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Jonnyboy
01-08-2021, 09:55 PM
Prior to kick off I learned the news surrounding the future of young Josh Doig who seems likely to move on sooner rather than later. Josh is a very promising young talent and I’m certain his career will be a good one – it looks like Hibs rightly playing hard ball will force potential suitors to cough up an acceptable sum for his services.

Of course, Josh was not selected today and so Lewis Stevenson took up the left back role. I’m aware he has his critics, and it is common knowledge that I rate him highly but if there is one thing I’m sure we can all agree on it is that he can be trusted to perform when the need arises. It was fantastic to be back on the road again, following the Hibees and I believe more than 1800 of us made the trip. The atmosphere was good and other than the daft throwing of a flair near half time the youngsters down the front of the South Stand lower made the atmosphere electric throughout. Some of the new songs sound great and I look forward to learning the words!

The game itself started brightly although it didn’t take long before Boyle was hacked to the ground. Referee David Munro was, I felt, too lenient with some of the early challenges and that allowed them to continue for most of the game. The No. 16, Slattery, twice committed rash challenges that another referee might have punished with an early yellow card to show he was in charge, but that didn’t happen.

An early effort by Magennis drifted wide and Hibs were giving as good as they got in terms of attacking play but in the twelfth minute a silly challenge by Gogic gave the hosts a free kick some twenty five yards out. Jake Carroll delivered a bread and butter cross into the Hibs area and Kevin van Veen rose unchallenged to head the ball past Macey. It was very poor marking by our defenders and at the time I thought Macey should have come and collected the ball, but he remained rooted to his line. Having seen it again, defensive slackness rather than a keeper error.

The hosts only enjoyed their lead for five minutes when Magennis was on hand to fire home from close range after Murphy had shanked an effort that wrong footed Kelly in the home goal. Ten minutes later, Carroll was shown a yellow card for a quite shocking challenge on Martin Boyle, the Hibs man already the victim of numerous bad tackles.

Next, a Boyle effort was saved before Hanlon sent a looping header over when he met the ball from a Magennis corner. Moments later, Murphy was set clear and as Kelly advanced the former Motherwell man tried to lob him but was well wide with the effort which drew cheers of derision from the home fans. Motherwell enjoyed decent possession but didn’t really trouble Macey, until that is on the half hour another Carroll free kick was met at the far post by Mugabe who had been left unattended by Gogic. Moments later, Slattery once again launched into a challenge, but this time David Munro brandished a yellow card.

Hibs were trying hard to get level and a twenty five yard free kick from Nisbet just cleared the bar before a Watt effort was woefully wide of the target and then Macey easily collected a cross from O’Donnell. Then, a blatant foul on Magennis in the Motherwell box was a penalty of the stone wall variety. The challenge came from the already booked Carroll and had David Munro had the bottle he'd have awarded the penalty and sent Carroll off for a second yellow card. Sadly, Munro looked inept throughout and was infuriating both sets of fans with his awful display.

No changes were made at half time but in the early minutes of the half, Hanlon was booked for a challenge that was similar in nature to the ones Maguire of Motherwell had been carrying out without punishment since the game started. Next, a lovely curling effort from Murphy was well saved by Kelly who tipped the ball over the bar. Hibs were attacking the goal, behind which were the Hibs support, and the travelling fans were offering loud encouragement. Ten minutes into the half, Doidge replaced Gogic, and Hibs reverted to a 4-4-2 with almost instant reward. We looked more balanced and crucially, Nisbet now had a strike partner although it was thanks to a good save by Macey that we remained just the one goal behind.

A fine ball from Newell found Nisbet on the edge of the Motherwell box. Surrounded by three defenders, Kev got his shot away, the ball beating Kelly but striking the post before rebounding into play. Doidge reacted quicky and swept the ball home with what I believe was only his second touch since coming on. Soon after, Woolery looked as though he might break free on their right, but Stevenson stopped him in his tracks, earning a yellow card in the process. O’Donnell and Boyle then each had efforts that flew wide of the goal. Macey then saved easily from Woolery before Jack Ross made a second change, replacing Murphy with Jake Doyle-Hayes and the youngster took a central role in midfield with Magennis moving over to the left.

Not long after coming on, Doyle-Hayes played a lovely ball between two defenders to set up a cross for Boyle whose delivery towards the back post saw Nisbet strike a shot which O’Donnell clearly blocked with his right arm. A clear cut penalty and a yellow card for Motherwell’s captain before Boyle paid no attention to Kelly’s childish attempts to unsettle him, the keeper being carded before failing to keep Boyle’s effort out. Having twice come from behind, Hibs now had the lead and looked comfortable enough with that. Soon after, Slattery had another wild swipe at Boyle and once again referee Munro ignored it. Graham Alexander wisely replaced Slattery soon thereafter.

With fifteen minutes left, Munro found his card again and booked Porteous for an aerial challenge on Watt. It looked like a clean header to me, but Munro thought otherwise. Soon after, Watt had an effort at goal but failed to trouble Macey. Since moving over to the left, Magennis had become a bit peripheral and with around five minutes left, he was replaced by Josh Campbell who soon supplied a cross from a corner that Porteous met but couldn’t get on target. With time running out, efforts by Campbell for us and Donnelly for them came to nothing and Hibs saw out the game to record a fine 3-2 win.

The players

Macey – At the game I was a bit dubious about his part in the goals conceded but having seen them since I believe both goals were a result of poor marking by defenders. His save at 2-1 when the Motherwell man was clean through deserves a mention.

McGinn – Paul got slated for his error for the goal conceded to Santa Coloma and that was fair enough, I felt. Today, there were no such errors as although the second goal was in his area of the park it was Gogic who went to sleep, not McGinn.

Porteous – Solid at the back although perhaps he should have been the man marking van Veen at the first goal. That apart, he had a fine game and thoroughly enjoyed winding up the Motherwell fans at the final whistle. For reasons unknown they had booed him throughout the second half, but Porto had the last laugh.

Hanlon – Paul has made a couple of uncharacteristic errors in recent games, but I don’t recall any today and he was solid over the whole 94 minutes.

Stevenson – As I mentioned earlier, he’s a dream to have available and despite Woolery being a speed merchant I thought Lewis handled him well. I’m aware that if/when Doig departs we need to look to bring in a replacement but until we do, I’d argue the left back slot is in safe hands.

Gogic – Sporting a freshly shaved head he looked like the Gogic of old. Unfortunately, I don’t think he played as well as we know he can. Gave away a stupid free kick leading to the first goal and was posted missing at the second.

Newell – Joe has me firmly in two minds about his performances. Seems happy to make the vast majority of passes backwards and yet he is the only one who regularly shows to take the ball from our defenders. Did well enough today.

Boyle – I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – he must finish games covered in bruises as he was kicked from pillar to post with little or no protection from a dud referee. I’ve watched Hibs for many years and I’ve seen any number of players take one or two hits and then hide for the rest of the game. Boyle never does that. He gets up and waits for the next hit. Today, he was fantastic throughout and wins my man of the match award.

Magennis – In his best position at the heart of midfield and I thought he was tremendous today before being moved wide left. The right place at the right time for his goal and scandalously denied a clear cut penalty.

Murphy – Showed some lovely touches and clearly a very intelligent footballer. If he can stay fit, he’ll be a regular starter and it was nice to see many of the occupants of their main stand give him an ovation when he was substituted.

Nisbet – Had a hard gig fighting three defenders on his own but put lots of effort into closing down etc. Looked far better with his strike partner and his quick feet allowed him the shot that Doidge knocked in after the ball came back off the post.

Doidge – The big fella is still getting up to speed, but his introduction certainly created problems for Mugabe and Lamie. Alert to what was going on as he nipped around his marker to sweep home the second goal.

Doyle-Hayes – I confess I’m impressed with this kid. Happy to mix it up in midfield; always eager to show for the ball and his pass to Boyle at the penalty incident was spot on.

Campbell – Another kid I like the look of. Didn’t get many minutes today but will have enjoyed them, nonetheless.

Jack Ross – Proud of his players tonight. Coming from behind twice and going on to win the game will have pleased him immensely.

Referee – David Munro looked like a fish out of water.

Eyrie
01-08-2021, 10:05 PM
Ah, so the game did take place!

Good summation, including the inept refereeing.

ancient hibee
01-08-2021, 10:07 PM
Welcome back.Hope you’ve got over your eye problem.If Boyle goes to Celtic the sending off figures will break all records as referees’ leniency will suddenly disappear.

Selkirkhibs
01-08-2021, 10:23 PM
Your report virtually perfectly details how I saw the match too. I enjoyed watching the match. It was very open and while Motherwell were tough cookies we deserved the win. We had two stonewall penalty incidents with only one awarded. Always terrific to start the season with three points though and I agree that Boyler was the man of the match. A good team performance overall and looking forward to what is already shaping up to be a very entertaining campaign.

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Cat Stanton
01-08-2021, 10:50 PM
Welcome back from me too.

Your excellent reports are much appreciated. Thank you.

wookie70
01-08-2021, 11:01 PM
I thought their first goal was a move down our right with Magennis losing his man who crossed in to be nodded home for the opener.

AZhibee
01-08-2021, 11:42 PM
Thanks Jonnyboy

ozhibs
02-08-2021, 01:58 AM
Welcome back Jonnyboy great report

jingler1954
02-08-2021, 03:46 AM
I agree re Newell for me he passes the ball backwards too often. I would like to see him turn and drive forward more.

Dunbar Hibee
02-08-2021, 04:48 AM
Think you’re being a bit too kind to Gogic, he was terrible. I don’t think he’s good enough for Hibs personally.

BILLYHIBS
02-08-2021, 05:10 AM
Welcome back Jonnyboy

My tuppence worth : I thought Murphy had an ‘off day’ I was really impressed with Jack Ross ( never a fan previously) The Referee was a joke and Van Veen of Motherwell looked a proper handful

I really enjoyed the game great to have the fans back I thought that HIBS continued to play football were brave on the ball even although things were going against us and the boot was going in we were not afraid to give it back

Night and day compared to lockdown football

Brilliant report as always

Onwards and upwards

Smartie
02-08-2021, 05:51 AM
Think you’re being a bit too kind to Gogic, he was terrible. I don’t think he’s good enough for Hibs personally.

He had a nightmare yesterday, but let’s not forget all the good performances he’s put in for us up to now.

Tbh I see him as a bit of a Marvin Bartley figure - a specialist who should be rolled out on special occasions.

I’d be surprised if he was part of the best blend we can make with our current players, but I’d also be surprised if he didn’t start 20+ games for us this season, often being one of our best players when he did play.

He’s never played as poorly for us as he did yesterday though so I’m happy to consider if a blip.

TrinityHibs
02-08-2021, 06:37 AM
I thought their first goal was a move down our right with Magennis losing his man who crossed in to be nodded home for the opener.

Tony Watt back heeled to a wide open player who sent in a great cross which was made to look better by Gogic stepping off Van Veen who took his goal well. The unnecessary Gogic foul was their second goal.

Key West
02-08-2021, 06:49 AM
Agree with most of the report Jonny but the defence was very iffy at times and Porteous had his work cut out as a result of this, McGinn didn’t play well at all, Gogic was poor as was Murphy despite a great effort in the second half, Boyle, Nisbet, Porteous and Magennis shined for Hibs and the contribution of the subs were promising and effective.
Jack Ross put out an attacking side which made it a very entertaining game but probably as a consequence it was more open than the coaching staff would have liked but I applaud this and I totally agree that a 4-4-2 change made us more comfortable individually and collectively.
Motherwell we’re fortunate to have picked up red cards but their centre forward was excellent though he did cross the line more than a few times with his challenges, once again Boyle is the victim of dangerous and injury threatening challenges and unfortunately the standard of refereeing was brutal.
A great result in the end which probably glossed over some of our weaknesses but in context we are Hibs and there was enough to suggest that 3rd place and a more successful cup run may be on the cards.

Key West
02-08-2021, 06:51 AM
Sorry, not to have picked up red cards and were not we’re!!!!

LancsHibs
02-08-2021, 06:57 AM
A great summary as always, thought Kev Nisbet’s intelligent link up play deserved a mention. Nearly everything good had some Nisbet involvement. Him and Magennis looked good together, it was like watching Scotty Allan at times. An encouraging start to the league season. Well done Hibs

Greenbeard
02-08-2021, 07:00 AM
I agree re Newell for me he passes the ball backwards too often. I would like to see him turn and drive forward more.
Like he did leading up the second goal with a couple of fairly straightforward but positive passes back and forth and forward movement into space for the return, creating a threat while advancing deep into their half. Wish we saw that from him more often instead of the backwards/sideways nothing ball.

number9dream
02-08-2021, 07:37 AM
Nisbet really stood out with his composure and touch in a good old fashioned helter-skelter game.
Magennis was good in that central role, drifting right, for the first hour. But when Murphy went off he gets shunted wide left where he’s not nearly as effective, although he was probably knackered by that stage.
Lots to build on.
Jake Carroll should have had three yellow cards - the barge on Magennis was clear as day and he had Boyle gripped by the throat just before half-time.

Arch Stanton
02-08-2021, 08:04 AM
I agree re Newell for me he passes the ball backwards too often. I would like to see him turn and drive forward more.

It may not be Newell's fault - a lot of teams seem to do that these days - keep possession at all costs. At the Euros especially - back to the goalie any time there was nothing going forward.

Fergus52
02-08-2021, 08:07 AM
I agree re Newell for me he passes the ball backwards too often. I would like to see him turn and drive forward more.

He did this excellently for the second goal.

Sometimes the forward pass or dribble just isn't on, especially when playing teams in the league that like to sit in.

I'd much rather he recycles the ball through the defence when there is no clear forward pass on, than needlessly lose possession through a hopeless Hollywood ball unlikely to come off.

Look at the best deep lying playmakers in the world - they all make tens of backward passes per game because they know how important retaining possession is.

B.H.F.C
02-08-2021, 08:11 AM
He did this excellently for the second goal.

Sometimes the forward pass or dribble just isn't on, especially when playing teams in the league that like to sit in.

I'd much rather he recycles the ball through the defence when there is no clear forward pass on, than needlessly lose possession through a hopeless Hollywood ball unlikely to come off.

Look at the best deep lying playmakers in the world - they all make tens of backward passes per game because they know how important retaining possession is.

There were numerous times in the first half where Newell didn’t even think about making a forward pass. There is nothing wrong with passing the ball back the way when you need to, it shouldn’t be your first thought though.

Second half he played totally differently but it seemed to take us to be chasing the game for that to happen.

AlbertK86
02-08-2021, 08:45 AM
Tony Watt back heeled to a wide open player who sent in a great cross which was made to look better by Gogic stepping off Van Veen who took his goal well. The unnecessary Gogic foul was their second goal.

He gave away both fouls that led to goals. Both of them completely unnecessary


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AlbertK86
02-08-2021, 08:57 AM
It may not be Newell's fault - a lot of teams seem to do that these days - keep possession at all costs. At the Euros especially - back to the goalie any time there was nothing going forward.

Correct. Possession is everything


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Highwayman
02-08-2021, 08:58 AM
Welcome back JB.Your fan boys can now relax.Think they were worried that you would be included in a deal to take Josh Doig down south.
Agree that Martin Boyle was MOTM.But it looks like it’s going to be same old,same old with lack of protection from referees.If that hopeless ref.yesterday had done his job properly Motherwell could easily have ended up with eight players.
As you were at the game,you wouldn’t have heard the stat on Sky that Boyle was the second most fouled player in the Premiership last season.Surprisingly the most fouled player was Lewis Ferguson at Aberdeen.But whereas Boyle gets up and usually doesn’t react and just gets on with tormenting opposition defences,wonder how many bookings Ferguson got for taking his revenge.

Fergus52
02-08-2021, 09:16 AM
He gave away both fouls that led to goals. Both of them completely unnecessary


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Also managed to completely lose his man with terrible marking for both goals, really poor performance.

Fergus52
02-08-2021, 09:19 AM
There were numerous times in the first half where Newell didn’t even think about making a forward pass. There is nothing wrong with passing the ball back the way when you need to, it shouldn’t be your first thought though.

Second half he played totally differently but it seemed to take us to be chasing the game for that to happen.


Were you there or watching on TV?

I was in the stands and I don't remember any time that he passed it backwards when I thought there was an obvious forward or progressive pass on for him.

After they went ahead Motherwell were sitting in and were effective at cutting off the passing lanes to Boyle, Murphy, Nisbet.

Keith_M
02-08-2021, 09:31 AM
Ah, so the game did take place!

Good summation, including the inept refereeing.


Finally we all know for sure.


The only thing I'd differ from in JB's summation of the players was his opinion of McGinn, as I thought he was quite poor for large parts of the game.

The Motherwell players were passing him with ease and he often failed to close them down, let alone put in a challenge.

He wasn't alone in being poor in the early part of the game, though.as I thought Gogic was having an off day.

Seveno
02-08-2021, 12:41 PM
The one certainty about following Hibs is that your report will always be spot on. Thanks for what you do, JC.

Greenbeard
02-08-2021, 02:28 PM
Were you there or watching on TV?

I was in the stands and I don't remember any time that he passed it backwards when I thought there was an obvious forward or progressive pass on for him.

After they went ahead Motherwell were sitting in and were effective at cutting off the passing lanes to Boyle, Murphy, Nisbet.
No problem retaining possession and keeping ball if there is nothing on. What riles with Newell though is the rarity with which he moves into space to get a return pass and as a consequence, this often leads to Porto or Hanlon end up hitting a long ball. Newell's movement leading up to our second goal was simple but highly effective. More of that needed please.

B.H.F.C
02-08-2021, 05:22 PM
Were you there or watching on TV?

I was in the stands and I don't remember any time that he passed it backwards when I thought there was an obvious forward or progressive pass on for him.

After they went ahead Motherwell were sitting in and were effective at cutting off the passing lanes to Boyle, Murphy, Nisbet.

No I was at the game and recall him doing at least two or three times, one time when he just passed the ball back to Macey without looking anywhere else.

Newell has never been a deep lying central midfielder who is going to dictate games in his career and he isn’t one now IMO. When he played higher up the park in the second he was much, much better and had an influence on the game.

brog
02-08-2021, 06:51 PM
No I was at the game and recall him doing at least two or three times, one time when he just passed the ball back to Macey without looking anywhere else.

Newell has never been a deep lying central midfielder who is going to dictate games in his career and he isn’t one now IMO. When he played higher up the park in the second he was much, much better and had an influence on the game.

I was frustrated by Joe in the first half but I thought he was excellent in the 2nd. Strangely though, I thought Joe actually moved a bit deeper. With Doidge replacing Gogic we only had 2 real midfield players, Joe and Kyle. We effectively went to 4 2 4 or 4 3 3 with Murphy included. I applaud the bravery of Jack Ross in doing this. Wherever Joe was it worked!

B.H.F.C
02-08-2021, 07:01 PM
I was frustrated by Joe in the first half but I thought he was excellent in the 2nd. Strangely though, I thought Joe actually moved a bit deeper. With Doidge replacing Gogic we only had 2 real midfield players, Joe and Kyle. We effectively went to 4 2 4 or 4 3 3 with Murphy included. I applaud the bravery of Jack Ross in doing this. Wherever Joe was it worked!

Don’t get me wrong, he would still pop up every now and again to take it of Hanlon and pass it to Porteous but he just tried to be a lot more positive. For the goal he’d got in to the final third. There was another couple of good bits of play down the right. Even in the last minute it was him pressing O’Donnell at right back. Just thought he showed a lot more intent.

hibbyfraelibby
02-08-2021, 08:04 PM
Porto needs to learn how to weight his passes. Everything is skelped with the power of a Saturn V rocket meaning the recipients of his passes are either knocked over by the sheer power or are forced to take an extra touch or two taking the sting out of them so they can control the ball.

CmoantheHibs
02-08-2021, 08:35 PM
I was frustrated by Joe in the first half but I thought he was excellent in the 2nd. Strangely though, I thought Joe actually moved a bit deeper. With Doidge replacing Gogic we only had 2 real midfield players, Joe and Kyle. We effectively went to 4 2 4 or 4 3 3 with Murphy included. I applaud the bravery of Jack Ross in doing this. Wherever Joe was it worked!
I agree with this but I think he was under orders in the first half. Same happened at the start of last season when he was asked to play more defensively minded then once JR allowed him more licence to go forward he was superb. Thought he was excellent in the 2nd half yesterday and drove us forward numerous times which obviously went unnoticed by some.

Fergus52
02-08-2021, 09:33 PM
No I was at the game and recall him doing at least two or three times, one time when he just passed the ball back to Macey without looking anywhere else.

Newell has never been a deep lying central midfielder who is going to dictate games in his career and he isn’t one now IMO. When he played higher up the park in the second he was much, much better and had an influence on the game.

That's exactly the role he's been playing for us for the past 12 months or so though.

Another poster already posted the stats but he had the most touches and passes in the team after Porteous and Hanlon on Sunday, the best pass completion rate on the park, highest number of chances created (key passes), and second most interceptions after Lewis. If that's not the stats of a deep lying playmaker controlling the game then I dunno what is.

Even in the second half when he was pushing forward more often, the whole team was playing higher up the park and he was still often our deepest midfielder. When our defence had possession he was still the one dropping very deep to show for the ball. Our second goal came from him doing this - He has some interplay with Hanlon and then Stevenson - recycling the ball deep while Motherwell commit more men to the press - then when the space starts to open up he calls for it back and drives into the space that has been created from his (often maligned) backwards and sideways passing, which leads to us equalising. Was a really clever bit of play which was key to us eventually winning the match.

Although I think it's overblown, I understand posters who think he doesn't look to go forward enough and get frustrated at his apparent lack of positivity sometimes. But to say he's not a deep central midfielder who can control games is proper nonsense, it's exactly what he was doing on Sunday and what he did for us all last season.

Iain G
02-08-2021, 09:40 PM
That's exactly the role he's been playing for us for the past 12 months or so though.

Another poster already posted the stats but he had the most touches and passes in the team after Porteous and Hanlon on Sunday, the best pass completion rate on the park, highest number of chances created (key passes), and second most interceptions after Lewis. If that's not the stats of a deep lying playmaker controlling the game then I dunno what is.

Even in the second half when he was pushing forward more often, the whole team was playing higher up the park and he was still often our deepest midfielder. When our defence had possession he was still the one dropping very deep to show for the ball. Our second goal came from him doing this - He has some interplay with Hanlon and then Stevenson - recycling the ball deep while Motherwell commit more men to the press - then when the space starts to open up he calls for it back and drives into the space that has been created from his (often maligned) backwards and sideways passing, which leads to us equalising. Was a really clever bit of play which was key to us eventually winning the match.

Although I think it's overblown, I understand posters who think he doesn't look to go forward enough and get frustrated at his apparent lack of positivity sometimes. But to say he's not a deep central midfielder who can control games is proper nonsense, it's exactly what he was doing on Sunday and what he did for us all last season.

I thought he was a winger though? 😁

But that is a seriously good summing up of exactly what he brings to our midfield and is a key component of how we play.

B.H.F.C
02-08-2021, 10:01 PM
That's exactly the role he's been playing for us for the past 12 months or so though.

Another poster already posted the stats but he had the most touches and passes in the team after Porteous and Hanlon on Sunday, the best pass completion rate on the park, highest number of chances created (key passes), and second most interceptions after Lewis. If that's not the stats of a deep lying playmaker controlling the game then I dunno what is.

Even in the second half when he was pushing forward more often, the whole team was playing higher up the park and he was still often our deepest midfielder. When our defence had possession he was still the one dropping very deep to show for the ball. Our second goal came from him doing this - He has some interplay with Hanlon and then Stevenson - recycling the ball deep while Motherwell commit more men to the press - then when the space starts to open up he calls for it back and drives into the space that has been created from his (often maligned) backwards and sideways passing, which leads to us equalising. Was a really clever bit of play which was key to us eventually winning the match.

Although I think it's overblown, I understand posters who think he doesn't look to go forward enough and get frustrated at his apparent lack of positivity sometimes. But to say he's not a deep central midfielder who can control games is proper nonsense, it's exactly what he was doing on Sunday and what he did for us all last season.

He’s been playing the role. I don’t think he dictates games from it though. Simply passing the ball doesn’t mean you’re dictating the game. We saw it countless times last season when teams were actually happy for us to have the ball and to pass the it side to side and back the way without any real idea of where we were going.

Stand by my comment that’s not his position, or at least I don’t think he’s as effective in playing it as you do. Last season was the first season he’s played it consistently in his career and some think he did/does it better. He influenced the game in the second half yesterday simply by being more positive. Instead of just knocking the ball back and square he decided to knock it square, run 20 yards, get the ball back, and run another 20 yards with it. If he’s more positive and shows more urgency, like he did in the second half, then he may change my mind.

Obviously it’s a smallish number of games but I thought our midfield was better without him last season and we won five of the six games we played without him in the league.

MagicSwirlingShip
02-08-2021, 10:39 PM
A great summary as always, thought Kev Nisbet’s intelligent link up play deserved a mention. Nearly everything good had some Nisbet involvement. Him and Magennis looked good together, it was like watching Scotty Allan at times. An encouraging start to the league season. Well done Hibs

Scotty Allan , who was left on the bench. Turns out we can play some decent stuff without him.

jacomo
02-08-2021, 10:47 PM
Yes! TIHIF is back!

Great report.

Fergus52
03-08-2021, 09:27 AM
He’s been playing the role. I don’t think he dictates games from it though. Simply passing the ball doesn’t mean you’re dictating the game. We saw it countless times last season when teams were actually happy for us to have the ball and to pass the it side to side and back the way without any real idea of where we were going.

Stand by my comment that’s not his position, or at least I don’t think he’s as effective in playing it as you do. Last season was the first season he’s played it consistently in his career and some think he did/does it better. He influenced the game in the second half yesterday simply by being more positive. Instead of just knocking the ball back and square he decided to knock it square, run 20 yards, get the ball back, and run another 20 yards with it. If he’s more positive and shows more urgency, like he did in the second half, then he may change my mind.

Obviously it’s a smallish number of games but I thought our midfield was better without him last season and we won five of the six games we played without him in the league.

Fair enough, I clearly just rate him more than you do :aok:

I agree he should definitely look to do this more often

brog
03-08-2021, 09:40 AM
I agree with this but I think he was under orders in the first half. Same happened at the start of last season when he was asked to play more defensively minded then once JR allowed him more licence to go forward he was superb. Thought he was excellent in the 2nd half yesterday and drove us forward numerous times which obviously went unnoticed by some.


Yep, pretty much sums it up for me.

Greenbeard
03-08-2021, 09:55 AM
That's exactly the role he's been playing for us for the past 12 months or so though.

Another poster already posted the stats but he had the most touches and passes in the team after Porteous and Hanlon on Sunday, the best pass completion rate on the park, highest number of chances created (key passes), and second most interceptions after Lewis. If that's not the stats of a deep lying playmaker controlling the game then I dunno what is.

Even in the second half when he was pushing forward more often, the whole team was playing higher up the park and he was still often our deepest midfielder. When our defence had possession he was still the one dropping very deep to show for the ball. Our second goal came from him doing this - He has some interplay with Hanlon and then Stevenson - recycling the ball deep while Motherwell commit more men to the press - then when the space starts to open up he calls for it back and drives into the space that has been created from his (often maligned) backwards and sideways passing, which leads to us equalising. Was a really clever bit of play which was key to us eventually winning the match.

Although I think it's overblown, I understand posters who think he doesn't look to go forward enough and get frustrated at his apparent lack of positivity sometimes. But to say he's not a deep central midfielder who can control games is proper nonsense, it's exactly what he was doing on Sunday and what he did for us all last season.
It wasn't clever. It's rarity might make you think so but it was pretty straightforward. Pass and move straight away to offer yourself for a return. Too often he hits a pass and stays static or covered. And his movement which lead to the second goal wasn't a risky lung bursting sprint dragging him out of position, although he was up there again in the box for potential involvement. His movement was short but highly effective in allowing a fairly simple return pass each time. More please.

Fergus52
03-08-2021, 11:27 AM
It wasn't clever. It's rarity might make you think so but it was pretty straightforward. Pass and move straight away to offer yourself for a return. Too often he hits a pass and stays static or covered. And his movement which lead to the second goal wasn't a risky lung bursting sprint dragging him out of position, although he was up there again in the box for potential involvement. His movement was short but highly effective in allowing a fairly simple return pass each time. More please.

How many sides in our league come up against us and pack the midfield, closing off easy options for runs into space or passes forward to Nisbet and Boyle. Just about every team apart from the old firm did that against us last season.

Most of the time when the space is there for an effective line breaking pass, or a dribble into space, he does take it IMO. Teams like to clog the midfield against us, which means that often he does just have to cycle the ball through the centre backs and fullbacks, waiting for the opportunity to present itself. Coming deep and staying relatively static in front of the centre backs means the other team has to press high if they want the ball back, which in turn creates space further up the pitch for our more attacking midfielders and wingers to cause trouble.

That goal I'm talking about came from him doing what I've just described. When he first gives the ball to Hanlon, if he had immediately turned and ran forward to look for it again there would have been about three Motherwell players immediately on him, with no easy ball for Hanlon forcing him to go long. Instead he stays deep slowly recycling the ball while they commit more men forward to press, then when enough space had opened up he took the opportunity to drive forward, leading to the goal.