Overly critical of our players?

[Greenio]

Wondering if it's true to say Hibs fans right now are more critical of our own players than other teams?

Recently Irvine was been deemed as contributing nothing, apparently Nesbit is nothing special and much better can easily be brought in, McGinn is 'average'. Folk were downing Porteous for a while there. Newall seems to be seen as a half a player by a lot of folk. And all in a season where we get our best league finish in years. Jack Ross doesnt escape it either.

I'm not stopping anyone having a moan, and I'm a firm believer in everyone's right to an opinion, esp when football is concerned. But out of what I hear/see from other fans, they do seem to get behind their players more.

Still pissed off from the cup final??

[Unseen work]

As I live in Aberdeen and know many of there supporters I would have to say it’s not just us.

They’ve slated many of their players, Rooney, Cosgrove, Jack etc etc and I was always in disbelief at how unhappy they seemed. It was the classic case of “all he does is score” or “he just passes it sideways or backwards”.

I think the majority of fans are over critical of players to the point I wonder how they can actually support a team where they dislike so many of them. I think some forget it’s Scottish football and players are going to be inconsistent for a variety of reasons and to be honest.

I actually think there’s not a lot between the majority of the teams and what separates you is either your set up like St Johnstone who defend for their lives, or us who have 1 or 2 capable of scoring consistently.

I’ve seen us criticised for signing another player from St Mirren and moans were after another Hamilton player as thats supposedly not good enough for where we should be. If they’re a good player they’re a good player, regardless of who the play for and I think overall Ross has got his signings spot on.

I’ve seen numerous players sign who seem more exciting - Mavrias, Nelom and a host of players from England who never seem to live up to the expectation and command a higher wage.

[hibee316]

Wondering if it's true to say Hibs fans right now are more critical of our own players than other teams?

Recently Irvine was been deemed as contributing nothing, apparently Nesbit is nothing special and much better can easily be brought in, McGinn is 'average'. Folk were downing Porteous for a while there. Newall seems to be seen as a half a player by a lot of folk. And all in a season where we get our best league finish in years. Jack Ross doesnt escape it either.

I'm not stopping anyone having a moan, and I'm a firm believer in everyone's right to an opinion, esp when football is concerned. But out of what I hear/see from other fans, they do seem to get behind their players more.

Still pissed off from the cup final??


No.

Every club in every country's fans are exactly the same.

It's human nature.

A quick look at any message board in the world will prove my point.

[Key West]

Constructive criticism judging by the posts on the board by far outweighs the negativity, the latter is obviously fuelled by disappointment, last season being a prime example, Hibs supporters are no different from any other set of fans. Being 3rd was probably the best we could have hoped for, potentially losing out on 2 caps and the manner in which we lost almost negated anything that was achieved and in the football world that was understandable.
I go into next season more in hope than expectation it has always been that way, if we are going to progress and satisfy the doubters it will be a slow state of progression, we haven’t been consistent even in my lifetime.

[Key West]

Cups not caps!

[Bangkok Hibby]

Don't know what it's like abroad. Be interesting to know if it's predominantly a British/Scottish thing.
To answer the op I can say Ross County fans are amongst the worst.

[Hibernian Verse]

No.

Every club in every country's fans are exactly the same.

It's human nature.

A quick look at any message board in the world will prove my point.

Interesting comment. Is it human nature or have people just been really bored and unable to attend games? Some of the comments that we've seen recently weren't prevalent prior to Covid when we were, arguably, doing worse on the park.

[Souter96Mac]

I wonder if the last year, with fans not being in the stadiums, has influenced this in some way? Fans are fickle at the best of times, but this last year seems to be even more so.

[Since452]

Think it's fans of every team not just us.

[Pretty Boy]

People have a view of Hibs fans as different because for many their interaction both at games, day to day and online is primarily with other Hibs fans. The reality is there is nothing particularly exclusive about us, good or bad.

As an example Aberdeen put season after season together that was comparable to what we did last year. That didn't stop McIness being subject to some pretty vitriolic criticism for much of his tenure, particularly in the latter half. Steven Gerrard was a 'fenian *******' 18 months ago and Rangers fans would happily have binned their entire squad, now they are all heroes.

Football is fickle. I take my hat off to the guys who can rationalise it and never get too up or down. That's not for me though and I have no desire to change either.

[Pretty Boy]

Don't know what it's like abroad. Be interesting to know if it's predominantly a British/Scottish thing.
To answer the op I can say Ross County fans are amongst the worst.

It really depends on the country I think.

I was at a Barcelona game a few months after they beat Arsenal in the Champions League final.

I've never experienced anything like it in Scotland in terms of vitriol towards their own team. Players getting stuff thrown at them, players getting booed every time they touched the ball and then 90K people all waving white flags and hankies as a show of surrender. It was mental.

[Brightside]

Wondering if it's true to say Hibs fans right now are more critical of our own players than other teams?

Recently Irvine was been deemed as contributing nothing, apparently Nesbit is nothing special and much better can easily be brought in, McGinn is 'average'. Folk were downing Porteous for a while there. Newall seems to be seen as a half a player by a lot of folk. And all in a season where we get our best league finish in years. Jack Ross doesnt escape it either.

I'm not stopping anyone having a moan, and I'm a firm believer in everyone's right to an opinion, esp when football is concerned. But out of what I hear/see from other fans, they do seem to get behind their players more.

Still pissed off from the cup final??

Every club has fans that are overly critical of their own players. Makes no sense to me at all but all teams have them.

[Greenio]

Interesting comment. Is it human nature or have people just been really bored and unable to attend games? Some of the comments that we've seen recently weren't prevalent prior to Covid when we were, arguably, doing worse on the park.

I do think not being able to unleash at games has denied fans the chance to vent, so the seethe goes online

[BILLYHIBS]

The Cup Final was a boot in the baws

More the manner of the defeat and the performance

Never laid a glove and did not look interested

I expected more from Jackson Irvine who came with a good rep

Kevin Nisbet is quality

I doubt Jack Ross will ever deliver silverware

Still to renew two Gold ST’s

Yes I am still pissed off

GGTTH

[S4uzee]

The Cup Final was a boot in the baws

More the manner of the defeat and the performance

Never layed a glove and did not look interested

I expected more from Jackson Irvine who came with a good rep

Kevin Nisbet is quality

I doubt Jack Ross will ever deliver silverware

Still to renew two Gold ST’s

Yes I am still pissed off

GGTTH


Same for me. I’ve had a ST for 20 years and renewed this year but the ‘performance’ in the cup final still sickens me and is in the top 3 of worst results watching Hibs for me.

There appeared a real lack of effort and desire and there’s several players in the squad I wouldn’t care if they played for Hibs again. One of the least ‘likeable’ Hibs teams I’ve watched but not sure if part of that is not being able to attend matches

[SChibs]

In my experience fans slate their own players to their own teams fans but defend their players and big them up when talking to an opposition fan.

[calumhibee1]

People have a view of Hibs fans as different because for many their interaction both at games, day to day and online is primarily with other Hibs fans. The reality is there is nothing particularly exclusive about us, good or bad.

As an example Aberdeen put season after season together that was comparable to what we did last year. That didn't stop McIness being subject to some pretty vitriolic criticism for much of his tenure, particularly in the latter half. Steven Gerrard was a 'fenian *******' 18 months ago and Rangers fans would happily have binned their entire squad, now they are all heroes.

Football is fickle. I take my hat off to the guys who can rationalise it and never get too up or down. That's not for me though and I have no desire to change either.

:agree:

There’s a lot of posters who I read their posts and think they come across like they’re trying to mimic the excessively media trained players/managers nowadays. Posts saying things like “it’s all about the 3 points, I don’t care in the slightest how we play to get them” or “I’d take 3rd place every season over cups as that means we’re going to be in the mix for cups eventually and allows us to continually build” etc.

That’s not a criticism of them, each to their own, but I’ll stick to being irrational about football :greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

In my experience fans slate their own players to their own teams fans but defend their players and big them up when talking to an opposition fan.

Definitely.

If I call Kevin Nisbet overrated then that is totally fair comment. A Hearts fan says the same and I'll drone on for hours about how he'll be a Scotland talisman for the next decade.

[Hibernian Verse]

The Cup Final was a boot in the baws

More the manner of the defeat and the performance

Never layed a glove and did not look interested

I expected more from Jackson Irvine who came with a good rep

Kevin Nisbet is quality

I doubt Jack Ross will ever deliver silverware

Still to renew two Gold ST’s

Yes I am still pissed off

GGTTH


Same for me. I’ve had a ST for 20 years and renewed this year but the ‘performance’ in the cup final still sickens me and is in the top 3 of worst results watching Hibs for me.

There appeared a real lack of effort and desire and there’s several players in the squad I wouldn’t care if they played for Hibs again. One of the least ‘likeable’ Hibs teams I’ve watched but not sure if part of that is not being able to attend matches

You guys must have seen worse in your time watching Hibs than the cup final performance and you still renewed. Get your card out and get on the eticketing website :greengrin

[Alex Trager]

‘You’re only as good as your last game’

[Key West]

It's those who never go to the games and are over critical that irk me.

[Shrekko]

Fans across the board are more critical now and have more of a platform to spread their poison.

It’s not just a Hibs thing but I do genuinely feel we have some of the most critical and definitely fickle fans in Scotland certainly. The fact we seem to have a reputation for it probably speaks volumes if we like it or not.

[J-C]

Possibly the lack of atmosphere hasn't helped the players and us not getting to watch them also. 3rd was a real bonus and the level we should always try to attain but I still struggled to enjoy watching us and the type of football we played at times, here's hoping we get to games soon

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

It’s not just a Hibs thing but I do genuinely feel we have some of the most critical and definitely fickle fans in Scotland certainly. The fact we seem to have a reputation for it probably speaks volumes if we like it or not.

When did it become a fact? It's not something I've heard from fans of other clubs.

[Pretty Boy]

When did it become a fact? It's not something I've heard from fans of other clubs.

I think the belief stems from something an opposing manager said, it might have even been Terry Butcher. He said if you could stifle Hibs for 15 minutes then the crowd would start to get restless and get on the players backs.

I'm not sure of the context though. If he was asked specifically about Hibs then it's a very different statement to just coming out with it randomly. I can't imagine Hearts fans are much different. I would say the same about Aberdeen fans but rustling sweetie papers gets a tut at Pittodrie.

[hibee316]

Fans across the board are more critical now and have more of a platform to spread their poison.

It’s not just a Hibs thing but I do genuinely feel we have some of the most critical and definitely fickle fans in Scotland certainly. The fact we seem to have a reputation for it probably speaks volumes if we like it or not.

This type of opinion honestly baffles me (no offense).

Any away team who stifles a home team will benefit from fans getting restless. I've heard this exact same thing for when we go to Rangers and Celtic. I've heard it from Hearts fans when teams go there.

It's really the same everywhere.

To think we are somehow different from other fans... nah.

[Wilson]

Fans across the board are more critical now and have more of a platform to spread their poison.

It’s not just a Hibs thing but I do genuinely feel we have some of the most critical and definitely fickle fans in Scotland certainly. The fact we seem to have a reputation for it probably speaks volumes if we like it or not.

Criticism is sometimes warranted. It doesn't necessarily have to be poison.

I think you're overly critical of critics!

[Hibs1969]

[QUOTE=Shrekko;6614026]Fans across the board are more critical now and have more of a platform to spread their poison.

It’s not just a Hibs thing but I do genuinely feel we have some of the most critical and definitely fickle fans in Scotland certainly. The fact we seem to have a reputation for it probably speaks volumes if we like it or not.[/QU

Social media and forums certainly give some fans with the loudest voices a platform to mouth off but that’s not unique to Hibs. Some of the threads and comments over on kickback about Levein, Budge and Neilson are much worse than anything seen on here. The cup final certainly scunnered a lot of us but that was almost 2 months ago and the new season is almost here so I’m looking forward and not back.

[Vault Boy]

I don't think Hibs fans are disproportionately guilty of this, in fact if we just start by comparing fan forums, the likes of Aberdeen are far, far worse.

I do think football in general still has a lot of maturing to do on this front, though. There are a lot of actions deemed acceptable/'just part of the game' in football that would be totally unacceptable in any other context, and I'm not talking about slide tackles. I know some people might want to contest this, but I don't think a footballer should have to hear/read their own supporters calling them a '****ing useless ****' or words to that effect. When footballers respond to this kind of thing, they're often labelled as immature, hot headed, insecure, or the like - I just don't buy that at all. We shouldn't be having to tell young footballers that they just need to put up with this stuff and ignore it, we should be actively trying to stomp it out of our footballing culture. I think some people are doing that now, I just hope we follow it through.

Very few things make me as angry as listening to some red faced prick screaming abuse at players, you'd think some of these people actually have some footballing ability of their own the way they drone on, but of course they don't. Footballers aren't some emotional punching bag for idiots to unload on, the sooner the remaining aspects of this attitude are gone, the better.

[WeeRussell]

Football fan bases are generally large groups of predominantly male human beings, a number of which contain traits such as being overly aggressive, not that bright, narrow-minded and stubborn. Add that to the fact people can be at their worst and less likely to back down when on a computer and I think it stands to reason that every football forum will have polarised opinions fiercely defended at each end.

Having said all that... it has felt this season has been as bad as ever for over-the-top criticism from our fans :greengrin

[RoYO!]

The Cup Final was a boot in the baws

More the manner of the defeat and the performance

Never laid a glove and did not look interested

I expected more from Jackson Irvine who came with a good rep

Kevin Nisbet is quality

I doubt Jack Ross will ever deliver silverware

Still to renew two Gold ST’s

Yes I am still pissed off

GGTTH

Exact same boat for me.

[H18 SFR]

The Cup Final was a boot in the baws

More the manner of the defeat and the performance

Never laid a glove and did not look interested

I expected more from Jackson Irvine who came with a good rep

Kevin Nisbet is quality

I doubt Jack Ross will ever deliver silverware

Still to renew two Gold ST’s

Yes I am still pissed off

GGTTH

Renewing our season tickets helped me to move on. Fresh start and all of that jazz, what would you do on a Saturday if it didn’t involve Hibernian?

[MWHIBBIES]

The Cup Final was a boot in the baws

More the manner of the defeat and the performance

Never laid a glove and did not look interested

I expected more from Jackson Irvine who came with a good rep

Kevin Nisbet is quality

I doubt Jack Ross will ever deliver silverware

Still to renew two Gold ST’s

Yes I am still pissed off

GGTTH
I doubt any Hibs managers will deliver silverware. Ross has come closer than many others, and had done a brilliant job in his 18 months in charge.

Should really take more than 3rd and a cup final to put you off renewing.

[WhileTheChief..]

No.

Every club in every country's fans are exactly the same.

It's human nature.

A quick look at any message board in the world will prove my point.

:top marksAgreed.

Same applies to complaining about refs, the media, pundits, pricing and everything else football related i'd imagine.

Football msg boards are generally pretty negative places.

[Hibiza]

Wondering if it's true to say Hibs fans right now are more critical of our own players than other teams?

Recently Irvine was been deemed as contributing nothing, apparently Nesbit is nothing special and much better can easily be brought in, McGinn is 'average'. Folk were downing Porteous for a while there. Newall seems to be seen as a half a player by a lot of folk. And all in a season where we get our best league finish in years. Jack Ross doesnt escape it either.

I'm not stopping anyone having a moan, and I'm a firm believer in everyone's right to an opinion, esp when football is concerned. But out of what I hear/see from other fans, they do seem to get behind their players more.

Still pissed off from the cup final??

Correct , Irvine contributed little , Nisbet will be bettered and McGinn is at best average . Cup final , and 2 semi finals .

[BILLYHIBS]

I doubt any Hibs managers will deliver silverware. Ross has come closer than many others, and had done a brilliant job in his 18 months in charge.

Should really take more than 3rd and a cup final to put you off renewing.

Just not convinced by Jack Ross tbh

It is up to him to motivate the players and get them up for it and he has failed on the last three occasions now

It is only his third place finish that buys him any credit in the bank with the support

Showed a lack of tactical nous and know how in the Final and seemed unable to change the way the game was going

His players lacked fight and desire and looked as though they would rather be somewhere else

Choosing no doubt to save themselves for the Euros, Australia’s World Cup adventure or having their heads turned by their next big money move

They forgot who pays their wages

Indeed St Johnstone were laughing at us when they saw our team sheet and the same tired old game plan

I hope Jack Ross hits the ground running because once the fans are back they will turn if he serves up the same dull boring fare as last season

Celtic The Rangers Hearts and Aberdeen will be equally determined that he does not pick up any silverware any time soon

I suppose based on his third place finish he at least deserves this coming season to show us what he can really do

GGTTH

[MWHIBBIES]

Just not convinced by Jack Ross tbh

It is up to him to motivate the players and get them up for it and he has failed on the last three occasions now

What about all the times he did get them up for it? He clearly has not failed to get them up for it the last three times. Aberdeen away - win. Dundee United semi - win. Cup final - loss. So he's got 2/3 correct.

It is only his third place finish that buys him any credit in the bank with the support
yes, his excellent league season, finishing 3rd for the first time in 16 years buys him plenty ****ing credit. And rightfully so.

Showed a lack of tactical nous and know how in the Final and seemed unable to change the way the game was going

Manager lost match. Happens.
His players lacked fight and desire and looked as though they would rather be somewhere else

Choosing no doubt to save themselves for the Euros, Australia’s World Cup adventure or having their heads turned by their next big money move
Totally made up. There is plenty doubt about this.
They forgot who pays their wages

The club pays their wages

Indeed St Johnstone were laughing at us when they saw our team sheet and the same tired old game plan

Where they aye? What other options did we have for a different squad? its actually the first time we had started 2 strikers vs them, so you're wrong here again.

I hope Jack Ross hits the ground running because once the fans are back they will turn if he serves up the same dull boring fare as last season
If he serves up 3rd place again, they'll be delighted.

Celtic The Rangers Hearts and Aberdeen will be equally determined that he does not pick up any silverware any time soon

I suppose based on his third place finish he at least deserves this coming season to show us what he can really do

GGTTH


Sorry but grow up and get renewed. Or don't. But stop blaming the manager for it. Hes done a good job overall.

[BILLYHIBS]

Sorry but grow up and get renewed. Or don't. But stop blaming the manager for it. Hes done a good job overall.
Sorry but he carries the Can for the Final

I will think about growing up

Thanks for your concern :greengrin

[MWHIBBIES]

Sorry but he carries the Can for the Final

I will think about growing up

Thanks for your concern :greengrin

Everyone carries the can for it. Same as they carry the can for a brilliant league season

[S4uzee]

Everyone carries the can for it. Same as they carry the can for a brilliant league season

What did 3rd get us … The Conference League. Give me 8th place and a cup every season

[MWHIBBIES]

What did 3rd get us … The Conference League. Give me 8th place and a cup every season

Was that choice available?

[BILLYHIBS]

Was that choice available?

A League Cup a Scottish Cup and a Europa Cup place were all within our grasp and we blew it

Fair play to St Johnstone

I would sacrifice our third and Conference League place for all the above but hey ho

Onwards and upwards

[Hibiza]

Spot on BillyHibs .

[Key West]

That would be everyone last season.


:top marks

[basehibby]

It really depends on the country I think.

I was at a Barcelona game a few months after they beat Arsenal in the Champions League final.

I've never experienced anything like it in Scotland in terms of vitriol towards their own team. Players getting stuff thrown at them, players getting booed every time they touched the ball and then 90K people all waving white flags and hankies as a show of surrender. It was mental.

Wow - what was the context? Sounds well OTT considering they'd just won the f-in CL!

[MWHIBBIES]

A League Cup a Scottish Cup and a Europa Cup place were all within our grasp and we blew it

Fair play to St Johnstone

I would sacrifice our third and Conference League place for all the above but hey ho

Onwards and upwards

How far do you think St Johnstone will get in the Europa league.

You can try to sacrifice that, but we're clearly not able to do so?

Onwards and upwards? You're talking about not returning because we lost a cup final?

[BILLYHIBS]

How far do you think St Johnstone will get in the Europa league.

You can try to sacrifice that, but we're clearly not able to do so?

Onwards and upwards? You're talking about not returning because we lost a cup final?

St Johnstone are in the more prestigious league with the better teams with the chance of making more money and I am sure their Golden Hello will be higher than the Conference League

They also have a League Cup and a Scottish Cup in the bag at our expense

Hibs found them to be a tough nut to crack so I daresay other European teams will

Saying that I can see a quality team making short work of them

I am talking about not returning because the players did not give a f#ck at Hampden so why should I?

I suppose I would find it easier to forgive if they left everything out on the pitch especially after being handed the lifeline of the penalty save but no it wasn’t to be

Joe Newell in his recent interview admitted HIBS never turned up

Oh and it is we the fans who pay their wages through buying ST’s, contributions to HSL, buying merchandise and HIBS TV

We are also very fortunate to have an excellent benefactor who always has our back

It is not asking too much to expect Jack Ross to show some tactical imagination and return silverware from one of three gilt edged opportunities handed to him on a plate in the last 18 months

You yourself have admitted he will never deliver silverware as HIBS Manager

When I do renew my two Gold ST’s no doubt I will find you down the front row beside the other happy clappers :greengrin

[Keith_M]

I quite like the white hankies thing that somebody mentioned seeing in Bareclona(?) and I think we should definitely start doing that here.

:greengrin

[Silversand]

I quite like the white hankies thing that somebody mentioned seeing in Bareclona(?) and I think we should definitely start doing that here.

:greengrinI remember seeing Dundee Utd beating Barca at the Nou Camp in the 80s & the white hankies coming out.

Perhaps we could sell Hibs branded ones in the shop [emoji848][emoji38]

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[nonshinyfinish]

Have cloth hankies retained a much greater popularity in Spain, or do folk have a dedicated "let's slaughter these wage thieves" hanky that they only take to the football?

[Northernhibee]

Sorry but grow up and get renewed. Or don't. But stop blaming the manager for it. Hes done a good job overall.

Yep. Last season was a good season, albeit with a disappointing end.

[Greenio]

Yep. Last season was a good season, albeit with a disappointing end.

I'm convinced I'd we got papped out both cups by either of the uglies early doors folk would be fat more celebratory of our 3rd place European finish.

I think we can do quite well in these early euro matches and that's what will win a good few folk over who are still burdened by the cup final loss

[Brightside]

What did 3rd get us … The Conference League. Give me 8th place and a cup every season

We would be skint and heading for the championship again with that outlook. On the plus side I’d be back to having a row of seats to myself again.

[calumhibee1]

We would be skint and heading for the championship again with that outlook. On the plus side I’d be back to having a row of seats to myself again.

8th place every season would see us never relegated again..

[MJ hibs]

Remember taking my missus to her first game at ER and she was shocked at the abuse we were giving our players. She is from the US though so I think thats just a culture shock with how the fans are out there.

In the LC semi I would let Ross off the hook because we did create a lot of chances early on but Scottish cup final failure was all on him. I know it is hard to overhaul your formation/ tactics before a final but St johnstone had that team sussed. No excuse for not seeing that after playing them not long before the final.

[heretoday]

Remember taking my missus to her first game at ER and she was shocked at the abuse we were giving our players. She is from the US though so I think thats just a culture shock with how the fans are out there.

In the LC semi I would let Ross off the hook because we did create a lot of chances early on but Scottish cup final failure was all on him. I know it is hard to overhaul your formation/ tactics before a final but St johnstone had that team sussed. No excuse for not seeing that after playing them not long before the final.

That's interesting. My experience of US baseball is hearing loud condemnation of players from frequently drunk guys in the bleachers! No hiding place on the mound or at the plate. Or even the dugout!
The MLS is a different animal really - certainly more family-orientated than our football.

[MJ hibs]

That's interesting. My experience of US baseball is hearing loud condemnation of players from frequently drunk guys in the bleachers! No hiding place on the mound or at the plate. Or even the dugout!
The MLS is a different animal really - certainly more family-orientated than our football.

Aye agree. But I guess it's a numbers thing. A few individuals in the US will have a go Vs. a majority of fans here booing the team off etc

[S4uzee]

We would be skint and heading for the championship again with that outlook. On the plus side I’d be back to having a row of seats to myself again.

I don’t quite think we’d be skint …. Our ST sales took off after winning the Cup. Clubs like Hibs it’s all about the cups as the chances of winning or even challenging for the league are slim. Every time 2016 is brought up, it’s very rarely mentioned we were in the championship. The league season is barely remembered. A massive opportunity that we will unlikely get again

[G15 Hibs]

What did 3rd get us … The Conference League. Give me 8th place and a cup every season

Then after 3 or 4 years winning a cup becomes the bare minimum we should expect and finishing 8th every season is a disgrace. You know that's what would happen and how folk would see things.

[blackpoolhibs]

I don’t quite think we’d be skint …. Our ST sales took off after winning the Cup. Clubs like Hibs it’s all about the cups as the chances of winning or even challenging for the league are slim. Every time 2016 is brought up, it’s very rarely mentioned we were in the championship. The league season is barely remembered. A massive opportunity that we will unlikely get again
How many season tickets do you think we'd sell if we knew we were going to finish in the bottom 6 every season, I know I'd not bother, I'd just buy tickets for the cup games we are guaranteed to win.

[Frazerbob]

Same for me. I’ve had a ST for 20 years and renewed this year but the ‘performance’ in the cup final still sickens me and is in the top 3 of worst results watching Hibs for me.

There appeared a real lack of effort and desire and there’s several players in the squad I wouldn’t care if they played for Hibs again. One of the least ‘likeable’ Hibs teams I’ve watched but not sure if part of that is not being able to attend matches

I don’t get this…and this isn’t a criticism. You’ve seen worse, MUCH worse than last years team. Probably in all bar a 2 or 3 seasons you’ve been a ST holder. You renewed after the Hearts final, you renewed after Butcher took us down yet you’re still to renew after finishing 3rd, qualifying for Europe and constantly reaching the latter stages of the cups. I think we both know you’ll be back next season. It’s what we do.

[S4uzee]

I don’t get this…and this isn’t a criticism. You’ve seen worse, MUCH worse than last years team. Probably in all bar a 2 or 3 seasons you’ve been a ST holder. You renewed after the Hearts final, you renewed after Butcher took us down yet you’re still to renew after finishing 3rd, qualifying for Europe and constantly reaching the latter stages of the cups. I think we both know you’ll be back next season. It’s what we do.

I didn’t say I haven’t renewed so I don’t see what there is not to get ….

[Frazerbob]

I didn’t say I haven’t renewed so I don’t see what there is not to get ….

Sorry I read it that you hadn’t renewed, like the post you were replying to. Pretty sure you got my point.

[jacomo]

St Johnstone are in the more prestigious league with the better teams with the chance of making more money and I am sure their Golden Hello will be higher than the Conference League

They also have a League Cup and a Scottish Cup in the bag at our expense

Hibs found them to be a tough nut to crack so I daresay other European teams will

Saying that I can see a quality team making short work of them

I am talking about not returning because the players did not give a f#ck at Hampden so why should I?

I suppose I would find it easier to forgive if they left everything out on the pitch especially after being handed the lifeline of the penalty save but no it wasn’t to be

Joe Newell in his recent interview admitted HIBS never turned up

Oh and it is we the fans who pay their wages through buying ST’s, contributions to HSL, buying merchandise and HIBS TV

We are also very fortunate to have an excellent benefactor who always has our back

It is not asking too much to expect Jack Ross to show some tactical imagination and return silverware from one of three gilt edged opportunities handed to him on a plate in the last 18 months

You yourself have admitted he will never deliver silverware as HIBS Manager

When I do renew my two Gold ST’s no doubt I will find you down the front row beside the other happy clappers :greengrin


Sadly I agree with much of this.

I’ve been a big supporter of Jack Ross but I now have doubts that he can deliver real success for us. If you can’t get your team to turn up in a cup final, what’s the point?

[MWHIBBIES]

Sadly I agree with much of this.

I’ve been a big supporter of Jack Ross but I now have doubts that he can deliver real success for us. If you can’t get your team to turn up in a cup final, what’s the point?

He has already delivered real success, 3rd place after 16 years is a great thing in his first full season.

Plenty of great managers have had teams not turn up in cup finals. Like, literally some of the best ever. Some of Hibs best managers have also taken beatings in cup finals.

Is that literally all we're going to focus on for his time here? Get over it.

[Hiber-nation]

Your spot on mate . Some people live in there own wee world , probably know few if any other Hibs supporters and probably never been in a pub around Easter Road in there life.
Plenty Hibs fans I know feel the same about the current team / manager including a couple who haven't
renewed.The season ticket thread gives an idea of fans feelings.
When crowds are back home performances like Livingstone or Ross County or a derby defeat then I suspect some of the fans will turn on him.
My brother give him his due is still an avid Jack Ross fan the rest of us not.

I honestly don't know any Jack Ross "fans". I try my very best to be upbeat on here but I just can't get excited about the coming season at all and that's not like me. Not all down to the Cup Final and the other 2 Hampden performances, also down to the style of play and potential for progression. Hopefully it'll all feel different once I'm back.

[Brightside]

Your spot on mate . Some people live in there own wee world , probably know few if any other Hibs supporters and probably never been in a pub around Easter Road in there life.
Plenty Hibs fans I know feel the same about the current team / manager including a couple who haven't
renewed.The season ticket thread gives an idea of fans feelings.
When crowds are back home performances like Livingstone or Ross County or a derby defeat then I suspect some of the fans will turn on him.
My brother give him his due is still an avid Jack Ross fan the rest of us not.

Aye. Going to pubs in Easter Ed makes you a hibs fan. Ffs. The vast majority of Hibs fans are very happy with the progression we have made under Jack Ross.

[B.H.F.C]

I honestly don't know any Jack Ross "fans". I try my very best to be upbeat on here but I just can't get excited about the coming season at all and that's not like me. Not all down to the Cup Final and the other 2 Hampden performances, also down to the style of play and potential for progression. Hopefully it'll all feel different once I'm back.

I feel the same about the coming season.

I go home and away every week so, having not been able to do that for over a year, I should be buzzing to return but I’m not. I really didn’t enjoy last season, big part of it being down to not being there but I didn’t enjoy watching a lot of it either.

[Frazerbob]

I honestly don't know any Jack Ross "fans". I try my very best to be upbeat on here but I just can't get excited about the coming season at all and that's not like me. Not all down to the Cup Final and the other 2 Hampden performances, also down to the style of play and potential for progression. Hopefully it'll all feel different once I'm back.

Pleased to meet you. I’m a big Jack Ross fan.

[Billy Whizz]

Pleased to meet you. I’m a big Jack Ross fan.

It’s a message-board, posters are entitled to air their opinions, and lots will agree with these

[Peevemor]

I honestly don't know any Jack Ross "fans"...

I am.

[Pretty Boy]

I'm indifferent to Jack Ross.

I was hugely disappointed in the cup final performance.

I didn't enjoy much of last season for various reasons.

I've renewed in far worse times than this. If you can afford it then get your ST bought.

[Hiber-nation]

I am.

Never knowingly met you although maybe in the past...Conan Doyle maybe 😀

[Peevemor]

Never knowingly met you although maybe in the past...Conan Doyle maybe [emoji3]I was a regular upstairs in the Conan Doyle mid-late 80s (Donna's time).

[BILLYHIBS]

I'm indifferent to Jack Ross.

I was hugely disappointed in the cup final performance.

I didn't enjoy much of last season for various reasons.

I've renewed in far worse times than this. If you can afford it then get your ST bought.
:thumbsup:

[Hiber-nation]

I was a regular upstairs in the Conan Doyle mid-late 80s (Donna's time).

81-83 for me, Friday after work. I remember you mentioning it before. I'm just that wee bit older obviously 😀

[Peevemor]

81-83 for me, Friday after work. I remember you mentioning it before. I'm just that wee bit older obviously [emoji3]I started work 2-3 doors along when I was just turning 17 (1984).

[jacomo]

I'm indifferent to Jack Ross.

I was hugely disappointed in the cup final performance.

I didn't enjoy much of last season for various reasons.

I've renewed in far worse times than this. If you can afford it then get your ST bought.


Yup fair enough, I’ve also renewed.

Big question mark for me though on whether this team has peaked or there is more to come. I fear the former is true.

[He's here!]

I honestly don't know any Jack Ross "fans". I try my very best to be upbeat on here but I just can't get excited about the coming season at all and that's not like me. Not all down to the Cup Final and the other 2 Hampden performances, also down to the style of play and potential for progression. Hopefully it'll all feel different once I'm back.

I like Jack Ross a lot. I was very pleased when we appointed him and I think (by Scottish standards) he's signed some of the best talent out there. I don't buy into the claim that he can't deliver a trophy.

However, something went very badly awry in the cup final. In the League Cup semi-final loss to St Johnstone we were actually the better side until we went a goal behind then just collapsed. Against Hearts we should have won, but the cup final was inexplicably awful and in answer to the thread question I don't think we were overly critical of the players. The sense that they didn't give their all (hard as that is to believe) lingers and I did feel there was a lack of acknowledgement from the club about just how big a letdown that performance was. The way season ticket sales almost immediately stalled show how big an impact it has had on fans' mindsets.

[Frazerbob]

It’s a message-board, posters are entitled to air their opinions, and lots will agree with these

Thanks for clarifying. I was just replying to the poster who said he didn’t know a JR fan. He does now.

[Hiber-nation]

Thanks for clarifying. I was just replying to the poster who said he didn’t know a JR fan. He does now.

Aw come on, I really don't see the point of you going on about this. I don't know you!

[Frazerbob]

Aw come on, I really don't see the point of you going on about this. I don't know you!

I’m not ‘going on’, I’m replying to posts. The point is, there are plenty who like JR. I was just introducing myself to you as one, since you hadn’t met any.

[Hiber-nation]

I’m not ‘going on’, I’m replying to posts. The point is, there are plenty who like JR. I was just introducing myself to you as one, since you hadn’t met any.

There are obviously plenty on here. I know of them but I don't know them.

Actually I know Billy Brown, not well but well enough to chat to and he's a Jack Ross fan. Forgot about him :greengrin