Boyle penalty claim

[Fergus52]

For anyone who watched on hibs TV did it look like a foul?

From my view in the stand it looked like a clear pen, Boyle has it just past him and he completely misses the ball with the tackle while tripping Boyle.

[Sir David Gray]

For anyone who watched on hibs TV did it look like a foul?

From my view in the stand it looked like a clear pen, Boyle has it just past him and he completely misses the ball with the tackle while tripping Boyle.

Stonewaller.

[ancient hibee]

The defender got his whole positioning wrong but made sure he got Boyle. A penalty.

[Callum_62]

I'm not convinced on it actually

Thought on first viewing it was but not sure now

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[PatHead]

Was in the East and it looked a penalty to me.

[hibee_girl]

Was in the East and it looked a penalty to me.

Same, we were in line with it and it looked a penalty :agree:

[Souter96Mac]

Watched on Hibs TV and it's a pen for me. Boy makes a hash of it, and Boyles taken out. The old mantra, it would've been a foul anywhere else outside of the box

[The Captain....]

Clumsy challenge by the defender who got himself in a fankle (copyright Bob Crampsey). Caught Boyle and brought him down, was definite contact. Be given most of the time imo, not having a full stadium screaming for a pen didnt help...thanks Edinburgh Council ya hertz wallopers.

[Auckland Hibs]

Not for me, it was a tough call for the referee and I think he called it correctly

[PatHead]

Watched on Hibs TV and it's a pen for me. Boy makes a hash of it, and Boyles taken out. The old mantra, it would've been a foul anywhere else outside of the box

We got a foul two minutes later for a similar tackle.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Yes, trying to be objective, I really thought it was a penalty.

[lord bunberry]

For anyone who watched on hibs TV did it look like a foul?

From my view in the stand it looked like a clear pen, Boyle has it just past him and he completely misses the ball with the tackle while tripping Boyle.
It was a bit weird as the ball seemed to ricochet of the other player as he slid in which put the ball into Boyles path. He then slid into Boyle and brought him down. It was definitely a penalty imo, but I can see why the ref didn’t give it as it wasn’t a direct tackle.

[wookie70]

I was in line but upper West so a long way away. It looked a funny one. The ball hit the defender and Boyle ran through and then teh defender caught him. It was definitely a good shout.

[pedroorange1875]

Absolute stonewall pen, worse than the motherwell game

[Callum_62]

Absolute stonewall pen, worse than the motherwell gameNo chance. Motherwell was clear as day

This one, not so much

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[Carheenlea]

It didn’t really look a penalty on the TV pictures but it was. If that makes sense!

[GreenCastle]

Looked like a penalty from right in front of us in the East stand. Amazed it wasn’t given but not seen the replay yet.

[Selkirkhibs]

It could easily have been given. The ref was happy to blow for free kicks for minor infringements earlier in the match mostly against us yet let them away with at least that at the penalty incident. Ref was mediocre imo.

[Alfred E Newman]

At first glance I didn't think it was but there was one angle on TV that showed the defender raising his leg as Boyle went through. The ref would be struggling to spot that though.

[Pretty Boy]

It was a penalty.

Whether Boyle had the ball is irrelevant. If the ball was 20 yards away and the guy booted Boyle in the box it would have been a penalty. The guy got himself in a mess, he impeded Boyle illegally. It was a penalty.

[Greenbeard]

Had that been given as a pen against us I'd be yelling "cheat, cheat, cheat". Boyle deliberately trips himself up on the boy's legs instead of stepping over him to try and get to the ball.

[Fergus52]

Had that been given as a pen against us I'd be yelling "cheat, cheat, cheat". Boyle deliberately trips himself up on the boy's legs instead of stepping over him to try and get to the ball.

Why would Boyle do that though? He's running onto the ball in a great position to cut it back.

Think you're doing Boyle a massive disservice there saying he was looking for it

[Greenbeard]

Why would Boyle do that though? He's running onto the ball in a great position to cut it back.

Think you're doing Boyle a massive disservice there saying he was looking for it
He did it quite simply cos he had more chance of getting a penalty than he had of getting the ball which had squirted away towards the goal line.

[hibbysam]

He did it quite simply cos he had more chance of getting a penalty than he had of getting the ball which had squirted away towards the goal line.

That’s outstanding. I have literally just finished saying that he’ll get booted up and down and some opposition fan will call him a diver at some stage. Bad enough when one of our own fans is doing it when he gets cleaned out. Brutal!

[hibee_girl]

Had that been given as a pen against us I'd be yelling "cheat, cheat, cheat". Boyle deliberately trips himself up on the boy's legs instead of stepping over him to try and get to the ball.

It looked like the boy raised his leg to trip Boyle up.

I only saw it live at the game so haven't seen any replays but that's what it looked like to me.

[BoomtownHibees]

Had that been given as a pen against us I'd be yelling "cheat, cheat, cheat". Boyle deliberately trips himself up on the boy's legs instead of stepping over him to try and get to the ball.

That’s some take on it

[Stuart93]

Was right in front of it in the east and can’t believe the ref or linesman never gave it. Looked an absolute stonewall.

[Ringothedog]

He did it quite simply cos he had more chance of getting a penalty than he had of getting the ball which had squirted away towards the goal line.

All in your opinion of course. The majority on here including myself think it should have been a penalty

[tamig]

He did it quite simply cos he had more chance of getting a penalty than he had of getting the ball which had squirted away towards the goal line.

I was right down the front of the East in line with it and it was a stonewaller. Defender screwed up, realised Boyle was on to it and made sure he caught him. Not sure what you were watching with that bizarre opinion.

[O'Rourke3]

He did it quite simply cos he had more chance of getting a penalty than he had of getting the ball which had squirted away towards the goal line.Where were you sitting? I was west upper and had a great view. There was no dive.

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[basehibby]

Definitely a penalty and I'm sick and tired of European referess giving us F -all while letting the opposition kick lumps out of us. He let Rijeka off with about three clear bookings as well as his bizzare fit of penalty blindness. Hope whoever we get in Croatia gives us a fair and level playing field for a change!

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/Freddie_23_23/status/1423374348493197317?s=19

Still not sure it's a pen

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[JohnM1875]

Thought it was at the time. But that's never a pen.

[KWJ]

Had that been given as a pen against us I'd be yelling "cheat, cheat, cheat". Boyle deliberately trips himself up on the boy's legs instead of stepping over him to try and get to the ball.

This was how it looked to me.

[Hunts]

Totally agree but obviously in the heat of the moment you could be swayed.

[Stuart93]

https://twitter.com/Freddie_23_23/status/1423374348493197317?s=19

Still not sure it's a pen

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It’s not a great angle. From the side of the east you could see the guy actually lift his leg then boyle going over it

[Callum_62]

It’s not a great angle. From the side of the east you could see the guy actually lift his leg then boyle going over itProbably from behind it looked like that but that's not what happened

Could have been given but no pen for me

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[wookie70]

https://twitter.com/Freddie_23_23/status/1423374348493197317?s=19

Still not sure it's a pen

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Not a pen for me. Did their player get up asking for Boyle to get booked!. Their player won teh ball fairly and caught Boyle with his follow through. No foul for me.

[kaimendhibs]

It was right in front of me and if thats not a penalty nothing is. Stonewaller

[Since452]

Clear penalty but that doesn't surprise me

[Peevemor]

I said on the match thread that I wasn't sure if it was a penalty and that's still the case.

Boyle didn't have the ball. The defender slid in and played the ball. Boyle then ran into him and got tangled.

It would have been soft had it been given and I'm not spitting feathers that it wasn't.

As it happens they were divided in the wee studio too. DD thought that there was nothing in it and Yogi said that there was just enough for it to be a penalty.

[calumhibee1]

Never a pen in a million years imo.

[Alfred E Newman]

Probably from behind it looked like that but that's not what happened

Could have been given but no pen for me

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What was he doing when he lifted his leg then?

[Callum_62]

What was he doing when he lifted his leg then?What he wasn't doing was bringing down Boyle - that's clear as day on the video



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[Since90+2]

Thought it was a penalty at the time, and I had a decent view of it from low down in the east, and I still think it's a penalty now. Look at the reaction of both the Rijeka player who does the "no no" reaction and the keeper who looks at the ref straight away, I think they are both expecting the penalty to be given.

[McSwanky]

Sadly I think Boyle deliberately ran away from the ball in order to be caught by the defender's leg. I was screaming for it at the time, and it would have been an easy one to give, but I don't think it was a pen.

[Rumble de Thump]

The Croatian guy makes contact with the ball but makes a mess of it, so he's lying on the ground and the ball breaks free for Boyle to run through on goal. That's when he then brings down Boyle so it has to be a penalty.

[McSwanky]

Thought it was a penalty at the time, and I had a decent view of it from low down in the east, and I still think it's a penalty now. Look at the reaction of both the Rijeka player who does the "no no" reaction and the keeper who looks at the ref straight away, I think they are both expecting the penalty to be given.Stevenson did the 'no no' reaction in the first half too. When a player goes down in the box, of course you're going to look at the ref!

[allezsauzee]

Never a penalty. I thought the referee was good I have to say.

[Broken Gnome]

If he'd gone over his right leg then I'd think it was a penalty. He went over his left leg though which was firmly on the ground, and could easily have avoided it. Is there even any contact?

Think it all looked rather untidy but not sure there's any foul there.

[Since90+2]

Stevenson did the 'no no' reaction in the first half too. When a player goes down in the box, of course you're going to look at the ref!

Don't remember him doing it when the player when he went down in the box, but he done it just outside, early in the game, and it was 100% a foul to Rijeka if it's the one I'm thinking of.

[Speedy]

The Croatian guy makes contact with the ball but makes a mess of it, so he's lying on the ground and the ball breaks free for Boyle to run through on goal. That's when he then brings down Boyle so it has to be a penalty.

That's my take on it.

[RyeSloan]

Crazy how many different opinions one incident can have!

For me it’s a stick on pen all day long and I’d be saying the same thing if it was the other way around as well.

I just don’t see how tripping a player in the box when out of control can’t be seen as a penalty but hey as I said it’s rather funny how so many people can see the same thing so differently…who’s right and whose wrong I have no idea [emoji1787]

[DH1875]

The boy gets the ball and then takes Boyle out. No idea if it's a pen or not as Boyle would have got to the break of the ball.

[McSwanky]

Watched it another 20 times or so since my last post!

The first angle in the twitter video above for me clearly shows Boyle change direction away from the ball and deliberately fall over the guy's leg. I think the referee's played a blinder here and spotted that, because it looked like a stick on in real time.

I don't blame Boyle for doing it, I think he would have got a penalty maybe 7 or 8 times out of 10 for that, but I stand by my original view. No pen.

[Greenbeard]

Watched it another 20 times or so since my last post!

The first angle in the twitter video above for me clearly shows Boyle change direction away from the ball and deliberately fall over the guy's leg. I think the referee's played a blinder here and spotted that, because it looked like a stick on in real time.

I don't blame Boyle for doing it, I think he would have got a penalty maybe 7 or 8 times out of 10 for that, but I stand by my original view. No pen.
Correct. I too, like many, thought it was a stonewall pen watching live, but sitting as I was in the front row only 3m from the action (on my telly) I had the benefit of the replays which IMO showed that Boyle had deliberately fallen over the boys leg on the ground. Watching it again this morning after reading some of the comments on here, on first time review and seeing the secondary movement of the defender's leg which was extended up off the ground, I nearly relented. But no, after another couple of viewings, the secondary movement of the raised leg is def towards the ball, away from Boyle, and that is not the leg that Boyle falls over. Boyle isn't looking at, or for, the ball. He's looking down at the boy's other leg on the ground. He is consciously going for the pen IMO, not the ball. I'd still be raging if that was a pen against us but I'd also be saying there was a degree of fault on the defender's part in creating the opportunity for the attacker to go down and claim.

[GibbytheHibby2]

Had that been given as a pen against us I'd be yelling "cheat, cheat, cheat". Boyle deliberately trips himself up on the boy's legs instead of stepping over him to try and get to the ball.
Exactly how I saw it too. If Boyle attempted to stay on his feet, he’s winning the ball and a possible goal.

[500miles]

See when John McGinn used to shield the ball with his big backside, that was about drawing a foul if the defender tried to challenge. It's no different to allowing yourself to be fouled when the defender loses control of the tackle like Boyle did. Its about forcing a mistake from the opposition, nothing to do with cheating.

[Rumble de Thump]

Exactly how I saw it too. If Boyle attempted to stay on his feet, he’s winning the ball and a possible goal.

Exactly. Which makes it obvious Boyle was tripped.

[Speedy]

See when John McGinn used to shield the ball with his big backside, that was about drawing a foul if the defender tried to challenge. It's no different to allowing yourself to be fouled when the defender loses control of the tackle like Boyle did. Its about forcing a mistake from the opposition, nothing to do with cheating.

Did anyone else notice he hardly ever got awared a freekick for this in the euros?

[JXM73]

The handball in first half too...

[Peevemor]

The handball in first half too...We never really got a decent view but certainly didn't look like a penalty to me.

[Hibees1973]

It was a clear penalty. In the 1st challenge the Rijeka player won the ball, then there was a second challenge as Boyle went on to get the ball and he was clearly brought down.

These close games always come down to decisions like this and this one went against us. A goal for us at that time is crucial.

What's the chance of Rijeka getting a pen next week. I would say around 75%. The chance of us getting a pen over there are 5%.

[Callum_62]

It was a clear penalty. In the 1st challenge the Rijeka player won the ball, then there was a second challenge as Boyle went on to get the ball and he was clearly brought down.

These close games always come down to decisions like this and this one went against us. A goal for us at that time is crucial.

What's the chance of Rijeka getting a pen next week. I would say around 75%. The chance of us getting a pen over there are 5%.Don't think it's clear at all

Couldve been given but we would be annoyed to get that against us

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[PatHead]

It was a clear penalty. In the 1st challenge the Rijeka player won the ball, then there was a second challenge as Boyle went on to get the ball and he was clearly brought down.

These close games always come down to decisions like this and this one went against us. A goal for us at that time is crucial.

What's the chance of Rijeka getting a pen next week. I would say around 75%. The chance of us getting a pen over there are 5%.

St Johnstone got one away in Turkey last night.

[O'Rourke3]

St Johnstone got one away in Turkey last night.Have you seen it? Bobby Davidson would have to have given it versus Huns at Ibrox. Rugby tackle.

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[GreenCastle]

Hibs posted an alternative angle clip on Twitter and seems he stands on the opposition players leg and that brings him down. I’ve changed my mind and looks like the ref made the right decision.

But as someone else mentioned…the handball incident ? Haven’t seen that again.

[CentreLine]

Have you seen it? Bobby Davidson would have to have given it versus Huns at Ibrox. Rugby tackle.

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Yes but he let a similar rugby tackle go when they scored. Aberdeen play American football or something. I get the advantage being played but McRory should have at least been spoken to and probably booked.

[Alex Trager]

Hibs posted an alternative angle clip on Twitter and seems he stands on the opposition players leg and that brings him down. I’ve changed my mind and looks like the ref made the right decision.

But as someone else mentioned…the handball incident ? Haven’t seen that again.

I’ve just seen it on that, and I think the boy flicks his leg out, to bring Boyle down.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CSRYKgrrTPM/?utm_medium=copy_link

[Dibben]

I’ve just seen it on that, and I think the boy flicks his leg out, to bring Boyle down.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CSRYKgrrTPM/?utm_medium=copy_link

Yeah. I think the boys right foot catches Boyle’s right foot.

Penalty.

[CMurdoch]

No pen.
Great positioning and call by ref.

Sitting in the East when it happened i instantly thought penalty then half a second later changed my mind.
Something not ringing true. Contact initiated by Boyle.

Have now watched the twitter and Instagram video's.
Watched the Twitter video about 5 times to decide no penalty but not obvious until at least watch 3.
The Instagram video is a much clearer no penalty and shows the fantastic referee positioning.

Shows how hard a job the referees have in these situations and it could easily have been given in real time.

[Stoker]

Yep . Our defender clears straight the ball away, then Boil gets tangled, falls to fake a foul. He managed to made it without YC. Lucky one.

Penalty? HOW YES NO

[Stuart93]

Yep . Our defender clears straight the ball away, then Boil gets tangled, falls to fake a foul. He managed to made it without YC. Lucky one.

Penalty? HOW YES NO

Shut up man. I was sitting right next to it and it was an absolute stonewall.

File yourself under must try harder.

[Kato]

Yep . Our defender clears straight the ball away, then Boil gets tangled, falls to fake a foul. He managed to made it without YC. Lucky one.

Penalty? HOW YES NOHe failed to clear the ball.

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[CMurdoch]

Yep . Our defender clears straight the ball away, then Boil gets tangled, falls to fake a foul. He managed to made it without YC. Lucky one.

Penalty? HOW YES NO

Hearts weren't playing :confused: