2021-22 UEFA Coefficient Thread

[SJNB Hibby]

Yes it's that time again, and this season with some Hibs input.
The English 2020-21 season ended Sunday, and the 2021-22 ECL started Tuesday, with today seeing Prishtina of Kosovo play Inter Club d'Escaldes for the right to enter the 1st Qualifying Round.
Scotland start the season in 9th place, .55 points ahead of Austria, but only .182 behind Russia, and incredibly less than a point behind the Dutch. Not only that, but this year we get rid of the paltry 4 points gained in 2017-2018, whilst the Russians gained 12.6 points that year, although it was a disaster for the Dutch. Of course 5 teams means fewer points per win, but hopefully Hibs can help us continue to move up the rankings and gain a few automatic group stages.
For those of you that scoff at the Coefficient....I would point out that this year teams from Hungary, Bosnia, Slovenia, Slovakia and Poland are entering the competitions before the Scottish Clubs, so it has its advantages

[CMurdoch]

Yes it's that time again, and this season with some Hibs input.
The English 2020-21 season ended Sunday, and the 2021-22 ECL started Tuesday, with today seeing Prishtina of Kosovo play Inter Club d'Escaldes for the right to enter the 1st Qualifying Round.
Scotland start the season in 9th place, .55 points ahead of Austria, but only .182 behind Russia, and incredibly less than a point behind the Dutch. Not only that, but this year we get rid of the paltry 4 points gained in 2017-2018, whilst the Russians gained 12.6 points that year, although it was a disaster for the Dutch. Of course 5 teams means fewer points per win, but hopefully Hibs can help us continue to move up the rankings and gain a few automatic group stages.
For those of you that scoff at the Coefficient....I would point out that this year teams from Hungary, Bosnia, Slovenia, Slovakia and Poland are entering the competitions before the Scottish Clubs, so it has its advantages

9th means the Scottish coefficient recovery to an acceptable level is almost complete from an embarrassing 26th a few years ago.
We will pass Russia by this time next season to move into 8th position.
No chance of going higher than 8th with the Netherlands moving away from us as they attempt to bridge the massive gap to Portugal in 6th.
However, 8th best league in Europe is pretty fine and falls in line with the number of fans who watch their teams in our top league compared to attendances for other leagues around Europe.
Also good to see Scotland with 5 teams in Europe for the first time in many years which should see Hibs playing in Europe every season for the foreseeable future.
The downside of 5 teams is that positive Rangers and Celtic results will be worth less points from now on so Hibs, Aberdeen and St Johnstone need to perform even if that just means beating duffers home and away in the early rounds.

P.S. Why do Russia and the Netherlands already have 0.8 of a point on the board for this season?
It affects the numbers you quoted for each country above.

[SJNB Hibby]

9th means the Scottish coefficient recovery to an acceptable level is almost complete from an embarrassing 26th a few years ago.
We will pass Russia by this time next season to move into 8th position.
No chance of going higher than 8th with the Netherlands moving away from us as they attempt to bridge the massive gap to Portugal in 6th.
However, 8th best league in Europe is pretty fine and falls in line with the number of fans who watch their teams in our top league compared to attendances for other leagues around Europe.
Also good to see Scotland with 5 teams in Europe for the first time in many years which should see Hibs playing in Europe every season for the foreseeable future.
The downside of 5 teams is that positive Rangers and Celtic results will be worth less points from now on so Hibs, Aberdeen and St Johnstone need to perform even if that just means beating duffers home and away in the early rounds.

P.S. Why do Russia and the Netherlands already have 0.8 of a point on the board for this season?
It affects the numbers you quoted for each country above.
I haven't seen that, I can't see an updated uefa table. Do they both have 5 teams in Europe and 1 guaranteed in the group stages? Each team in the group stages gets 4 points...4 divided by 5 is 0.8
I see Prishtina won 2-0....no great surprise there, I'd expect to see Kosovo move a few places up each yeR

[Fergus52]

P.S. Why do Russia and the Netherlands already have 0.8 of a point on the board for this season?
It affects the numbers you quoted for each country above.

It will be bonus points for automatic group stage qualification to the champions League I think.

[SJNB Hibby]

So this week sees us start to add(hopefully) lots(again hopefully) of Coefficient points via Us, the Dons and the Smellies.
By not participating in the first qualifying rounds, we've seen a few countries below us accumulate some impressive points---Slovenia with 1.375, and Kosovo who are likely on a steady rise up the ranks with 1.5.
The first target is to beat the paltry 4 points we picked up in 2017-18, but bettering the 6.75 from the next season could see us really challenge the top 7. We're almost certainly going to overtake Russia, but keeping close to the Dutch will be difficult. Unfortunately the top 6 are almost uncatchable

[Nevi_SOL]

The 0.8 is automatically added if a team enters in the UCL group stage.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i fear our country will have to rely on Sevco getting us those extra points this season

[hibbysam]

i fear our country will have to rely on Sevco getting us those extra points this season

St Johnstone should have a half chance when they drop down, only need to win 1 tie to make the groups. Would Rijeka be seeded for the play off round? Could be huge if we beat them and take their seeding.

[.Sean.]

i fear our country will have to rely on Sevco getting us those extra points this season
That’s the spirit.

[Fergus52]

St Johnstone should have a half chance when they drop down, only need to win 1 tie to make the groups. Would Rijeka be seeded for the play off round? Could be huge if we beat them and take their seeding.

Nah they will be unseeded unfortunately.

Europa League is just a competition for champions League drop outs now.

All the decent sides that would be in the later qualifying rounds of the Europa are now just in the conference league instead.

[Juniper Greens]

Yes it's that time again, and this season with some Hibs input.
The English 2020-21 season ended Sunday, and the 2021-22 ECL started Tuesday, with today seeing Prishtina of Kosovo play Inter Club d'Escaldes for the right to enter the 1st Qualifying Round.
Scotland start the season in 9th place, .55 points ahead of Austria, but only .182 behind Russia, and incredibly less than a point behind the Dutch. Not only that, but this year we get rid of the paltry 4 points gained in 2017-2018, whilst the Russians gained 12.6 points that year, although it was a disaster for the Dutch. Of course 5 teams means fewer points per win, but hopefully Hibs can help us continue to move up the rankings and gain a few automatic group stages.
For those of you that scoff at the Coefficient....I would point out that this year teams from Hungary, Bosnia, Slovenia, Slovakia and Poland are entering the competitions before the Scottish Clubs, so it has its advantages

It's a 5 year average. So we actually are currently 11th (which is where our places for next season will be based) and its the 4.3 points from the year before that drop off this time. The 4.0 points drop off next season. So, if we can get a couple of 8 pointers in their place, we could really jump up.

[hibbysam]

Nah they will be unseeded unfortunately.

Europa League is just a competition for champions League drop outs now.

All the decent sides that would be in the later qualifying rounds of the Europa are now just in the conference league instead.

Bugger. Would imagine St J’s would be seeded as PSV and Galatasaray will have decent ranking points.

[CMurdoch]

It's a 5 year average. So we actually are currently 11th (which is where our places for next season will be based) and its the 4.3 points from the year before that drop off this time. The 4.0 points drop off next season. So, if we can get a couple of 8 pointers in their place, we could really jump up.

Nah we are currently 9th and will almost certainly move up to 8th by this time next season.
We finished last season in 11th and jumped up 2 places when the 5 year season drop off subsequently occurred.
Celtic blew it tonight against poor opposition so we could be reliant on Rangers again if they can't get their act together.

[SJNB Hibby]

It's been a good week

[CMurdoch]

It's been a good week

Other than Celtic blowing it. 0.1 of a point for their draw!
They need to win next week.
Hibs certainly will.

[PatHead]

How many points did Scotland get this week.

[SJNB Hibby]

How many points did Scotland get this week.

Should be 0.5
Celtic SHOULD add 0.2 next week, as should Hibs. Figure the Don's get a draw, for 0.1 and we have 5 teams in the next round with a point already. Rangers winning their qualifier would add another 0.8

[CMurdoch]

How many points did Scotland get this week.

0.2 earned by both Hibs and Aberdeen and 0.1 by Celtic
So 0.5 in total
Individual clubs have a UEFA coefficient so Hibs can improve our total again next week.

[AgentDaleCooper]

It's kind of mad how we spent years with only 1 champions league place, and now all of a sudden we've almost maxed out what we can realistically hope for - it's very unlikely we'll break into the top six, it would take several simultaneous european runs in consecutive years for that to happen.

[SJNB Hibby]

It's kind of mad how we spent years with only 1 champions league place, and now all of a sudden we've almost maxed out what we can realistically hope for - it's very unlikely we'll break into the top six, it would take several simultaneous european runs in consecutive years for that to happen.

Too true. If you took our best year and multiplied it by 5, we'd be under 50, just within shouting distance of the top 6, but a bit of a stretch. I guess the target is to better the coefficient number that drops off each year, hope the Old Firm reach the CL group stages, and one or 2 others get the lower competition group stages, and avoid embarassing losses to Malta, Welsh and Luxembourg teams

[hibbysam]

Too true. If you took our best year and multiplied it by 5, we'd be under 50, just within shouting distance of the top 6, but a bit of a stretch. I guess the target is to better the coefficient number that drops off each year, hope the Old Firm reach the CL group stages, and one or 2 others get the lower competition group stages, and avoid embarassing losses to Malta, Welsh and Luxembourg teams

Our teams really have to be beating all of these sides home and away, allowing us to build more and more. See it in the table just now how 0.100 can make a huge difference to where you finish and that’s the difference between a draw and a win.

[CMurdoch]

It's kind of mad how we spent years with only 1 champions league place, and now all of a sudden we've almost maxed out what we can realistically hope for - it's very unlikely we'll break into the top six, it would take several simultaneous european runs in consecutive years for that to happen.

No chance of getting above 8th which we will meet in a years time.

As an aside only 10 leagues have ever been in the top 3.
Miraculously that includes Scotland who have achieved 3rd on no less than four occasions...........although the last time was 50 years ago :greengrin.

[PatHead]

Take it Celtic got nowt last night even though it was a draw at 90 mins?

[CMurdoch]

Take it Celtic got nowt last night even though it was a draw at 90 mins?

Yeah, brussel sprout.
As things stand Hibs are currently Scotland's top contributors of coefficient points with 0.4 of a point
Aberdeen have earned 0.2 of a point and Celtic only 0.1

Next Tuesday Rangers start their campaign.
In the next round of the conference next Thursday we play Rijeka of Croatia whilst Aberdeen have a more favourable draw against an Icelandic team who beat a decent Austrian team tonight.
Not sure who Celtic play now they have dropped into the Europa league and I don't know how many of their new signings will be available. They definitely need to get their act together.

[hibbysam]

Yeah, brussel sprout.
As things stand Hibs are currently Scotland's top contributors of coefficient points with 0.4 of a point
Aberdeen have earned 0.2 of a point and Celtic only 0.1

Next Tuesday Rangers start their campaign.
In the next round of the conference next Thursday we play Rijeka of Croatia whilst Aberdeen have a more favourable draw against an Icelandic team who beat a decent Austrian team tonight.
Not sure who Celtic play now they have dropped into the Europa league and I don't know how many of their new signings will be available. They definitely need to get their act together.

Celtic play Jablonec who they should beat, but same would’ve been said about that side last night.
Aberdeen as you say should have a decent chance now.
Hopefully we can start on the front foot next Thursday.

[PatHead]

Are more points awarded next week or is it still 0.2 per game?

[CMurdoch]

Celtic play Jablonec who they should beat, but same would’ve been said about that side last night.
Aberdeen as you say should have a decent chance now.
Hopefully we can start on the front foot next Thursday.

Well remembered. They weren't so hot in the Czech Republic last season but the fear alone should carry them through this time :wink:

In reality our season starts against Motherwell. Fingers crossed for no injuries and a big lead in the 1st half of that match leaving us lots of energy for Thursday.

[hibbysam]

Are more points awarded next week or is it still 0.2 per game?

Think it’s always 0.2 with bonuses for making the groups, where you finish in the group etc.

[PatHead]

Think it’s always 0.2 with bonuses for making the groups, where you finish in the group etc.

Thanks for clarifying. Hopefully another 0.4 points in our next games

[CMurdoch]

Think it’s always 0.2 with bonuses for making the groups, where you finish in the group etc.

It's basically half points in the preliminary rounds so once that is finished a win for Scottish teams becomes worth 0.4 instead of 0.2 of a point and as you say if you progress through the group stages you get bonus points.

[hibbysam]

It's basically half points in the preliminary rounds so once that is finished a win for Scottish teams becomes worth 0.4 instead of 0.2 of a point and as you say if you progress through the group stages you get bonus points.

Perfect - thanks for clarifying.

[hibee1875]

It's basically half points in the preliminary rounds so once that is finished a win for Scottish teams becomes worth 0.4 instead of 0.2 of a point and as you say if you progress through the group stages you get bonus points.

Is it not 0.2 because there’s 5 Scottish teams. So the 1pt per win is divided by 5 which makes it 0.2?

I’m sure something is divided by the amount of teams a country has in

[hibbysam]

Is it not 0.2 because there’s 5 Scottish teams. So the 1pt per win is divided by 5 which makes it 0.2?

I’m sure something is divided by the amount of teams a country has in

It’s 1 and 0.5 in qualifiers, 2 and 1 in the competition proper.

[hibee1875]

It’s 1 and 0.5 in qualifiers, 2 and 1 in the competition proper.

Ah ok 👍

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That looks promising for the next few years if Rangers do as well as they have been and the rest of us manage to chip in too.

[Fergus52]

Teams like Maribor, steau Bucharest, apollon limasoll, aek Athens all going out this round could work out well for us.

Still won't be seeded for the play off round draw based on Rijeka's coefficient, but these teams going out means we are more likely to get a slightly easier draw based on weaker teams now being seeded instead

[CMurdoch]

Good table.
Well worth keeping. Hibs contributing 57% of Scotlands points :greengrin
St Johnstone are shown on same table as Scotlands worst team which I suspect won't change.

[CMurdoch]

That looks promising for the next few years if Rangers do as well as they have been and the rest of us manage to chip in too.

Slight problem is all points won by Scotland's teams including the old firm are, from this season, divided by 5 instead of 4. The cost of success.

[hibbysam]

Slight problem is all points won by Scotland's teams including the old firm are, from this season, divided by 5 instead of 4. The cost of success.

Rangers are guaranteed group stage football of some form, Celtic and st Johnstone are one win away from that. Although it’s split by 5 rather than 4, we have a far higher chance of getting plenty bonus points from our sides. Even Aberdeen have been given a huge lifeline with them now playing the non seeds from the previous round.

[Ozyhibby]

The best thing that can happen is for Celtic and Rangers to drop down into at least Europa. Much easier to get wins which bring in points.


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[hibbysam]

The best thing that can happen is for Celtic and Rangers to drop down into at least Europa. Much easier to get wins which bring in points.


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Surely the bonus points from Rangers reaching the groups of the champions league (with the possibility of still making the Europa league from that) outweighs dropping down and still having a difficult group?

[TelaStella]

Surely the bonus points from Rangers reaching the groups of the champions league (with the possibility of still making the Europa league from that) outweighs dropping down and still having a difficult group?

Correct.


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[CMurdoch]

Rangers are guaranteed group stage football of some form, Celtic and st Johnstone are one win away from that. Although it’s split by 5 rather than 4, we have a far higher chance of getting plenty bonus points from our sides. Even Aberdeen have been given a huge lifeline with them now playing the non seeds from the previous round.

Aberdeen certainly won a watch and will be hot favourites to progress to the play offs.
St Johnstone have a struggle on their hands

0.7 of a point in the bag already.
A further 7 would be another respectable season for Scotland.

[hibbysam]

Aberdeen certainly won a watch and will be hot favourites to progress to the play offs.
St Johnstone have a struggle on their hands

0.7 of a point in the bag already.
A further 7 would be another respectable season for Scotland.

St Johnstone will be seeded for the play off round of the conference league though won’t they? Taking Galatasaray’s seeding?

[Juniper Greens]

St Johnstone will be seeded for the play off round of the conference league though won’t they? Taking Galatasaray’s seeding?

No. Galatasry are the 2nd best non seeds.
Was watching results coming in last night, they needed 5 upsets at the top of the coefficient league, they only got 3.

[hibbysam]

No. Galatasry are the 2nd best non seeds.
Was watching results coming in last night, they needed 5 upsets at the top of the coefficient league, they only got 3.

That’s incredible, would’ve had money on them being seeded in conference league.

[CMurdoch]

St Johnstone will be seeded for the play off round of the conference league though won’t they? Taking Galatasaray’s seeding?

Don't know but most of the remaining dross will go out this round so it will almost certainly be a tough draw.
They are obviously holding onto their star players until after the play off in the hope of winning a tie and hitting the big money.

[PatHead]

Don't know but most of the remaining dross will go out this round so it will almost certainly be a tough draw.
They are obviously holding onto their star players until after the play off in the hope of winning a tie and hitting the big money.

If you see Juniper Greens post above they're not seeded

[CMurdoch]

If you see Juniper Greens post above they're not seeded

Got it thanks.
Sadly I can see Scotland with only the OF standing before August is out.

[PatHead]

Got it thanks.
Sadly I can see Scotland with only the OF standing before August is out.

You never know. If we win our tie we would only be one game away from the group stages. Aberdeen will have a very good chance of reaching the play off round after yesterday's results.

[SJNB Hibby]

Don't know but most of the remaining dross will go out this round so it will almost certainly be a tough draw.
They are obviously holding onto their star players until after the play off in the hope of winning a tie and hitting the big money.

Overall, 87 teams have been eliminated, only 150 left, and only 6 countries with more teams left than us. Romania down to 1 team, Greece 2. Austria have actually lost ground to us, and down a team. Croatia doing well, but only 3 teams left...if we could knock them out we'd do wonders for the coefficient

[bringbackbenny]

When does the play off draw take place, should be in advance of R3 fixtures next week?

Could be a tasty incentive knowing we have Spurs, Roma etc as a glamour tie!

[Green Reaper]

When does the play off draw take place, should be in advance of R3 fixtures next week?

Could be a tasty incentive knowing we have Spurs, Roma etc as a glamour tie!

2nd August @ 13.00 for draw

[hibbysam]

When does the play off draw take place, should be in advance of R3 fixtures next week?

Could be a tasty incentive knowing we have Spurs, Roma etc as a glamour tie!

I’d rather not, I’d rather the worst seeded team there was. Gone are the days of wanting big ties before the groups, I want us progressing to the groups and then we can take our glamour ties - and more than one of them. The money and the coefficient involved would help us for years.

[SJNB Hibby]

2nd August @ 13.00 for draw

I'd rather play Spurs in the Final

[bringbackbenny]

I’d rather not, I’d rather the worst seeded team there was. Gone are the days of wanting big ties before the groups, I want us progressing to the groups and then we can take our glamour ties - and more than one of them. The money and the coefficient involved would help us for years.


To be clear I'd rather get the lower ranking team as well! achieving the group stage would be game changing for Hibs.

Nevertheless I think if I was a player getting the chance to play Vs Spurs it would be a massive incentive.

[jgl07]

I'd rather play Spurs in the Final
Spurs in a European final again? I like a laugh.

[MacBean]

Where does the Scottish Cup Winner (or 3rd place if winner of SC is in top 2), enter in next season's European Qualifying? Tried having a look around but can only find info on the league position without the SC

[MacBean]

Where does the Scottish Cup Winner (or 3rd place if winner of SC is in top 2), enter in next season's European Qualifying? Tried having a look around but can only find info on the league position without the SC


Think I've found it - based on this access list the SC Winner would go into PO of Europa League and be guaranteed UECL Group stage, real incentive to finish 3rd (at least) this season should one of the top 2 win the SC.

2022-23-uefa-access-list.pdf (kassiesa.net) (https://kassiesa.net/uefa/files/2022-23-uefa-access-list.pdf)

[Magpie]

Think I've found it - based on this access list the SC Winner would go into PO of Europa League and be guaranteed UECL Group stage, real incentive to finish 3rd (at least) this season should one of the top 2 win the SC.

2022-23-uefa-access-list.pdf (kassiesa.net) (https://kassiesa.net/uefa/files/2022-23-uefa-access-list.pdf)

That’s what we all thought last season until it all changed at the last minute.

[hibbysam]

Think I've found it - based on this access list the SC Winner would go into PO of Europa League and be guaranteed UECL Group stage, real incentive to finish 3rd (at least) this season should one of the top 2 win the SC.

2022-23-uefa-access-list.pdf (kassiesa.net) (https://kassiesa.net/uefa/files/2022-23-uefa-access-list.pdf)

That’s based on us being 11th, sure we are going to be higher than this, as we are guaranteed a champions league group spot.

[MacBean]

That’s based on us being 11th, sure we are going to be higher than this, as we are guaranteed a champions league group spot.

Yeah we're currently 9th on the table, but I'm sure that doesn't take affect until next season's winners. (it's usually a season behind I believe - there will be others who know more than I do who can confirm).

Looking at WIKI (and I know it's not always 100% reliable), the champions this year only go into the playoff round.
2021–22 Scottish Premiership - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%9322_Scottish_Premiership)24937

[Juniper Greens]

That’s based on us being 11th, sure we are going to be higher than this, as we are guaranteed a champions league group spot.

We are 11th for next year. Entry places are based on a 1 year lag.

[Chuck Rhoades]

Think I've found it - based on this access list the SC Winner would go into PO of Europa League and be guaranteed UECL Group stage, real incentive to finish 3rd (at least) this season should one of the top 2 win the SC.

2022-23-uefa-access-list.pdf (kassiesa.net) (https://kassiesa.net/uefa/files/2022-23-uefa-access-list.pdf)

Same as this year but blew it against St Johnstone no? Or did it change.

[nonshinyfinish]

Same as this year but blew it against St Johnstone no? Or did it change.

It changed late in the season. Or more accurately, UEFA didn't reassign spare places in the way that they had in the past, so the normally accurate prediction of qualifying places (the Bert Kassies site etc) turned out to be wrong. That's why St Johnstone went into EL Q3 and not the play-off round.

[Fergus52]

That’s what we all thought last season until it all changed at the last minute.

that happening was a one-off due to the gap created from there being no conference league winner.

Nothing like that will happen this year, the Europa league place for the 2022 scottish cup winner will 100% go straight into the Europa league play-offs.

[SJNB Hibby]

So, not a great week for the coefficient, 3 losses, and only 2 wins, but we still have 4 teams in the competitions, with 2 guaranteed group play.
The good news is we've overtaken Russia, and sit in 8th place. Plus Russia have had 2 teams knocked out. We've pulled further away from Austria...St Johnstone taking something from their tie against LASK Linz is vital.
Our biggest threat appears to be Belgium...who still have 5 teams left.Serbia have gained some ground, but have had 2 teams knocked out.
Also there are ECL group qualifying points still to be awarded to the teams who win the last Play-off round---Brondby knocking off RB Salzburg would be a big help.

Looking all the way down the list, the countries at the bottom are picking up more points than ever, which will help us, as long as we're not helping them.
In 2017-18, the bottom 10 teams picked up only 8.7 pts, but its been steadily rising, and so far they have picked up 16.8, with 5 teams still competing. Throw in Kosovo who are steadily climbing up the table, and will likely hit the top 25 in a couple of years.

In our last 3 very good years, we averaged 8.33 pts, so far only on 1.7, so a lot of work to do, but bettering the 4 we will lose next year is the prime target

[CMurdoch]

So, not a great week for the coefficient, 3 losses, and only 2 wins, but we still have 4 teams in the competitions, with 2 guaranteed group play.
The good news is we've overtaken Russia, and sit in 8th place. Plus Russia have had 2 teams knocked out. We've pulled further away from Austria...St Johnstone taking something from their tie against LASK Linz is vital.
Our biggest threat appears to be Belgium...who still have 5 teams left.Serbia have gained some ground, but have had 2 teams knocked out.
Also there are ECL group qualifying points still to be awarded to the teams who win the last Play-off round---Brondby knocking off RB Salzburg would be a big help.

Looking all the way down the list, the countries at the bottom are picking up more points than ever, which will help us, as long as we're not helping them.
In 2017-18, the bottom 10 teams picked up only 8.7 pts, but its been steadily rising, and so far they have picked up 16.8, with 5 teams still competing. Throw in Kosovo who are steadily climbing up the table, and will likely hit the top 25 in a couple of years.

In our last 3 very good years, we averaged 8.33 pts, so far only on 1.7, so a lot of work to do, but bettering the 4 we will lose next year is the prime target

Brave man! Some angry Hibees about so decided to let the dust settle.
I did notice Scotland overtake Russia and move into our glass ceiling position of 8th where I can see us sticking for some considerable time.

I haven't assessed their next opposition but a good chance that St J & Aberdeen will join us on the sidelines leaving the weegies to bring back the points.
Hibs will improve and do better in Europe next season if they can continue to bring in the quality of player they have been. The Ross rebuild will be complete in a years time. All his team at that point.

[SJNB Hibby]

Brave man! Some angry Hibees about so decided to let the dust settle.
I did notice Scotland overtake Russia and move into our glass ceiling position of 8th where I can see us sticking for some considerable time.

I haven't assessed their next opposition but a good chance that St J & Aberdeen will join us on the sidelines leaving the weegies to bring back the points.
Hibs will improve and do better in Europe next season if they can continue to bring in the quality of player they have been. The Ross rebuild will be complete in a years time. All his team at that point.

Correct, and the table looks even better starting next year...we're 8 points ahead of the Russkies, Belgium are our nearest competitors,and they're 3.6 points behind. Its all about holding our own, 7-8 points a year, dont lose to the minnows, yet see them take points off other countries in the teens, and unfortunately watch the top 6 steamroller everybody

[CMurdoch]

Correct, and the table looks even better starting next year...we're 8 points ahead of the Russkies, Belgium are our nearest competitors,and they're 3.6 points behind. Its all about holding our own, 7-8 points a year, dont lose to the minnows, yet see them take points off other countries in the teens, and unfortunately watch the top 6 steamroller everybody

Holland, Belgium and Scotland all lose their last low score next summer which will solidify Holland and Scotland in 7th and 8th and Belgium climb up from 13th to 9th as the 1st European ball is kicked in the 2022/23 season.
Meanwhile Russia will be plummeting down the table from 9th to 15th.

[Juniper Greens]

Now thst we have 5 teams rather than 4, we will stop scoring 8 points a year, be 6 at most, eventually we might lose the 5th team for a year, get another 8 pointer, get it back etc. That's what the system is designed to do. Have a few yo yo countries that change from 4 to 5 countries regularly. That's where Scotland is realistically in the long term

[CMurdoch]

Now thst we have 5 teams rather than 4, we will stop scoring 8 points a year, be 6 at most, eventually we might lose the 5th team for a year, get another 8 pointer, get it back etc. That's what the system is designed to do. Have a few yo yo countries that change from 4 to 5 countries regularly. That's where Scotland is realistically in the long term

Can't see Scotland dropping out of the top 15 unless something goes badly wrong ala Rangers demotion.
We probably need a constant 7.5 points a season to ensure we remain in the top 10.
With 5 teams a win is now worth 0.1 point less and a draw 0.05 point once the preliminaries are over, so perhaps the Old Firm return will be down by a point per season which should be picked up by the other Scottish teams. Hibs contributed 0.5 of a point before we lost on Thursday. Aberdeen have already contributed 0.6 point and St J. 0.1 point so 1.2 points from the non weegie teams to date.
FWIW I think Hibs will be better next season with the Lennon/Hecky to Ross rebuild complete and will almost certainly make the conference play off round with a chance to make the group stage. Obviously it is dependent on the quality of players coming in to players lost for fees.

[SJNB Hibby]

So another week of Euro-qualifying starts, unfortunately the first sans Hibs

3 ECL qualifiers today, and amazingly 47th ranked Moldova have a team still involved---Sherrif Tiraspol!!
Would very much like to see them, Monaco and Brondby picking up wins
And in the one Europa League qualifier, CFR Cluj beating Red Star works to our advantage

[CMurdoch]

So another week of Euro-qualifying starts, unfortunately the first sans Hibs

3 ECL qualifiers today, and amazingly 47th ranked Moldova have a team still involved---Sherrif Tiraspol!!
Would very much like to see them, Monaco and Brondby picking up wins
And in the one Europa League qualifier, CFR Cluj beating Red Star works to our advantage

Red Star up by 2 and it's not half time yet

[SJNB Hibby]

Red Star up by 2 and it's not half time yet

Yeah, but 2 for 4 so far, and RB Salzburg losing is of the biggest benefit I think

[CMurdoch]

Is 2 for 4 not a bad cricket score?
Croatia and Austria won't be getting near Scotland for years in the coefficient unless the Old Firm completely fall apart at some point.

[King Cosell]

Balls to the coefficient, I want Aberdeen and St Johnstone out.

[Hulk1875]

Balls to the coefficient, I want Aberdeen and St Johnstone out.

👏🏻

[Hibernian Verse]

Balls to the coefficient, I want Aberdeen and St Johnstone out.

Is it bad that I want those two pumped out but recognise the importance of the Old Firm having a decent European run?

[Since452]

Balls to the coefficient, I want Aberdeen and St Johnstone out.

Correct. **** the both of them. Especially Aberdeen.

[SJNB Hibby]

Correct. **** the both of them. Especially Aberdeen.

Can we meet somewhere in the middle and have them both win a game whilst being knocked out??? just for the coefficients sake:greengrin

Tonight, Sellick could help out with a win, theyre going to end up playing till Christmas anyway.
In the other matches, wins for Benfica, Ferencvaros and Ludogorets would be the best help

[cabbageandribs1875]

sellick looking good for the groups and sevco will skoosh it in their tie

[SJNB Hibby]

Gained a bit on the Dutch tonight

[MacBean]

Balls to the coefficient, I want Aberdeen and St Johnstone out.

I'd rather they both got the group stages and suffered the Thursday-Sunday hangovers until the festive period and dropping down the table.

[Since452]

I'd rather they both got the group stages and suffered the Thursday-Sunday hangovers until the festive period and dropping down the table.

Aberdeen will make around 3 million if they get to the groups so hope they don't. St Johnstone i wouldn't mind as much as they wont be near us in the league regardless. I'm bitter though so hope they both go out.

[ian cruise]

I'd rather they both got the group stages and suffered the Thursday-Sunday hangovers until the festive period and dropping down the table.

We should be positioning ourselves to be pushing for third without needing Aberdeen and St Johnstone to have European hangovers. We did it last season and there's no reason why we couldn't do it again as we've retained the majority of our squad, granted we still need a couple of players in.

[SJNB Hibby]

So the final set of play-off matches this week, and ECL qualifiers gain 4 points(divided by the number of teams)
Today, would like to see Ferencvaros knock off Young Boys, Benfica eliminate PSV, and Ludugorets overcome Malmo

[SJNB Hibby]

So Austria and Ukraine have made it very close with their teams qualifying for the ECL Group stages. We're now only .15 ahead of Austria, and 1.2 ahead of Ukraine. Hopefully St Johnstone can eliminate LASK

[CMurdoch]

So Austria and Ukraine have made it very close with their teams qualifying for the ECL Group stages. We're now only .15 ahead of Austria, and 1.2 ahead of Ukraine. Hopefully St Johnstone can eliminate LASK

The big picture is neither will be near to Scotland next season after the 5 year drop off occurs.
Scotland will lose only 4, Ukraine 8 and Austria 9.75
The hard work to maintain our points total will be in the seasons after that when we have to perform well to match our totals from 5 seasons previous.
I see Scotland locked in 8th place in the medium term always adrift of Holland in 7th with Belgium our chaser in 9th.
As ever we rely on the Old Firm but I can see Hibs continuing our slow seasonal team improvement and making the Conference Group stages from next season or the following one. Aberdeen and Hearts could manage the same although the elephant in the room for Aberdeen is the replacement of Pittodrie which will stop their teams progress.

[PatHead]

If the council gift them land on the seafront as planned, it might not be such a big problem.

[CMurdoch]

If the council gift them land on the seafront as planned, it might not be such a big problem.

It would certainly help greatly if they get the site for free.
Would leave them to sell Pittodrie for housing and use the cash raised to build the ground.
Suspect they would still need to raise a lot of cash which is a debt they would then have to service.

As I have said before Farmer and Petrie did all the hard miles on debt and infastructure for Hibs despite the clueless abuse from the short termers in our support.
Pittodrie has the Dick Donald stand that was built in 1993 which has allowed Pittodrie to limp on for another 28 years. In comparison Easter Road when Farmer took over was a 100% ancient relic and they did us proud rebuilding it in tough times. Their pain and our pain is allowing Ron Gordon the easy task of dressing it up and planning for progress on and off the pitch.

[hibbysam]

The big picture is neither will be near to Scotland next season after the 5 year drop off occurs.
Scotland will lose only 4, Ukraine 8 and Austria 9.75
The hard work to maintain our points total will be in the seasons after that when we have to perform well to match our totals from 5 seasons previous.
I see Scotland locked in 8th place in the medium term always adrift of Holland in 7th with Belgium our chaser in 9th.
As ever we rely on the Old Firm but I can see Hibs continuing our slow seasonal team improvement and making the Conference Group stages from next season or the following one. Aberdeen and Hearts could manage the same although the elephant in the room for Aberdeen is the replacement of Pittodrie which will stop their teams progress.

While these teams have made it close, I’d expect both the old firm to go into the latter stages of both. They’ll qualify tonight and finish in the top 3 which will give them, at worst, a play off place to get into the conference league knockout stages. Likelihood is those clubs that qualified for champions league will finish 4th and be dumped from Europe altogether, while not picking up many points from wins/draws.

[PatHead]

It would certainly help greatly if they get the site for free.
Would leave them to sell Pittodrie for housing and use the cash raised to build the ground.
Suspect they would still need to raise a lot of cash which is a debt they would then have to service.

As I have said before Farmer and Petrie did all the hard miles on debt and infastructure for Hibs despite the clueless abuse from the short termers in our support.
Pittodrie has the Dick Donald stand that was built in 1993 which has allowed Pittodrie to limp on for another 28 years. In comparison Easter Road when Farmer took over was a 100% ancient relic and they did us proud rebuilding it in tough times. Their pain and our pain is allowing Ron Gordon the easy task of dressing it up and planning for progress on and off the pitch.
It is a disgrace that at a time when councils are cutting back left, right and centre, having to close nursing homes and services like libraries having hours cut that a council are giving away an asset for free.

[Phil MaGlass]

co-efficient snookered after tonite?

[CMurdoch]

co-efficient snookered after tonite?

Nah but an appalling night. All 4 of our teams were poor.
Wetherspoon followed Daz in single handedly blowing it for his team and Aberdeen were outclassed. From 3-0 up Celtic gave 2 joke goals away and held on by a snotter whilst Rangers didn't try a leg after their already poor opponents went down to 10 players in the 1st half.
As a result 0.1 of a point out of a possible 0.8 tonight!
As ever Scotland down to relying on Rantic before August is out.
Of all the countries with 5 teams we are the only one who have had more than 2 teams knocked out and Austria have overtaken us leaving us now 9th.
Thanks to Messers Rogic, McGregor and Wetherspoon my top tip for next season is to keep 11 players on the pitch if you want your team to have any chance of winning! It's the basics guys.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

So much for the Conference League offering a great new opportunity for Scottish clubs, all out bar the usual two, meanwhile loads of non-entities you've probably never heard of will be competing in the Conference group stage.

[hibbysam]

So much for the Conference League offering a great new opportunity for Scottish clubs, all out bar the usual two, meanwhile loads of non-entities you've probably never heard of will be competing in the Conference group stage.

Half them were in the ‘champions’ path though, after winning the Gibraltar/Latvian/Luxembourg etc leagues. Considerably easier.

[mayo hibee]

Definitely easier for teams in the Champions Path, which will always impact on Scottish teams outside of the OF. However, from next season there will be guaranteed group stage football for a third Scottish team, no reason why it can't be us getting that spot.

[Billy Whizz]

Definitely easier for teams in the Champions Path, which will always impact on Scottish teams outside of the OF. However, from next season there will be guaranteed group stage football for a third Scottish team, no reason why it can't be us getting that spot.

Conference or Europa League group stages?

[Hibernian Verse]

Conference or Europa League group stages?

Europa Playoff, then guaranteed Conference Groups.

[Not In The Know]

Definitely easier for teams in the Champions Path, which will always impact on Scottish teams outside of the OF. However, from next season there will be guaranteed group stage football for a third Scottish team, no reason why it can't be us getting that spot.

interesting. Where did you read that?

[hibbysam]

interesting. Where did you read that?

If one of the top leagues teams win champions league (and that team have already qualified for the group) then our league winner will go direct into champions league group. Second enter Q2 (meaning they only have to win 1 tie to guarantee at worst Conference league groups), cup winner/third if it’s one of the top two enters Europa League play off meaning guaranteed groups even if they lose.

[Billy Whizz]

If one of the top leagues teams win champions league (and that team have already qualified for the group) then our league winner will go direct into champions league group. Second enter Q2 (meaning they only have to win 1 tie to guarantee at worst Conference league groups), cup winner/third if it’s one of the top two enters Europa League play off meaning guaranteed groups even if they lose.

Big prize for finishing 3rd

[Gaffer1875]

I see our former fusball winger Zoubir played against the dons last night for Qarabag, be all accounts had a great game.


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[Stokesy's on fire]

I see our former fusball winger Zoubir played against the dons last night for Qarabag, be all accounts had a great game.


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it was so sweet that he assisted one a scored against them so glad they got thrashed

[mjhibby]

Just watched the goals from the Don's game. We would be going tonto with the shocking defending. Maybe a few will give our defenders a wee bit of slack. They could have got absolutely mullered last night. Cadden hopefully back after the international break along with Hanlon and a signing so suddenly that area looks strong. Had cadden and Hanlon been available we could have got through imho.

[JohnMcM]

So much for the Conference League offering a great new opportunity for Scottish clubs, all out bar the usual two, meanwhile loads of non-entities you've probably never heard of will be competing in the Conference group stage.

This makes our departure more annoying.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/sport/rangers-and-celtic-learn-europa-league-group-stage-opponents

Europa League draws.

Can't see either getting further from their group.

[CMurdoch]

https://news.stv.tv/sport/rangers-and-celtic-learn-europa-league-group-stage-opponents

Europa League draws.

Can't see either getting further from their group.

As is the way these days they also have a chance of dropping into the Conference League but both need to get their act together from now on.

[007]

https://news.stv.tv/sport/rangers-and-celtic-learn-europa-league-group-stage-opponents

Europa League draws.

Can't see either getting further from their group.

I see Celtic's group includes Ádám Bogdán's team, Ferencvaros who lost in the CL playoff to Young Boys. He's 2nd choice though and hasn't yet played a game for them.

[CMurdoch]

I see Celtic's group includes Ádám Bogdán's team, Ferencvaros who lost in the CL playoff to Young Boys. He's 2nd choice though and hasn't yet played a game for them.

7 games for them last season and 1 to date this.

[SJNB Hibby]

Well the old coefficient has taken some battering since the start of the Group stages. Our drop down the rankings might be as rapid as our rise. Of the 24 countries still represented this season, we are 23rd, only ahead of Cyprus. we can likely survive with 5 teams into 23-24, but we need the OF to do SOMETHING in their next few matches to keep us in the top 11, WHICH AS WE KNOW!!!! helps Hibs if we're going to qualify for Europe on a regular basis

[CMurdoch]

Well the old coefficient has taken some battering since the start of the Group stages. Our drop down the rankings might be as rapid as our rise. Of the 24 countries still represented this season, we are 23rd, only ahead of Cyprus. we can likely survive with 5 teams into 23-24, but we need the OF to do SOMETHING in their next few matches to keep us in the top 11, WHICH AS WE KNOW!!!! helps Hibs if we're going to qualify for Europe on a regular basis

Scotland dropped down another place this week as Russia passed them. Ukraine now on our tails.
Rangers and Celtic have Brondby and Ferencvaros home and away next and we could do with 4 wins.
Rangers are devoid of life at the moment and Celtic are beyond porous at the back.

[Keith_M]

I enjoyed seeing Celtc and The Rangers getting beat.



We played in the really early qualification rounds in Europe this season and were put out as soon as we met a half decent team. That's roughly the same thing that happens on the rare occasions we actually qualify.

I'm not convinced that kind of experience every three or four years is worth watching the Uglies have success in Europe, and going even further ahead of us financially.

[Big_Franck]

I enjoyed seeing Celtc and The Rangers getting beat.



We played in the really early qualification rounds in Europe this season and were put out as soon as we met a half decent team. That's roughly the same thing that happens on the rare occasions we actually qualify.

I'm not convinced that kind of experience every three or four years is worth watching the Uglies have success in Europe, and going even further ahead of us financially.

Totally agree. I'd much rather play an extra tie against a team from the Faroes or Andorra than watch those ***** rake in millions from European runs, especially when they make the champions league. Hope both of them get humiliated in every game they play in.

[mayo hibee]

There's guaranteed European group stage football for a non-OF team next season I think. Keeping that beyond next season or the season after is dependent on keeping the coefficient up. So it's very much in our interests that they get some decent results.

[Glory Lurker]

Watching a team from Glasgow that isn't Queen's Park or Partick getting emptied in Europe is one of life's joys. Long may it continue, regardless of coefficient implications.

[Eyrie]

I always enjoy the Ugly Sisters losing.

If they win, the extra cash they get has little effect on their already insurmountable financial advantage over us. The boost to the co-efficient is a boon only if we're qualifying for Europe ourselves and are the beneficiaries, not Aberdeen or Hearts.

[SJNB Hibby]

So a marked improvement this week. We're still 9th, having moved past Russia, but Austria on a real good streak, and Holland are now out of sight. But we've now got 3.1 points this season, and as our goal should be to improve on the points we've lost, and we lost 4.375, we're only 3 wins away from that, and the OF could get 2 of them in a couple of weeks.
The points are getting more spread around now...the bottom 11 countries picked up only 8.7 points back in 2017-18, but 15.5 last season, and 18.8 already this season, with 3 teams still involved, so outwith the top 6 countries, things should flatten out a little, and a slight improvement each year could see us consolidate quite nicely in the top 8 or 9

[CMurdoch]

So a marked improvement this week. We're still 9th, having moved past Russia, but Austria on a real good streak, and Holland are now out of sight. But we've now got 3.1 points this season, and as our goal should be to improve on the points we've lost, and we lost 4.375, we're only 3 wins away from that, and the OF could get 2 of them in a couple of weeks.
The points are getting more spread around now...the bottom 11 countries picked up only 8.7 points back in 2017-18, but 15.5 last season, and 18.8 already this season, with 3 teams still involved, so outwith the top 6 countries, things should flatten out a little, and a slight improvement each year could see us consolidate quite nicely in the top 8 or 9

Holland will always be out of sight of Scotland.
However, Austria will fall with a big clunk when they lose 9.75 points to Scotland's 4 next summer so no need to be concerned with them unless Red Bull Saltzberg and LASK can keep it going this season. They are the Austrian flies in our ointment.

Scotland currently has the least teams left of countries that had 5 team entries and that is hurting us along with the OF sluggish displays before this week.
Fortunately, I can see Scotland locked in 8th position from next summer on with Hibs and Hearts making a better fist of things than they have previously.
Rangers should easily win again next time out against a poor team. That will leave them needing to beat Spartans Prague at home to qualify in 2nd place
Celtic I am less sure of but they are a slightly better than 50/50 bet next week. However to have any chance of qualifying in 2nd place they need to win next time our and need to win at home against Real Betis. Far worse bet to qualify than Rangers.

[Fergus52]

To be fair to them, Celtic were quite unlucky last time out against betis away from home.

Can easily see them winning at home with a noisy capacity crowd.

[CMurdoch]

To be fair to them, Celtic were quite unlucky last time out against betis away from home.

Can easily see them winning at home with a noisy capacity crowd.

They went 2 up but then WTF.
Celtics defence were so bad you could be forgiven for thinking they were deliberately throwing the match.

This week was a big improvement defensively. They still need Jullien back ASAP though.

[SJNB Hibby]

So another 'not bad' week for the coefficient. We're still only 25th for this season, but we're now only .675 points short of the tally we lost this year. Celtic are guaranteed 4 more games, and Rangers are in a good spot for the Euro play-offs, or the Conf Play-offs. 2 wins in 6(or 8) matches should be doable.
Holland are storming the tables this year, well ahead of England in 2nd place. After they get rid of their pitiful 2.9 points from2017-18, they'll be giving France and Portugal a fight for 5th place

[CMurdoch]

So another 'not bad' week for the coefficient. We're still only 25th for this season, but we're now only .675 points short of the tally we lost this year. Celtic are guaranteed 4 more games, and Rangers are in a good spot for the Euro play-offs, or the Conf Play-offs. 2 wins in 6(or 8) matches should be doable.
Holland are storming the tables this year, well ahead of England in 2nd place. After they get rid of their pitiful 2.9 points from2017-18, they'll be giving France and Portugal a fight for 5th place

Rangers were dreadful last night. They should have been trying to blow a poor Brondby side away to guarantee 3 points instead they just played comfortably doing nothing of note until going behind.. Now they are stuck with requiring a 2 goal win against a decent Sparta Prague team to finish 2nd in the group.
They have been a mile of the team they were last season despite not losing their main players.

Celtic game was a much better watch and their 3rd goal was magnificent from Turnbull winning the ball at half way to Abada's great finish. A real WOW! moment.
They have improved at the back but there is still a massive weakness in the centre of their defence. As soon as Jullian is fit to play he will be back in that team and it will be for him to mould one of the other centre half's into a reliable partner. Good luck to him with all that.
I can't see them getting anything in Germany next time out and Betis will take 3 points from Ferencvaros so they look like they are heading for the Conference play offs.
Their appalling defence that lost the match from a 2 goal lead in Betis looks like the factor that will cost them their place in the next stage of the Europa league.
However, if the pre injury Jullian returns and their forwards continue to rip it up they could do some damage in the Conference and win Scotland some valuable coefficient points.

[SJNB Hibby]

So lets take a break from the Hibs events of this weeks for a minute and review the coefficient as it stands
A good week for Scotland, but we're sitting 20th in this seasons standings, 10th overall. The total points distributed in the last few seasons have already been collected this year, and its hard to say how many points are out there. We've earned more than the season we've lost, but we clearly need more. Ukraine have lost all their teams, so we are safe from them, but Austria are doing real well. We're only a fraction behind Russia, but a lot will depend on the draw. Rangers could get Barcelona for example. Anyway, will be a VERY interesting draw for the 3 trophies on Monday

[hibbysam]

So lets take a break from the Hibs events of this weeks for a minute and review the coefficient as it stands
A good week for Scotland, but we're sitting 20th in this seasons standings, 10th overall. The total points distributed in the last few seasons have already been collected this year, and its hard to say how many points are out there. We've earned more than the season we've lost, but we clearly need more. Ukraine have lost all their teams, so we are safe from them, but Austria are doing real well. We're only a fraction behind Russia, but a lot will depend on the draw. Rangers could get Barcelona for example. Anyway, will be a VERY interesting draw for the 3 trophies on Monday

rangers will get binned, majority of the teams they could get are top European clubs (Barcelona, Dortmund, Atalanta etc).

Celtic have a chance to go fairly deep into the conference league, not sure what points that may be worth.

[theonlywayisup]

So what's the latest position w.r.t. the coefficient? And what does it mean for places next / following season?

[Paul1642]

rangers will get binned, majority of the teams they could get are top European clubs (Barcelona, Dortmund, Atalanta etc).

Celtic have a chance to go fairly deep into the conference league, not sure what points that may be worth.

Hope you didn’t stick money on it :)

[hibbysam]

Hope you didn’t stick money on it :)

Shocker 😂 coefficient in a fantastic position considering next year we gain over just about every other country around us, and gain big over some nations. Difficult for us to gain spots, think 6th is the next benchmark which is 3 CL and an automatic EL group spot. Chances of that is unlikely considering Portugal will start next year about 15 ahead of us and with those champions league group spots confirmed.

[SJNB Hibby]

Shocker 😂 coefficient in a fantastic position considering next year we gain over just about every other country around us, and gain big over some nations. Difficult for us to gain spots, think 6th is the next benchmark which is 3 CL and an automatic EL group spot. Chances of that is unlikely considering Portugal will start next year about 15 ahead of us and with those champions league group spots confirmed.

We''ve not really done that well this year. There are more points available because of the Conference League. We're only 17th this year so far. But we'll finish ahead of the Russkies for sure, and The H**s look like theyll help in the process of knocking out BOTH Serbian teams, as Partisan Belgrade lost 5-2 at home to Feyeenoord. So we'll finish 9th at the end of this season for sure. We'll start next season in 8th, comfortably ahead of Austria. The Country thats done the business so far this year is Holland, as they lead the season with 16.2 points, just ahead of Ingerland and France

[theonlywayisup]

So what's the latest? Are we supporting the The Rangers tonight?

[SJNB Hibby]

Well The Rangers efforts this week have helped consolidate Scotlands position, and made a top 5 finish next season even more rewarding. We're firmly in 9th place, although without much hope of improving, but will start next season in 8th, 3 points ahead of Austria. Russia Serbia and Ukraine are all set to lose more points than us....Belgium are the closest team behind us who will lose a bad season, but still be at least 4 points behind us. If you are determined to see a Scottish team fail in Europe, at least lets hope its on gd, and they can win a game and get another point for the cause

[gbhibby]

If The Rangers win the Europa league do the go directly into group stage of champions league?
What impact does that have on the other European qualifiers?

[hibby rae]

If The Rangers win the Europa league do the go directly into group stage of champions league?
What impact does that have on the other European qualifiers?

I think everyone in the top six, unless we win tomorrow, will be guaranteed European football.

[JamesHFC]

If The Rangers win the Europa league do the go directly into group stage of champions league?
What impact does that have on the other European qualifiers?

If they win the EL they go into the group stages of the CL and into pot one which is the highest seeded.

If Villarreal win the CL, the winners of the Scottish Premiership will not go straight into the group stages of the CL.

If Hibs don’t win the Scottish Cup then 5th place will also get a European qualifying spot this season. 6th won’t get anything as far as I’m aware regardless of what happens.

It’s sunk in today that we won’t be playing in Europe next season and it’s pissed me off. We need a win tomorrow to keep that dream alive 🤞🏻

[A Hi-Bee]

I think everyone in the top six, unless we win tomorrow, will be guaranteed European football.

Well done Hibs, **** the coefficient it means nothing for our team.
:flag::flag::flag:

[Juniper Greens]

I think everyone in the top six, unless we win tomorrow, will be guaranteed European football.

No, this isn't right. Rangers winning wouldn't get scotland an "extra" spot, as rangers are already in Europe. They just wpuld go into the groups, rather than the qualifiers and every country below scotland would get bumped up a bit