Kilmarnock Game - Ticketing and capacity

[Iggy Pope]

Ron the con - that’s brutal Jambo patter.

Attendances of under 8000 for early league cup ties is normal. People just like drama.

Everyone knows he’s not but he doesn’t half write like one!

[HH81]

You cant blame Hibs for your geography J....

Yes I know. Just feels too over priced on tops of the other costs.

Lower league Cup games should be cheap for youngsters to get them going to games.

[Since452]

Looking back at our home attendances in the early rounds of league cup last time we had fans.

Hibs v Alloa 5,400
Hibs v Arbroath 4,700
Hibs v Morton 6,500

Pre Covid with a lot more disposable income for the average fan.

[Moulin Yarns]

BBC Sportsound has commentary of the game.

[Vault Boy]

Aye no bother. :aok:

Wants US to pony up.

RTC

It really is a crap thing for a Hibs fan to be perpetuating. Ron has already pumped plenty of money into our club, nobody should be having to read that nonsense on a Hibs platform. You did the same with 'Jack Dross', almost like you're seeking out the negative attention eh.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Size of the crowd today should shock the Hell out of Hibs & Ron. 10.5k STHs, first time in 18 months to see the team with no restrictions and they can't sell out a 12k capacity ?

There seems to be an assumption that we are all desperate to get back to attending games, the pricing of this game probably illustrates that the club are thinking this way. The truth is very different I suspect, some are, many aren't for a variety of reasons, some specific to Hibs, others which will effect all clubs. Today's paltry turn out should indeed shock the club, a wake-up call that getting people through the turnstiles post-covid is going to be a challenge.

[Since452]

All but 3 sections in the East have well over 50% availability. Very poor crowd today Billy. Rons got it wrong with he pricing. Ron the con.

Bizarre post

[flash]

Bizarre post

That's what Kickback calls him.

[Andy74]

It really is a crap thing for a Hibs fan to be perpetuating. Ron has already pumped plenty of money into our club, nobody should be having to read that nonsense on a Hibs platform. You did the same with 'Jack Dross', almost like you're seeking out the negative attention eh.

This is it. Just playing a role to be ‘relevant’.

[Since452]

We've sold almost 11k season tickets and took 2k to Motherwell. I really don't think we're struggling to get fans back. It's an early round league cup game against a lower league side. It's the game most would likely skip.

[HibbyAndy]

We've sold almost 11k season tickets and took 2k to Motherwell. I really don't think we're struggling to get fans back. It's an early round league cup game against a lower league side. It's the game most would likely skip.

:agree:


Livvi in 2 weeks will see thousand flooding back to Easter rd

[RoxburghHibs]

Everyone knows he’s not but he doesn’t half write like one!

In that case (if he is a Hibs fan) better he doesn’t post on here if that’s the level of his patter. All it achieves is wind up his fellow Hibees.

[Iggy Pope]

In that case (if he is a Hibs fan) better he doesn’t post on here if that’s horns patter. All it achieves is wind up his fellow Hibees.

Oh, he’s definitely a Hibby. Just one that’s well right of centre I think.

[Scouse Hibee]

Oh, he’s definitely a Hibby. Just one that’s well right of centre I think.

Just likes to speak his mind, it’s nothing new.

[Iggy Pope]

Yes I know. Just feels too over priced on tops of the other costs.

Lower league Cup games should be cheap for youngsters to get them going to games.

It’s last 16 though. If we’d drawn Hearts the doors might’ve been getting battered down.
Anyway, it’s already done to death. If you’re on your way up enjoy your trip and I hope it’s a happy one back.

[Iggy Pope]

Just likes to speak his mind, it’s nothing new.

Colourfully.

[CentreLine]

Looking back at our home attendances in the early rounds of league cup last time we had fans.

Hibs v Alloa 5,400
Hibs v Arbroath 4,700
Hibs v Morton 6,500

Pre Covid with a lot more disposable income for the average fan.

Good post. Puts the whole thing in perspective. A small number of noisy people just love to have something to moan about but the reality is that the attendance today will reflect what has happened in the past.

[Antifa Hibs]

West can only have around 500 or so left, but that’s without the central blocks being available
I’d have thought looking at the East, more seats available than sold
So looking at maybe around maybe 4500/5000 Hibs fans plus 1000 or so Killie

We not only using half the West?

Killie have 1000 tickets for the West presumably for the lower - so would expect the upper seats above them to be empty and not for sale. Black seats for corporate/staff/players family and the north half of the West for Hibs fans...

[CentreLine]

Just likes to speak his mind, it’s nothing new.

Yes. Entitled to his point of view like everyone else. It’s often a view I strongly disagree with and I can’t understand the wish for Hibs to reduce their prices to an undefined race towards people who want stuff for free. Some people won’t new happy until we can lift adults over the turnstiles Thank goodness we are not fan owned.

[hibee1875]

Aye no bother. :aok:

Wants US to pony up.

RTC

Weird view point. Very jamboesk

Where’s the con?

[Keith_M]

Ron the con - that’s brutal Jambo patter.

Attendances of under 8000 for early league cup ties is normal. People just like drama.


:agree:

[Heisenberg]

Aye no bother. :aok:

Wants US to pony up.

RTC

It is absolutely horrific jambo patter though. Aberdeen charged £30 for their euro game midweek ffs 😂 The pricing for concessions could’ve been better today admittedly but rushing to whip out Ron the con patter is wild.

[JimBHibees]

Aye no bother. :aok:

Wants US to pony up.

RTC

Your brief period of positivity didn't last long.:faf:

[B.H.F.C]

Good post. Puts the whole thing in perspective. A small number of noisy people just love to have something to moan about but the reality is that the attendance today will reflect what has happened in the past.

A lot of the moaning isn’t just about the pricing though. It’s about the way Hibs have handled the season ticket discount and charging our own fans more than Killie fans.

For all some people are worse off through Covid there are plenty who are better off as well.

[lord bunberry]

All but 3 sections in the East have well over 50% availability. Very poor crowd today Billy. Rons got it wrong with he pricing. Ron the con.
Ron the con, jack dross. :rolleyes: You really don’t help yourself sometimes. You can’t seriously think that Ron Gordon is a conman surely?

[B.H.F.C]

We've sold almost 11k season tickets and took 2k to Motherwell. I really don't think we're struggling to get fans back. It's an early round league cup game against a lower league side. It's the game most would likely skip.

Yet only half of that 11k wanted to go to the Rijeka game.

[Lago]

Nope, no actual ticket sales on the day, as far as I’m aware
All online
Ron should be standing at the end of Princes St with a board, pointing to Easter Rd
No sales on the day is absolutely rediculous, irrespective of how easy it is, apparently to buy online, there should always be a walk up ticket sales availability on the day. This forcing people to do all ticket purchases online strikes me as being more about convenience for Hibs rather than their customers, the fans.

[Callum_62]

No sales on the day is absolutely rediculous, irrespective of how easy it is, apparently to buy online, there should always be a walk up ticket sales availability on the day. This forcing people to do all ticket purchases online strikes me as being more about convenience for Hibs rather than their customers, the fans.Is there no online purchases on the day?

Maybe it's a generational thing but it baffles me seeing folk queing up when a few clicks on a smartphone and job done

Whenever I'm at the shopping centre I never get why there's queues at the bank

I guess it serves a really small section of society, in which I doubt that will impact our attendance very much

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[Lago]

Is there no online purchases on the day?

Maybe it's a generational thing but it baffles me seeing folk queing up when a few clicks on a smartphone and job done

Whenever I'm at the shopping centre I never get why there's queues at the bank

I guess it serves a really small section of society, in which I doubt that will impact our attendance very much

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It may well be a generational thing, but it's like this drive towards a cashless society, some people like to use, budget and pay with cash. Hibs seem intent on depriving, however small, some of their fan base the ability to decide to go to a game and buy a ticket at the ground on the day. If there are so few of them surely it wouldn't be a major strategic exercise to accommodate them.

[CentreLine]

A lot of the moaning isn’t just about the pricing though. It’s about the way Hibs have handled the season ticket discount and charging our own fans more than Killie fans.

For all some people are worse off through Covid there are plenty who are better off as well.

But it’s still moaning for the sake of it. I am certainly considerably worse off due to covid, not having worked for 18 months as a result and no government support. Only through family support have I managed to retain my ST but when I see people greetin’ in response to what is normal attendance numbers for comparable games I just feel they are looking for an excuse to have a pop at the club.
There are a lot of people not attending today who have done so in a quiet and dignified way. Then we have the noisy few

[hibbysam]

It may well be a generational thing, but it's like this drive towards a cashless society, some people like to use, budget and pay with cash. Hibs seem intent on depriving, however small, some of their fan base the ability to decide to go to a game and buy a ticket at the ground on the day. If there are so few of them surely it wouldn't be a major strategic exercise to accommodate them.

Of course it would. The cost involved probably far outweighs the cost effectiveness of doing so. I don’t believe anyone is fully cash now, a load of stuff can’t be done using cash anymore. Club would need to take details from all ticket purchasers, so would need done at the ticket office as the pods don’t have computer equipment in them.

[CentreLine]

It may well be a generational thing, but it's like this drive towards a cashless society, some people like to use, budget and pay with cash. Hibs seem intent on depriving, however small, some of their fan base the ability to decide to go to a game and buy a ticket at the ground on the day. If there are so few of them surely it wouldn't be a major strategic exercise to accommodate them.

I think it must be a generational thing. I thought I was moving on from being a luddite when I went to buy an Apple Watch at curry’s the other day. Then discovered I could see examples, on the assistant’s hand held tablet, there but had to wait three to five working days for it to be sent to my house.
Strange days indeed. Still a Luddite though.

[sadtom]

So despite saying in respect of ppv for todays game that 'full confirmation' would be given in 'due course'. There is 1 hour till k.o. and no official confirmation either way from Hibs.

I think there are a number of factors that will result in a low attendance. Pricing (away fans should never be able to get in cheaper than Hibs fans...a real OG from the club). Folk coming to terms with post covid restrictions and the additional palaver that comes with attending. Lower league opposition. Not on ST. Sunday. Some folk struggling financially. People have been out the habit for a year and a half.

Myself and my 2 laddies have been holding off on getting STs this year (been a ST holder, except for 2 seasons when the kids were born, for 30 odd years). Had initially decided to wait and see how things developed, possibly going to get a half ST. We have now decided to bite the bullet and get them (and go further into debt!) before the next home game.

One of my boys is a student, when i was looking at the buy ST on the fishy site last night there doesn't seem to be a student option when selecting the ticket. I would be grateful if anyone could give me the heads up on student STs? Ta in advance.

I remember when a ST pretty much got you into all the games but most notably you could afford to miss a couple of games and the ST would still be the smart choice financially. I guess seated stadium (and increasing greed/fleecing fans) put an end to that. The only benefit from a ST now is having the same seat and priority (of sorts) for Hampden etc.

[FilipinoHibs]

If in Edinburgh I would have been there as I was there in the 6-0 LC win over Cowdenbeath in 1985 when there were less than 4,000 there. I have a blind passion for Hibs and follow through thick and thin.

[B.H.F.C]

But it’s still moaning for the sake of it. I am certainly considerably worse off due to covid, not having worked for 18 months as a result and no government support. Only through family support have I managed to retain my ST but when I see people greetin’ in response to what is normal attendance numbers for comparable games I just feel they are looking for an excuse to have a pop at the club.
There are a lot of people not attending today who have done so in a quiet and dignified way. Then we have the noisy few

It’s don’t think folk are moaning for the sake of it. I think folk are moaning because they feel there is something to moan about. I’m going to the game, expected the price would be what it is for me, but I still think Hibs have handled this one really poorly.

[RoxburghHibs]

I think there are a number of factors that will result in a low attendance. Pricing (away fans should never be able to get in cheaper than Hibs fans...a real OG from the club). Folk coming to terms with post covid restrictions and the additional palaver that comes with attending. Lower league opposition. Not on ST. Sunday. Some folk struggling financially. People have been out the habit for a year and a half.


Don't agree with most of this. We have the same arguments every year on here about the low attendance due to pricing.

The attendance today will no doubt be similar to previous years at this stage in the competition. Lower pricing hasn't worked when tried before, in regards to bringing in more punters. As for Season Tickets - these are only valid for the league (this is nothing new) and would result in the club being out of pocket as Killie get half the proceeds. I assume away fans are getting in cheaper as Killie subsidizing? However I thought Hibs had also offered this to season tickets - but apologies if I'm wrong on that.

I do agree that the COVID restrictions, and the extra checks may put some fans off, as well as maybe some have broken the habit - but that's the same for all fans across the country.

[CentreLine]

It’s don’t think folk are moaning for the sake of it. I think folk are moaning because they feel there is something to moan about. I’m going to the game, expected the price would be what it is for me, but I still think Hibs have handled this one really poorly.

We are all Hibs and entitled to our views. Glad you are able to be at the match and hope we enjoy a good atmosphere and happy outcome.
Onwards and upwards.

[Since452]

100 or 10,000 there today I don't care as long as Hibs do the business on the park

[tamig]

Aye no bother. :aok:

Wants US to pony up.

RTC

I thought you’d maybe turned a corner. Clearly not. Pathetic patter.

[HH81]

It’s last 16 though. If we’d drawn Hearts the doors might’ve been getting battered down.
Anyway, it’s already done to death. If you’re on your way up enjoy your trip and I hope it’s a happy one back.

True.

Yes just feels like the early rounds as we didn't enter the league format this time. Good point though.

Let's hope it's a decent win.

[Steven79]

So despite saying in respect of ppv for todays game that 'full confirmation' would be given in 'due course'. There is 1 hour till k.o. and no official confirmation either way from Hibs.

I think there are a number of factors that will result in a low attendance. Pricing (away fans should never be able to get in cheaper than Hibs fans...a real OG from the club). Folk coming to terms with post covid restrictions and the additional palaver that comes with attending. Lower league opposition. Not on ST. Sunday. Some folk struggling financially. People have been out the habit for a year and a half.

Myself and my 2 laddies have been holding off on getting STs this year (been a ST holder, except for 2 seasons when the kids were born, for 30 odd years). Had initially decided to wait and see how things developed, possibly going to get a half ST. We have now decided to bite the bullet and get them (and go further into debt!) before the next home game.

One of my boys is a student, when i was looking at the buy ST on the fishy site last night there doesn't seem to be a student option when selecting the ticket. I would be grateful if anyone could give me the heads up on student STs? Ta in advance.

I remember when a ST pretty much got you into all the games but most notably you could afford to miss a couple of games and the ST would still be the smart choice financially. I guess seated stadium (and increasing greed/fleecing fans) put an end to that. The only benefit from a ST now is having the same seat and priority (of sorts) for Hampden etc.

Email or phone the ticket office and they will sort you out with regards the student season ticket.

[Lago]

Of course it would. The cost involved probably far outweighs the cost effectiveness of doing so. I don’t believe anyone is fully cash now, a load of stuff can’t be done using cash anymore. Club would need to take details from all ticket purchasers, so would need done at the ticket office as the pods don’t have computer equipment in them.
Why are you assuming that the current track & trace requirements will be forever with us? Going to a football match shouldn't be dragged into the load of stuff arguments

[sadtom]

Email or phone the ticket office and they will sort you out with regards the student season ticket.

Cheers.

[hibbysam]

Why are you assuming that the current track & trace requirements will be forever with us? Going to a football match shouldn't be dragged into the load of stuff arguments

It is just now and will be for at least the near future. Or am I mistaken in thinking this thread is about today’s game and today’s ticket sales? Right now you cannot just rock up and buy a ticket without having your details noted on the system regarding where you were sitting etc.

[B.H.F.C]

Spoke to the new CEO in the East stand before the game.

Asked about Killie fans getting charged less than some Hibs fans. Said he’d only just found out about it as pricing was sorted prior to him being in post. Said he’d have given it to all season ticket holders with fans having not been in the ground for so long.

[JohnM1875]

Spoke to the new CEO in the East stand before the game.

Asked about Killie fans getting charged less than some Hibs fans. Said he’d only just found out about it as pricing was sorted prior to him being in post. Said he’d have given it to all season ticket holders with fans having not been in the ground for so long.

He can do that for the next home cup game then!

[Steven79]

He can do that for the next home cup game then!They need to do more than that to make up for it.

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[BoomtownHibees]

They need to do more than that to make up for it.

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So getting in to the next round for free wouldn’t be enough for you?

[The Modfather]

Won’t post the link to it on Twitter as it’s a family friendly board, but the Hibs fan watching, shall we say inappropriate material, in his seat in full view is something else. Wonder if it’s a poster on here 🤔😀

[Borderhibbie76]

They need to do more than that to make up for it.

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I'd suggest that's more than enough...lets be realistic

[Steven79]

Won’t post the link to it on Twitter as it’s a family friendly board, but the Hibs fan watching, shall we say inappropriate material, in his seat in full view is something else. Wonder if it’s a poster on here [emoji848][emoji3]Just found the video.

It's going to be all over the Internet.

Wouldn't like to be him when he gets home...

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[jeffers]

Just found the video.

It's going to be all over the Internet.

Wouldn't like to be him when he gets home...

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What was he doing ??

[hibbysam]

What was he doing ??

Watching a video of a female playing with her diddies!

[Coco Bryce]

Won’t post the link to it on Twitter as it’s a family friendly board, but the Hibs fan watching, shall we say inappropriate material, in his seat in full view is something else. Wonder if it’s a poster on here 🤔😀

It's all over Facebook and Twitter.

😂😂

[Coco Bryce]

Watching a video of a female playing with her diddies!

It might be his wife 🤔😂

[jeffers]

Watching a video of a female playing with her diddies!

Brilliant. Just saw it.

[Callum_62]

How do you even find stuff like that?

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[Coco Bryce]

How do you even find stuff like that?

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Your at the wind up surely? 😂😂

[Allant1981]

He wasnt even trying to hide his phone😂

[Callum_62]

Your at the wind up surely? [emoji23][emoji23]No, if I search hibs fan on twitter can't find it

I'm curious how folk find or stumble across it

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[CMurdoch]

So despite saying in respect of ppv for todays game that 'full confirmation' would be given in 'due course'. There is 1 hour till k.o. and no official confirmation either way from Hibs.

I think there are a number of factors that will result in a low attendance. Pricing (away fans should never be able to get in cheaper than Hibs fans...a real OG from the club). Folk coming to terms with post covid restrictions and the additional palaver that comes with attending. Lower league opposition. Not on ST. Sunday. Some folk struggling financially. People have been out the habit for a year and a half.

Myself and my 2 laddies have been holding off on getting STs this year (been a ST holder, except for 2 seasons when the kids were born, for 30 odd years). Had initially decided to wait and see how things developed, possibly going to get a half ST. We have now decided to bite the bullet and get them (and go further into debt!) before the next home game.

One of my boys is a student, when i was looking at the buy ST on the fishy site last night there doesn't seem to be a student option when selecting the ticket. I would be grateful if anyone could give me the heads up on student STs? Ta in advance.

I remember when a ST pretty much got you into all the games but most notably you could afford to miss a couple of games and the ST would still be the smart choice financially. I guess seated stadium (and increasing greed/fleecing fans) put an end to that. The only benefit from a ST now is having the same seat and priority (of sorts) for Hampden etc.

Tom, first thing is your son needs to be a full time student to get a student ST and as you have already seen you can't just purchase it online as everyone else can.
Second, there is a form to fill in which you will find online.
Can complete it electronically or print it off and complete.
Thirdly, your son needs to prove they are a student by producing a student matriculation card. If your son already has one great, however, if he is about to go into 1st year he won't have one yet. No matter, the club will issue the season ticket but there will be a deadline for producing it which will be after your son matriculates in September.
Lastly, as parent you will end up paying for it!

[SteveHFC]

No, if I search hibs fan on twitter can't find it

I'm curious how folk find or stumble across it

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Was tweeted on the Scottish Football Away Days twitter account.

[CMurdoch]

How do you even find stuff like that?

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Thanks Steve HFC
The guy was obviously finding it difficult to get up for the match after Thursday. Needed a wee boost!
P.S. safe to say that isn't his wife

[Just Alf]

Poor guy, someone probably sent him it as a message and he looked at it in all 'innocence' !

:rofl:

[Coco Bryce]

No, if I search hibs fan on twitter can't find it

I'm curious how folk find or stumble across it

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Oh sorry I thought you meant how did the guy find the video 😂

[Callum_62]

Oh sorry I thought you meant how did the guy find the video [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Guy doenst know about incognito mode [emoji1787]

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[Lago]

It is just now and will be for at least the near future. Or am I mistaken in thinking this thread is about today’s game and today’s ticket sales? Right now you cannot just rock up and buy a ticket without having your details noted on the system regarding where you were sitting etc.
I have to say your whole argument re cash v online payment has been, to my reading, more generic than specific to this game. I'll leave it there.

[SteveHFC]

Thanks Steve HFC
The guy was obviously finding it difficult to get up for the match after Thursday. Needed a wee boost!
P.S. safe to say that isn't his wife

😂😂

[HFC93]

Looking back at our home attendances in the early rounds of league cup last time we had fans.

Hibs v Alloa 5,400
Hibs v Arbroath 4,700
Hibs v Morton 6,500

Pre Covid with a lot more disposable income for the average fan.

So despite all the negativity on this thread today's crowd was about average for last 16 LC at Easter Road over the past few years.

[Onceinawhile]

Poor guy, someone probably sent him it as a message and he looked at it in all 'innocence' !

:rofl:

You keep telling your wife that, she'll no believe you.

[Sir David Gray]

Poor guy, someone probably sent him it as a message and he looked at it in all 'innocence' !

:rofl:

Having watched the video, it definitely doesn't look like that's the explanation. 🤣🤣🤣

[Smartie]

It's not me.

[Hermit Crab]

It is absolutely horrific jambo patter though. Aberdeen charged £30 for their euro game midweek ffs 😂 The pricing for concessions could’ve been better today admittedly but rushing to whip out Ron the con patter is wild.

Is it now?

RTC was in the Hibs club pre match today and was pulled up RE the pricing of todays game as well as other things, he was adamant that the price was £20, it was only when a fan in the club the told him he'd paid £22 which is more than the Killy fans paid he then said he had no knowledge of that and said he would look into it. He also confirmed that these big screens will cost a million quid but he anticipates them paying for themselves in 12 months through advertising, all very Americanised sounding to me. That 1 million should be invested into players we need now, not hope that we get a return in 12 months.

[sadtom]

Tom, first thing is your son needs to be a full time student to get a student ST and as you have already seen you can't just purchase it online as everyone else can.
Second, there is a form to fill in which you will find online.
Can complete it electronically or print it off and complete.
Thirdly, your son needs to prove they are a student by producing a student matriculation card. If your son already has one great, however, if he is about to go into 1st year he won't have one yet. No matter, the club will issue the season ticket but there will be a deadline for producing it which will be after your son matriculates in September.
Lastly, as parent you will end up paying for it!

Thanks for the info.
I had just found the details on the site. He’s just filled out the online form so when he gets the reply from Hibs tomorrow I will be able to crack on and get them. :thumbsup:
He’s going into his 4th year so we’ve had student ST’s before, but can’t remember it being dealt with like this. Pretty sure you just bought the student ticket then he had to present his matric card when he got it.
Hibs already have his details.

Aye, yer no kidding, he’s 21 now and works part time so he’s coughing up…but somehow I suspect my pocket will take a hit!
Cheer, Gary (not Tom, not sad either…allegedly :wink: )
Saint Alberts Day Third Of May

[Hibernian Verse]

Is it now?

RTC was in the Hibs club pre match today and was pulled up RE the pricing of todays game as well as other things, he was adamant that the price was £20, it was only when a fan in the club the told him he'd paid £22 which is more than the Killy fans paid he then said he had no knowledge of that and said he would look into it. He also confirmed that these big screens will cost a million quid but he anticipates them paying for themselves in 12 months through advertising, all very Americanised sounding to me. That 1 million should be invested into players we need now, not hope that we get a return in 12 months.

1m on what? A fee? A fee and wages for 4 years? Players don’t just cost 1m and then costs disappear from that point.

1m and it pays for itself in a year is a great deal. It’s called a capital expenditure in the hope that it improves income after it has paid for itself which it will do.

Simple economics. It sounds American because they know how to sell sporting products in the US.

Also, your RTC abbreviation is just sad. Get a grip.

[Heisenberg]

Is it now?

RTC was in the Hibs club pre match today and was pulled up RE the pricing of todays game as well as other things, he was adamant that the price was £20, it was only when a fan in the club the told him he'd paid £22 which is more than the Killy fans paid he then said he had no knowledge of that and said he would look into it. He also confirmed that these big screens will cost a million quid but he anticipates them paying for themselves in 12 months through advertising, all very Americanised sounding to me. That 1 million should be invested into players we need now, not hope that we get a return in 12 months.

Yes, it absolutely is. None of what you’ve said merits him being referred to as Ron the con, same category as your Jack Dross nonsense. Who is to say we aren’t going to invest in players now too?

[Keith_M]

Is it now?

RTC was in the Hibs club pre match today and was pulled up RE the pricing of todays game as well as other things, he was adamant that the price was £20, it was only when a fan in the club the told him he'd paid £22 which is more than the Killy fans paid he then said he had no knowledge of that and said he would look into it. He also confirmed that these big screens will cost a million quid but he anticipates them paying for themselves in 12 months through advertising, all very Americanised sounding to me. That 1 million should be invested into players we need now, not hope that we get a return in 12 months.


And making that decision makes him a Con Man in your eyes?


:confused:

[Rumble de Thump]

Is it now?

RTC was in the Hibs club pre match today and was pulled up RE the pricing of todays game as well as other things, he was adamant that the price was £20, it was only when a fan in the club the told him he'd paid £22 which is more than the Killy fans paid he then said he had no knowledge of that and said he would look into it. He also confirmed that these big screens will cost a million quid but he anticipates them paying for themselves in 12 months through advertising, all very Americanised sounding to me. That 1 million should be invested into players we need now, not hope that we get a return in 12 months.

This is really cringeworthy.

[Hermit Crab]

1m on what? A fee? A fee and wages for 4 years? Players don’t just cost 1m and then costs disappear from that point.

1m and it pays for itself in a year is a great deal. It’s called a capital expenditure in the hope that it improves income after it has paid for itself which it will do.

Simple economics. It sounds American because they know how to sell sporting products in the US.

Also, your RTC abbreviation is just sad. Get a grip.


Theres absolutely no guarantee of that.

[Hermit Crab]

This is really cringeworthy.


Whatever, don't read it then. Put me on ignore if you're not happy. :dunno:

[hibbysam]

1m on what? A fee? A fee and wages for 4 years? Players don’t just cost 1m and then costs disappear from that point.

1m and it pays for itself in a year is a great deal. It’s called a capital expenditure in the hope that it improves income after it has paid for itself which it will do.

Simple economics. It sounds American because they know how to sell sporting products in the US.

Also, your RTC abbreviation is just sad. Get a grip.

We can’t make out we are skint so can’t sign players and then splash a million on screens. Thats aimed at the fans who said we don’t have the money for players, but if the club aren’t paying what they need to prior to last weeks European game when we’ve been crying out for reinforcements then they need to look at themselves too. Whether we put the screens in this year or next year, they’d pay for themselves in the same timeframe, difference being we were fairly desperate for players this summer. Irrelevant now as boys will be coming back but Europe was the huge bonus for us and we blew it.

No issue with speculating to accumulate in terms of infrastructure but timing is everything and I feel £1m could be better spent right now.

[Hibernian Verse]

Theres absolutely no guarantee of that.

Wow that’s what you took from that…ok

[lord bunberry]

Theres absolutely no guarantee of that.
Continuing with this Ron the Con **** should see you booted of this forum imo. You’re well aware it’s what the hearts fans refer to him as and you’re deliberately using it to troll other hibs fans. It’s piss poor patter and done to get a reaction.

[Hermit Crab]

Wow that’s what you took from that…ok


I have **** all interest in big screens. A winning team on the park is what matters first and foremost after all, Ron wants to be the best of the rest...

[Heisenberg]

I have **** all interest in big screens. A winning team on the park is what matters first and foremost after all, Ron wants to be the best of the rest...

Which we were last season? Not bad for a conman.

[Hermit Crab]

Continuing with this Ron the Con **** should see you booted of this forum imo. You’re well aware it’s what the hearts fans refer to him as and you’re deliberately using it to troll other hibs fans. It’s piss poor patter and done to get a reaction.


No bother Mr Admin

You're wrong, I had no idea thats what they refer to him as. :confused:

[jeffers]

I have **** all interest in big screens. A winning team on the park is what matters first and foremost after all, Ron wants to be the best of the rest...

I have no interest in them either, but I’m not convinced they are really for our benefit.

[Hermit Crab]

Which we were last season? Not bad for a conman.


So we should be winning the league this season then aye?

[lord bunberry]

No bother Mr Admin

You're wrong, I had no idea thats what they refer to him as. :confused:
Aye right then, where did you hear it then? Complete troll.

[Hermit Crab]

Aye right then, where did you hear it then? Complete troll.


From a fellow Hibs fan actually.

[Heisenberg]

So we should be winning the league this season then aye?

That reply makes absolutely no sense to me. Ron wants to be best of the rest which we were last season? No idea why you are on about winning the league.

[greenlex]

Is it now?

RTC was in the Hibs club pre match today and was pulled up RE the pricing of todays game as well as other things, he was adamant that the price was £20, it was only when a fan in the club the told him he'd paid £22 which is more than the Killy fans paid he then said he had no knowledge of that and said he would look into it. He also confirmed that these big screens will cost a million quid but he anticipates them paying for themselves in 12 months through advertising, all very Americanised sounding to me. That 1 million should be invested into players we need now, not hope that we get a return in 12 months.
The next year the million the screens produce will and the year after that and the one after that will be spent on the park. Blinkered approach HC.

[Hermit Crab]

That reply makes absolutely no sense to me. Ron wants to be best of the rest which we were last season? No idea why you are on about winning the league.


Because he said before we challenge for the title he wants to be best of the rest.

[Rumble de Thump]

This is like watching a Hibs fan do the Hearts fans' pathetic 5-1 hand gesture and, bizarrely, think they're being really clever.

[lord bunberry]

From a fellow Hibs fan actually.
Did you hear the jack dross line that you were using last season from the same guy? **** knows what you get out of doing stuff like this, I can’t for the life of me understand it.

[Hibernian Verse]

Because he said before we challenge for the title he wants to be best of the rest.

What do you get out of making people react to your posts like this? It’s been a running theme for years? We won 2-0 today and you’re on Hibs net on a Sunday night calling the Chairman a con artist…put the drink down.

[Hermit Crab]

What do you get out of making people react to your posts like this? It’s been a running theme for years? We won 2-0 today and you’re on Hibs net on a Sunday night calling the Chairman a con artist…put the drink down.


I'm working later so I'm certainly not drinking.

[BoomtownHibees]

I'm working later so I'm certainly not drinking.

With the stuff you have been coming out with you maybe should blame drink

[Jonnyboy]

Whatever, don't read it then. Put me on ignore if you're not happy. :dunno:

Disappointed to see you slipping back into your old ways, G. For a few days you were debating well and I was encouraged by that. Ah well ….

[1648]

I know it’s all opinions but naming our owner RTC is an outrage with no factual evidence to back it up. Think we are heading in to a nice wee spell with Hibs and building a good team added to the stadium enhancements.

[Silky]

Theres absolutely no guarantee of that.

There's absolutely no guarantee of anything in football. We could bin the screens and invest that in the squad on player who are no better than we have and don't improve us, have no re-sale value and we can't get off the books.

Maybe the screens are a gamble, just like signing a player or two with that money. But I've yet to see any cogent evidence to suggest that the screens will be a failure.

[JimBHibees]

Is it now?

RTC was in the Hibs club pre match today and was pulled up RE the pricing of todays game as well as other things, he was adamant that the price was £20, it was only when a fan in the club the told him he'd paid £22 which is more than the Killy fans paid he then said he had no knowledge of that and said he would look into it. He also confirmed that these big screens will cost a million quid but he anticipates them paying for themselves in 12 months through advertising, all very Americanised sounding to me. That 1 million should be invested into players we need now, not hope that we get a return in 12 months.

Yep absolutely horrific Hearts patter but you revel in that anyway. Very weird

[CentreLine]

I know it’s all opinions but naming our owner RTC is an outrage with no factual evidence to back it up. Think we are heading in to a nice wee spell with Hibs and building a good team added to the stadium enhancements.

Yes indeed. It’s to be all about the whole experience, he told us so at his first AGM and so far he has delivered on everything he said he would or has us clearly on that upward trajectory. It sounds like our chairman even made the time to drop in to the Hibs club, making himself accessible to some of the people who are the club which he is the the major shareholder of. That takes balls and is hardly the behaviour of a conman.
It’s sad to see HC dropping back to his old ways and I sincerely hope he sees a different picture very soon

[Hibby70]

What exactly makes you think he's a conman?

It can't be an extra £2 for a few hundred folk or he'd be better with some loaded dice down Portobello beach.

There's nothing he's done (or not done) that I can see that makes me think he's in it to shaft us.

[hibbysam]

I know it’s all opinions but naming our owner RTC is an outrage with no factual evidence to back it up. Think we are heading in to a nice wee spell with Hibs and building a good team added to the stadium enhancements.

Yuup. Personal abuse of McGregor wasn’t fine, but scathing unfounded accusations aimed at our owner are fair game apparently.

[HFC93]

Hate to be part of a pile on but any Hibs referring to our owner as RTC is painfully cringe worthy.

[Since452]

I have **** all interest in big screens. A winning team on the park is what matters first and foremost after all, Ron wants to be the best of the rest...

There is and we are. Can we we get the big screens now?

[Hibby70]

When's your birthday Hermit Crab, I'm getting your face up on the big screen just to wind you up.

[Stonewall]

Is it now?

RTC was in the Hibs club pre match today and was pulled up RE the pricing of todays game as well as other things, he was adamant that the price was £20, it was only when a fan in the club the told him he'd paid £22 which is more than the Killy fans paid he then said he had no knowledge of that and said he would look into it. He also confirmed that these big screens will cost a million quid but he anticipates them paying for themselves in 12 months through advertising, all very Americanised sounding to me. That 1 million should be invested into players we need now, not hope that we get a return in 12 months.

Referring to our owner as RTC is absolutely disgraceful. Unsubstantiated tosh. If I was to make similar comments about you I’d rightly be following Peevemore out of the door.

[blackpoolhibs]

Only the brain dead cant see the long term goals here, if they take 2 years to pay for themselves, twice what Ron thinks it will take, then in 2 years time we should have £500k more coming into the club through advertisements on these screens.

If it does take a year, then its £1m extra income without giving it the chance to make even more.

Everyone wants it yesterday now. :confused: For the first time i can remember, we actually have a proper plan for the future under Ron Gordon, but some numpties cant see as far as the end of their nose, and in my opinion are just out to cause trouble, they are not real fans, just trouble makers.

[Crunchie]

Referring to our owner as RTC is absolutely disgraceful. Unsubstantiated tosh. If I was to make similar comments about you I’d rightly be following Peevemore out of the door.
Spot on :aok:

[WhileTheChief..]

Some folk are just thick, there's no getting away from it.

'mon the screens.

[ian cruise]

Is it now?

RTC was in the Hibs club pre match today and was pulled up RE the pricing of todays game as well as other things, he was adamant that the price was £20, it was only when a fan in the club the told him he'd paid £22 which is more than the Killy fans paid he then said he had no knowledge of that and said he would look into it. He also confirmed that these big screens will cost a million quid but he anticipates them paying for themselves in 12 months through advertising, all very Americanised sounding to me. That 1 million should be invested into players we need now, not hope that we get a return in 12 months.

I'll try pick up on a couple of your points here HC.
If, as you have told us, Ron wasn't aware of the ticket pricing and thought it was £20 for everyone then it suggests the opposite from him being a con man. He was under the impression we were charging less and someone internally had let him and in turn the fans down. That's not good but it's not the end of the world ever. Pricing was a mistake, as per the feedback from the owner and new chief exec so now we have to hope it's something they'll be more keenly aware of going forward.

Regarding the big screens, there is an assumption on your part that money is the reason we aren't bringing people in rather than the availability of the right players. If we diverted the million being spent on the screens now to the first team budget to pay over the odds Kerr for CB we need to pay the player the enhanced wage he's expecting too, so it's not just one million extra this year,and that's not taking in to account the domino effect it has on other contract negotiations for players such as Doidge.

If we spend the 1 million now, and it brings anything like the projected revenue in to the club each season then you can afford to start increasing the monthly wage bill as you're not reliant on player sales or cup tickets being sold at top tier pricing to cover the costs.

I know you take losses badly and you're obviously still upset about the European result as it is when the attention to Ron began, however the feedback he's given at the Hibs club suggests you and he want the same thing. Tickets priced fairly and the club to make money via revenues that aren't always just asking the fans to dip in to their pockets.

The only choice left is whether you take his feedback at face value and give him time to deliver or decide that it is all smoke and mirrors and he is trying to fleece the fans. We can't convince you either way, that's something only you can decide

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Only the brain dead cant see the long term goals here, if they take 2 years to pay for themselves, twice what Ron thinks it will take, then in 2 years time we should have £500k more coming into the club through advertisements on these screens.

If it does take a year, then its £1m extra income without giving it the chance to make even more.

Everyone wants it yesterday now. :confused: For the first time i can remember, we actually have a proper plan for the future under Ron Gordon, but some numpties cant see as far as the end of their nose, and in my opinion are just out to cause trouble, they are not real fans, just trouble makers.

Have a little patience, you've changed your tune G. 😉

[hibee1875]

Is it now?

RTC was in the Hibs club pre match today and was pulled up RE the pricing of todays game as well as other things, he was adamant that the price was £20, it was only when a fan in the club the told him he'd paid £22 which is more than the Killy fans paid he then said he had no knowledge of that and said he would look into it. He also confirmed that these big screens will cost a million quid but he anticipates them paying for themselves in 12 months through advertising, all very Americanised sounding to me. That 1 million should be invested into players we need now, not hope that we get a return in 12 months.

So where’s the con?

[hibbysam]

Only the brain dead cant see the long term goals here, if they take 2 years to pay for themselves, twice what Ron thinks it will take, then in 2 years time we should have £500k more coming into the club through advertisements on these screens.

If it does take a year, then its £1m extra income without giving it the chance to make even more.

Everyone wants it yesterday now. :confused: For the first time i can remember, we actually have a proper plan for the future under Ron Gordon, but some numpties cant see as far as the end of their nose, and in my opinion are just out to cause trouble, they are not real fans, just trouble makers.

I’m not against the screens at all, just critical of the timing. Timing I get will never be perfect, but we faced a fair crisis this last week when you look at the state of our bench and we’ve been needing backups for a while. I’d just have rather right now that money was spent on the team, and then the screens picked up again when the sea was calm again.

Obviously understand I’m no businessman though - Thursday just hit hard knowing it could have been prevented, but the way we’ve started domestically then hopefully we are over the worst of it all.

[Hibernian Verse]

I’m not against the screens at all, just critical of the timing. Timing I get will never be perfect, but we faced a fair crisis this last week when you look at the state of our bench and we’ve been needing backups for a while. I’d just have rather right now that money was spent on the team, and then the screens picked up again when the sea was calm again.

Obviously understand I’m no businessman though - Thursday just hit hard knowing it could have been prevented, but the way we’ve started domestically then hopefully we are over the worst of it all.

I've agreed with most of your posts recently but have to disagree here. You shouldn't just ditch a capital project because we lost a European game and have a couple of players out injured.

We will have funds secured for signings, and we will have funds secured for capex's.

Have a little faith :flag:

[hibbysam]

I've agreed with most of your posts recently but have to disagree here. You shouldn't just ditch a capital project because we lost a European game and have a couple of players out injured.

We will have funds secured for signings, and we will have funds secured for capex's.

Have a little faith :flag:

The issue I had was folk saying we had no money to sign players, yet had money to put big screens in. I agree if we have both perfect, but if it was one or the other right now then it needed to be players for me.

[ian cruise]

I've agreed with most of your posts recently but have to disagree here. You shouldn't just ditch a capital project because we lost a European game and have a couple of players out injured.

We will have funds secured for signings, and we will have funds secured for capex's.

Have a little faith :flag:

Absolutely. Unfortunately there's always going to be a plater we need or the conversation about reducing costs for fans, so delaying something that potentially increases revenue until though seas are calm means it will never happen.

Increased revenue via the screens potentially helps those things happen long term so let's get it in too. If it gives the additional benefit of helping the ground/club look more attractive to other investors or potential signings then that's a bonus. If we can utilise it in match days for some content bar just advertising even better.

[CentreLine]

Only the brain dead cant see the long term goals here, if they take 2 years to pay for themselves, twice what Ron thinks it will take, then in 2 years time we should have £500k more coming into the club through advertisements on these screens.

If it does take a year, then its £1m extra income without giving it the chance to make even more.

Everyone wants it yesterday now. :confused: For the first time i can remember, we actually have a proper plan for the future under Ron Gordon, but some numpties cant see as far as the end of their nose, and in my opinion are just out to cause trouble, they are not real fans, just trouble makers.

👍🏻 The .net version of antivaxers.

[loanheadhibby]

Yep absolutely horrific Hearts patter but you revel in that anyway. Very weird

The boys had a mare here but what’s with all this Hearts patter garbage! Jeez. Anyone on here who says something that some don’t agree it’s , Hearts patter, undercover Jambo and so in. It’s absolutely tiresome and juvenile.

[Kato]

The boys had a mare here but what’s with all this Hearts patter garbage! Jeez. Anyone on here who says something that some don’t agree it’s , Hearts patter, undercover Jambo and so in. It’s absolutely tiresome and juvenile.The specific term being applied to our owner is actual Hearts patter though, not some scattergun accusation.

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[loanheadhibby]

The specific term being applied to our owner is actual Hearts patter though, not some scattergun accusation.

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But it’s not just used in this instances. It’s used all the time.

Unfortunately I have a few family members that are jumbos and their patter is pretty much the same as mine re our respective teams.

It’s the sort of retort you’d expect from someone in high school.

[ian cruise]

Probably a decent time for everyone to remember it's a stressful time, not just the Hibs fan part and people will be directing and venting their frustrations at the world via Hibs recent slip ups.

Obviously we can debate points of view and definitely challenge them but some of the the language has turned a bit personal, verging on abusive. We've already seen a few posters get into regular debates where they've gone over the top and left the forum/been asked to leave and it's a good time for everyone to chill out and step back a bit on this one.

[Since452]

Only the brain dead cant see the long term goals here, if they take 2 years to pay for themselves, twice what Ron thinks it will take, then in 2 years time we should have £500k more coming into the club through advertisements on these screens.

If it does take a year, then its £1m extra income without giving it the chance to make even more.

Everyone wants it yesterday now. :confused: For the first time i can remember, we actually have a proper plan for the future under Ron Gordon, but some numpties cant see as far as the end of their nose, and in my opinion are just out to cause trouble, they are not real fans, just trouble makers.

Spot on. Sir Tom oversaw the stadium redevelopment and the building of HTC over 25 years or so and I'm forever grateful to him for obvious reasons but i never felt there was a plan to continue to grow the club. I often felt we were just plodding along. Hibs are the biggest they have been in my lifetime and we are only going to continue to grow under Ron and Ben. If that's through increased social media, advertising and big screens then I'm all for it. Exciting times ahead.

[Since90+2]

Probably a decent time for everyone to remember it's a stressful time, not just the Hibs fan part and people will be directing and venting their frustrations at the world via Hibs recent slip ups.

Obviously we can debate points of view and definitely challenge them but some of the the language has turned a bit personal, verging on abusive. We've already seen a few posters get into regular debates where they've gone over the top and left the forum/been asked to leave and it's a good time for everyone to chill out and step back a bit on this one.

I agree to a point however if our Chairman has been called out as a con man by someone on this forum people have every right to call that out as rubbish and question why that term has been used and the motives behind it.

[HFC93]

The boys had a mare here but what’s with all this Hearts patter garbage! Jeez. Anyone on here who says something that some don’t agree it’s , Hearts patter, undercover Jambo and so in. It’s absolutely tiresome and juvenile.

It’s peak Jambos Kickback patter. I’ve literally only any heard Jambos use it. If ‘Ron the Con’ is not Hearts patter I’m not sure what is.

[CentreLine]

Unless I’m mistaken I think the Kilmarnock game is past. Perhaps it’s time this thread was closed so we can enjoy the next game thread where Hibs have reasonable/unreasonable ticket prices.

GGTTH

[O'Rourke3]

It’s peak Jambos Kickback patter. I’ve literally only any heard Jambos use it. If ‘Ron the Con’ is not Hearts patter I’m not sure what is.Use of the words: atmosphere, famous, unlawful, payback, maroon- especially conjoined with pound, atmosphere, state of the art, magnificent when conjoined with new and stand, atmosphere, wee team, fan owned, WW1. Many more I'm sure.

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[RyeSloan]

Ach we should never have built the East Stand or HTC or anything and just invested in the team!

Just think where we would be now if we had….

And don’t forget Petrie pocketing all the car park cash and then the infamous Ponzi schemes, now we have a con man as an owner foolishly spending money to build revenue for the future. Crazy how unlucky we have been with owners and chairmen, it really is.

Meanwhile on the other side of the city our maroon chums have really shown us how it’s done and just look at their dominance of Scottish Football because of it!

[Wakeyhibee]

If Hibs are too improve then revenues need to be there first. If we get to pre covid crowds again then 17k averages are the glass ceiling given the capacity segregation and away supports generally. So it's not coming from there.

RG has set out his plans to increase revenue. That cant be done without other streams or more bums on seats, which in turn means even more expensive expenditure on ER expansion with no guarantees of a return. Unless you want to pay £30+ a game!!

This seems to me to be a very good avenue to go down given our limited options to achieve this. Yes the team needs strengthening it always does each season.

[blackpoolhibs]

Have a little patience, you've changed your tune G. 😉

Not really matey, we are getting better, the club is growing and these screens will help that continue. Patience when we are getting skelped by sheite like Stranraer and the likes i wont take well.

The club are in very good hands, and we also have a very good manager now who's delivering progress. :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

Only the brain dead cant see the long term goals here, if they take 2 years to pay for themselves, twice what Ron thinks it will take, then in 2 years time we should have £500k more coming into the club through advertisements on these screens.

If it does take a year, then its £1m extra income without giving it the chance to make even more.

Everyone wants it yesterday now. :confused: For the first time i can remember, we actually have a proper plan for the future under Ron Gordon, but some numpties cant see as far as the end of their nose, and in my opinion are just out to cause trouble, they are not real fans, just trouble makers.[emoji106]

If we are definitely not getting the helipad then screens it is.

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[loanheadhibby]

It’s peak Jambos Kickback patter. I’ve literally only any heard Jambos use it. If ‘Ron the Con’ is not Hearts patter I’m not sure what is.

It may well be. Not really on any jambos website. Mines was more a generalisation that if someone does not agree with an opinion on this forum, it’s straight in to the Jambos patter/undercover hearts fan.

Sometimes it’s fine to accept that someone has a different point of view to you but personal attacks and pile on seem more and more common on this site.

[Rumble de Thump]

It may well be. Not really on any jambos website. Mines was more a generalisation that if someone does not agree with an opinion on this forum, it’s straight in to the Jambos patter/undercover hearts fan.

Sometimes it’s fine to accept that someone has a different point of view to you but personal attacks and pile on seem more and more common on this site.

I don't understand the point of your comments. People have acknowledged the literal Hearts patter and called it out for what it is. They haven't been saying it because they disagree with someone. That should be obvious. Are you genuinely saying that calling someone a conman and calling the club's owner Ron The Con is just a point of view rather than a petty attack?

[loanheadhibby]

I don't understand the point of your comments. People have acknowledged the literal Hearts patter and called it out for what it is. They haven't been saying it because they disagree with someone. That should be obvious. Are you genuinely saying that calling someone a conman and calling the club's owner Ron The Con is just a point of view rather than a petty attack?

My point was fairly simple. Notwithstanding the original post, in general if anyone has a point of view other than one of positivity, they are tagged as Hearts patter etc.

On the point this chap made, I’ve no idea who she/he is so cannot comment on whether it is a petty attack. His view is not one I share but I dare say he is entitled to his opinion.

It’s referring to him as Hearts patter etc that does the board no favours. Disagree all we wish but at least be eloquent and counter his point.

[lord bunberry]

My point was fairly simple. Notwithstanding the original post, in general if anyone has a point of view other than one of positivity, they are tagged as Hearts patter etc.

On the point this chap made, I’ve no idea who she/he is so cannot comment on whether it is a petty attack. His view is not one I share but I dare say he is entitled to his opinion.

It’s referring to him as Hearts patter etc that does the board no favours. Disagree all we wish but at least be eloquent and counter his point.
You seem to be completely missing the point. Ron the con originated from hearts fans, they’re the only ones that use that term. It’s the most literal example of hearts patter that I can think of. You’re trying to equate this with other instances of posters being called Jambo’s when someone disagrees with an opinion, that’s not what’s happened here. No one is accusing hc of being a Jambo.

[Rumble de Thump]

My point was fairly simple. Notwithstanding the original post, in general if anyone has a point of view other than one of positivity, they are tagged as Hearts patter etc.

On the point this chap made, I’ve no idea who she/he is so cannot comment on whether it is a petty attack. His view is not one I share but I dare say he is entitled to his opinion.

It’s referring to him as Hearts patter etc that does the board no favours. Disagree all we wish but at least be eloquent and counter his point.

It's not an opinion or a view, though, so it's not a case of people disagreeing. It is just snide Hearts fans' patter so, although you've made a simple point, it's out of place here. Nobody has called anyone Hearts patter. That wouldn't make any sense.

[HNA2]

Threads gone way off topic. Time to close it.