlucky we had to make a sub after the sending off … but it was the right move and Magennis has taken his chance.

At the moment there is no reason whatsoever to change our midfield but things can change. Hopefully Scott can take any chances that come his way and I think we’d all like him to stay. I would say however that some people have extremely romantic views on him that completely ignore the downside’s to his game as if they don’t matter at all. I’d like to see him play but he’s really going to need to perform at his best if he does.

I agree that Jack Ross appears to have done everything possible to accommodate Scott Allan and get the best out of him.

As much as we all love Scott and recognise what he brings to the team, it's hard to make a case for dropping any of the current midfield three for anyone else.

That might change, and as games go on we might need what the likes of either Scott Allan or Gogic bring to the table.

[Peevemor]

I don't think that either of Scott's conditions will be helped by playing & training in intense heat but with the combination of the 2, even though it may not be risky as such, I doubt he'd be anywhere near 100%

In saying that, I'm no expert and could well be talking guff - but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the case.

[Greenio]

Some interesting views.

Fair to say SA is a bif fan favourite regardless of if you think he should be in the starting 11 or part of the squad waiting for his chance to break back into a team flying atm.

One thing I dont get is wanting to move him on because he's one of the higher paid players and 'we need the funds'.

I trust the bean counters have done their jobs well enough that we're not hanging to life based off Scott's pay check.

Pay him what his contract says and dont begrudge him ot or try to pinch pennies and turf him out so you can spend it on something else

[Vault Boy]

I don't think that either of Scott's conditions will be helped by playing & training in intense heat but with the combination of the 2, even though it may not be risky as such, I doubt he'd be anywhere near 100%

In saying that, I'm no expert and could well be talking guff - but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the case.

I think that's quite a reasonable point. Scott did mention that one of the main methods of managing his condition is staying over hydrated, which becomes much harder to do in the sweltering heat.

[ahibby]

Could be a continuing injury issue?

Not travelling doesn’t yet indicate that he’s leaving.[/QUOTE]

Hibs Buzz this week reported no new injury issues in squad Cadden in light training back to training with team in two weeks. Likely Scott not going because of heat but going forward unlikely to remain with us because he wont be a starter and wants to be, thats only my take on things.

[Fergus52]

And as said at the time I watch a player not their stats. He undoubtedly had a good second half, he wasn’t great in the first.

That's all very well but it's been scientifically proven that all sports fans are full of unconscious biases when watching games, that come through even when they are trying to be objective. Most folk are guilty to some degree of mainly just noticing good things that a certain player will do, and only really noticing bad things in others.

Stats help cut through those biases with a bit of objectivity, the eye test can only go so far. Every professional club in the world now use stats and advanced metrics to help with their scouting. Some of the biggest have even set up their own companies to track every top league match in Europe in order to specifically monitor particular metrics that they think will fit with their team's style of play.

[Shrekko]

Thats been my thoughts for a while now. I argued when he went on loan that I didn’t think once he had his own players in that Ross would play him. I fully expect him to be away next summer if not before. :no way:

JR has brought in a slew of midfielders since he came but still started SA in the first proper game of the season.

Been a few folk saying he’s not Ross’s type of player but the actual evidence shows he’s generally picked him whenever possible.

He may end up leaving but if it’s lack of game time it’ll just be because others are performing well not because the manager doesn’t like him - he clearly does from a professional and personal level. Even when he was out with his illness he was trusted to do scouting of other teams etc.

It’s one thing being a fan favourite but I’m amazed if anyone would genuinely want to swap out Newell, JDH or Magennis at the moment. A long season though and having guys like Allan and Gogic waiting in the wings is a great thing to have.

[jeffers]

That's all very well but it's been scientifically proven that all sports fans are full of unconscious biases when watching games, that come through even when they are trying to be objective. Most folk are guilty to some degree of mainly just noticing good things that a certain player will do, and only really noticing bad things in others.

Stats help cut through those biases with a bit of objectivity, the eye test can only go so far. Every professional club in the world now use stats and advanced metrics to help with their scouting. Some of the biggest have even set up their own companies to track every top league match in Europe in order to specifically monitor particular metrics that they think will fit with their team's style of play.

I don’t disagree with that and fully agree I’m guilty as charged for seeing the positives in Scott Allan’s game and absolutely at times the negatives in Joe Newell’s. Stats are useful of course but equally I wouldn’t be heavily reliant on all of them. When I watch Newell for example a lot of his passes, while admittedly finding team mates are backwards/sideways. I see a lot of the debate I have over him similar to the ones I had over McGeouch and I really don’t want to go there again :greengrin

[jeffers]

JR has brought in a slew of midfielders since he came but still started SA in the first proper game of the season.

Been a few folk saying he’s not Ross’s type of player but the actual evidence shows he’s generally picked him whenever possible.

He may end up leaving but if it’s lack of game time it’ll just be because others are performing well not because the manager doesn’t like him - he clearly does from a professional and personal level. Even when he was out with his illness he was trusted to do scouting of other teams etc.

It’s one thing being a fan favourite but I’m amazed if anyone would genuinely want to swap out Newell, JDH or Magennis at the moment. A long season though and having guys like Allan and Gogic waiting in the wings is a great thing to have.

He did initially, but it’s a feeling I can’t shake that he’s going to figure less and less as time goes on. I don’t think it’s a case of Ross not liking him, more a case of not fully trusting him - similar to SDG last season. I suppose Sunday, especially if we are successful tonight, will be a good indicator of where Ross actually sees him (assuming of course he’s not actually injured.)

[Brightside]

Based on what ? I don’t see how he’s had enough game time for any Hibs fan to come to that conclusion. What I have however seen is him come on last week and play a fantastic pass, a pass few if any players in our team could pick out, that should have resulted in us getting the winning goal.

Who is he going to replace in that midfield 3 right now. nobody. KM is playing in his role and whilst he may not have the range of passing he does bring more the team than Scott Allan does.

[CMurdoch]

I don't think that either of Scott's conditions will be helped by playing & training in intense heat but with the combination of the 2, even though it may not be risky as such, I doubt he'd be anywhere near 100%

In saying that, I'm no expert and could well be talking guff - but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the case.

That is a very good point which I hadn't considered and ties in with not telling us what it was on The Buzz broadcast.
Did Scott go to Andorra?
If he did, hydration issues possibly showed up in his monitored stats or medical team assessment.
Interesting to see if he plays at the weekend. If so it would suggest you were right.

[jeffers]

That is a very good point which I hadn't considered and ties in with not telling us what it was on The Buzz broadcast.
Did Scott go to Andorra?
If he did, hydration issues possibly showed up in his monitored stats or medical team assessment.
Interesting to see if he plays at the weekend. If so it would suggest you were right.

I thought I read he missed Andorra due to a knock.

[hibbysam]

I don’t disagree with that and fully agree I’m guilty as charged for seeing the positives in Scott Allan’s game and absolutely at times the negatives in Joe Newell’s. Stats are useful of course but equally I wouldn’t be heavily reliant on all of them. When I watch Newell for example a lot of his passes, while admittedly finding team mates are backwards/sideways. I see a lot of the debate I have over him similar to the ones I had over McGeouch and I really don’t want to go there again :greengrin

Which is where the key passes metric comes in and shows he’s also the most effective forward passer in our team as well as just keeping the ball.

[Greenworld]

Some interesting views.

Fair to say SA is a bif fan favourite regardless of if you think he should be in the starting 11 or part of the squad waiting for his chance to break back into a team flying atm.

One thing I dont get is wanting to move him on because he's one of the higher paid players and 'we need the funds'.

I trust the bean counters have done their jobs well enough that we're not hanging to life based off Scott's pay check.

Pay him what his contract says and dont begrudge him ot or try to pinch pennies and turf him out so you can spend it on something elseIts Football Greenio ,we dont see him day in day out in training.
Its a guessing game but if Scott wants regular game time and we cant offer it maybe it suits all to move on.
Who knows but time will tell.

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[AlbertK86]

May have something to do with the heat there and managing his condition which I believe is all about the hydration of his body. Better safe than sorry.

Sounds a sensible answer [emoji106]


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[ahibby]

He did initially, but it’s a feeling I can’t shake that he’s going to figure less and less as time goes on. I don’t think it’s a case of Ross not liking him, more a case of not fully trusting him - similar to SDG last season. I suppose Sunday, especially if we are successful tonight, will be a good indicator of where Ross actually sees him (assuming of course he’s not actually injured.)

Hibs Buzz reports no injuries other than those long termers we know about. Is likely to be the hydration thing with Scotts condition. We can only therefore draw up our own conclusions based on what we think we know, regarding what he and Hibs need going forward.

[Tyler Durden]

I don’t disagree with that and fully agree I’m guilty as charged for seeing the positives in Scott Allan’s game and absolutely at times the negatives in Joe Newell’s. Stats are useful of course but equally I wouldn’t be heavily reliant on all of them. When I watch Newell for example a lot of his passes, while admittedly finding team mates are backwards/sideways. I see a lot of the debate I have over him similar to the ones I had over McGeouch and I really don’t want to go there again :greengrin

If you were watching the player, surely you saw Newell's pass to Nisbet for our 2nd goal at Motherwell?

Or his pass to put Doidge in on goal at 3-0 in the first half on Sunday? Or him hitting the byeline in the 2nd half on Sunday and cutting back for Doidge, who had a shot cleared near off the line.

Plenty of great passes leading to chances, if you're keen to ignore all the other ones that must be sideways or back apparently. Newell has been great in this new central 3.

[jeffers]

If you were watching the player, surely you saw Newell's pass to Nisbet for our 2nd goal at Motherwell?

Or his pass to put Doidge in on goal at 3-0 in the first half on Sunday? Or him hitting the byeline in the 2nd half on Sunday and cutting back for Doidge, who had a shot cleared near off the line.

Plenty of great passes leading to chances, if you're keen to ignore all the other ones that must be sideways or back apparently. Newell has been great in this new central 3.

Aye I did, I also saw him pass straight to the opposition a few times in the first half of the game v Motherwell and generally not play particularly well. The second half I’ve already said I thought he was much better. I also watched him let the Rijeka player run off him as if he wasn’t there last Thursday leading to their goal…..

I’m not disputing he’s done some excellent things, plenty of them I’m not so sure.

[gbhibby]

I don't think that either of Scott's conditions will be helped by playing & training in intense heat but with the combination of the 2, even though it may not be risky as such, I doubt he'd be anywhere near 100%

In saying that, I'm no expert and could well be talking guff - but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the case.
Said that earlier. Not an expert but in general heat is not good for people with heart conditions.
There are experts at the club who will be managing Scott's condition I think we have a game changer in Scott Allan but it may be from the bench from now on.

[ahibby]

If you were watching the player, surely you saw Newell's pass to Nisbet for our 2nd goal at Motherwell?

Or his pass to put Doidge in on goal at 3-0 in the first half on Sunday? Or him hitting the byeline in the 2nd half on Sunday and cutting back for Doidge, who had a shot cleared near off the line.

Plenty of great passes leading to chances, if you're keen to ignore all the other ones that must be sideways or back apparently. Newell has been great in this new central 3.

Yes he is one of our top players and like all our top players he will be required to play the full 90 whenever necessary. Therefore tiredness kicks in like it does with all first choice mids. Having listened or read posts from his critics I looked closer at his game and did see then the negatives they have pointed out, but to the point of not looking and considering the positives you point out. After considering those negatives and positives of his play I understand why he is still a JR first pick.

[hibbysam]

Said that earlier. Not an expert but in general heat is not good for people with heart conditions.
There are experts at the club who will be managing Scott's condition I think we have a game changer in Scott Allan but it may be from the bench from now on.

And if that’s the case it’s the reason I’m surprised he never played for the Colts team the other night to get a game under his belt, in fairy calm conditions with no pressure, just a case of getting a run out when the first team we’re about to fly out to Croatia. He won’t be doing any team training as the whole team are away so it’s only going to set him back further.

[KWJ]

https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/320/Show/Scotland-Hibernian

That’s just league games, doesn’t give European stats.

Interesting stuff. Shame they don't do a bit more of the percentages but it definitely shows Newell in a good light.

As for Allan, hopefully he's involved in the Kilmarnock game as we rest some of the Rijeka heroes for the Bohemians game :cheers::cb

[gbhibby]

And if that’s the case it’s the reason I’m surprised he never played for the Colts team the other night to get a game under his belt, in fairy calm conditions with no pressure, just a case of getting a run out when the first team we’re about to fly out to Croatia. He won’t be doing any team training as the whole team are away so it’s only going to set him back further.
Sometimes there is a risk of picking injuries in these games against lower level opposition. The players who have not travelled will probably be doing full sessions in training.
There may also be an extra insurance premium for Scott travelling. As the club have not said anything we should not jump to conclusions.

[Skol]

Scott is a fabulous player and arguably the best player we have. However if you play Scott you have to accept there are aspects of his game which are not as good as his attacking play and cover for those within the team set up. Sadly this means with the options we have in midfield, Scott will currently only be on the bench.

I dont see this as being an Allan v Newell debate as they play different roles in the team. Its Allan or Magennis. You could in theory play Allan and Magennis takes the Newell role, but I dont think that would get the best from Magennis.

[Brightside]

You cannot be the best player we have if there is only one side to your game.

[hibbysam]

Sometimes there is a risk of picking injuries in these games against lower level opposition. The players who have not travelled will probably be doing full sessions in training.
There may also be an extra insurance premium for Scott travelling. As the club have not said anything we should not jump to conclusions.

The players who haven’t travelled are all long term absentees, Cadden just coming back, Mackie not training yet etc. Won’t be much getting done at HTC other than individual programmes.

I don’t see anything wrong with people speculating and wondering what is/isn’t going on. No one is jumping to any conclusions, merely discussing a players future and why he currently never travelled to an away game.

[hibbysam]

Scott is a fabulous player and arguably the best player we have. However if you play Scott you have to accept there are aspects of his game which are not as good as his attacking play and cover for those within the team set up. Sadly this means with the options we have in midfield, Scott will currently only be on the bench.

I dont see this as being an Allan v Newell debate as they play different roles in the team. Its Allan or Magennis. You could in theory play Allan and Magennis takes the Newell role, but I dont think that would get the best from Magennis.

Agree with all of that.

[jeffers]

You cannot be the best player we have if there is only one side to your game.

So who is our best player ?

[Skol]

You cannot be the best player we have if there is only one side to your game.

I did say arguably......

maybe I should also have said best attacking player in which case its maybe inarguable, but he is defo in the top 2 with Boyle

[jeffers]

I did say arguably......

maybe I should also have said best attacking player in which case its maybe inarguable, but he is defo in the top 2 with Boyle


I think it’s a stupid argument anyway. He’s an attacking midfielder, one of the finest I’ve seen in a Hibs jersey. But rather than focus on the positives he brings to the team some would rather look for the negatives. When he was playing in the Championship or his spell under Lennon I don’t remember there being an issue that he only had “one side to his game”.

[KWJ]

You cannot be the best player we have if there is only one side to your game.

Latapy?

[jeffers]

Latapy?

Or Riordan. Or the guy in my avatar. I hate to think what comments he’d get on here if he was playing for us.

[EdinburghHibern]

You cannot be the best player we have if there is only one side to your game.

Riordan?

[flash]

Or Riordan. Or the guy in my avatar. I hate to think what comments he’d get on here if he was playing for us.

My boyhood hero.

[Kato]

Latapy?I dont think that describes Latapy. Great at winning the ball back, good out for defenders along with the obvious attacking prowess.

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[jeffers]

My boyhood hero.

Mine too and probably my favourite Hibs player of all time. Back then he was still criticised for being lazy, but what a player. I realise it’s a team game, but I’d far rather watch a player like him try something that may not come off, a bit like Scott Allan. That’s why I go to see football.

[Brightside]

So who is our best player ?

I dont think we have a best player tbh. We have a great unit and squad and that had been seen with the performances on the park. We aren't reliant as much on individuals as we were in the past. Maybe thats what Jack Ross is taking us to....and i'm all for it.

[EdinburghHibern]

I dont think we have a best player tbh. We have a great unit and squad and that had been seen with the performances on the park. We aren't reliant as much on individuals as we were in the past. Maybe thats what Jack Ross is taking us to....and i'm all for it.

I think that is a good sign for the season ahead tbh having a strong unit rather than individuals.
Hopefully it will be a great season.

[BSEJVT]

Sunday was the perfect game for him to get a good run out and was surprised to see him only get 10 mins.

If this was the middle of January and we had had a heavy run of fixtures lasting 5-6 months I would have been surprised too, however we were 4 competitive games in the midfield that played were doing really well and need minutes to get to top match fitness

No surprise at all to me

[Brightside]

I think it’s a stupid argument anyway. He’s an attacking midfielder, one of the finest I’ve seen in a Hibs jersey. But rather than focus on the positives he brings to the team some would rather look for the negatives. When he was playing in the Championship or his spell under Lennon I don’t remember there being an issue that he only had “one side to his game”.

Its not being negative to point out that another player can bring more overall to the first 11 and thats why he's on the bench. If we can keep KM fit and he plays out of his skin for 75 mins, then i'd love to still have Scott Allan to bring on. Thats the perfect solution for me.....its just about if Scott Allan would be happy with that.

[gbhibby]

The players who haven’t travelled are all long term absentees, Cadden just coming back, Mackie not training yet etc. Won’t be much getting done at HTC other than individual programmes.

I don’t see anything wrong with people speculating and wondering what is/isn’t going on. No one is jumping to any conclusions, merely discussing a players future and why he currently never travelled to an away game.
There is more than first team players at HTC.

[loanheadhibby]

Scott Allan of 24 months ago, sure

Scott Allan of now? Highly debateable

Scott Allan was a terrific talent but he's no where near the levels he was at before

Nothing to do with Jack Ross or Scottish football



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Based on what? Have you seen Scott Allan in training recently? You caught him playing any games?

The guy can’t perform if he’s not selected. I’d keep him cos he’s got that bit of magic that no one else in our squad has.

[hibbysam]

There is more than first team players at HTC.

Exactly, the boys that played in that game the other night. They’ll have had their rest day as well on Wednesday I’d presume and be back in today. The fact they are so young, I’m not sure just how intense their training will be though, in comparison to Allan getting ready for a game on Sunday.

[jeffers]

Its not being negative to point out that another player can bring more overall to the first 11 and thats why he's on the bench. If we can keep KM fit and he plays out of his skin for 75 mins, then i'd love to still have Scott Allan to bring on. Thats the perfect solution for me.....its just about if Scott Allan would be happy with that.

I suppose that’s about the manager and what type of team he wants/the style of football he wants to play. Both Lennon and Stubbs before him found a place for Scott Allan in their sides. As for him being happy with being a bit part player history would suggest not, and as I said earlier you won’t get the best out of him (or many players for that matter) with the odd 15 minutes or so.

[BlackSheep]

For all we know Scott’s heart condition may not be suitable for flying or extended time in the heat while exercising.

Don’t think we have anything to worry about.

[Since452]

I dont think we have a best player tbh. We have a great unit and squad and that had been seen with the performances on the park. We aren't reliant as much on individuals as we were in the past. Maybe thats what Jack Ross is taking us to....and i'm all for it.

Totally agree. In the past we've been a team of individuals, or at least a team who rely on one or two individuals. I think this side looks more of a well balanced, well coached unit and with players who are of the required standard. That makes us a very dangerous proposition in Scotland.

[loanheadhibby]

I honestly don't think Allan fits in to Ross' ideal of an 'all round player'.

He has issues with fitness and his style of play doesn't really include defending.

That doesn't mean that I don't rate Allan, as I think he's a special player that can provide moments of magic (as he proved against Arsenal).

I'd personally have in the team, but I'm not the manager.

I tend to think this could be the reason. Maybe JR does not fancy him. I’d have him in team, playing just behind Doidge/Nisbet.

We know his limitations defensively but do we Rly want him tracking back/slide tackling? That’s for Gogic/Newell.

Let Scott do what he is good at, finding pockets of space, creating chances & scoring the odd goal.

Let him and Magennis fight it out over the season.

[Unseen work]

Really odd he’s not travelled.

May have an injury and I saw one of the posters mentioned him as part of the deal for McCart.

Personally I’d be gutted if he left as he’s such a good player and can offer a lot, the issue he’s got at the moment is we’re playing brilliantly, especially in the middle of the pitch.

Magennis has his position at the moment and the both play it very differently.

Allan - A lot of risk with his passing so often gives it away but when it comes off it’s special drops. His last full season showed he’s capable of not only assists but a good goals return. He drops into little pockets which can be effective but also can make it easy to mark him out of a game and he’s not great off the ball.

Magennis - Rarely loses possession and it more short and sharp passing them move again to get on it than high risk. He runs in behind too which is massively important in the current formation and supports the striker, 2 goals already that are striker type goals. He is very effective off the ball and wins in back high up the pitch for us and stops others getting on the ball deep.

[hibsquaker]

I'm sick of the Scott Allan love in. Yes on his day such as that great 4 nil Rangers win he justifies inclusion but not now. We can't accommodate a luxury player who can play a killer pass one in 10 if we want regular top 3. Often he's not on the same wavelength as the rest of the players and his overall play means it is like playing a man down in midfield. 5 pages is not necessary. Please let's stop this Scott Allan love in. He's a fringe player now.

[jeffers]

I'm sick of the Scott Allan love in. Yes on his day such as that great 4 nil Rangers win he justifies inclusion but not now. We can't accommodate a luxury player who can play a killer pass one in 10 if we want regular top 3. Often he's not on the same wavelength as the rest of the players and his overall play means it is like playing a man down in midfield. 5 pages is not necessary. Please let's stop this Scott Allan love in. He's a fringe player now.

Simple solution then, don’t read the thread.

[hibbysam]

I'm sick of the Scott Allan love in. Yes on his day such as that great 4 nil Rangers win he justifies inclusion but not now. We can't accommodate a luxury player who can play a killer pass one in 10 if we want regular top 3. Often he's not on the same wavelength as the rest of the players and his overall play means it is like playing a man down in midfield. 5 pages is not necessary. Please let's stop this Scott Allan love in. He's a fringe player now.

I’m not sick of a love in for a player that’s given us so many top memories over the last 7 years, he deserves all the love he gets and I’ll never slate him. Just pragmatic enough to understand we have found a midfield three that works and compliments each other and he’ll need to make do with the time he has now, and take his chances when he gets them.

[Hibiza]

King Scottie

[Brightside]

I think its a good debate tbh. Plenty people would happily have a luxury player in the squad to see those moments of brilliance. I just dont think we can do that and continue to progress. :aok: There was plenty great football without him on the pitch.

[660]

I'm sick of the Scott Allan love in. Yes on his day such as that great 4 nil Rangers win he justifies inclusion but not now. We can't accommodate a luxury player who can play a killer pass one in 10 if we want regular top 3. Often he's not on the same wavelength as the rest of the players and his overall play means it is like playing a man down in midfield. 5 pages is not necessary. Please let's stop this Scott Allan love in. He's a fringe player now.

I actually agree. Apart from 6 months under Lennon I don’t think he’s been that great.

[Callum_62]

Based on what? Have you seen Scott Allan in training recently? You caught him playing any games?

The guy can’t perform if he’s not selected. I’d keep him cos he’s got that bit of magic that no one else in our squad has.As I've said many times above, he looks to have the same physical limitations as I noticed before his condition was known

There's being match sharp and there's simply losing your agility

For me, in the granted, limited appearances he looks no more agile than previously

He still plays the odd great pass but he loses the ball far more then ever by being caught in possession or simply failing to control the ball in tight areas

Its a shame for him (and ofcourse us) but it's my honest assessment taking away all personal feelings on what Scott Allan is and was

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[hibsquaker]

Some on here are blinkered. There is no room for Sentiment. Luxury players are almost impossible to accommodate in modern football. Ross gets this. Let's bring back David Gray for the memories!

Some have forgotten his lack of Sentiment for Hibs when Rangers came calling. Was a decent player. Not anymore lets move on.

[Skol]

The goal Scot scored against Hearts at the FF end a few years back is the kind of magic you would pay money to watch

[hibbysam]

I actually agree. Apart from 6 months under Lennon I don’t think he’s been that great.

He was far and away our best player in the championship, his last full season he had 10 goals and 11 assists (19/20 season).

[jeffers]

I actually agree. Apart from 6 months under Lennon I don’t think he’s been that great.

I take it you never saw him when Ross first arrived ? Or his season with us in the Championship where he was voted the best player in the league ?

Fair enough if folk don’t think he’s currently at his former levels, but to dismiss the spells I’m referring to….

[hibsquaker]

The goal Scot scored against Hearts at the FF end a few years back is the kind of magic you would pay money to watch

I pay money to watch Hibs win, not lose or draw most games with the occasional Scott Allan brilliant pass. Hibs cannot accommodate him if they want to win the majority of games.

[jeffers]

I pay money to watch Hibs win, not lose or draw most games with the occasional Scott Allan brilliant pass. Hibs cannot accommodate him if they want to win the majority of games.

Yet under Stubbs and Lennon and a decent number of games when Ross arrived we did win a lot of games, with him contributing heavily with goals and assists.

[SHODAN]

Yet under Stubbs and Lennon and a decent number of games when Ross arrived we did win a lot of games, with him contributing heavily with goals and assists.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42842296

Allan's first game after he came back the first time and he was rampant.

More recently, he was great against Arsenal.

[Centre Hawf]

A lot of hot air in this thread over nothing I think. He isn't in Croatia with the squad due to some sort of complications with the insurance due to his heart condition and the heat over there I believe. Don't know the ins and outs but it's apparently the same reason he didn't travel to Andorra (despite the ankle knock).

Scotty will have a place at Hibs and he makes an excellent addition to the squad and will know to bide his time for a chance to show his worth and I can't wait to see it.

[jeffers]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42842296

Allan's first game after he came back the first time and he was rampant.

More recently, he was great against Arsenal.

I remember that Huns game well. And the fact that he was great only a few weeks ago is telling IMO, albeit may have been a friendly.

[660]

He seems to have a tendency to go missing for months, play a nice through ball in one game and people talk about him as if he’s Zidane. He’s been decent at times but I don’t get the love in about him on here. It’s been over a year since it was obvious he’s not up to playing week in/week out for hibs but people still talk about him as if he should be first name on the team sheet. I find it bizarre.

[hibsquaker]

He seems to have a tendency to go missing for months, play a nice through ball in one game and people talk about him as if he’s Zidane. He’s been decent at times but I don’t get the love in about him on here. It’s been over a year since it was obvious he’s not up to playing week in/week out for hibs but people still talk about him as if he should be first name on the team sheet. I find it bizarre.

This

[Since90+2]

He seems to have a tendency to go missing for months, play a nice through ball in one game and people talk about him as if he’s Zidane. He’s been decent at times but I don’t get the love in about him on here. It’s been over a year since it was obvious he’s not up to playing week in/week out for hibs but people still talk about him as if he should be first name on the team sheet. I find it bizarre.

The other argument could be he was on the park for about 20 minutes against Rijeka and played the best pass of the game which should have resulted in a goal and us taking a leave to Croatia. Not many players have his ability.

[Stuart93]

He seems to have a tendency to go missing for months, play a nice through ball in one game and people talk about him as if he’s Zidane. He’s been decent at times but I don’t get the love in about him on here. It’s been over a year since it was obvious he’s not up to playing week in/week out for hibs but people still talk about him as if he should be first name on the team sheet. I find it bizarre.

Aye kind of where I’m at. Feel sorry for him as it’s no fault of his own really but requesting him to be reinstated into the starting 11, a winning one at that, is quite bizarre.

I’m of the opinion that there is a place for him in the squad most likely for late cameos when we’re struggling to break a team down but beyond that I’m not so sure there’s a place for him certainly not in the starting 11 for me

[hibsquaker]

The other argument could be he was on the park for about 20 minutes against Rijeka and played the best pass of the game which should have resulted in a goal and us taking a leave to Croatia. Not many players have his ability.

On another day he loses the ball in a tight spot, Rijeka go up the pitch, score and we're travelling to Croatia 2 one down.

[jeffers]

On another day he loses the ball in a tight spot, Rijeka go up the pitch, score and we're travelling to Croatia 2 one down.

Aye and if my auntie had baws.

[Since90+2]

On another day he loses the ball in a tight spot, Rijeka go up the pitch, score and we're travelling to Croatia 2 one down.

What a ridiculous statement.

[Centre Hawf]

On another day he loses the ball in a tight spot, Rijeka go up the pitch, score and we're travelling to Croatia 2 one down.

But none of that happened?

[Pagan Hibernia]

Love Scott Allan. Will be a sad day when he leaves us for the third and final time.

[hibsquaker]

What a ridiculous statement.

Not at all. You've highlighted the good to Scott Allan. You've got to also see the bad. Like I said earlier blinkered. Deluded folk on here.

[hibsquaker]

But none of that happened?

I know. On another day... .

[Centre Hawf]

Not at all. You've highlighted the good to Scott Allan. You've got to also see the bad. Like I said earlier blinkered. Deluded folk on here.

He highlighted the tangible good, you've highlighted a hypothetical bad. Quite a stark difference in the two.

[jeffers]

He highlighted the tangible good, you've highlighted a hypothetical bad. Quite a stark difference in the two.

I think the fact he brought up the proposed move to the Huns says a lot. Some have never forgiven Scott Allan for that.

[loanheadhibby]

I actually agree. Apart from 6 months under Lennon I don’t think he’s been that great.

I think he has more than that to offer.

I remember our 1st league game against St Mirren when Hecky was the manager. We toiled the whole game but he made the difference late on. He was the only player that day that had the magic to unlock the door.

I’d give him more game time to get him up to speed.

If we are playing Thursday/Sunday, he’s worth keeping.

[Rumble de Thump]

On another day he loses the ball in a tight spot, Rijeka go up the pitch, score and we're travelling to Croatia 2 one down.

Why would he have given the ball away when he could have scored an own goal and got sent off?

[hibsquaker]

I think the fact he brought up the proposed move to the Huns says a lot. Some have never forgiven Scott Allan for that.

Absolutely not I have no beef with that.

I see this every week in youth football where the coaches son has to play and in his favourite position. The kid is talented occasionally. 1 in 10 free kicks, the odd great strike but 90% of the time the team suffers because of his limitations and would be better without him and would be stronger. I've seen this for years. If you're deciding on a club for your boy make sure the coaches son is a team player and one of the best players otherwise go elsewhere!

Anyway I digress with a parallel.. let's continue the love in.. .

[Wee Effen Bee]

Not at all. You've highlighted the good to Scott Allan. You've got to also see the bad. Like I said earlier blinkered. Deluded folk on here.

Blinkered delusional folk who highlighted a great piece of play which actually happened or you who completely made up a scenario?

[MWHIBBIES]

He was far and away our best player in the championship, his last full season he had 10 goals and 11 assists (19/20 season).

Don't know what planet people are on thinking Allan hasn't been basically great for Hibs every time he's been playing consistently. Quality in the champ, Quality under Lennon, Quality in 19/20.

[jeffers]

Absolutely not I have no beef with that.

I see this every week in youth football where the coaches son has to play and in his favourite position. The kid is talented occasionally. 1 in 10 free kicks, the odd great strike but 90% of the time the team suffers because of his limitations and would be better without him and would be stronger. I've seen this for years. If you're deciding on a club for your boy make sure the coaches son is a team player and one of the best players otherwise go elsewhere!

Anyway I digress with a parallel.. let's continue the love in.. .

Then why mention it ?

Folk love to talk about stats on here. I’d love to know how many times we’ve actually lost a goal because Scott Allan misplaced a pass. But the whole crux of this debate/argument is whether you’d rather play a supremely talented player, limitations and all, or a more rounded one who doesn’t have as much ability……

[Callum_62]

Then why mention it ?

Folk love to talk about stats on here. I’d love to know how many times we’ve actually lost a goal because Scott Allan misplaced a pass. But the whole crux of this debate/argument is whether you’d rather play a supremely talented player, limitations and all, or a more rounded one who doesn’t have as much ability……The debate though is around a few things

1. Is Scott's talent as effective as it used to be?
2. Does his inclusion help the team as a whole or hinder it

You obviously think Scott talent outweighs his off the ball challenges

I used to agree on that but not anymore

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[hibsquaker]

Then why mention it ?

Folk love to talk about stats on here. I’d love to know how many times we’ve actually lost a goal because Scott Allan misplaced a pass. But the whole crux of this debate/argument is whether you’d rather play a supremely talented player, limitations and all, or a more rounded one who doesn’t have as much ability……

More rounded everyday

[jeffers]

Don't know what planet people are on thinking Allan hasn't been basically great for Hibs every time he's been playing consistently. Quality in the champ, Quality under Lennon, Quality in 19/20.

Me either. Fair enough if they think he no longer has it (I’ve not seen enough of him since his heart condition to make that decision.) I even get the argument of those who wouldn’t play him because of his weaknesses, but to dismiss his contribution when he did play regularly for us, that I just can’t fathom.

[hibsquaker]

Me either. Fair enough if they think he no longer has it (I’ve not seen enough of him since his heart condition to make that decision.) I even get the argument of those who wouldn’t play him because of his weaknesses, but to dismiss his contribution when he did play regularly for us, that I just can’t fathom.

I don't think anyone dismissed his contribution. That's the past. What matters now is the present.

[WhileTheChief..]

If he's not fit, he's not going to play, so it feels like a bit of a pointless discussion.

If he can get himself fit he'll need to fight for a starting place in the team, just like everyone else.

That's the way it should be. If JR doesn't pick him, it will simply be down to him preferring others.

[hibbysam]

Don't know what planet people are on thinking Allan hasn't been basically great for Hibs every time he's been playing consistently. Quality in the champ, Quality under Lennon, Quality in 19/20.

Crazy. Has given me so many memories regardless of how it goes now. I don’t think he isn’t good enough anymore, I just think we have a better balance right now. He’ll have to bide his time and come off the bench, but that may be when we see Scott at his best against tiring midfields/defences where he gets that extra yard without being completely up to speed. It would only weaken our squad getting rid.

[at last 61]

The most skilled player we have it will take time and minutes on the pitch to be where he was, but I for one believe he will be back to the old scotty soon

[Smartie]

More rounded everyday

Do you think the team who played so well during the second half of our first season back up would have benefitted from having a more rounded player than Scott Allan?

I don't.

Stay there, pick out the passes, let the rest of them do the donkey work.

We've built very effective teams in the past to accommodate flawed players with great attributes.

I accept that certain flaws can be crippling (I thought they were for Stevie Mallan for example) and I think we've suffered in recent seasons for not having more rounded players, players we seem to have a few more of now.

But I think there is most certainly still a role for the odd maverick along the way.

[jeffers]

The debate though is around a few things

1. Is Scott's talent as effective as it used to be?
2. Does his inclusion help the team as a whole or hinder it

You obviously think Scott talent outweighs his off the ball challenges

I used to agree on that but not anymore

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Point 1 is the biggest thing up for debate for me. You could well be right, I’ve just not seen enough of him to make that judgement, but as I said earlier the fact he played really well against Arsenal is encouraging.

[Stuart93]

I think some are forgetting the Scott Allan we have now isn’t necessarily the same Scott Allan as 2/3 seasons ago

[jeffers]

I think some are forgetting the Scott Allan we have now isn’t necessarily the same Scott Allan as 2/3 seasons ago

On the other hand given game time he could be a better version ? I’m only going by the interview he gave himself when the story about his heart condition came out. He said himself it was the fittest he’s ever been.

[Centre Hawf]

I can agree with people waiting to see if he still has it, he's coming back from a significant health scare and of course that's going to change you as a person let alone as a footballer. So only time will tell what type of player he still is. But we absolutely haven't seen enough of him to make any decision on that as fans.

The player we remember before the heart problem was a fantastic player and that alone makes me ready to wait longer than 3 games into a season to make a blanket decision on him.

[J-C]

A lot of hot air in this thread over nothing I think. He isn't in Croatia with the squad due to some sort of complications with the insurance due to his heart condition and the heat over there I believe. Don't know the ins and outs but it's apparently the same reason he didn't travel to Andorra (despite the ankle knock).

Scotty will have a place at Hibs and he makes an excellent addition to the squad and will know to bide his time for a chance to show his worth and I can't wait to see it.

Finally a sensible post in amongst 7 pages of bickering.

[flash]

Finally a sensible post in amongst 7 pages of bickering.

I don't see bickering I see a pretty measured debate on one of our players.

[J-C]

I don't see bickering I see a pretty measured debate on one of our players.

I see debate but 7 pages of the same posts over and over, has Scott lost it, when was the last time he played well, is he better than Newell, etc.

No one has a clue why he hasn't travelled and Centre Hawf has come up with probably the best reason for Allan not travelling.

[jeffers]

Could have done with him on the bench tonight :duck:

[My old man]

A lot of hot air in this thread over nothing I think. He isn't in Croatia with the squad due to some sort of complications with the insurance due to his heart condition and the heat over there I believe. Don't know the ins and outs but it's apparently the same reason he didn't travel to Andorra (despite the ankle knock).

Scotty will have a place at Hibs and he makes an excellent addition to the squad and will know to bide his time for a chance to show his worth and I can't wait to see it.
10/10 well said
A fit Scotty is in my personal opinion an absolute joy to have in your squad 3 games in and folk have got him sold/released we need to chill and just enjoy the thought of a fit and healthy Scotty gracing ER soon enough

GG2TH

[Weegreenman]

A player of his ability should be walking into this side. The fact he’s not getting a sniff tells me somethings not quite right with the lad. Very sad to see a fan’s favourite slide so far down the pecking order!

[flash]

Hope he gets a start on Sunday.

[jeffers]

Still think he could have offered something tonight :greengrin

However I found it interesting that it was discussed in this thread how we are less reliant on individual players these days, but IMO if Martin Boyle doesn’t show up we are a much poorer side.

[cameronw-hfc]

Just seen on twitter he was missing due to "health reasons". Sincerely hope it's not his heart again, and also not sure on who posted it as my page refreshed just as I was reading, so can't say if it was a good source, doesn't sound good though.

[Stevie Reid]

Just seen on twitter he was missing due to "health reasons". Sincerely hope it's not his heart again, and also not sure on who posted it as my page refreshed just as I was reading, so can't say if it was a good source, doesn't sound good though.

Maybe ties in with what folk were suggesting might be the problem, his medical conditions and potential lack of hydration in the conditions?

[jeffers]

Just seen on twitter he was missing due to "health reasons". Sincerely hope it's not his heart again, and also not sure on who posted it as my page refreshed just as I was reading, so can't say if it was a good source, doesn't sound good though.

I saw the same tweet, PLZ Soccer quoting Ross.

[Centre Hawf]

Just seen on twitter he was missing due to "health reasons". Sincerely hope it's not his heart again, and also not sure on who posted it as my page refreshed just as I was reading, so can't say if it was a good source, doesn't sound good though.

It was PLZ that mentioned it so I think its pretty accurate quote from Jack Ross. But as I said earlier in the thread from what I gather it's just not feasible for him to fly and play in the level of heat (it's still about 30 degrees atm).

[Unseen work]

I love Scott Allan as much as the next guy and think he’s a great player.

But how big an effect will this have on him? Between his heart condition and diabetes.

I’m hoping it’s a minor setback and he’s back in as he’s a great player.

Hell be one of our higher earners I’d imagine, we need him available for the majority of games and can’t to be paying someone his wage if he’s unavailable.

[cameronw-hfc]

It was PLZ that mentioned it so I think its pretty accurate quote from Jack Ross. But as I said earlier in the thread from what I gather it's just not feasible for him to fly and play in the level of heat (it's still about 30 degrees atm).

Yep, that was the post!

In terms of the heat, I guess, but wouldn't the club just say that his health issue prevents him? Given that he's done podcasts and interviews on it, not exactly a secret now. Just seemed a bit sneaky working

[Andy74]

I love Scott Allan as much as the next guy and think he’s a great player.

But how big an effect will this have on him? Between his heart condition and diabetes.

I’m hoping it’s a minor setback and he’s back in as he’s a great player.

Hell be one of our higher earners I’d imagine, we need him available for the majority of games and can’t to be paying someone his wage if he’s unavailable.

I suspect we know the conditions that will keep him healthy. It’s not a setback. It will be a known and accepted part of him managing the condition he has.

[Centre Hawf]

Yep, that was the post!

In terms of the heat, I guess, but wouldn't the club just say that his health issue prevents him? Given that he's done podcasts and interviews on it, not exactly a secret now. Just seemed a bit sneaky working

Could definitely be communicated clearer by the club if this indeed is the situation. Jack Ross obviously don't want to go over it all in the aftermath of a defeat like tonights but it does add fuel to the fire and a bit more communication from the club would help.

That being said it is a medical situation and Scott is entitled to privacy on it, so maybe they're just trying to give him as much control of the information as possible.

[Andy74]

Could definitely be communicated clearer by the club if this indeed is the situation. Jack Ross obviously don't want to go over it all in the aftermath of a defeat like tonights but it does add fuel to the fire and a bit more communication from the club would help.

That being said it is a medical situation and Scott is entitled to privacy on it, so maybe they're just trying to give him as much control of the information as possible.

We also gave nothing away about Hanlon and Doidge so I think part of it will be not giving away our team.

[1875Sean]

JR confirmed in his post interview that “Scott Allan also could not be part of the squad for health reasons."

[Unseen work]

I suspect we know the conditions that will keep him healthy. It’s not a setback. It will be a known and accepted part of him managing the condition he has.

I don’t expect to find out but it would be intersting to know what the conditions are.

Can he only play a certain amount of minutes/games in certain conditions? If that’s the case maybe Ross does think we’d be better spending our money elsewhere.

The thing with the heat and hydration that I don’t quite get is that’s very easily managed with the nutritionists and sport science guys we have at the moment. He’ll have trained in played in high high temperatures before and tonight the game kicked off at 8pm local time with the sun going down at half 8 so I’m not sure how much, if any, impact that would have.

I saw someone mention we’re looking to swap him for McCart - god knows if it’s true.

[cameronw-hfc]

I don’t expect to find out but it would be intersting to know what the conditions are.

Can he only play a certain amount of minutes/games in certain conditions? If that’s the case maybe Ross does think we’d be better spending our money elsewhere.

The thing with the heat and hydration that I don’t quite get is that’s very easily managed with the nutritionists and sport science guys we have at the moment. He’ll have trained in played in high high temperatures before and tonight the game kicked off at 8pm local time with the sun going down at half 8 so I’m not sure how much, if any, impact that would have.

I saw someone mention we’re looking to swap him for McCart - god knows if it’s true.



Is there a possibility that the game was maybe played at a high altitude? If so, that could very well explain it. Would take more than a few days to get use to it.

[Centre Hawf]

I don’t expect to find out but it would be intersting to know what the conditions are.

Can he only play a certain amount of minutes/games in certain conditions? If that’s the case maybe Ross does think we’d be better spending our money elsewhere.

The thing with the heat and hydration that I don’t quite get is that’s very easily managed with the nutritionists and sport science guys we have at the moment. He’ll have trained in played in high high temperatures before and tonight the game kicked off at 8pm local time with the sun going down at half 8 so I’m not sure how much, if any, impact that would have.

I saw someone mention we’re looking to swap him for McCart - god knows if it’s true.

It was near 30 degrees still after the game started, they've had a heatwave in recent days/week or so. He'll have played and trained in high temps before for sure but I'm sure his diagnosis has changed what is and isn't safe to do.

[CL0762]

I very much hope it’s just a case of Hibs protecting Scott rather than anything else.