Permanent ban from all football grounds for racist abuse on and off social media

[SHODAN]

Petition now reached a million signatures in a matter of days.

All for it tbh.

[Tambo]

Do half of these idiots even go to games though?

Unfortunately racism will always exist in the world.

[Newry Hibs]

Looking at some reports of the breakdown of where these messages originate from - very few are from the UK (unless they have the brains to use VPNs).

Of those that are, I would doubt many actually go to matches.

Bit of an empty gesture tbh.

Before anyone says it - one message is one too many.

[oneone73]

I don't like the idea of inferring racism is football's problem. It's endemic throughout society.

[hibee]

I don't like the idea of inferring racism is football's problem. It's endemic throughout society.

Agree with this, I’ve certainly not witnessed more racism at football than in any other setting so to make out it’s a football only problem surely won’t target the bigger issue.

It’s all very well saying they will ban fans but how many of these people use their own name or don’t use a VPN.

Maybe Twitter etc should require ID before allowing you to sign up, of course that will never happen as it would impact on their massive profits.

[Bostonhibby]

I don't like the idea of inferring racism is football's problem. It's endemic throughout society.I agree with this, the two biggest racist bellends I encounter pop up at any major English sporting event or occasion.

They are loud, not very bright no Mark's in life but have become a bit more vocal and emboldened in recent years. I do not believe they represent the majority of people I live amongst at all but paying lip service to dealing with, or encouraging this type of false nationalism is a dangerous road to go down.

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[CentreLine]

I don't like the idea of inferring racism is football's problem. It's endemic throughout society.

Totally agree. But it has to start somewhere and if they would only recognise bigotry for what it is then we might start to get somewhere.

[CMurdoch]

Agree with this, I’ve certainly not witnessed more racism at football than in any other setting so to make out it’s a football only problem surely won’t target the bigger issue.

It’s all very well saying they will ban fans but how many of these people use their own name or don’t use a VPN.

Maybe Twitter etc should require ID before allowing you to sign up, of course that will never happen as it would impact on their massive profits.

The highlighted section above is basically the bottom line.
No point in daft petitions for side issues.
As we have seen with the pandemic, all that anyone seems to really care about is money so it won't be sorted until the authorities and tech companies are forced into ID'ing posters.

[brog]

I don't like the idea of inferring racism is football's problem. It's endemic throughout society.

Absolutely, racism is racism. These morons don't become nice people when they're not at football. They're racists, that's it.

[Dalianwanda]

Do half of these idiots even go to games though?

Unfortunately racism will always exist in the world.

Does that really matter? Where ever it shows it's face it's still racism. It might not be an educator and it may not effect those who are perpetrators but having something is better than having nothing.

Its not just a football thing but this its easier for the authorities to pt the blame on one area when its really a societal problem as has already been mentioned so many times.

[Andy74]

I don’t think racism was prevalent in football in recent years.

Putting aside the social media aspect we were at the stage where racist incidents were a thing of the past in football grounds, other than isolated incidents which you will tend to get from time to time. I think the vast majority of fans were at the point that if they head a moron in the crowd make a comment it would be commented on and hopefully acted upon. There were issues still to be fully resolved in representation at coaching and decisions making levels but that was something that was being worked on and of course, much more to do.

Certainly widespread sectarianism and homophobic chants (like the Hibees are gay chants) have been much more common at games themselves.

I personally think football and the likes of Sky choosing to go hugely into the anti racism campaigns has made it worse within the game.

I get the fact it is well intentioned, I get that people in the limelight should take a stand and I get that the focus is intended to keep it front of mind, but I also don’t think that there’s any doubt that, for football, it isn’t working and it seems to be having the opposite effect. I think being constantly told there is a problem has created a bigger one.

The social media aspect is undoubtedly the place this needs to be resolved and that isn’t in any way unique to football.

[Brightside]

Its very odd to put it all around football. It happens to every one in the public eye - not just footballers.

[AgentDaleCooper]

I don’t think racism was prevalent in football in recent years.

Putting aside the social media aspect we were at the stage where racist incidents were a thing of the past in football grounds, other than isolated incidents which you will tend to get from time to time. I think the vast majority of fans were at the point that if they head a moron in the crowd make a comment it would be commented on and hopefully acted upon. There were issues still to be fully resolved in representation at coaching and decisions making levels but that was something that was being worked on and of course, much more to do.

Certainly widespread sectarianism and homophobic chants (like the Hibees are gay chants) have been much more common at games themselves.

I personally think football and the likes of Sky choosing to go hugely into the anti racism campaigns has made it worse within the game.

I get the fact it is well intentioned, I get that people in the limelight should take a stand and I get that the focus is intended to keep it front of mind, but I also don’t think that there’s any doubt that, for football, it isn’t working and it seems to be having the opposite effect. I think being constantly told there is a problem has created a bigger one.

The social media aspect is undoubtedly the place this needs to be resolved and that isn’t in any way unique to football.

Your perception of the problem, or lack there of, is entirely (i'm guessing) based on your own experience. It's really worth reading/listening to what folk like Akala have to say on the matter to appreciate the nature of the problem. 'Natives' (by Akala) is an absolutely brilliant book that expertly marries personal testimony with empirical evidence.

IMO, the upsurge of racism since the BLM/knee taking business isn't a sign that these campaigns are making the problem worse - they just demonstrate how much latent racism there is in society that we don't experience as white people. Challenge that racism head on, and the racists come out the woodwork.

[The Tubs]

Johnson wants to ban himself. Probably his best idea.

[lord bunberry]

Marvin Bartley was on newsnight last night and he said that social media companies should be fined for any racist abuse, if they refuse to have proper id checks on people signing up then it’s hard to disagree with him.

[JimBHibees]

Marvin Bartley was on newsnight last night and he said that social media companies should be fined for any racist abuse, if they refuse to have proper id checks on people signing up then it’s hard to disagree with him.

Assuming governments are still able to pass laws on this kind of stuff to encourage social media companies to act in certain ways? Seems odd ours are reluctant to do so. Is this a worldwide problem or have there been countries who have tried to actually do something about it?

[MrSmith]

In my opinion, Brexit has brought racism to the forefront and given the NF and related groups UKIP, EDL, Brexit Party etc, an in to political circles and circumstance they weren’t previously part of. The majority of these white empowered racists and xenophobes are basking in the glorious win that was Brexit while peddling their hatred to anyone who will listen. All aided by British Media.

[JimBHibees]

In my opinion, Brexit has brought racism to the forefront and given the NF and related groups UKIP, EDL, Brexit Party etc, an in to political circles and circumstance they weren’t previously part of. The majority of these white empowered racists and xenophobes are basking in the glorious win that was Brexit.

Yep ably supported by the billionaire media moguls only too willing to set the agenda.

[Chorley Hibee]

A problem that the recent UK government has helped cultivate, now, once again, being cast as a football problem.

Is there a similar petition demanding racists aren't allowed to assume office in government?

That would be a more important step.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Yep ably supported by the billionaire media moguls only too willing to set the agenda.




"whoever controls the media, controls the mind"


- Jim Morrison

[The Baldmans Comb]

A very good idea and something I hope the English government takes on board.

There has been a wonderful counter backlash against the racism that the English players cruelly sufferred and now is a perfect opportunity for their country's government to maintain the momentum.

[He's here!]

Seems well intentioned but logistically all but impossible to implement effectively. How many of these online morons even live in the UK let alone attend football matches? Sport's being used as a vehicle by these people to give racism a platform. I doubt many would give two hoots about a football ban. It's the companies which own these platforms who need to do more to ban these users from posting.

[gbhibby]

I don't like the idea of inferring racism is football's problem. It's endemic throughout society.
Tom English on the radio said he was walking to a rugby match and said he heard more racist and sexist comments than he has ever encountered going to football. Was watching a guy on TV who tracks down the people who made racist comments online and found they were made by well educated people in professional jobs. Racism and bigotry has no place in a modern society.

[lord bunberry]

Assuming governments are still able to pass laws on this kind of stuff to encourage social media companies to act in certain ways? Seems odd ours are reluctant to do so. Is this a worldwide problem or have there been countries who have tried to actually do something about it?
I’ve genuinely no idea. I’m sure if a country insisted on it the social media companies could implement it.

[Andy74]

Your perception of the problem, or lack there of, is entirely (i'm guessing) based on your own experience. It's really worth reading/listening to what folk like Akala have to say on the matter to appreciate the nature of the problem. 'Natives' (by Akala) is an absolutely brilliant book that expertly marries personal testimony with empirical evidence.

IMO, the upsurge of racism since the BLM/knee taking business isn't a sign that these campaigns are making the problem worse - they just demonstrate how much latent racism there is in society that we don't experience as white people. Challenge that racism head on, and the racists come out the woodwork.

I’m talking about racism in football grounds and I guess in the wider game in terms of those playing in it and accessing it.

I’m sure there had still been some racism experienced through the levels but the days of widespread chanting, players like Walters experiencing what they did in Scotland and so on were largely a thing of the past.

I don’t really buy that the campaigns have just show a light on what was there. Man Utd said recently that racist activity across their channels had increased 80% in 18 months. We are getting active booing, for whatever reason, of people taking the knee. The issue has been spectacularly brought back into football in a real and active sense.

[badabing67]

This is a link to the petition for anyone that couldn't find it

https://www.change.org/p/football-association-and-oliver-dowden-sec-of-state-dcms-pm-boris-johnson-ban-racists-for-life-from-all-football-matches-in-england

[Block]

Tom English on the radio said he was walking to a rugby match and said he heard more racist and sexist comments than he has ever encountered going to football. Was watching a guy on TV who tracks down the people who made racist comments online and found they were made by well educated people in professional jobs. Racism and bigotry has no place in a modern society.'

Can Tom English ever be taken seriously again after his pro Jambo 2020 shambles. Could be lies to keep himself relevant. Why would rugby fans on the way to rugby matches be openly racist?

Sounds like made up madness for his Jambo Queen Anns sake.

I've been going to ER for over 45 years and never once heard racist remarks. I doubt Jambo Tom English has heard any on the way to Rugger either.

Dearie me.

[Myweebruv]

In my opinion, Brexit has brought racism to the forefront and given the NF and related groups UKIP, EDL, Brexit Party etc, an in to political circles and circumstance they weren’t previously part of. The majority of these white empowered racists and xenophobes are basking in the glorious win that was Brexit while peddling their hatred to anyone who will listen. All aided by British Media.

What a load of Remoaner tripe!

[MrSmith]

What a load of Remoaner tripe!

A bit of an explanation inclusive of evidence would help your bold statement.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Do half of these idiots even go to games though?

Unfortunately racism will always exist in the world.

Some of them unfortunately run the uk :/

[Viva_Palmeiras]

24888
What a load of Remoaner tripe!

[Brizo]

'

Can Tom English ever be taken seriously again after his pro Jambo 2020 shambles. Could be lies to keep himself relevant. Why would rugby fans on the way to rugby matches be openly racist?

Sounds like made up madness for his Jambo Queen Anns sake.

I've been going to ER for over 45 years and never once heard racist remarks. I doubt Jambo Tom English has heard any on the way to Rugger either.

Dearie me.

Agree with most of that but surprised at the bit I've highlighted. I've not heard a lot but have heard the odd racist comment down the years and one blatantly racist song in pubs home and away. Maybe I've just been unlucky.

On the bigger issue, while any action is positive action and a momentum is building that needs to be maintained, FBOs for online abuse will only be a deterrent to the racists who actually go to games. For the armchair racists stronger action is needed and I have my doubts that there is enough commitment on the part of this Government to actively challenge the social media behemoths.

[gbhibby]

'

Can Tom English ever be taken seriously again after his pro Jambo 2020 shambles. Could be lies to keep himself relevant. Why would rugby fans on the way to rugby matches be openly racist?

Sounds like made up madness for his Jambo Queen Anns sake.

I've been going to ER for over 45 years and never once heard racist remarks. I doubt Jambo Tom English has heard any on the way to Rugger either.

Dearie me.
He was talking about it on radio in a debate on racism in football and was highlighting it as not only a football problem but a problem in society. I have been going to games for 53 years and still hear racist comments from our own supporters during games. There is a problem in society with racism in society and these incidents after the Euro final did not come as a shock to me. The Brexit vote became a vote on immigration and look at the mess we are in now.
I was not surprised when Tom English mentioned the rugby fan comments on Rugby fans as I have heard racist comments from Rugby fans

[MrSmith]

I find it odd he mentioned rugby because as well as attending the national team games I have been supporting the Edinburgh Rugby team for around 10 years and never heard any racist comments at all. It could just be the company I keep but have been in and around the clubhouse after games and have found it very inclusive and welcoming to all.

[gbhibby]

I find it odd he mentioned rugby because as well as attending the national team games I have been supporting the Edinburgh Rugby team for around 10 years and never heard any racist comments at all. It could just be the company I keep but have been in and around the clubhouse after games and have found it very inclusive and welcoming to all.
One racist comment is one too many. I have heard rugby fans who were tanked up on the way to a match make racist comments. I don't think rugby fans are racist like I don't think football fans are racist. You are always in society going to have people with racist and bigoted views and social media is the perfect platform for them. You can introduce legislation but these people will always find a way to get around it.

[Myweebruv]

A bit of an explanation inclusive of evidence would help your bold statement.

The onus is on you to show evidence for your bold, left-wing, Brexit hypothesis.

[hibsbollah]

The onus is on you to show evidence for your bold, left-wing, Brexit hypothesis.

Because polling shows that people who favour Brexit are also more likely to agree whiteness is an English characteristic, be unsympathetic to refugees and the same pattern is followed across other European countries.

It’s possible to be eurosceptic and non racist, but it seems like all racists are eurosceptic.

[MrSmith]

The onus is on you to show evidence for your bold, left-wing, Brexit hypothesis.

nah mate, you made your bold statement and like every other brexiteer, has nothing to say nor add.

[PolmontHibby]

Wow some interesting political comments on this thread, and the less said the better about that.

Back to the original post, I agree with OP that anyone posting racist abuse should be banned, but would extend it to printed media and homophobia - which would of course capture in many ways the UK PM.

[Tommy75]

I don't think anyone will be upset to see racists banned from football grounds. My only concern is that the media and government seem to be creating a narrative that racism is a football problem when it is a societal problem. If an individual is found guilty of racially abusing a footballer should they not be banned from all sporting grounds?

Lots of agreement that social media companies need to do more (verify users etc) and I agree. There is also a lot of discussion that the government ought to do more. How easy would it be for the government to instruct social media companies to add ID checks so posters can be traced. If the UK government for example put this in to law, would players still be at risk from online abuse from users abroad? Would it not require a global approach from all governments to impose the same restrictions on social media users?

I come at this as someone who doesn't use social media (unless hibs.net is classed as social media). On that note I still don't understand why players use social media as it is giving these organisations no incentive to change. There was a social media boycott a few months back which obviously achieved nothing. Stuff life Twitter, Facebook etc are just products that are clearly not up to standard. Surely if enough high profile players, high profile companies, celebrities etc cancelled their accounts indefinitely it would force these companies to change the way in which they operate. Consumers wouldn't keep using a product anywhere else in life that wasn't up to code.

I know folk will say that the racists will have won if people shut down their social media, but I do think the likes of Twitter will be forced to change their product if the most followed people on their platforms all shut down.

[jacomo]

In my opinion, Brexit has brought racism to the forefront and given the NF and related groups UKIP, EDL, Brexit Party etc, an in to political circles and circumstance they weren’t previously part of. The majority of these white empowered racists and xenophobes are basking in the glorious win that was Brexit while peddling their hatred to anyone who will listen. All aided by British Media.


:agree:

No doubt about it.

[EI255]

Sadly, because of the cave people and their racist views at football, unlikely we'll ever see alcohol allowed at grounds. It's hardly gonna improve the problem!

[He's here!]

Curiously I see Greater Manchester Police have released a statement saying the vandalism of the Rashford mural was 'not believed to be of a racial nature'.

Bearing in mind that virtually everyone who's anyone has condemned it as racist grafitti does anyone actually know what it said?

[hibee]

Curiously I see Greater Manchester Police have released a statement saying the vandalism of the Rashford mural was 'not believed to be of a racial nature'.

Bearing in mind that virtually everyone who's anyone has condemned it as racist grafitti does anyone actually know what it said?

There’s pictures available online, a few words and a picture of a male body part all painted in Man City blue, can’t really describe it better on here!

I was very confused by the racist claims so just assumed something else had been added after that but maybe not.

[neil7908]

Wow some interesting political comments on this thread, and the less said the better about that.

Back to the original post, I agree with OP that anyone posting racist abuse should be banned, but would extend it to printed media and homophobia - which would of course capture in many ways the UK PM.

Just what I thought. What a cheek BJ has given some of the stuff printed in his name.

[LustForLeith]

Banning people from football grounds doesn’t work and is impossible to impose on a regular basis.

People found guilty of making racist comments online get listed on a register for five years that employers and the like have access to. After seeing what the individual has said they can make a decision to employ them or not.

Sorted.

[hibee]

Banning people from football grounds doesn’t work and is impossible to impose on a regular basis.

People found guilty of making racist comments online get listed on a register for five years that employers and the like have access to. After seeing what the individual has said they can make a decision to employ them or not.

Sorted.

What if they’re the type of person that doesn’t want to work then that would be no punishment at all.

[Iggy Pope]

What if they’re the type of person that doesn’t want to work then that would be no punishment at all.

Cut their benefits. A poor racist is still a racist.
If they’re rich, fine them a suitable sum to knock a hole in their wealth.
Then jail them.

[Myweebruv]

nah mate, you made your bold statement and like every other brexiteer, has nothing to say nor add.

Your Brexit statement, like I said, was bold, without foundation or supporting evidence other than regurgitated narratives from Remoaners, Leftists, and wailing Pro EU Political Commentators who still refuse to accept the 2016 referendum result. The biased anti-British BBC actually implied and would have us believe that all 17.4 million Brexiteers were/are racists!!

[Block]

Cut their benefits. A poor racist is still a racist.
If they’re rich, fine them a suitable sum to knock a hole in their wealth.
Then jail them.

The Pope wouldn't countenance such a thing.

Iggy without a church ya cruel idiot.

The Church without repentance is not a Church.

Grow up ya pretender

Not a true Hi Bee in a million years ya radge. Pee off Iggy.

[Block]

I blame Hibs net. They're letting non football issues seep onto the real football threads for populism. Get a grip and let non football issues be retained for the Holy Ground or open up to be possibly sued in a court of law.

[1875godsgift]

I blame Hibs net. They're letting non football issues seep onto the real football threads for populism. Get a grip and let non football issues be retained for the Holy Ground or open up to be possibly sued in a court of law.


:faf:

[Myweebruv]

I blame Hibs net. They're letting non football issues seep onto the real football threads for populism. Get a grip and let non football issues be retained for the Holy Ground or open up to be possibly sued in a court of law.

I actually agree.
I apologise for getting a wee bit carried away with my political views.
I will desist from political posts and leave this thread.

[PolmontHibby]

Bloody hell..... been off here for a while as close season, are we part of the new GB News empire

[The Tubs]

Why do leftists always bring colour into every argument? Answer: It's all part of a strategy to create disharmony by pitting one race against another...to create a decoy, a ruse, a distraction....to turn attention away from the real agenda - the Marxist agenda. These same leftists deliberately label any one who dares challenge them as a racist, a Nazi or a far-right extremist - cancelling others who dare to counter their narrative. Of course individual racists exist, but the leftists, Antifa and BLM would have us believe that it is practically every single white person walking...and that systemic racism is a given (despite all the evidence in both the US and the UK as showing otherwise).
These same leftists don't want to hear the truth that "culture" trumps "racism" (systemic or otherwise) in deciding life outcomes for minority ethnic groups. Asian students in the US, for example, suffer racism, but their ingrained culture of studying hard, working hard, persevering and believing in themselves results in them out-performing not only other minority ethnic groups, but also their white counterparts in terms of academic success and increased life chances.



I don’t if I should suffer pity or rage after reading this. Anyone with even the most superficial understanding of the world we live in must see the racism that surrounds us everywhere. I know a year and a half of lockdown is long, but have you forgotten what it’s like out there ?

[MrSmith]

Why do leftists always bring colour into every argument? Answer: It's all part of a strategy to create disharmony by pitting one race against another...to create a decoy, a ruse, a distraction....to turn attention away from the real agenda - the Marxist agenda. These same leftists deliberately label any one who dares challenge them as a racist, a Nazi or a far-right extremist - cancelling others who dare to counter their narrative. Of course individual racists exist, but the leftists, Antifa and BLM would have us believe that it is practically every single white person walking...and that systemic racism is a given (despite all the evidence in both the US and the UK as showing otherwise).
These same leftists don't want to hear the truth that "culture" trumps "racism" (systemic or otherwise) in deciding life outcomes for minority ethnic groups. Asian students in the US, for example, suffer racism, but their ingrained culture of studying hard, working hard, persevering and believing in themselves results in them out-performing not only other minority ethnic groups, but also their white counterparts in terms of academic success and increased life chances.

thanks for clarifying your stance however, all I see and read in this is a far right Trump, Bannon and Farage style agenda laden propaganda leaflet. If you want to have far right views and be racist, fine as that is your choice but to label Marxism and lefties as the problem is naive and ignorant. Far right ideology persists in dumbing down education, facts and the key issues surrounding racism and remember this, racism is not just a black issue it is a people and cultural issue although it is abundantly clear, black people are suffering more from it. The Hijacking of words such as ‘woke’ & ‘snowflake’ by the right, is their way of pushing their hatred agenda.

Anyway, that’s me finished because we are all Hibees no matter our political preferences.

[LustForLeith]

Cut their benefits. A poor racist is still a racist.
If they’re rich, fine them a suitable sum to knock a hole in their wealth.
Then jail them.

That was my next answer!

[jacomo]

The onus is on you to show evidence for your bold, left-wing, Brexit hypothesis.


The evidence is overwhelming.

Reports of racist incidents rose massively in the immediate aftermath of the result and have stayed at a high level.

The Leave campaign itself played heavily on racist fears of immigrants… Farage’s infamous ‘enough is enough’ poster featured people queuing nowhere near the UK - as racist a trope as you can imagine.

Since Brexit the UK government has developed its ‘culture war’ strategy which includes targeting anyone perceived as insufficiently patriotic or English enough.

Where’s your counter argument?

[Lancs Harp]

The evidence is overwhelming.

Reports of racist incidents rose massively in the immediate aftermath of the result and have stayed at a high level.

The Leave campaign itself played heavily on racist fears of immigrants… Farage’s infamous ‘enough is enough’ poster featured people queuing nowhere near the UK - as racist a trope as you can imagine.

Since Brexit the UK government has developed its ‘culture war’ strategy which includes targeting anyone perceived as insufficiently patriotic or English enough.

Where’s your counter argument?

Bit too smplistic that for me mate. I voted to stay, I'm left wing in my politics but I still regard myself as English enough and proud to be so, as are many many others.

[jacomo]

Why do leftists always bring colour into every argument? Answer: It's all part of a strategy to create disharmony by pitting one race against another...to create a decoy, a ruse, a distraction....to turn attention away from the real agenda - the Marxist agenda. These same leftists deliberately label any one who dares challenge them as a racist, a Nazi or a far-right extremist - cancelling others who dare to counter their narrative. Of course individual racists exist, but the leftists, Antifa and BLM would have us believe that it is practically every single white person walking...and that systemic racism is a given (despite all the evidence in both the US and the UK as showing otherwise).
These same leftists don't want to hear the truth that "culture" trumps "racism" (systemic or otherwise) in deciding life outcomes for minority ethnic groups. Asian students in the US, for example, suffer racism, but their ingrained culture of studying hard, working hard, persevering and believing in themselves results in them out-performing not only other minority ethnic groups, but also their white counterparts in terms of academic success and increased life chances.


Having read this I now realise you have OD’d on the kool aid and are probably beyond help. You are now attacking the very people who aren’t responsible for society’s problems, at the behest of those who are.

I genuinely feel sorry for you. You’ve been totally hoodwinked and don’t even realise it.

[Iggy Pope]

The Pope wouldn't countenance such a thing.

Iggy without a church ya cruel idiot.

The Church without repentance is not a Church.

Grow up ya pretender

Not a true Hi Bee in a million years ya radge. Pee off Iggy.

Hic!
I’m not really the Pope mate. Shurely shome mishtake here.

[Myweebruv]

Having read this I now realise you have OD’d on the kool aid and are probably beyond help. You are now attacking the very people who aren’t responsible for society’s problems, at the behest of those who are.

I genuinely feel sorry for you. You’ve been totally hoodwinked and don’t even realise it.

:yawn:

[hibsbollah]

Bit too smplistic that for me mate. I voted to stay, I'm left wing in my politics but I still regard myself as English enough and proud to be so, as are many many others.

I don’t think anyone’s said that if you identify as English you are automatically racist or can’t be politically left wing. There’s just a clear link between voting Brexit and distrust of foreigners and notions of England as being white. That’s what a number of Brexit voters themselves have said they’re motivated by when asked. Which isn’t surprising because of the way the campaigning went. It’s not really a left/right issue.

[Bostonhibby]

I don’t think anyone’s said that if you identify as English you are automatically racist or can’t be politically left wing. There’s just a clear link between voting Brexit and distrust of foreigners and notions of England as being white. That’s what a number of Brexit voters themselves have said they’re motivated by when asked. Which isn’t surprising because of the way the campaigning went. It’s not really a left/right issue.

I definitely recognise the features that you mention in the community I live in, there have always been, and thankfully still are many, less vocal and more considerate who aren't like that down here.

It's just that the more unpleasant element mentioned have definitely become emboldened / been given a lead.

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[660]

:yawn:

Can you explain what 'Marxism' is

[MrSmith]

Can you explain what 'Marxism' is

unfortunately, you won’t get a reasonable response to this because that type of person is unable to logically analyse the reality of the wider picture other than their narrow point of view. It is a shame really and is the major reason I withdrew from social media.

hatred, ignorance and racism are unfortunate bi-products of brexit.

[Tambo]

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/mass-brawl-breaks-out-after-21120673.amp

Just come across this. Mass brawl at football match in Edinburgh after racial abuse.

[Lendo]

Why do leftists always bring colour into every argument? Answer: It's all part of a strategy to create disharmony by pitting one race against another...to create a decoy, a ruse, a distraction....to turn attention away from the real agenda - the Marxist agenda. These same leftists deliberately label any one who dares challenge them as a racist, a Nazi or a far-right extremist - cancelling others who dare to counter their narrative. Of course individual racists exist, but the leftists, Antifa and BLM would have us believe that it is practically every single white person walking...and that systemic racism is a given (despite all the evidence in both the US and the UK as showing otherwise).
These same leftists don't want to hear the truth that "culture" trumps "racism" (systemic or otherwise) in deciding life outcomes for minority ethnic groups. Asian students in the US, for example, suffer racism, but their ingrained culture of studying hard, working hard, persevering and believing in themselves results in them out-performing not only other minority ethnic groups, but also their white counterparts in terms of academic success and increased life chances.


This could be the foreword to a Mein Kampf sequel.

[Northernhibee]

Why do leftists always bring colour into every argument? Answer: It's all part of a strategy to create disharmony by pitting one race against another...to create a decoy, a ruse, a distraction....to turn attention away from the real agenda - the Marxist agenda. These same leftists deliberately label any one who dares challenge them as a racist, a Nazi or a far-right extremist - cancelling others who dare to counter their narrative. Of course individual racists exist, but the leftists, Antifa and BLM would have us believe that it is practically every single white person walking...and that systemic racism is a given (despite all the evidence in both the US and the UK as showing otherwise).
These same leftists don't want to hear the truth that "culture" trumps "racism" (systemic or otherwise) in deciding life outcomes for minority ethnic groups. Asian students in the US, for example, suffer racism, but their ingrained culture of studying hard, working hard, persevering and believing in themselves results in them out-performing not only other minority ethnic groups, but also their white counterparts in terms of academic success and increased life chances.

I’d highly recommend reading the book “Natives” by Akala. I think you’d find it enlightening.

[jgl07]

A bit of an explanation inclusive of evidence would help your bold statement.
Don’t hold your breath!

[Lendo]

I see the comments been deleted and the poster banned. Looked like he joined in July and only had 20 off posts. Wasn’t another member band in early July for the extreme right-wing nonsense? Assuming it’s the same boy using a different email.