Scotland at EURO2020

[AugustaHibs]

Apologies if I’ve missed a thread but thought I’d start a definitive thread.

Preparations going terribly already with multiple players missing tonight’s game due to being a close contact of covid.

BREAKING: Grant Hanley, Che Adams, John McGinn, David Marshall, Nathan Patterson and Stephen O’Donnell all OUT of Scotland’s game against Holland tonight. All six players identified as ‘being in the vicinity’ of John Fleck who is self-isolating with Covid-19.

[Brightside]

Yeh was wondering why this hasnt been raised. I'm staggered that players were allowed into a training camp without a full test cycle being completed. The SWPL womens teams have more stringent testing!

[darwenhibby]

Apologies if I’ve missed a thread but thought I’d start a definitive thread.

Preparations going terribly already with multiple players missing tonight’s game due to being a close contact of covid.

BREAKING: Grant Hanley, Che Adams, John McGinn, David Marshall, Nathan Patterson and Stephen O’Donnell all OUT of Scotland’s game against Holland tonight. All six players identified as ‘being in the vicinity’ of John Fleck who is self-isolating with Covid-19.
Then on the plus side Nisbet gets his chance and proves himself tonight

[JimBHibees]

Yeh was wondering why this hasnt been raised. I'm staggered that players were allowed into a training camp without a full test cycle being completed. The SWPL womens teams have more stringent testing!

I think Clarke said they all were tested including Fleck but was negative initially.

[Souter96Mac]

Are these players also unavailable for the Luxembourg game then? Would be a shame if so. Thankfully most of that group are first teamers, but it would be good to get a look at Patterson and see how he does at RWB

[GRA]

Encouraging performance with a weakened team against a strong Dutch side last night. Good interplay and defence was generally solid. Thought Robertson & Tierney were exceptional. Gives Clarke some food for thought!

I'd mix it up against Luxembourg though, give Nisbet a start as his confidence will be sky high.

[oneone73]

Encouraging performance with a weakened team against a strong Dutch side last night. Good interplay and defence was generally solid. Thought Robertson & Tierney were exceptional. Gives Clarke some food for thought!

I'd mix it up against Luxembourg though, give Nisbet a start as his confidence will be sky high.

Adams has to start

[Hibrandenburg]

Last night might have been a blessing in disguise. It's always good for a team when the 2nd choice 11 start knocking on the door for a starting position. Last nights performance will give the manager a few positive headaches and options. That said, the Dutch were experimenting too and probably not firing on all cylinders.

[blackpoolhibs]

Then on the plus side Nisbet gets his chance and proves himself tonight

Met a guy who knows you Duane on Sunday, cant remember his name (bit pissed) but he said he was your best mate. I thought he's lying, you dont have any friends. :wink:

Maybe a gardener, not sure? :confused:

[Jones28]

Scotland boss Clarke 'wants difficult decisions & sleepless nights' - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/57338989)

Think the gaffer has forgotten to pack the factor 50.

[darwenhibby]

Met a guy who knows you Duane on Sunday, cant remember his name (bit pissed) but he said he was your best mate. I thought he's lying, you dont have any friends. :wink:

Maybe a gardener, not sure? :confused:
I’ve got friends G
But not any fancy friends 🙂

[BILLYHIBS]

Scotland we can boogie on next ITV

[Glory Lurker]

Scotland we can boogie on next ITV

Good shout, ta.

[Calmbegbie]

Hard for me to look past the England game. Asking a lot for us to go down and get a result there but stranger things have happened. I’d be delighted if we could nick a draw

[Glory Lurker]

Hard for me to look past the England game. Asking a lot for us to go down and get a result there but stranger things have happened. I’d be delighted if we could nick a draw

If the results were to go the right way, we could put them out! :-)

Highly unlikely, I know, but when did dreaming hurt anyone?

[Calmbegbie]

If the results were to go the right way, we could put them out! :-)

Highly unlikely, I know, but when did dreaming hurt anyone?

We can always dream mate, and every now and again they come true 🙏🙏

[Billy Whizz]

If the results were to go the right way, we could put them out! :-)

Highly unlikely, I know, but when did dreaming hurt anyone?

Imagine the boos that night

[JimBHibees]

Imagine the boos that night

England could still get through if they won one game

[Lancs Harp]

I'm staying clear of this thread :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

I'm staying clear of this thread :greengrin

:greengrin

[green day]

Scotland we can boogie on next ITV

Why are they still using that awful song when Considine didn't even make the squad?

[marinello59]

Why are they still using that awful song when Considine didn't even make the squad?

Cos it’s a bit of fun.? :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Why are they still using that awful song when Considine didn't even make the squad?

That's the spirit :greengrin

Pretty much the team song.

[Glory Lurker]

England could still get through if they won one game

Not if Croatia win first two and we win first two?

[B.H.F.C]

Not if Croatia win first two and we win first two?

One win could be enough with four third placed teams going through.

Portugal got out of the group without winning a game in 2016 and went on to win it.

[Lancs Harp]

Not if Croatia win first two and we win first two?

4 x 3rd place team go through, if you win one game you've got a great chance of going through.

[Glory Lurker]

4 x 3rd place team go through, if you win one game you've got a great chance of going through.

Shows how little attention I pay! It goes without saying that even that escape route will be beyond Scotland!

[Glory Lurker]

One win could be enough with four third placed teams going through.

Portugal got out of the group without winning a game in 2016 and went on to win it.

Cheers. Not like me to get something completely wrong on here!

[Northernhibee]

https://youtu.be/m4FMkkJV2mM - Braw’s Euro song, one of them is a good Hibby.

[Logie Green]

For me the ideal scenario is for Scotland and Croatia to play a dull, insipid 0-0 draw with few forward passes in the last group match so both could qualify as the only two from our group. A bit like Austria and West Germany did in the 1982 World Cup.

The Morris Dancers would be a wee bit upset. 😜

[Steven79]

For me the ideal scenario is for Scotland and Croatia to play a dull, insipid 0-0 draw with few forward passes in the last group match so both could qualify as the only two from our group. A bit like Austria and West Germany did in the 1982 World Cup.

The Morris Dancers would be a wee bit upset. 😜

That would be glorious! Can you imagine the look of their faces when it goes back to the studio at full-time.

[Brightside]

Anyone know of any other boozers taking bookings for the England game. 4 people.

[Brummie_Hibs]

For me the ideal scenario is for Scotland and Croatia to play a dull, insipid 0-0 draw with few forward passes in the last group match so both could qualify as the only two from our group. A bit like Austria and West Germany did in the 1982 World Cup.

The Morris Dancers would be a wee bit upset. 😜
Mine's would be, with Scotland already qualified, England need Scotland to beat Croatia to qualify.

The Scots go 1-0 up early in the game, but lose a goal in the final minute to make it 1-1 and England are oot!

[Bishop Hibee]

I’m surprised at the lack of stuff in the shops. When I lived down south every second car had a wee flag and houses were festooned with St George’s Crosses before a major tournament. None of that here as far as I can tell.

[WeeRussell]

I’m surprised at the lack of stuff in the shops. When I lived down south every second car had a wee flag and houses were festooned with St George’s Crosses before a major tournament. None of that here as far as I can tell.

‘Believe’ bars 🤢

[bingo70]

I’m surprised at the lack of stuff in the shops. When I lived down south every second car had a wee flag and houses were festooned with St George’s Crosses before a major tournament. None of that here as far as I can tell.

In fairness, we are a wee bit out if practice 😂

I’m not sure people know what to do. I can confirm I am very very excited however other than a wall chart in my kitchen you wouldn’t know they were starting this weekend.

[Pretty Boy]

I watched the Mr Brown's Boys documentary about France 98 on iplayer tonight and it's fair got me in the mood for the Euros now.

I think we'll see a fair bit excitement building over the course of this weekend that will reach fever pitch by the time Wembley rolls around.

[bingo70]

I watched the Mr Brown's Boys documentary about France 98 on iplayer tonight and it's fair got me in the mood for the Euros now.

I think we'll see a fair bit excitement building over the course of this weekend that will reach fever pitch by the time Wembley rolls around.

Thought that documentary was absolutely brilliant

[JimBHibees]

Yep documentary was superb. A few interviews from the holy ground also. The kilts worn by the players in the Brazil game was fantastic imo.

[Hibee87]

Anyone know of any other boozers taking bookings for the England game. 4 people.

I managed to book the Mercat bar for 4 this afternoon, no idea if still spaces. I was close to giving up trying to find somewhere. Worth checking their website. I also called to confirm before booking online 👍

[offshorehibby]

Another one on tomorrow bbc Scotland channel, Away with the Tartan Army, should be good

[hibsbollah]

I watched the Mr Brown's Boys documentary about France 98 on iplayer tonight and it's fair got me in the mood for the Euros now.

I think we'll see a fair bit excitement building over the course of this weekend that will reach fever pitch by the time Wembley rolls around.

I’m enjoying it too:agree: The Darren Jackson interview had me worried though, what the hell has happened to his skin colour? Not so much gammon as nut roast. The boy must have had cryonic suspension in a sunbed for the last twenty years.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Anyone know of any other boozers taking bookings for the England game. 4 people.

Shandwicks isn't taking any more bookings but, they're keeping a few tables back for walk-ups which seems a bit odd.

[WeeRussell]

Agree Mr Brown’s boys was a really good watch and, like PB, didn’t half her my juices flowing for the euros.

There can’t be many successful football managers that come across as nice as Craig Brown.

[Hibernian Verse]

I'm going with The Spaceman off here. He's the "group leader", so does anyone know if I need to take formal ID as well or is it just him?

[Billy Whizz]

Heard 30,000 train tickets sold Scotland to London for next weekend

[Smartie]

Agree Mr Brown’s boys was a really good watch and, like PB, didn’t half her my juices flowing for the euros.

There can’t be many successful football managers that come across as nice as Craig Brown.

A couple of my mates really can’t stand Craig Brown.

I find it weird - as you say, seems like a great guy and he had a good record as Scotland coach.

It was a brilliant documentary and really got me in the mood for the Euros.

[Eyrie]

Heard 30,000 train tickets sold Scotland to London for next weekend

I can't get my head round that.

We're still under some restrictions for Covid and a lot of people haven't been vaccinated yet, so why would anyone want to travel to another country to watch the game on TV with a crowd of strangers?

[B.H.F.C]

I can't get my head round that.

We're still under some restrictions for Covid and a lot of people haven't been vaccinated yet, so why would anyone want to travel to another country to watch the game on TV with a crowd of strangers?

Chance to get away with your mates for the first time in however long. All within the current restrictions. Although I do expect the politicians will all be rushing to tell football fans they shouldn’t be doing it (despite it being them that is allowing it).

[Andy74]

I can't get my head round that.

We're still under some restrictions for Covid and a lot of people haven't been vaccinated yet, so why would anyone want to travel to another country to watch the game on TV with a crowd of strangers?

You can go to London for any reason you like, why not football?

[The Spaceman]

Going to the game tomorrow with Hibernian Verse.

Absolutely buzzing.

[WeeRussell]

A couple of my mates really can’t stand Craig Brown.

I find it weird - as you say, seems like a great guy and he had a good record as Scotland coach.

It was a brilliant documentary and really got me in the mood for the Euros.

Yeah that is strange. I could get people arguing that he wasn’t such a great coach or some might say was “too nice” if anything… but definitely seems a genuinely good guy, and those that have worked close to him all seem to say that as well.

Saying that, I think steve Clarke seems like a decent guy too and I imagine plenty of people don’t like him either 😁

[Stuart93]

I can't get my head round that.

We're still under some restrictions for Covid and a lot of people haven't been vaccinated yet, so why would anyone want to travel to another country to watch the game on TV with a crowd of strangers?

I’m travelling and booked into a pub in London with my mates to watch the game. Can’t wait.

[AugustaHibs]

I can't get my head round that.

We're still under some restrictions for Covid and a lot of people haven't been vaccinated yet, so why would anyone want to travel to another country to watch the game on TV with a crowd of strangers?


30k and more have managed to get there head round it. Live and let live 🍺👍🏻

[cabbageandribs1875]

gets yi in the mood a bit :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=locUygU_L3c

[majorhibs]

Yeah that is strange. I could get people arguing that he wasn’t such a great coach or some might say was “too nice” if anything… but definitely seems a genuinely good guy, and those that have worked close to him all seem to say that as well.

Saying that, I think steve Clarke seems like a decent guy too and I imagine plenty of people don’t like him either 😁

He didn’t like Keith Wright for whatever his daft own wee reasoning musta been, we all saw him at a midweek away tae Killie jaunt when Keith was THE form striker, on the way in, & that was all any of us wanted to talk about. Fair enough at the time he was only Roxburgh’s assistant, but Craig Brown was just so dismissive of our main man then, I reckon it wouldnae have been just me who couldn’t take to him after that.

[hibee-boys]

I can't get my head round that.

We're still under some restrictions for Covid and a lot of people haven't been vaccinated yet, so why would anyone want to travel to another country to watch the game on TV with a crowd of strangers?

Heading down with 5 mates for a long weekend, it was booked the same night we qualified. We’ve all been vaccinated, at least one dose, the vast majority of the population who are at serious risk have been vaccinated, time to move on. Those who’ve chosen not to be vaccinated are doing of their own free will, I respect that, but I’ll not be worrying about them.

[JimBHibees]

Two brilliant videos to get us in the mood for this afternoon and the Euros

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0HerNnMqFdA


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ONl4k1EtyUU

Come on Scotland

:saltireflag:saltireflag

[Rumble de Thump]

What's the point of going to London to watch the game in a pub when you can watch the game in your local and save yourself a lot of money?

[Since90+2]

What's the point of going to London to watch the game in a pub when you can watch the game in your local and save yourself a lot of money?

Probably a change of scenery, the trip on the way down few drinks on the train. I'd not do it myself but I can see why some might just to get away for a day or two.

[JimBHibees]

Probably a change of scenery, the trip on the way down few drinks on the train. I'd not do it myself but I can see why some might just to get away for a day or two.

Yep not going myself but my son and a few of his mates are going and they just want to be part of a tournament and trip away even though they have no tickets or any likelihood of them.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Probably a change of scenery, the trip on the way down few drinks on the train. I'd not do it myself but I can see why some might just to get away for a day or two.

It's meant to be no drink allowed on the trains, they could struggle to maintain that rule.

[Moulin Yarns]

Jacob Rees-Mogg supporting Scotland on Friday :greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

https://news.stv.tv/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-draws-scotland-in-euro-2020-sweepstake?top

[He's here!]

Probably a change of scenery, the trip on the way down few drinks on the train. I'd not do it myself but I can see why some might just to get away for a day or two.

It's not just some, it's thousands. Personally I can't see why anyone without a ticket for the game would make the trip to London under the current restrictions. No alcohol on the trains, no fan zones and the potential to fan the Covid flames by gathering in large numbers (p***ing a lot of folk off in the process). Not exactly the trip of a lifetime.

[Moulin Yarns]

I saw this on twitter for all you that fancy a flutter


🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Fancy Scotland for an upset? Promo code EPS120 gets you 120/1 on Scotland to beat England ⚽


William Hills

[660]

Nice to see the huns are apoplectic with rage that Scotland fans are travelling to London.

[JXM73]

I saw this on twitter for all you that fancy a flutter


🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Fancy Scotland for an upset? Promo code EPS120 gets you 120/1 on Scotland to beat England ⚽


William Hills

Why have they shortened the odds?

[Since90+2]

It's not just some, it's thousands. Personally I can't see why anyone without a ticket for the game would make the trip to London under the current restrictions. No alcohol on the trains, no fan zones and the potential to fan the Covid flames by gathering in large numbers (p***ing a lot of folk off in the process). Not exactly the trip of a lifetime.

There's alcohol on the trains. Lots of it.

[.Sean.]

I can't get my head round that.

We're still under some restrictions for Covid and a lot of people haven't been vaccinated yet, so why would anyone want to travel to another country to watch the game on TV with a crowd of strangers?
Quite easy to get head the head round it, the world needs to get back to normal and people are no longer accepting the brainwashing anymore after a year of restrictions. High time we get back to some semblance of normality. Covid isn’t going anywhere so adapt, deal with it and live your life.

[Moulin Yarns]

Quite easy to get head the head round it, the world needs to get back to normal and people are no longer accepting the brainwashing anymore after a year of restrictions. High time we get back to some semblance of normality. Covid isn’t going anywhere so adapt, deal with it and live your life.

Brainwashing or scientific advice?


Adapt to Covid-19, deal with it, or suffer the consequences of your, and others actions?

[RoscoHibby]

Quite easy to get head the head round it, the world needs to get back to normal and people are no longer accepting the brainwashing anymore after a year of restrictions. High time we get back to some semblance of normality. Covid isn’t going anywhere so adapt, deal with it and live your life.


Well said, from the majority I’ve read on here, they need to lay off watching the BBC, do some reading of your own on the subject and start questioning the ‘logic’ that’s been applied for the last however many months...

[Dalianwanda]

Well said, from the majority I’ve read on here, they need to lay off watching the BBC, do some reading of your own on the subject and start questioning the ‘logic’ that’s been applied for the last however many months...

Here we go again.....No one knows for sure what to do or whats for the best...So this doing 'reading of your own' 'research' or what ever you want to call it is just pretty patronising..Nothings proven till its proven. Saying that, folk arent banned from travelling to England so I dont see the problem with fans heading down for the craic.

[Mr Grieves]

Well said, from the majority I’ve read on here, they need to lay off watching the BBC, do some reading of your own on the subject and start questioning the ‘logic’ that’s been applied for the last however many months...

What do you recommend, I could do with a laugh.

[hibsbollah]

What do you recommend, I could do with a laugh.

Get your information from faceless people on the internet rather than qualified scientists :agree:

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Great to see all the Scotland fans heading down to Wembley. Delighted for all the long suffering fans who've followed the national team for years to get a wee trip to see Scotland at a major tournament.

I know a few guys who are in London, don't have tickets but are heading down for the party atmosphere and why not. Hope they have a great time and are all celebrating tomorrow night.

[RoscoHibby]

Here we go again.....No one knows for sure what to do or whats for the best...So this doing 'reading of your own' 'research' or what ever you want to call it is just pretty patronising..Nothings proven till its proven. Saying that, folk arent banned from travelling to England so I dont see the problem with fans heading down for the craic.

I agree it’s the proverbial fckin minefield out there with an unparalleled level of censorship, wind and pish. A good place to start is reading the Fauci emails, which are what they are and had been requested under the freedom of information act. If you only read n watch uk MSM, you may not know what these are, but there are countless red flags contained within there...

One interesting fact though. All the covid vaccines are only allowed to be administered in ‘emergency use only’ and are under clinical trial until Dec ‘22 to April ‘23, depending on which ‘variant’ of those you’ve had..that is a fact.

Another is that on average in the UK over the past 10yrs, approx 620k people die in a year, about 1500 a day...our government now only publicise ‘cases’ and ‘deaths within 28days of a positive covid test’ does that sound relevant to you? When same government put out adverts saying ‘1 in 3 people who have covid don’t know they have it’ doesn’t sound like a deadly killer worth wrecking the whole economy and peoples lives over...

Im not an anti-Vaxxer or conspiracy theorist, I work in IT n have all my days where logic, reason and problem solving rule the day. I’ve seen none of that through this whole thing, which has made me question things and try find things out myself.

So hope the tartan army have an absolute ball, wish I was down there with them!

[Dalianwanda]

I agree it’s the proverbial fckin minefield out there with an unparalleled level of censorship, wind and pish. A good place to start is reading the Fauci emails, which are what they are and had been requested under the freedom of information act. If you only read n watch uk MSM, you may not know what these are, but there are countless red flags contained within there...

One interesting fact though. All the covid vaccines are only allowed to be administered in ‘emergency use only’ and are under clinical trial until Dec ‘22 to April ‘23, depending on which ‘variant’ of those you’ve had..that is a fact.

Another is that on average in the UK over the past 10yrs, approx 620k people die in a year, about 1500 a day...our government now only publicise ‘cases’ and ‘deaths within 28days of a positive covid test’ does that sound relevant to you? When same government put out adverts saying ‘1 in 3 people who have covid don’t know they have it’ doesn’t sound like a deadly killer worth wrecking the whole economy and peoples lives over...

Im not an anti-Vaxxer or conspiracy theorist, I work in IT n have all my days where logic, reason and problem solving rule the day. I’ve seen none of that through this whole thing, which has made me question things and try find things out myself.

So hope the tartan army have an absolute ball, wish I was down there with them!
tbh i don’t trust government (i’m in ireland they flip & flop between backing ‘the science’ and ignoring it when suits. I also don’t trust the scientific advisors who’s advice on what safe and what’s not doesn’t seem to add up.

I’ve had a look at some of his emails I’ve had a look at some videos sent by both sides. I’ve tried enough untested drugs that a vaccine isn’t going to frighten me. I’m on immune suppressants so who knows what difference it has made. But i want to get home and at the time thought it would be the only way.

Saying that it should totally be an individuals choice what goes in or comes out of their body.

And i hope the TA has a ball, has something to celebrate and comes back safe

[blackpoolhibs]

Just read on twitter that Tierney is out for tomorrow, hope it's bollox. :confused:

[Dalianwanda]

Just read on twitter that Tierney is out for tomorrow, hope it's bollox. :confused:

last i read he was in..if he does play hope he’s 100%

[ekhibee]

I'd more or less accepeted that England will very likely beat us tomorrow but after hearing Ferdinand's "we'll beat them by at least 2 goals" on MOTD I hope we stuff them. A winning goal in the last minute would do nicely as well mind you.

[The dalmeny]

Nice to see the huns are apoplectic with rage that Scotland fans are travelling to London.

im sick of these #####

[Lancs Harp]

Id wish you luck for tomorrow fellas but you know how it is. Enjoy your day anyway.

:flag:

[Stonewall]

This thread is embarrassing.

[JimBHibees]

Just read on twitter that Tierney is out for tomorrow, hope it's bollox. :confused:

Confirmed by Clarke fit and available how true that is we will see tomorrow

[1875Sean]

Coverage below for tomorrow, think I will be tuning into itv

ITV

Presenter Mark Pougatch

Commentary Sam Matterface, Lee Dixon & Ally McCoist

Pundit Graeme Souness, Gary Neville, Roy Keane Ian Wright Scott Brown

STV

Presenter Raman Bhardwaj

Commentary Rory Hamilton & Kevin Gallagher

Pundits David Moyes, Kenny McLean, John Collins

[oneone73]

Coverage below for tomorrow, think I will be tuning into itv

ITV

Presenter Mark Pougatch

Commentary Sam Matterface, Lee Dixon & Ally McCoist

Pundit Graeme Souness, Gary Neville, Roy Keane Ian Wright Scott Brown

STV

Presenter Raman Bhardwaj

Commentary Rory Hamilton & Kevin Gallagher

Pundits David Moyes, Kenny McLean, John Collins
STV for me

[Brightside]

Quite easy to get head the head round it, the world needs to get back to normal and people are no longer accepting the brainwashing anymore after a year of restrictions. High time we get back to some semblance of normality. Covid isn’t going anywhere so adapt, deal with it and live your life.

The world will get back to normal. Just not yet.

[Argylehibby]

Coverage below for tomorrow, think I will be tuning into itv

ITV

Presenter Mark Pougatch

Commentary Sam Matterface, Lee Dixon & Ally McCoist

Pundit Graeme Souness, Gary Neville, Roy Keane Ian Wright Scott Brown

STV

Presenter Raman Bhardwaj

Commentary Rory Hamilton & Kevin Gallagher

Pundits David Moyes, Kenny McLean, John Collins

Can't stand Raman Bhardwaj after his interview with Rod Petrie after the cup final where he tried desperately to get Rod to condemn the Hibs fans. Showed his colours in the interview with Steven Gerard following their league win last season.

[SteveHFC]

Coverage below for tomorrow, think I will be tuning into itv

ITV

Presenter Mark Pougatch

Commentary Sam Matterface, Lee Dixon & Ally McCoist

Pundit Graeme Souness, Gary Neville, Roy Keane Ian Wright Scott Brown

STV

Presenter Raman Bhardwaj

Commentary Rory Hamilton & Kevin Gallagher

Pundits David Moyes, Kenny McLean, John Collins

ITV for me

[bingo70]

The world will get back to normal. Just not yet.

The best part of a year and a half is a long enough wait for me.

IMO it’s sustainable any more, I’m delighted to see people out enjoying themselves again.

I know the government are saying another month or two but I feel there’s an inevitability about another variant continually coming out and putting it off for a another few weeks at a time…..

Other countries are opening up much quicker than we are and our governments have both been proven to be hopeless at dealing with it.

More than happy for people to use common sense instead of trusting these ********s in government.

[ian cruise]

Coverage below for tomorrow, think I will be tuning into itv

ITV

Presenter Mark Pougatch

Commentary Sam Matterface, Lee Dixon & Ally McCoist

Pundit Graeme Souness, Gary Neville, Roy Keane Ian Wright Scott Brown

STV

Presenter Raman Bhardwaj

Commentary Rory Hamilton & Kevin Gallagher

Pundits David Moyes, Kenny McLean, John Collins

If Scotland win I'll definitely have BBC on post match to hear Ian Wright's thoughts in the result.

[theonlywayisup]

Coverage below for tomorrow, think I will be tuning into itv

ITV

Presenter Mark Pougatch

Commentary Sam Matterface, Lee Dixon & Ally McCoist

Pundit Graeme Souness, Gary Neville, Roy Keane Ian Wright Scott Brown

STV

Presenter Raman Bhardwaj

Commentary Rory Hamilton & Kevin Gallagher

Pundits David Moyes, Kenny McLean, John Collins

You just know that Roy Keane is only there to wind up the losing team. If Scotland lose,I expect Neville and Wright to be patronising with their criticism of Scotland. Whereas Keane with be pretty direct with his comments.

If Scotland do win, then he'll go for the English jugular.

Let's hope it's the latter.

[Col2]

If Scotland win I'll definitely have BBC on post match to hear Ian Wright's thoughts in the result.

They did zero chance of Scotland winning. Absolutely zero.

[JimBHibees]

If Scotland win I'll definitely have BBC on post match to hear Ian Wright's thoughts in the result.

Wright is on itv.

[JimBHibees]

They did zero chance of Scotland winning. Absolutely zero.

Definitely have a chance, England should win but defensively they aren't great and every chance we can score.

[Bristolhibby]

Coverage below for tomorrow, think I will be tuning into itv

ITV

Presenter Mark Pougatch

Commentary Sam Matterface, Lee Dixon & Ally McCoist

Pundit Graeme Souness, Gary Neville, Roy Keane Ian Wright Scott Brown

STV

Presenter Raman Bhardwaj

Commentary Rory Hamilton & Kevin Gallagher

Pundits David Moyes, Kenny McLean, John Collins

Can you get STV on Sky in England?

J

[ian cruise]

Wright is on itv.

Ah, I messed that one up!

[JimBHibees]

Can you get STV on Sky in England?

J

I would assume so do they not have all the itv regional channels which assume would include stv.

[Bristolhibby]

They did zero chance of Scotland winning. Absolutely zero.

I like your negativity but even by a the bookies logic there is a chance. Even at 10/1, there’s a 1 in 10 chance.

We have to hope that this evening is that 1 in 10.

I mean, I’ve seen us play England 6 times and we have won once. Not quite 10/1, but close. The games I’ve been at since travelling watching Scotland it’s played three lost 2 drawn 1.

Remember, even a draw is a result. Draw/Scotland is 5/2. We are definitely in that territory.

J

[Col2]

I like your negativity but even by a the bookies logic there is a chance. Even at 10/1, there’s a 1 in 10 chance.

We have to hope that this evening is that 1 in 10.

I mean, I’ve seen us play England 6 times and we have won once. Not quite 10/1, but close. The games I’ve been at since travelling watching Scotland it’s played three lost 2 drawn 1.

Remember, even a draw is a result. Draw/Scotland is 5/2. We are definitely in that territory.

J

I agree a draw is possible but we will not go to Wembley and win. It would be a monumental shock (like Macedonia beating Germany a month or so ago in Germany).

I would love nothing more than a win, it would be the best feeling, but our optimism seems to be on the attacking threat of Robertson and having Tierney back and we have 20k TA decended on London. All the noises have come from our camp talking us up. Clarke will play cagey and we won’t know what to do when a goal down, I think England will take 3 of us tonight. I do hope I am wrong but still flat from Monday’s missed opportunity (wrong starting 11, defensive approach and basic mistakes including not converting)

[1875Sean]

Can you get STV on Sky in England?

J

Think you may do, I know in Scotland you can get itv and different regions of bbc etc so would think you have a chance getting stv if you look, usually it’s the channels just before the radio stations

[ekhibee]

I agree a draw is possible but we will not go to Wembley and win. It would be a monumental shock (like Macedonia beating Germany a month or so ago in Germany).

I would love nothing more than a win, it would be the best feeling, but our optimism seems to be on the attacking threat of Robertson and having Tierney back and we have 20k TA decended on London. All the noises have come from our camp talking us up. Clarke will play cagey and we won’t know what to do when a goal down, I think England will take 3 of us tonight. I do hope I am wrong but still flat from Monday’s missed opportunity (wrong starting 11, defensive approach and basic mistakes including not converting)

We didnt take the couple of chances we had and they did, including a freak 2nd goal. Scotland played alright IMO. You've already got us beat tonight before a ball's even been kicked.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I'd more or less accepeted that England will very likely beat us tomorrow but after hearing Ferdinand's "we'll beat them by at least 2 goals" on MOTD I hope we stuff them. A winning goal in the last minute would do nicely as well mind you.

Unfortunately I think he'll end up being correct. Still looking forward to a good day out though.

[BILLYHIBS]

Just read that if McAllister had scored the pen at Wembley England had Gazza’s number ready to take him off

Uri Geller has a lot to answer for 😃

BBC Sport

C’mon Scotland!

[JohnMcM]

Just read that if McAllister had scored the pen at Wembley England had Gazza’s number ready to take him off

Uri Geller has a lot to answer for 😃

BBC Sport

C’mon Scotland!

Seems a long time since we last saw the Gazza goal on BBC tv,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, about 30 minutes now:greengrin

[marinello59]

I agree a draw is possible but we will not go to Wembley and win. It would be a monumental shock (like Macedonia beating Germany a month or so ago in Germany).

I would love nothing more than a win, it would be the best feeling, but our optimism seems to be on the attacking threat of Robertson and having Tierney back and we have 20k TA decended on London. All the noises have come from our camp talking us up. Clarke will play cagey and we won’t know what to do when a goal down, I think England will take 3 of us tonight. I do hope I am wrong but still flat from Monday’s missed opportunity (wrong starting 11, defensive approach and basic mistakes including not converting)

I don’t think it would be that big a shock if we win. This is a special fixture, the England players are just as capable of having their game diminished by the emotion of the occasion as anybody else. I honestly think we can do this.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

For gods sake, Jane Dougall reporting on the BBC news has just suggested that Scots fans may just have 'a chip on the old shoulder'

Deary ****in me

[Bristolhibby]

Seems a long time since we last saw the Gazza goal on BBC tv,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, about 30 minutes now:greengrin

Did he score against Scotland?

J

[Iain G]

Getting myself in the mood for tonight by listening to Del Amitri :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

I don’t think it would be that big a shock if we win. This is a special fixture, the England players are just as capable of having their game diminished by the emotion of the occasion as anybody else. I honestly think we can do this.

Really? :confused:

I think this is the foregoniest of extremely foregone conclusions. I'd be absolutely stunned if we got a draw.

[Gordy M]

I may have this wrong, but no matter the results this eve we will still have 3rd to play for on Tuesday? Obv unless we get scudded so goal diff is the factor.

[Sir David Gray]

Really? :confused:

I think this is the foregoniest of extremely foregone conclusions. I'd be absolutely stunned if we got a draw.

:agree: We're 12/1 with some bookies tonight which must be one of the longest match odds at the tournament.

The bookies are rarely wrong.

I'll still be watching and hoping though!

[Sir David Gray]

I may have this wrong, but no matter the results this eve we will still have 3rd to play for on Tuesday? Obv unless we get scudded so goal diff is the factor.

The first factor is head to head so we won't be eliminated tonight regardless of the result.


A defeat will make it almost impossible to qualify though.

[Sylar]

I'm in the doom-monger camp. I honestly don't see us laying a glove on them.

I hope Clarke's learned his lessons from the Czech game and doesn't set up to prevent them scoring. O'Donnell can't possibly start tonight - Sterling will destroy him. We need positivity in that midfield, and he needs to realise what worked and what didn't on Monday - get Gilmour or Turnbull (or both!) into the lineup, start Forrest and try and be ambitious.

If he starts with O'Donnell, McGregor, Dykes and leaves the creative/threatening players on the bench to 'see how it goes in the early running', we'll lose by 3 or 4 IMO.

I'd love to look like a negative nelly, with this being quoted back at me en masse at 10pm tonight.

[makaveli1875]

Were not going through . Scotland dont do knockout stages . Does anyone seriously think we will beat Croatia ?

[Mon Dieu4]

Were not going through . Scotland dont do knockout stages . Does anyone seriously think we will beat Croatia ?

Croatia have never beat Scotland and we have already beaten a better team than they currently have

[Smartie]

I don't think I've ever gone into a game, either as a Hibs fan or as a Scotland fan, less confident of being able to get something from a game.

That's a wee bit harsh on this Scotland squad, which I think has significantly more quality in it that at any point over the past 20 odd years but it's just the combination of several other factors - the attacking strength of the opposition, the fact that they are at home, the fact that their manager is less likely to have them complacent, the fact that our weaknesses lie in areas where we can be picked off by their stronger players and the likelihood that we'll go with a gameplan that plays to our weaknesses rather than our strengths.

I also think we've put ourselves in a tricky situation courtesy of our poor result on Monday - a better result there and this could almost have been "free hit" territory (even though I know that will irk many, it's an England Scotland game FFS) which would have allowed our players to approach it with little pressure.

One positive, and I know it doesn't feel like it ahead of an important game - at worst, the players are gaining invaluable experience here. This is a young and inexperienced squad with years and years ahead of them and I think they'll end up stronger for the experience, whatever that experience turns out to be - a pumping, a glorious defeat, an unlikely result etc.

[Gordy M]

The first factor is head to head so we won't be eliminated tonight regardless of the result.


A defeat will make it almost impossible to qualify though.

So if Croatia beat the CR and we beat Cro. England win all their games, the 3 others will all be on 3 points, surely have a chance then? Even though we are beat this eve? Again dependent on goals i assume?

[makaveli1875]

Croatia have never beat Scotland and we have already beaten a better team than they currently have

Never knew that , oh well a glimmer of hope . still they appear to have a better squad than us and i fully expect Modric to roll back the years and tear us for arsepaper

[marinello59]

:agree: We're 12/1 with some bookies tonight which must be ome of the longest match odds at the tournament.

The bookies are rarely wrong.

I'll still be watching and hoping though!

The bookies odds reflect the market. With slightly more punters down there backing England the odds are not going to be a true reflection of our chances. I’m gonna stick a fiver on us. :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

I may have this wrong, but no matter the results this eve we will still have 3rd to play for on Tuesday? Obv unless we get scudded so goal diff is the factor.

Only if 3 points can get you one of 4, best 3rd place finishes
I presume points then goal difference will determine this
If we were to lose by 1-0 v England and win 1-0 v Croatia, we'd still be on -2 goals

[JeMeSouviens]

I don't think I've ever gone into a game, either as a Hibs fan or as a Scotland fan, less confident of being able to get something from a game.

That's a wee bit harsh on this Scotland squad, which I think has significantly more quality in it that at any point over the past 20 odd years but it's just the combination of several other factors - the attacking strength of the opposition, the fact that they are at home, the fact that their manager is less likely to have them complacent, the fact that our weaknesses lie in areas where we can be picked off by their stronger players and the likelihood that we'll go with a gameplan that plays to our weaknesses rather than our strengths.

I also think we've put ourselves in a tricky situation courtesy of our poor result on Monday - a better result there and this could almost have been "free hit" territory (even though I know that will irk many, it's an England Scotland game FFS) which would have allowed our players to approach it with little pressure.

One positive, and I know it doesn't feel like it ahead of an important game - at worst, the players are gaining invaluable experience here. This is a young and inexperienced squad with years and years ahead of them and I think they'll end up stronger for the experience, whatever that experience turns out to be - a pumping, a glorious defeat, an unlikely result etc.


If we win tonight, it would be the unlikeliest Hibs/Scotland upside surprise since Calderwood's 0-3 at Ibrox. (That did really happen, right? :confused:)

[marinello59]

Really? :confused:

I think this is the foregoniest of extremely foregone conclusions. I'd be absolutely stunned if we got a draw.
I would have answered this sooner but I was too busy dressing like an extra from Braveheart. :greengrin
A draw is doable. :greengrin

[Gordy M]

Only if 3 points can get you one of 4, best 3rd place finishes
I presume points then goal difference will determine this
If we were to lose by 1-0 v England and win 1-0 v Croatia, we'd still be on -2 goals

Yeh i get that, was just thinking if Croatia beat the CR, all the teams apart from.England could end up on 3 points.

[Rumble de Thump]

England should have beat us the last time we played them when we had a worse team, and they were lucky to scrape a draw.

[Sir David Gray]

So if Croatia beat the CR and we beat Cro. England win all their games, the 3 others will all be on 3 points, surely have a chance then? Even though we are beat this eve? Again dependent on goals i assume?

If we manage to get 3rd after losing tonight then we are then competing against the other 5 nations who also finish 3rd in trying to have a better record than at least 2 of them.

At Euro 2016, 3 points and 0 goal difference was enough for 2 of the 4 3rd placed teams to qualify (including the eventual winners Portugal). The other 2 sides to qualify from 3rd place had 4 points.

[Hibby70]

So we really want Czechia to hammer Croatia now.

[Gordy M]

If we manage to get 3rd after losing tonight then we are then competing against the other 5 nations who also finish 3rd in trying to have a better record than at least 2 of them.

At Euro 2016, 3 points and 0 goal difference was enough for 2 of the 4 3rd placed teams to qualify (including the eventual winners Portugal). The other 2 sides to qualify from 3rd place had 4 points.

Yeh but all the treams could finish on three points apart from England, so we want Coatia to win one nil this eve, then England to thump the Czechs and us to beat Croatia 😀😀

[JimBHibees]

For gods sake, Jane Dougall reporting on the BBC news has just suggested that Scots fans may just have 'a chip on the old shoulder'

Deary ****in me

Bizarre thing for a Scot to come out with

[Smartie]

So we really want Czechia to hammer Croatia now.

I'm not really sure what we want.

My mate was trying to explain the ramifications of what finishing 1st, 2nd etc would mean and I got a bit lost.

It appears that finishing 1st would probably bring about the worst draw in the next round, so I could see the teams who have done well in their first games trying to fall over in their 3rd game and not top the group.

Probably not a great situation if we end up wanting/ needing England to pick up a result against the Czechs.

Whatever happens we're going to need to beat Croatia and need a slice of luck in all sorts of places, like Wembley tonight.

[Since90+2]

England should have beat us the last time we played them when we had a worse team, and they were lucky to scrape a draw.

The England team is massively improved since that game.

[HibbyAndy]

Sweden have a player call Daniel sannnnn :tee hee::tee hee:

[nonshinyfinish]

I'm not really sure what we want.

My mate was trying to explain the ramifications of what finishing 1st, 2nd etc would mean and I got a bit lost.

It appears that finishing 1st would probably bring about the worst draw in the next round, so I could see the teams who have done well in their first games trying to fall over in their 3rd game and not top the group.

Probably not a great situation if we end up wanting/ needing England to pick up a result against the Czechs.

Whatever happens we're going to need to beat Croatia and need a slice of luck in all sorts of places, like Wembley tonight.

1st plays 2nd from the group of death, so almost certainly one of France/Germany/Portugal.

2nd plays 2nd from Spain's group, so more chance of a favourable draw vs Poland/Slovakia/Sweden.

3rd has way too many possibilities to worry about, because it depends which other groups the 3rd-placed qualifiers come from.

[Billy Whizz]

1st plays 2nd from the group of death, so almost certainly one of France/Germany/Portugal.

2nd plays 2nd from Spain's group, so more chance of a favourable draw vs Poland/Slovakia/Sweden.

3rd has way too many possibilities to worry about, because it depends which other groups the 3rd-placed qualifiers come from.

The teams that finish 3rd, would play their games at Hampden, Budapest or Seville

[Rumble de Thump]

The England team is massively improved since that game.

Looking at the lineups, I would say it's the Scotland team that's improved more than the England one.

[HibbyAndy]

Sweden have a player call Daniel sannnnn :tee hee::tee hee:

Even Mica Richards said he kept thinking about Karate kid :hilarious:hilarious:hilarious

[Iain G]

Even Mica Richards said he kept thinking about Karate kid :hilarious:hilarious:hilarious

He is really starting to annoy me...

[Billy Whizz]

Chucking it down in London today, and to rain throughout the game, great Scottish conditions

[Iain G]

Chucking it down in London today, and to rain throughout the game, great Scottish conditions

It's humid though!

[marinello59]

Any word on the team yet? Could Nisbet start tonight?

[Billy Whizz]

Any word on the team yet? Could Nisbet start tonight?

Won’t get the team until around 6.45pm, appear not to have any leaks which is good

[Smartie]

Won’t get the team until around 6.45pm, appear not to have any leaks which is good

I've had 3 or 4 different leaked teams sent to me already.

One of them will probably be right, but that's somebody guessing and getting it right rather than anything actually having had anything leaked.

[Lancs Harp]

Chucking it down in London today, and to rain throughout the game, great Scottish conditions

Manchester conditions them :wink:

[Just_Jimmy]

Manchester conditions them :wink:bloody is mate, rains here more than at home.



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[blackpoolhibs]

He is really starting to annoy me...

Me too, all he does is laugh very loudly, a one trick pony. :rolleyes:

[hibsbollah]

Me too, all he does is laugh very loudly, a one trick pony. :rolleyes:

VERY Loudly. When him and Jamie Carragher get talking it’s actually ridiculous, it’s like they’ve got something wrong with them.

[calumhibee1]

Hope anyone that is down there has a great time and stays safe. Can’t complain at anyone taking that opportunity. Been great seeing the videos of folk enjoying themselves:

That being said.. 2-0 England unfortunately

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/201442478_3070550869886614_8828365391251180017_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=UOlTBXpPtLsAX8S63kT&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=c9600b0b43214b3309e10390e227e123&oe=60D1EE13

[marinello59]

I would have answered this sooner but I was too busy dressing like an extra from Braveheart. :greengrin
A draw is doable. :greengrin

That M59 speaks some utter ***** on here……but a draw was doable. :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

That M59 speaks some utter ***** on here……but a draw was doable. :greengrin

I am stunned! Not sure whether it’s the result or the m59 prediction tbh :wink:

[marinello59]

I am stunned! Not sure whether it’s the result or the m59 prediction tbh :wink:

:greengrin

[1875Sean]

Coverage below for tomorrow, think I will be tuning into itv

ITV

Presenter Mark Pougatch

Commentary Sam Matterface, Lee Dixon & Ally McCoist

Pundit Graeme Sounesse, Gary Neville, Roy Keane Ian Wright Scott Brown

STV

Presenter Raman Bhardwaj

Commentary Rory Hamilton & Kevin Gallagher

Pundits David Moyes, Kenny McLean, John Collins

Got to say saying Ian wrights gave at full time make it worth while tuning into ITV, also Sounesse was brilliant

[number9dream]

1st plays 2nd from the group of death, so almost certainly one of France/Germany/Portugal.

2nd plays 2nd from Spain's group, so more chance of a favourable draw vs Poland/Slovakia/Sweden.

3rd has way too many possibilities to worry about, because it depends which other groups the 3rd-placed qualifiers come from.

First and foremost we need to find a way to score and beat Croatia, which is going to be really tough.

The only way to finish second is if the Czechs beat England and we make up three in goal difference; ie 2-0, 2-0. Highly unlikely.
Even if England win 10-0 and we win, we can't overtake Czechs since it goes on head-to-head.

If we manage to get to four points for third place, then we need to be better than two other nations in the same position.
Switzerland not winning today would be a big help and we want Finland to lose or Denmark to beat Russia.
Obviously there are loads more permutations... But let's just focus on getting a goal - or two - at Hampden on Tuesday.

[hibsbollah]

First and foremost we need to find a way to score and beat Croatia, which is going to be really tough.

The only way to finish second is if the Czechs beat England and we make up three in goal difference; ie 2-0, 2-0. Highly unlikely.
Even if England win 10-0 and we win, we can't overtake Czechs since it goes on head-to-head.

If we manage to get to four points for third place, then we need to be better than two other nations in the same position.
Switzerland not winning today would be a big help and we want Finland to lose or Denmark to beat Russia.
Obviously there are loads more permutations... But let's just focus on getting a goal - or two - at Hampden on Tuesday.

It also bears repeating that there’s no obvious advantage to finishing 1st over 2nd or 3rd in our group. There’s still multiple permutations that 3rd could give an ‘easier’ draw than 2nd or 1st. (‘Easy’ in inverted commas because we’ll be underdogs against virtually every other team). It’s almost best to forget who’s in what position in the group tables and concentrate on getting 4 points in the group stage and moving on from there.

[joe t]

If we beat Croatia and qualify in 3rd for next round there are 10 permutations for who Scotland meet in the last 16. Five of them mean playing the Netherlands in Budapest (already confirmed as group winners). So, withou5 predicting remaining group results, currently 50/50 chance that will be our tie, with five other being various teams either at hampden or in Copenhagen.

[hibeedonald]

First and foremost we need to find a way to score and beat Croatia, which is going to be really tough.

The only way to finish second is if the Czechs beat England and we make up three in goal difference; ie 2-0, 2-0. Highly unlikely.
Even if England win 10-0 and we win, we can't overtake Czechs since it goes on head-to-head.

If we manage to get to four points for third place, then we need to be better than two other nations in the same position.
Switzerland not winning today would be a big help and we want Finland to lose or Denmark to beat Russia.
Obviously there are loads more permutations... But let's just focus on getting a goal - or two - at Hampden on Tuesday.

I'm pretty sure goal difference is before head to head?

[Billy Whizz]

I'm pretty sure goal difference is before head to head?

Head to head before goal difference unfortunately

[hibeedonald]

Head to head before goal difference unfortunately

I googled it and numerous sources saying goal difference first. E.g. https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/euro-group-stages-decided-england-20797343

[nonshinyfinish]

I googled it and numerous sources saying goal difference first. E.g. https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/euro-group-stages-decided-england-20797343Yeah, lots of media sources have it that way round, but Uefa themselves say head to head comes first:

"If two or more teams in the same group are equal on points on completion of the final tournament group stage, the following criteria are applied, in the order given, to determine their rankings:

a. higher number of points obtained in the matches played among the teams in question
b. superior goal difference resulting from the matches played among the teams in question
c. higher number of goals scored in the matches played among the teams in question
d. if, after having applied criteria a) to c), teams still have an equal ranking, criteria a) to c) are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the remaining teams to determine their final rankings. If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria e) to i) apply in the order given to the two or more teams still equal
e. superior goal difference in all group matches
f. higher number of goals scored in all group matches
g. higher number of wins in all group matches
h. lower disciplinary points total based only on yellow and red cards received in all group matches (red card = 3 points, yellow card = 1 point, expulsion for two yellow cards in one match = 3 points)
i. position in the overall European Qualifiers rankings

If two teams which have the same number of points and the same number of goals scored and conceded play their last group match against each other and are still equal at the end of that match, their final rankings are determined by kicks from the penalty mark, provided that no other teams within the group have the same number of points on completion of all group matches."

(https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/news/026a-1286c3028f34-c072d2f81d9b-1000--who-needs-what-to-go-through/)

Also explains why North Macedonia are already out – if goal difference came first, they'd still have a mathematical chance.

[Billy Whizz]

I googled it and numerous sources saying goal difference first. E.g. https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/euro-group-stages-decided-england-20797343

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/news/026a-1286c3028f34-c072d2f81d9b-1000--who-needs-what-to-go-through/

It’s all here, 3rd placed teams towards the bottom

How the four best third-placed teams are decided

With reference to article 21.03, the results of the third-placed teams are compared based on their three group stage matches, according to the following criteria:

a. higher number of points
b. superior goal difference
c. higher number of goals scored
d. higher number of wins
e. lower disciplinary points total based only on yellow and red cards received in all group matches (red card = 3 points, yellow card = 1 point, expulsion for two yellow cards in one match = 3 points)
f. position in the overall European Qualifiers rankings

[Moulin Yarns]

The easiest way to understand it is to look at group B table. Russia and Finland are both on 3 points, but Russia on - 3 goal difference is above Finland on 0 goal difference because of the head to head.

[nonshinyfinish]

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/news/026a-1286c3028f34-c072d2f81d9b-1000--who-needs-what-to-go-through/

It’s all here, 3rd placed teams towards the bottom

How the four best third-placed teams are decided

With reference to article 21.03, the results of the third-placed teams are compared based on their three group stage matches, according to the following criteria:

a. higher number of points
b. superior goal difference
c. higher number of goals scored
d. higher number of wins
e. lower disciplinary points total based only on yellow and red cards received in all group matches (red card = 3 points, yellow card = 1 point, expulsion for two yellow cards in one match = 3 points)
f. position in the overall European Qualifiers rankingsThat's referring to comparing third places across different groups, where obviously there is no head to head.

(That is possibly how various newspapers have ended up with the wrong info for how the groups themselves are decided.)

[JimBHibees]

Were not going through . Scotland dont do knockout stages . Does anyone seriously think we will beat Croatia ?

Yes

[SteveHFC]

Were not going through . Scotland dont do knockout stages . Does anyone seriously think we will beat Croatia ?

Win and we're through.

[JOD]

Bad result tonight for us with Switzerland. To beat them we would have to win by 2 goals or score 4 goals and win by a goal. That's tough but it's the same for Croatia unless they score 2 goals.
A Wide open game in prospect.

[DH1875]

Win and we're through.

Not that simple I'm afraid.

[Billy Whizz]

Not that simple I'm afraid.

Things will hopefully become a bit clearer after tonight’s games

[nonshinyfinish]

Bad result tonight for us with Switzerland. To beat them we would have to win by 2 goals or score 4 goals and win by a goal. That's tough but it's the same for Croatia unless they score 2 goals.
A Wide open game in prospect.

Hopefully won't matter. For four points to be enough regardless of goal difference, we need at least two of these things to happen:

- One of Russia (vs Denmark) and Finland (vs Belgium) loses in group B
- Ukraine vs Austria is not a draw in group C
- Spain beat Slovakia, or neither of Spain and Poland (vs Sweden) win in group E
- Portugal lose (vs France) and Hungary get at most one point (vs Germany) in group F

(I may have missed other permutations that leave a third-placed team on three points or lower.)

[hibeedonald]

Thanks guys for clearing up the goal difference debate!

Hopefully results go our way today and we can go into tomorrow knowing a win will give us guaranteed qualification.

[Hibernian Verse]

Bad result tonight for us with Switzerland. To beat them we would have to win by 2 goals or score 4 goals and win by a goal. That's tough but it's the same for Croatia unless they score 2 goals.
A Wide open game in prospect.

Don't think that game mattered, we should be fine with 4 points as two teams will have 3. It was "pointed" out on another thread.

[Souter96Mac]

Gilmour has tested positive for covid, confirmed by the national team..oh dear

[Keyser Sauzee]

Gilmour has tested positive for covid, confirmed by the national team..oh dear

Couldn’t make it up.

[Hibernian Verse]

Sake.

[Col2]

Unbelievable. MOTM on Friday as well.

This could escalate to several other players.

Hope BG is ok. He must also be devastated

[flash]

How is that even possible?

[McSwanky]

Gilmour has tested positive for covid, confirmed by the national team..oh dear

Oh no, that's a blow. He was outstanding on Friday. Hope the lad is ok first and foremost though.

[Souter96Mac]

Unbelievable. MOTM on Friday as well.

This could escalate to several other players.

Hope BG is ok. He must also be devastated

People saying that Robertson posted on Instagram last night a photo of him, BG and McGinn.

This could turn ugly

[Keyser Sauzee]

There has to be more to come, I doubt it will just be one positive case. He was playing table tennis with McGinn and Robertson on his Instagram last night for example.

[Hibeesforever]

Players should have been vaccinated...ridiculous that they were not!

[Iain G]

Gilmour has tested positive for covid, confirmed by the national team..oh dear

I guess could also miss our next game if we get through?

Surely could get a re-test?

[Since90+2]

I guess could also miss our next game if we get through?

Surely could get a re-test?

He has to isolate for 10 days so it's very likely he's played his last game in the tournament.

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[Lendo]

You would assume there’s been a number of tests done to ensure it’s not a false positive. What’s ****ing blow!!

[MWHIBBIES]

McGinn and Robertson self isolating as well. Well some rumours on twitter anyway.

Think they will be as there is a video of them playing table tennis with Gilmour yesterday or something.

[JohnMcM]

FFS! Could anything more unlucky happen to us?

[Diclonius]

**** off.

[Keith_M]

Our chances of qualifying are going from slim to anorexic

[Sir David Gray]

Genuinely couldn't make this up.

I was thinking it might be alphabetical order that would eliminate us tomorrow but this is a more Scottish way.

[nonshinyfinish]

Anyone got a link to this table tennis picture/video? I'm clinging to the hope that they're outside or something. (Even though table tennis is crap outside if there's even a little bit of wind.)

[Keyser Sauzee]

Anyone got a link to this table tennis picture/video? I'm clinging to the hope that they're outside or something. (Even though table tennis is crap outside if there's even a little bit of wind.)

Not got a link but it was definitely indoors, I seen it last night.

[Ryan91]

Players should have been vaccinated...ridiculous that they were not!

Even if vaccinated, you can still get Covid

[Blaster]

McGinn and Robertson self isolating as well. Well some rumours on twitter anyway.

Think they will be as there is a video of them playing table tennis with Gilmour yesterday or something.

They were both training on a live clip on sky sports news 5 mins ago

[Sir David Gray]

Anyone got a link to this table tennis picture/video? I'm clinging to the hope that they're outside or something. (Even though table tennis is crap outside if there's even a little bit of wind.)

Apparently it was posted on Instagram last night but has now been deleted.

[ian cruise]

Players should have been vaccinated...ridiculous that they were not!

Even if they are vaccinated you can still catch coronavirus, it's not a live vaccine. It's just that your body has built up the ability to fight it better. So if Gilmour has been vaccinated he's likely to feel no ill effects but unfortunately he can pass it on to others hence the need to isolate.

[blackpoolhibs]

Thats England and their luck, none of them got near him at Wembley to catch it.

[DH1875]

McGinn and Robertson self isolating as well. Well some rumours on twitter anyway.

Think they will be as there is a video of them playing table tennis with Gilmour yesterday or something.

If that's true, we are ducked.

[Lendo]

There is a Scottish National Team parody account that’s saying McGinn and Robertson are self isolating. Seems to be a few people falling for it (me included).

[nonshinyfinish]

Thats England and their luck, none of them got near him at Wembley to catch it.

Nonsense, Mason Mount was in his pocket for 75 minutes so he must be out.

[DH1875]

Has the squad been been able to mix with others outwith the group or have they been together all this time. Wonder where he picked it up from.

[flash]

Has the squad been been able to mix with others outwith the group or have they been together all this time. Wonder where he picked it up from.

That's what I was wondering. Surely they have been in the bubble for long enough that he couldn't have come in already having it

[AgentDaleCooper]

All that needs to happen now is for us miss a pen in the 90th minute against Croatia at 0-0 and it will be the perfect scottish let down.

[Sir David Gray]

There is a Scottish National Team parody account that’s saying McGinn and Robertson are self isolating. Seems to be a few people falling for it (me included).

Me too - here it is.

https://twitter.com/ScotIandNTT/status/1406909064983068675?s=19

[PatHead]

Even if they are vaccinated you can still catch coronavirus, it's not a live vaccine. It's just that your body has built up the ability to fight it better. So if Gilmour has been vaccinated he's likely to feel no ill effects but unfortunately he can pass it on to others hence the need to isolate.

I have been double vaccinated but still managed to catch it. Really floored me for about 3 days though nothing like as bad as it would have had I not taken the vaccination.

It doesn't just go away once you have been vaccinated, just doesn't have the same impact.

Funny thing is I don't appear to have passed it on to anyone, including my wife.

[007]

Me too - here it is.

https://twitter.com/ScotIandNTT/status/1406909064983068675?s=19

Link not working for me.

[Billy Whizz]

Bbc stil reporting that only Gilmour is out

[flash]

Me too - here it is.

https://twitter.com/ScotIandNTT/status/1406909064983068675?s=19

Strange enough that someone takes the trouble to create an account like this, stranger still that they are such a dick.

[Scorrie]

Has the squad been been able to mix with others outwith the group or have they been together all this time. Wonder where he picked it up from.

We’re they not allowed a couple of days with their families by Clark just before the tournament started?

[Sylar]

If it's just Gilmour, while a blow, it's not the end of the world. If it ends up being Gilmour plus Robertson and McGinn (and possible others), I don't like our chances.

What a ****show.

[Sir David Gray]

Link not working for me.

The account's now been suspended.

[CloudSquall]

Well that's certainly adding an all new dimension to the definition of glorious failure..

[Hibs90]

It’s just Gilmour nobody else is self isolating