Conceding headers

[Irish_Steve]

Did Ian Crocker say we didn’t concede a header all last season? And now two in the first game?

[hibee_girl]

:agree:

[Since452]

Saved them all for the cup

[Irish_Steve]

Saved them all for the cup

Just in the league then!

[Andy74]

Perhaps Rocky was the one keeping it all together back there? 😈

[3pm]

Perhaps Rocky was the one keeping it all together back there? 😈

I did wonder if Macey should have been off his line for the 2nd goal.

[SChibs]

An average of 1 a season is still good?

[Key West]

Perhaps Rocky was the one keeping it all together back there? 😈

A diagonal floated free kick shouldn't cause any defence a problem.

[Lancs Harp]

If you want to point a finger for both 'Well goals look no further than Gogic.

Great cross for the first but the lad had a free header. Got to be better organised than that, Gogic trying (not very well) to cope with a lad who is 10 foot tall and our two centre baks nowhere to be seen.

We can still get a result out of this.

[SChibs]

If you want to point a finger for both 'Well goals look no further than Gogic.

Great cross for the first but the lad had a free header. Got to be better organised than that, Gogic trying (not very well) to cope with a lad who is 10 foot tall and our two centre baks nowhere to be seen.

We can still get a result out of this.

Gogic takes a step forward to cover Porto as he is miles from his man and ends up losing his own man.

[Allez Hibs]

It's fairly obvious the Defence needs rebuilt.

[Mr. Wonderful]

It's fairly obvious the Defence needs rebuilt.

Except the defence didn't lose their men, the big solid midfield hard man did.

[hibbysam]

Gogic takes a step forward to cover Porto as he is miles from his man and ends up losing his own man.

Porto and Hanlon were still in their positions from the first phase, nothing to do with them, they had men. It was Gogic and Nisbet back door, Gogic being the defensive minded player should’ve had it sorted long before the ball came back in, then panicked and ended up in no mans land.

[SChibs]

Porto and Hanlon were still in their positions from the first phase, nothing to do with them, they had men. It was Gogic and Nisbet back door, Gogic being the defensive minded player should’ve had it sorted long before the ball came back in, then panicked and ended up in no mans land.

If you get the chance to watxh it again you'll see Porteus is a good 2 yards off Mugabe. If the ball is played onto Mugabe Porteus would have been nowhere near him. Looks like Gogic misreads the ball and goes to cover Porto and leaves his man. Both played their part in conceding the goal but Gogic more so.

[Lancs Harp]

Porto and Hanlon were still in their positions from the first phase, nothing to do with them, they had men. It was Gogic and Nisbet back door, Gogic being the defensive minded player should’ve had it sorted long before the ball came back in, then panicked and ended up in no mans land.

Agree to a degree Sam but should have been better managed. Why was a ten foot tall striker being defended by Gogic?

[hibbysam]

If you get the chance to watxh it again you'll see Porteus is a good 2 yards off Mugabe. If the ball is played onto Mugabe Porteus would have been nowhere near him. Looks like Gogic misreads the ball and goes to cover Porto and leaves his man. Both played their part in conceding the goal but Gogic more so.

I’ve watched it multiple times. Porto is always in front of the Well player, Gogic is watching him, Nisbet is in behind with the scorer. Gogic then drops back onto the scorer and then forward onto the other player again. He’s the one that can see it all, if he’s worried about the first player then he needed to communicate.

[SChibs]

Agree to a degree Sam but should have been better managed. Why was a ten foot tall striker being defended by Gogic?

I think once the initial corner was cleared each player instinctively picked up a man and Gogic ended up with the big man. We don't concede many headers so best to put it behind us and enjoy the victory

[hibbysam]

Agree to a degree Sam but should have been better managed. Why was a ten foot tall striker being defended by Gogic?

I’m not sure as I’ve not seen a replay of the phase prior to it, just from the final ball in. Gogic was marking Mugabe for the second goal as well though so presuming it was something that was decided pre game.

[Northernhibee]

I don’t think the defence was helped out by Gogic having a shocker. Part of the reason we were so vulnerable under Heckingbottom was we never replaced Bartley as a player to help our back four out.

[Silky]

I also think we miss Doidge in these situations. He's great at helping the defence out at set-pieces.

[SChibs]

Just seen it on sportscene. Nesbit should have given Gogic a shout and picked up the striker I think. Anyways, onwards and upwards 3 points in the bag

[Tyler Durden]

Agree to a degree Sam but should have been better managed. Why was a ten foot tall striker being defended by Gogic?

They’re both 6”1

Gogic had an all round shocker. Hopefully he makes it a one off but his position shouldn’t be guaranteed anyway. We don’t always need a defensive type in midfield.

[delbert]

Agree to a degree Sam but should have been better managed. Why was a ten foot tall striker being defended by Gogic?

Spot on, which is why the goals were down to the defence, Hanlon snd Porteous as our main central defenders should be picking up their biggest threats and organising that before the set piece is delivered, that’s what a good leader would do, neither took that responsibility and we got burned. The one defender in our squad who would have sorted that nonsense out was sitting on the bench, as usual under Ross !

[CMurdoch]

I also think we miss Doidge in these situations. He's great at helping the defence out at set-pieces.

Is the correct answer.
Last time we lost similar goals was in the League Cup Semi Final when..............Doidge didn't play.
He is very important to the way we defend set pieces.

[LaMotta]

Porto and Hanlon were still in their positions from the first phase, nothing to do with them, they had men. It was Gogic and Nisbet back door, Gogic being the defensive minded player should’ve had it sorted long before the ball came back in, then panicked and ended up in no mans land.

As Marvin Bartley said at half time though as soon as the ball goes wide Porto and Hanlon (as CH's) have to get back in the middle of the box. He was adamant they were at fault.

[hibbysam]

As Marvin Bartley said at half time though as soon as the ball goes wide Porto and Hanlon (as CH's) have to get back in the middle of the box. He was adamant they were at fault.

Easier to say when standing watching on a screen and not in the middle of a game, trying to move 4 players around when not knowing how quickly the ball will be recycled. What if those two make a beeline for the middle of the goals and the wide man slips the boy in that Hanlon was marking? This place would go into meltdown!

[AK86]

Big Daz will get a run out next week. He is still such an important player for us , but we have to use him sparingly.
I really don’t think we have a major problem regarding defending headers. That was probably the only two headers they won all game.

[hibbysam]

Big Daz will get a run out next week. He is still such an important player for us , but we have to use him sparingly.
I really don’t think we have a major problem regarding defending headers. That was probably the only two headers they won all game.

He won’t. That back four will stay the same until a new left back comes in, and rightly so.

[FilipinoHibs]

My son's primary school team mark better at corners than Hibs.

[AK86]

My son's primary school team mark better at corners than Hibs.
I very much doubt that. We didn’t lose a goal all last season from a header from a corner .

[JammyDoidger]

I noticed at the first porto and Hanlon were dragged to mark men on the right hand side of the box. With nisbet and gogic left in the middle. Surely make sense to pass men on and have one centre half at least in the middle of the box. Captain should notice that for me. He's plenty experience.

[Smartie]

I noticed at the first porto and Hanlon were dragged to mark men on the right hand side of the box. With nisbet and gogic left in the middle. Surely make sense to pass men on and have one centre half at least in the middle of the box. Captain should notice that for me. He's plenty experience.

Part of a specific Motherwell tactic, possibly?

[Crunchie]

As Marvin Bartley said at half time though as soon as the ball goes wide Porto and Hanlon (as CH's) have to get back in the middle of the box. He was adamant they were at fault.
I'd tend to agree with him, hopefully they learn from it but Hanlon as captain has to do better at organising imo, he ends up with a birds eye view of both goals and marking no one.

[SChibs]

I'd tend to agree with him, hopefully they learn from it but Hanlon as captain has to do better at organising imo, he ends up with a birds eye view of both goals and marking no one.

Hes clearly marking a man at the first goal

[Crunchie]

Hes clearly marking a man at the first goal
He's dragged well out of position and left in no mans land, there's not a player on either side within yards of him when their player heads that ball into the net.

[Since90+2]

People seem to want to criticize Hanlon even when he's not at fault for goals we've conceded.

[Crunchie]

People seem to want to criticize Hanlon even when he's not at fault for goals we've conceded.
If Marvin can bring himself to do it I'm sure there's something in it :greengrin.

We won the game so it doesn't really matter but we have to get defending at set pieces sorted out and sharpish if yesterday was anything to go by.

As captain and CH I'd say he was open to criticism on this one :aok:

[Since90+2]

If Marvin can bring himself to do it I'm sure there's something in it :greengrin.

We won the game so it doesn't really matter but we have to get defending at set pieces sorted out and sharpish if yesterday was anything to go by.

As captain and CH I'd say he was open to criticism on this one :aok:

We never conceded a single headed goal in the league last season. That suggests to me we are generally pretty good at defending corners and set pieces.

As captain and CH Hanlon deserves massive credit for achieving that.

[Crunchie]

We never conceded a single headed goal in the league last season. That suggests to me we are generally pretty good at defending corners and set pieces.

As captain and CH Hanlon deserves massive credit for achieving that.
No arguments there :aok: here's hoping we don't concede another :aok:

[Since90+2]

No arguments there :aok: here's hoping we don't concede another :aok:

I'm sure we will. It's a part of the game, every team in the world concedes headers. Though over the last 12 months we concede less than almost every other team.

[AlbertK86]

If you want to point a finger for both 'Well goals look no further than Gogic.

Great cross for the first but the lad had a free header. Got to be better organised than that, Gogic trying (not very well) to cope with a lad who is 10 foot tall and our two centre baks nowhere to be seen.

We can still get a result out of this.

And gave both the free kicks away that led to goals.
None of them were what you would call good fouls as there was no imminent danger.
There are a crazy amount of goals come from set pieces these days. Can’t afford to give away needless free kicks.

Like him for certain games but we improved dramatically when he went off.

Magennis and JDH both much better on the ball yesterday.


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[Brightside]

He's dragged well out of position and left in no mans land, there's not a player on either side within yards of him when their player heads that ball into the net.

He was man marking a player from the first phase. You really need to start watching games rather than looking for reasons to slag a player. Marvin was wrong in his analysis.

[AlbertK86]

I noticed at the first porto and Hanlon were dragged to mark men on the right hand side of the box. With nisbet and gogic left in the middle. Surely make sense to pass men on and have one centre half at least in the middle of the box. Captain should notice that for me. He's plenty experience.

Agree


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[Crunchie]

He was man marking a player from the first phase. You really need to start watching games rather than looking for reasons to slag a player. Marvin was wrong in his analysis.
I admire your belief in your own expertise, but have a word lol.

[hibbysam]

He was man marking a player from the first phase. You really need to start watching games rather than looking for reasons to slag a player. Marvin was wrong in his analysis.

And the men they are picking up would be specific tactics sorted pre game. Players don’t just go around changing men within games when it’s already sorted. What we needed is guys, who aren’t small btw, doing their job and not losing their men.

[Since90+2]

I admire your belief in your own expertise, but have a word lol.

What they've said is exactly correct.

[Crunchie]

What they've said is exactly correct.
It's all about opinions no one gets it exactly correct. I'm not conceited enough to think I'm ever exactly correct but I do have an opinion and think I'm correct on this one.

[Key West]

It's all about opinions no one gets it exactly correct. I'm not conceited enough to think I'm ever exactly correct but I do have an opinion and think I'm correct on this one.


Apart from me.

[Brightside]

It's all about opinions no one gets it exactly correct. I'm not conceited enough to think I'm ever exactly correct but I do have an opinion and think I'm correct on this one.

I’m not conceited I’m just right. 👍

[007]

My son's primary school team mark better at corners than Hibs.

Ross Out!

FilipinoHibs' son's primary school's coach in!

[greenlex]

Gogic had a shocker yesterday but we are better team defensively with him in the team than not. He’s earned a bit of slack IMO. Certainly doesn’t need replaced. Same for the two centre backs. More worried about McGinn at right back who was superb last season but has had a poor start so far. Having said that he’s also plenty in the bank.

[Fergus52]

Gogic had a shocker yesterday but we are better team defensively with him in the team than not. He’s earned a bit of slack IMO. Certainly doesn’t need replaced. Same for the two centre backs. More worried about McGinn at right back who was superb last season but has had a poor start so far. Having said that he’s also plenty in the bank.

I'm not sure that's true.

Newell makes more tackles and interceptions, and a midfield three of say Magennis JDH Newell, for example, will keep the ball much better meaning the other team will have less possession and create less chances.

After that performance yesterday Gogic should be benched for a couple of weeks imo. Unless Ross wants him to counter any specific threat Rijeka might have in attacking midfield.

[Key West]

Gogic had a shocker yesterday but we are better team defensively with him in the team than not. He’s earned a bit of slack IMO. Certainly doesn’t need replaced. Same for the two centre backs. More worried about McGinn at right back who was superb last season but has had a poor start so far. Having said that he’s also plenty in the bank.

Gogic and McGinn were well below the standards they've both set, it happens. Gogic needs to cut out the rash petty fouls and subsequently the bookings he picks up and unnecessary free kicks that give the opposition chances on the cheap.
McGinn was steady last year, a good honest pro but another who can be rash and untidy at times.

[worcesterhibby]

I also think we miss Doidge in these situations. He's great at helping the defence out at set-pieces.

This :agree:

[LaMotta]

Easier to say when standing watching on a screen and not in the middle of a game, trying to move 4 players around when not knowing how quickly the ball will be recycled. What if those two make a beeline for the middle of the goals and the wide man slips the boy in that Hanlon was marking? This place would go into meltdown!


Hes clearly marking a man at the first goal


What they've said is exactly correct.

No offence guys but I'm going to trust Bartley on this one.:cb

[147lothian]

If Doige is not in the starting line-up with his ability to defend set pieces then Daz has to get a start IMO

[Crunchie]

He was man marking a player from the first phase. You really need to start watching games rather than looking for reasons to slag a player. Marvin was wrong in his analysis.
I watched the full game again on Hibstv, I suggest you do the same. His initial header from the first phase is very poor giving it straight back to Motherwell he's then caught like a rabbit in the headlights looking on as they score.

[Brightside]

I watched the full game again on Hibstv, I suggest you do the same. His initial header from the first phase is very poor giving it straight back to Motherwell he's then caught like a rabbit in the headlights looking on as they score.

You are wrong. But I realise it’s a waste of time talking about this with you. Enjoy your day.

[Crunchie]

You are wrong. But I realise it’s a waste of time talking about this with you. Enjoy your day.
You too buddy :aok: we're all entitled to an opinion, including Tam McManus who blamed him too :greengrin . At the end of the day it's all good and we won, I hope he gets back to his exceptional best for the next game :greengrin

[Brightside]

You too buddy :aok: we're all entitled to an opinion, including Tam McManus who blamed him too :greengrin . At the end of the day it's all good and we won, I hope he gets back to his exceptional best for the next game :greengrin

Thanks. My dug knows more about football than Tam so that’s confirmed it for me. 😂👍

[Crunchie]

Thanks. My dug knows more about football than Tam so that’s confirmed it for me. 😂👍
:faf:

[superfurryhibby]

Just watched the goals again and my view is that Gogic was poor for both goals. Yes, Porto and Hanlon were dragged out of position for the first, that's the nature of the game, it's dynamic and things happen in flashes. There were two guys marking two opponents in the middle and Gogic was weak. For the second , it's one of those things, but I'm sure Gogic will have thought he could have done more.

I've not heard what Bartley or McManus said, but I'll trust my own eyes on this one. As has been said, it's all about opinions, except those opinions when it become all about berating certain players for the sake of it.

[LaMotta]

Just watched the goals again and my view is that Gogic was poor for both goals. Yes, Porto and Hanlon were dragged out of position for the first, that's the nature of the game, it's dynamic and things happen in flashes. There were two guys marking two opponents in the middle and Gogic was weak. For the second , it's one of those things, but I'm sure Gogic will have thought he could have done more.

I've not heard what Bartley or McManus said, but I'll trust my own eyes on this one. As has been said, it's all about opinions, except those opinions when it become all about berating certain players for the sake of it.

Nobody is berating players for the sake of it. Gogic was weak but that doesnt mean others cant be looked at too as Porto and Hanlon should be.

Bartley has 15 years pro experience in the game as well as numerous coaching badges. Why should people ignore his views over what you saw with "your own eyes"?

[hibbysam]

Nobody is berating players for the sake of it. Gogic was weak but that doesnt mean others cant be looked at too as Porto and Hanlon should be.

Bartley has 15 years pro experience in the game as well as numerous coaching badges. Why should people ignore his views over what you saw with "your own eyes"?

Bartley has no idea what Hibs’ tactics were, how we were to set up from set pieces etc. Hanlon won the first header on the back foot which took him out towards the side of the box, the ball was whipped in around 5 seconds later, and headed in at the far post. Anyone who expects him and Porteous to leave men where they are positioned and swap over with Gogic and Nisbet, within 5 seconds are at it for me.

[brog]

Nobody is berating players for the sake of it. Gogic was weak but that doesnt mean others cant be looked at too as Porto and Hanlon should be.

Bartley has 15 years pro experience in the game as well as numerous coaching badges. Why should people ignore his views over what you saw with "your own eyes"?


Hmmm, I give you Terry Butcher!

[Brightside]

Bartley has no idea what Hibs’ tactics were, how we were to set up from set pieces etc. Hanlon won the first header on the back foot which took him out towards the side of the box, the ball was whipped in around 5 seconds later, and headed in at the far post. Anyone who expects him and Porteous to leave men where they are positioned and swap over with Gogic and Nisbet, within 5 seconds are at it for me.

This is spot on. What Bartley said about having both CBs in the box would be fine if they started there in that phase. They didn’t. Hanlon was wider on the right man marking. He then can’t just run away from his man and head back to the box. That’s just daft. Marvs comments were in real time also. Id like to hear his views once he gets more time to review the play. If he still thinks he is right then I hope we don’t take him on as a defensive coach in future.

[LaMotta]

Bartley has no idea what Hibs’ tactics were, how we were to set up from set pieces etc. Hanlon won the first header on the back foot which took him out towards the side of the box, the ball was whipped in around 5 seconds later, and headed in at the far post. Anyone who expects him and Porteous to leave men where they are positioned and swap over with Gogic and Nisbet, within 5 seconds are at it for me.

You've got no idea what Hibs tactics are either then. :wink:

Hanlon has at least the excuse of tracking a man, but Porto is in total no mans land when the ball is being whipped in. Goals are generally scored from in front of the posts.

Are you one of these guys that shouts "man each" at fives?

[LaMotta]

Hmmm, I give you Terry Butcher!

:greengrin

Do you think Marv and McManus are wrong on this?

[hibbysam]

You've got no idea what Hibs tactics are either then. :wink:

Hanlon has at least the excuse of tracking a man, but Porto is in total no mans land when the ball is being whipped in. Goals are generally scored from in front of the posts.

Are you one of these guys that shouts "man each" at fives?

Porteous gets himself back to the near post, Gogic is big enough and ugly enough to do his own defending without needing help from his centre halves. He left the scorer. All blame lies at his door.

[LaMotta]

Porteous gets himself back to the near post, Gogic is big enough and ugly enough to do his own defending without needing help from his centre halves. He left the scorer. All blame lies at his door.

If you say so:aok:

[007]

Thanks. My dug knows more about football than Tam so that’s confirmed it for me. 😂👍

You should get your dug to do your posting on here. 😀
Just joking, I disagree with Bartley and Tam and agree with you.

Porteous and Hanlon were covering men in the area where the free kick was played into and actually Hanlon won the header. A Motherwell player picked it up and, as has been said earlier in this thread, Hanlon couldn't leave his man because it would have left open an easy through ball. No way was it Hanlon's fault. It was down to Nisbet and Gogic. Van Veen was Gogic's man but to be fair to Gogic, there were 2 Motherwell players there when the ball was crossed and Nisbet was picking up neither of them having been on Van Veen moments earlier. Gogic had picked up Van Veen from Nisbet but as the ball was crossed he went to cover the other Motherwell player leaving Van Veen a free header. He made a split second decision which was unfortunately the wrong one.

As has also been said, we missed Doidge's defensive abilities in our own box. I reckon he'd have at the very least been challenging and making it very difficult for Van Veen.

[superfurryhibby]

Porteous gets himself back to the near post, Gogic is big enough and ugly enough to do his own defending without needing help from his centre halves. He left the scorer. All blame lies at his door.

That is exactly how I see it.

[LaMotta]

You should get your dug to do your posting on here. 😀
Just joking, I disagree with Bartley and Tam and agree with you.

Porteous and Hanlon were covering men in the area where the free kick was played into and actually Hanlon won the header. A Motherwell player picked it up and, as has been said earlier in this thread, Hanlon couldn't leave his man because it would have left open and easy through ball. No way was it Hanlon's fault. It was down to Nisbet and Gogic. Van Veen was Gogic's man but to be fair to Gogic, there were 2 Motherwell players there when the ball was crossed and Nisbet was picking up neither of them having been on Van Veen moments earlier. Gogic had picked up Van Veen from Nisbet but as the ball was crossed he went to cover the other Motherwell player leaving Van Veen a free header. He made a split second decision which was unfortunately the wrong one.

As has also been said, we missed Doidge's defensive abilities in our own box. I reckon he'd have at the very least been challenging and making it very difficult for Van Veen.

When the ball goes wide the most obvious next move is the cross. It could go back inside to Hanlon's "man" but seems unlikely and if it did he is running away from goal, facing the wrong way.

Hanlon gets dragged out and too close to a man who isnt in a particularly dangerous area in terms of scoring. He should be retreating to the middle as Bartley suggests with Porto doing likewise. IF the ball does go to the man on the corner of the box Hanlon still has time to get out and close him.

I agree Gogic is mainly at fault, but totally agree with Bartley and McManus that CH's should and could have been more central.

[superfurryhibby]

Porto and Hanlon were still in their positions from the first phase, nothing to do with them, they had men. It was Gogic and Nisbet back door, Gogic being the defensive minded player should’ve had it sorted long before the ball came back in, then panicked and ended up in no mans land.

This pretty much says all that needs said.


I noticed at the first porto and Hanlon were dragged to mark men on the right hand side of the box. With nisbet and gogic left in the middle. Surely make sense to pass men on and have one centre half at least in the middle of the box. Captain should notice that for me. He's plenty experience.

Apportioning blame erroneously .


I'd tend to agree with him, hopefully they learn from it but Hanlon as captain has to do better at organising imo, he ends up with a birds eye view of both goals and marking no one.

See the first quote for an explanation.


He's dragged well out of position and left in no mans land, there's not a player on either side within yards of him when their player heads that ball into the net.

Yes, see below.


Just watched the goals again and my view is that Gogic was poor for both goals. Yes, Porto and Hanlon were dragged out of position for the first, that's the nature of the game, it's dynamic and things happen in flashes. There were two guys marking two opponents in the middle and Gogic was weak. For the second , it's one of those things, but I'm sure Gogic will have thought he could have done more.

I've not heard what Bartley or McManus said, but I'll trust my own eyes on this one. As has been said, it's all about opinions, except those opinions when it become all about berating certain players for the sake of it.

What else can one trust but what one sees?



Nobody is berating players for the sake of it. Gogic was weak but that doesnt mean others cant be looked at too as Porto and Hanlon should be.

Bartley has 15 years pro experience in the game as well as numerous coaching badges. Why should people ignore his views over what you saw with "your own eyes"?

See above, I think there's a wee bit berating going on.


When the ball goes wide the most obvious next move is the cross. It could go back inside to Hanlon's "man" but seems unlikely and if it did he is running away from goal, facing the wrong way.

Hanlon gets dragged out and too close to a man who isn't in a particularly dangerous area in terms of scoring. He should be retreating to the middle as Bartley suggests with Porto doing likewise. IF the ball does go to the man on the corner of the box Hanlon still has time to get out and close him.

I agree Gogic is mainly at fault, but totally agree with Bartley and McManus that CH's should and could have been more central.

Can you explain how they stay more central whilst responding to the passage of play that took place, kind of baffled by this?

Gogic is a big strapping lad, he's played centre half and he has a man to mark. Both he and Nisbet didn't cover themselves in glory. Neither centre half was to blame for the first or second goal.

[hibbysam]

When the ball goes wide the most obvious next move is the cross. It could go back inside to Hanlon's "man" but seems unlikely and if it did he is running away from goal, facing the wrong way.

Hanlon gets dragged out and too close to a man who isnt in a particularly dangerous area in terms of scoring. He should be retreating to the middle as Bartley suggests with Porto doing likewise. IF the ball does go to the man on the corner of the box Hanlon still has time to get out and close him.

I agree Gogic is mainly at fault, but totally agree with Bartley and McManus that CH's should and could have been more central.

Hanlons man isn’t a danger? If he left him to mark between the posts as you wanted, he would be left 16 yards from goal, one touch and he’d have a free shot. He wasn’t wide, he was just outside the near side of the 6 yard box at time of delivery. Any half decent player would get a strike on target from that position, Hanlon had to stay where he was.

[LaMotta]

Hanlons man isn’t a danger? If he left him to mark between the posts as you wanted, he would be left 16 yards from goal, one touch and he’d have a free shot. He wasn’t wide, he was just outside the near side of the 6 yard box at time of delivery. Any half decent player would get a strike on target from that position, Hanlon had to stay where he was.

24945

Hanlon could easily be a few yards back towards the centre, Porto def should. The pass to Hanlon's man is so unlikely, even if he does get it there he has a lot to do.

[hibbysam]

24945

You do realise the left back isn’t anywhere near the ball at that point, fast forward a second and Hanlons man is more towards the edge of the box, on the half turn, and would have an easy pass to him, an easy touch, and a strike at goal from 16 yards if Hanlon isn’t there.

[LaMotta]

You do realise the left back isn’t anywhere near the ball at that point, fast forward a second and Hanlons man is more towards the edge of the box, on the half turn, and would have an easy pass to him, an easy touch, and a strike at goal from 16 yards if Hanlon isn’t there.

Your screenshot just confirms that both Hanlon and Porto are both in no mans land.

Anyway we will never agree, we won, so all good:greengrin

[hibbysam]

Your screenshot just confirms that both Hanlon and Porto are both in no mans land.

Anyway we will never agree, we won, so all good:greengrin

Screenshot confirms Hanlon is still marking the man he always was, while also in position to clear any low front post balls. You want him to be ‘a couple of yards back’ which would make absolutely zero difference seeing as the scorer is a 15 yards away and Porteous is standing behind him.

[LaMotta]

Screenshot confirms Hanlon is still marking the man he always was, while also in position to clear any low front post balls. You want him to be ‘a couple of yards back’ which would make absolutely zero difference seeing as the scorer is a 15 yards away and Porteous is standing behind him.

I agree with Bartley and McManus. I'll say no more.:aok:

[USAHibee]

It's funny watching games nowadays, everyone asks who's to blame as soon as the ball hits the net, can't remember thinking anything like that back in the day unless it was a glaring error..